User talk:Textorus/Archive 1

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Dominickers (ethnic group), etc
Yup, that was the right place to message me! Welcome to Wikipedia. Cool article you wrote. Do you know you can nominate it to appear on "Did you know?" on the main page? Go to Template talk:Did you know. Let me know if you have any questions! --Fang Aili talk 13:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I worked on this a bit. I think it flows a bit better now. However there are a lot of "possibly"s and "maybe"s in this article. In reading it I am confused about what's fact and what's conjecture. You did a good job writing though; it's hard when you don't have concrete sources. --Fang Aili talk 14:33, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't wait too long with DYK--there's a 72 hr time limit.
 * Re talk pages, usually people will respond to your messages on your talk page, and vice-versa. --Fang Aili talk 00:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

More on Dominickers
I think it is important to give some more detail on the Indian ancestery even if the only documentation refers to one individual, as it is this mix that establishes the group as notable. Providing you can source the information I don't think it is a problem. I suggested dropping "Family historians" because this suggests original research which is against policy. I've reworded it - see what you think.

For the inline citation there is a quick reference here: Template_messages/Sources_of_articles/Citation_quick_reference

Good luck with it. Yomangani talk 02:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

If you are still having problems with inline citations, I've created a demo here: User:Yomangani/Sandbox/Dom. Look at the source and you'll see how to produce basic inline refs and how to reuse them. Let me know when you've finished with it or if you don't need it, and I'll delete it. Congratulations on the DYK by the way. Yomangani talk 00:50, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought you said you were stepping back for a while - you're hooked! :) Yomangani talk 00:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I know. This is awful, I've created a monster, it won't let go of me!  LOL  Textorus 02:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Taking it back
Short answer: no you can't.

Long answer: Removing a non-policy violating article isn't easy (a lot of the time it isn't easy to remove even those that do violate policy), and really it would be a shame to lose it - this is exactly the sort of thing Wikipedia should have: articles that may not make it into paper encyclopedia simply because they are on paper and have limited space. Once you submit anything to Wikipedia you are licencing your contribution under the GDFL so they essentially cease to become your property - anybody can edit them (see WP:C and WP:OWN for some more details), so your editorial decisions are only as valid as the next person's. That said, the article is almost entirely your work, so in any discussion on the subject your views would have some weight, and it is unlikely that anybody will object to some minor trimming. I would suggest you just cut it back to what you think is an appropriate level (you'll be the best judge of what is necessary to include to give a good coverage of the subject). If you have a particular previous version you think fits the bill exactly, you can simply select that version from the history, then hit "edit this page" and save it (that will overwrite the existing version with the older version). On a related note I don't know whether the "Ethnic group" sidebox Template:Ethnic_group would be of any interest to your for this article - have a look. All the best, Yomangani talk 23:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The GDFL licenses your work, it doesn't transfer ownership of it, so you would not have to cite Wikipedia in any further articles you produced (unless you actually used it as a primary source). You could also copyright the work on your own website (providing it wasn't copied directly from Wikipedia), but there would be nothing to stop third parties taking the duplicated content from Wikipedia since you have already released it under license here. I wouldn't like to comment on legal validity of the assertion of copyright over previously GDFL licensed material, but the advantage of submitting it to other publications is they may not have the same restrictive policies regarding original research and NPOV, so you may be able to give opinion, advance original arguments and refute others, rendering the final work substantially different from the Wikipedia article. Cheers, Yomangani talk 00:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK
Great job! Keep it up!--Srikeit (Talk 19:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

