User talk:Texture/Archive-2004 June

Info for info
Em... sorry for 'vandalising' an info. However, i was simply putting in some humour that would've been dismissed quite lightly.

Hi. No lunar flag just yet - the Moon Society just closed off a two-year contest and hasn't released any designs yet. Even after that, there are still things which need to be done to make it even semi-official.

The Mars flag is not, AFAIK, a legally official flag (I think you kind of have to have people on Mars first, or some other foolish thing). However, it is official in that it has the approval of both the Planetary Society and the Mars Society, flew aboard the last Discovery mission in 1999, and flew over the Mars Arctic Research Station during its last season of operation. I'll have more on the image page.

Your turn. I can see how you've configured your sig, but how do you get it to time/date stamp? Surely you don't have to do it manually? Denni 21:49, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Your sig is made up of two links to user and one link to talk. I get that. But when I see your sig, it is followed by a time/date stamp. I am trying something similar. It looks like this:


 * Denni


 * which looks like


 * Denni


 * But if I try to time/date stamp that with tildes, what I get is


 * DenniDenni 02:36, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Is there a msg: I can add to my sig which adds time/date, so that what I get is Denni 02:33, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)? (I guess I could play around, but other things are more pressing - a current article, f'rinstances.)


 * Denni 02:36, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The best approach is to change your sig to something like this:

Denn]][[User talk:Dwindrim|i

Then the four tildes will work for both sig and time. - T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  18:32, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * On a largely unrelated note, don't five tildes give date and time in this software version? Hmm, let's check (-- 00:26, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC) --) right here and see if it works :) - Fennec (&#12373;&#12400;&#12367;&#12398;&#12365;&#12388;&#12397;)

Forest Temple
Hey, no prob. The main problem with Votes for deletion is it's so damn slow. I found that in the time I managed to return the topic you removed, I had removed an entry that someone else put in a minute before. Maybe they should have a seperate page for every day. Very impressive page format, btw! I might just borrow the idea (well, learn some of the code you use). All in the name of public domain!--[[User:HamYoyo|HamYoyo (Talk)]] 19:01, Jun 3, 2004 (UTC)


 * Enjoy! My user page is GFDL all the way...  (And portions from other users' pages...)


 * VfD used to be easier when we were using MediaWiki pages. Now that it is all back in one page we are having the same problems as before and the same page corruptions and section errors.  Not fun. -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  19:12, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Al-Andalus, etymology(ies)
Well, I added the above piece to supplement information I found in the "Al-Andalus" page here, which I found scant and not scholarly. Seems someone thinks it's patent nonsense. I thought Wikipedia would welcome the additional information.

Al-Andalus, etymology(ies) - follow up.
Hi. I see. I'll ammend it then and hope it's found useful. Thanks for the suggestion :)

Croat
Yes I did - thank you! Mark Richards 21:58, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

&#12373;&#12400;&#12367;&#12398;&#12365;&#12388;&#12397;
On a completely unrelated note, are you active on the IRC channels by any chance?
 * I know about one word of written Japanese (&#12398; is apparently "no" and means "of", at least in some contexts) and I'm sure that you're better at all this than me... I have little or no clue what I'm doing and welcome help :)
 * &#12373;&#12400;&#12367;&#12398;&#12365;&#12388;&#12397; is supposedly something like "fox of the desert", although perhaps it's out of order and " &#12399;&#12365;&#12388;&#12397;&#12398;&#12373;&#12400;&#12367;" would be more appropriate (am I saying "desert of the fox"? O_o)
 * I get all my Japanese character stuff out of a little app in KDE called... called... darn, I forget, and I'm on my Windows partition at the moment (due to wireless driver reasons).


 * The app is called Kiten.
 * For a Macintosh IRC client, try X-Chat Aqua. There's also Ircle, but there's the potential for registration unpleasantness- I have no experience with it.
 * If your workplace ISP attempts to block IRC connections, see if it's blocking just port 6667, or if it blocks 7000 as well (try connecting to irc.us.freenode.net port 7000). - Fennec (&#12373;&#12400;&#12367;&#12398;&#12365;&#12388;&#12397;) 02:53, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

PLAUTIA URGANILLA
Nice to know I have my uses! -- Graham :) | Talk 06:28, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Cedric Belfrage: Response(s)
URL at bottom of Cedric Belfrage is neither "down" nor a "user's personal page". Thanks for reviewing the article in (two minutes). -- 65.19.77.253 15:12, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * RAH!


 * It was not available when I tried to access it. In addition, it appears to be a lightly strung together site on an educational server with no HTML.  It is a series of xml pages with no apparant organization and the server home page is the default apache home page that appears when you first install apache.  (You are supposed to replace it with something else.) Are you the server administrator?  Is there a date when the site is expected to be fully up? -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  17:55, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * "rah!" right back at you.


 * yeah, network and server outages do happen. reasonable mistake.


 * on your comment that the web site appears lightly strung together. seems pretty robust to me (frames suck of course).  sometimes it seems like Wikipedia is lightly strung together, too, but that's okay (I'm not sure what you got against "educational" servers).  XML pages--- what?  Looks like Content-type: text/html to me.  The fact that this NYU library is using XML to catalog their collections shouldn't shine poorly on them.  It appears they're using the Apache Tomcat server to do all their XML work.  Who cares about apache home pages?  There is a home page for the collection, it's just on another server.  it seemed that having a link to the personal paper's of this biographical entry was relevant.  maybe not.  but why not give a pseudo-reference (remember Cite sources) to the sourcce of much of the article's material.


 * No, I'm not the server administrator nor affiliated with the NYU Library system nor the Robert F. Wagner collections. -- 132.198.104.111 20:43, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Remember, Please do not bite the newcomers.

VF-713
If I remember correctly, it was deleted as soon as I added it to VFD. I don't know why it doesn't show up when you click on the link. RickK 23:25, Jun 9, 2004 (UTC)

apologies
While I still feel you were overbearing w Svigor (who may or may not be a returned user or sockpuppet, I understand that) I can see where I came off too strongly. I don't mean to be rude to you, a user who I have a generally good impression of. That said, I was harassed early apon coming to the wiki, and accused of being a returned hardbanned user (EoT/142 specifically) and so am particularly sensitive for others (rightly or wrongly) accused thusly. I also find there to be an overall spirit of deletionism on the wiki, which I am opposed to. I want crazies to be able to provide verification and citation. I want links to a variety of sources. Thats what I love about online information, the diversity. To summarize, I cry your pardon, and attempt to explain my POV here. Sam [Spade] 05:10, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Well said. -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  05:15, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Picture of the day
I was browsing the Wiki and stumbled upon your userpage featuring the USS Iowa photograph. That was so damn cool, I just had to say: "Thanks!!" Cribcage 14:08, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * LOL. Don't thank me... I stole it from Angela. You can add the pic-of-the-day to your own user page with  -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  15:08, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Why did you remove my link?
You said I vandalize articles and that you would block me. You removed my link. Why? How am I vandalizing articles? I don't understand.


 * Hi. Your only edit since March (if it is the same user on the IP) in Wikipedia was to add a link and label it "Why Wikipedia sucks. Big time." I see this as vandalism. -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  16:17, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Why Wikipedia sucks, Big Time was the title of the article. I copied the formating and style from the previous entry. It was linked to by six german blogs as well as three english blogs. Why do you see this as vandalism