You made it! Great job. It's a worthy addition to DYK and Wikipedia. I still feel like it's dangling on the line of original research, but.. heck. ;) --Fang Aili talk 21:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I think everything's ok with it right now. I'm no expert in the original research policy or image policy, but if no one objected after it appeared on DYK, it should all be ok. Congrats on getting some vandalism! ;) --Fang Aili talk 14:53, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Taking a break
A note to all: I've worked like a Trojan this week getting this article written, expanded, cited, sourced, referenced, revised, and edited. Now it's just pretty darn good, if I do say so myself; so I'm going to let it sit a while, and get back to urgent matters in my real life. I appreciate all the good help and suggestions very much. But now it's time to let the article rest; I've included plenty of references and links for folks who want to dig further. I've also written up several short articles that link to mine; it's been fun but a lot more work than I planned. :-) So I'm taking a break now, and getting back to my real job.  Peace to all.  Textorus 19:37, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

who owns the world
I would suggest you look into Kevin Cahill's book. I heard him interviewed about this and he is pretty convincing. He put years of work into this and works for the Economist, I understand.--Filll 01:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It might be pure nonsense. I do not know. He claimed that the US was one of the few places in the world that made personal ownership of land very clear. I am not an expert in law etc so I cannot pass judgement one way or the other.--Filll 03:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

ubx
It's upsetting, but it's not an attack on anyone in particular. Under policies known as T2 (as well as T1 if I recall correctly) all interesting userboxes have been migrated into userspace under the userbox migration system. I had some Green Party userboxes that were outright deleted, not even migrated, because political userboxes were seen as the worst of the worst. I could replace them but I just haven't yet. Anyway, all religious and secular, political and anarchist, sexual and prudish, philosophical and whatever's-the-opposition-to-philosophy-hmmm userboxes have been not only migrated, but strongly discouraged, so they aren't even advertised at Userboxes. I've seen LGBT userboxes, straight userboxes, "straight but not narrow" userboxes, etc., on userpages since then, so I'd advise you to just keep an eye out or ask around to find the ones that are still in circulation. &mdash; coe l acan t a lk  – 12:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Culture of Canada
Thanks for your help with the Culture of Canada page. It needed someone to go over it and put the wikilinks in. Avt tor 23:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a million!
Wow! You gave Lesbian American history the review it truly needed, especially given I'd like to one day bring it to featured article status. I can't thank you enough for your input. Most of the material I had was from a graduate level history class (History 640: History of Women in the United States), in which I did a lot of research on Lesbians in American history. Unfortunately, the essays therewith associated were often critical, so wholly inappropriate for an encyclopedia, bearing my own stamp of political ideology. I've had to work with my notecards from the research and temper my analysis for an NPOV view, so several things I was unable to immediately address (for example, the role of Lesbians in the promotion of marriage equality), but plan to review. Honestly, I have all of Emma Goldman's writings, and though I don't have the reference handy (now I have my homework for this weekend), Emma Goldman was *the first* person on record in the United States (I remember this from the same history class, unless Dr. Dunn was lying...I just consulted my notebook and I have that among my lecture notes) to speak out for LGBT equality. As Emma Goldman is my hero (silly as it may sound), I've resolved to refrain from making edits to her article (though I reserve the right to make minor edits) on this very importatnt heroine. Also, I like to remind you that you are no less capable than anyone else in advancing this topic. If we were to believe that only women or lesbians were capable of accurately advancing this topic, then I would be quite ignorant. You don't need to be Wilma Mankiller to advocate the Cherokees, and you need not be Rita Mae Brown to advocate Lesbians. I sincerely prize your input, and I hope that you'll continue to be a necessary part of making sure this topic receives proper scrutiny. Cheers! Chuchunezumi 07:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, and I hope that you might review the article on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyke_tyke. Don't forget that allies are oftentimes more useful than rank-and-file soldiers!  Chuchunezumi 08:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar awarded
The LGBT Barnstar

regarding "persecution"
In response to your comment on the CfR at Categories for deletion/Log/2006 December 16, the discussion there and more extensively at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies has pointed out that this particular category is meant to deal only with legalistic procedures, usually state-enforced. The fact of legal proscriptions against homosexuality is a different issue than persecution in general. Matthew Sheppard was a victim of persecution, but not of state oppression. There is already a category for "persecution" in general, and it is currently named Category:Hate crimes against LGBT people (although it too could be renamed, but that is a separate matter). The category we are discussing, Category:People imprisoned or executed for homosexuality, is a subcategory of that one, as state oppression is indeed persecution, but the two are not one and the same. It is important to preserve legalistic persecution as a distinct topic, which is why we are not upmerging it into hate crimes or persecution in general. Given what I've just said, and perhaps after reading the full discussion at both the CfR and the Wikiproject links, I would ask you to reconsider your vote. Indeed we are not going to be upmerging the category of state-sponsered oppression into the more general category, so the question is really, is a renaming of Category:People imprisoned or executed for homosexuality to Category:People prosecuted under anti-homosexuality laws something you can abide by? &mdash; coe l acan t a lk  – 16:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Civil unions in New Jersey
I read over civil unions in New Jersey after signing the bill through Corzine in New Jersey. Which can be the next states in USA, where a political chance for civil unions are ? I think: Maryland (Martin O'Malley), Delaware (Ruth Ann Minner), Oregon (Ted Kulongoski) and New York (Eliot Spitzer) (all three now democratic gouvernors)? Is that correct ?GLGerman 09:46, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

LGBTProject template on Talk page
Hey Textorus! Thank you for dropping a line on my talk page. No big deal about putting the LGBTProject template on the article page rather than the article's Talk page. I got on a roll and moved them all. I'm just happy someone's working on the LGBT articles! --Tiger Marc ROAR! 23:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not absolutely sure what the article ratings are for. I think it's to help the project find nominees for group cooperation in the future. Also, feel free to rate an article when you add the project template. See WikiProject_LGBT_studies for more info. --Tiger Marc ROAR! 01:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

talk:marriage
Thanks for your help at talk:marriage. There will probably be a request for binding mediation in a couple days or sooner, so if you're burnt out with the discussion now, what you've already said will be considered by disinterested editors then. Hopefully a NPOV article will result. I haven't responded to all your points but I've taken them all in. =) &mdash; coe l acan t a lk  – 01:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hahaha! The other onemanandonewoman editors would actually be pretty tolerable without Nkras riling things up, imho. I just pointed out to him that he's already stated contempt for consensus. Now that he's said that, I don't consider him to be part of the discussion, since consensus is the primary method of wiki. I couldn't resist correcting his flailing at "kosher" though. I hope he really does make a phone call to hear it straight from the rabbi's mouth. Then maybe he can lecture the rabbi for "deconstructing" the Torah. &mdash; coe l acan t a lk  – 02:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

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Isla of Man
I probably phrased that wrongly. What I mean is that, although Manx can differ from UK law, in this case it doesn't, and so there seems to be little point in having a separate article on it. Really, the Isle of Man ought to be covered only when it does not coincide with UK law, and not when it does. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 04:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Florida Legislative Investigation Committee
Hey Tex, LOL. I'm honored that you appreciate me! That's an interesting article too. To quote Sean Penn, “You tolerate me, you really tolerate me.” --Tiger Marc ROAR! 04:43, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's funny how this whole Wiki thing works. The quote I left above motivated me to delve into Wikiquote for the past few hours. Nows, I gots the madd skillz in da wiki Quote haus!!! ;-) Surely that's a sign it's time to sleep. 'Night! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tiger Marc (talk • contribs) 06:42, 31 December 2006 (UTC).

Thomas Anthony Dooley
Please don't add people to Category:LGBT people if they're already filed in a subcategory such as Category:LGBT people from the United States. Wikipedia discourages duplicate categorization of this type. Thanks. Bearcat 05:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Randy Shilts
I'd like to move your Randy Shilts article to the next DYK update, but I notice that all the references except one are clumped under "External links" at the end rather than being connected to individual paragraphs with citation notes. If you are up to making the improvement, I'll make sure it goes on the next DYK update after its completed. I'd make the improvement myself but you are more familiar with the sources and could do it more easily.  ◄ HouseOfScandal  ►   22:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

As you were leaving the message on my page I was simultaneously here letting you know that I put Shilts on the next update. Good work on the article. There aren't that many LGBT topics among my articles but I am glad to help get one seen on DYK. Best wishes...I am now off to watch another episode of Ugly Betty!  ◄ HouseOfScandal  ►   08:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Civil unions
Hi Textorus. I’m sorry about the misunderstanding at the civil union talk page. I didn’t mean to sounds like I was being belligerent although I guess I was being a bit defensive. Sometimes humour gets lost in written communication. Let’s just put it down to experience and get on with editing. You’re doing a good job on the article. – Adz|talk 00:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Domestic partnership in Tasmania
Haha well if I was dense enough not to figure it out, some extra explanation would probably help at least one other reader in my position! Thanks for schooling me. &mdash; coe l acan t a lk  – 01:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Shilts article
I am assessing this as per your request on the LGBT noticeboard. I will give it a "B", but I have one concern. The section where Shilts is spat upon for calling for the closure of the bathhouses: The article states (and it is supported by the obit used as reference, I admit), that he called for the closure in articles from the mid 80s, and that he included a note about this in the book about Milk. I find this troublesome, as the Milk book was released in 1982, years before the epidemic took hold. The bathhouses were open until at least 1984. So I wonder if the note in his book was actually in And The Band Played On... Perhaps you can double check this. If you don't get anywhere, please let me know and I will. I lived in SF during this period (1977-1984) so I have a personal interest in this. Jeffpw 09:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you spotted that. Here's the LA Times source for what I wrote in that sentence, but I overlooked the chronology:


 * "Although he was worshiped by many in gay circles for enlightening heterosexuals, Shilts was controversial among more radical members of the movement, some of whom labeled him a 'gay Uncle Tom.' In the mid-1980s, his stories suggesting that gay bathhouses in San Francisco were breeding grounds for AIDS made him a pariah, unable to walk through the city's Castro District without being jeered or spat upon. When 'And the Band Played On' came out, he was attacked for charging that gay groups initially pretended that AIDS did not exist. More recently, he was faulted for opposing the 'outing' of prominent, closeted gays, including two four-star generals he described anonymously in 'Conduct Unbecoming.' Shilts was hurt by such barbs, but refused to alter his message or obscure the truth to win friends. In the author's note for 'The Mayor of Castro Street,' he offered this explanation: 'I can only answer that I tried to tell the truth and, if not be objective, at least be fair; history is not served when reporters prize trepidation and propriety over the robust journalistic duty to tell the whole story.'"


 * But now that you bring it up, it does seem that Shilts's note antedates the bathhouse controversy. Let me see if I can reword the sentence in my article, then see what you think.  Appreciate the help from someone who was there.  --Textorus 09:42, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering if the Times obit got it wrong, or took the quote out of context. It's sloppy, either way. The only way to tell for sure, of course, is to check out the book itself. If it is indeed in the book, it would have to be in a later edition. Jeffpw 09:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * That section reads better now. Have you considered, though, expanding it to include the other big reason he was so controversial to the gay community (eg: his assimilationism)? That was certainly a bone of contention at a time when gays were striving to create a legitimate identity, unconstrained by the morality of the heterosexual majority. Jeffpw 10:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * His "assimilationism" (what a mouthful!) was mentioned in a couple of sources in passing; but I would need to research that further to find out exactly what is/was meant by that in the context of the time and place. You were there, though; if you have a clear idea of the point being made, by all means, add that in.  --Textorus 10:29, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Shilts refs wikified
Go into the edits to see how I did it. It makes it a lot easier for you in the future. Jeffpw 13:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You're quite welcome. If you go into the edit page function, you'll see how I did it. If you expand this, or create another article, you'll see how you only have to add the ref once, and can use it in multiple places without typing the whole link out. Also, see now why the same urls for external links are redundant? Once the refs are wikified, the title of the link comes out for the reader to click on if they want. By the way, congrats on getting it promoted to a DYK?, but watch it carefully while it is on the main page, since articles on the main page tend to be attractive targets of vandals. Jeffpw 22:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Randy Shilts, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! ++Larbot - run by User:Lar - t/c 17:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Sexuality and gender identity-based cultures
Would you be willing to collaborate with me on cleaning up this article? A lot of it is totally in need of repair, but I'm more of a Wiki Faerie than an actual editor, so I'd love some help and a second brain to be involved... – SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  01:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds good! Good luck with your work :) –  SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  00:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

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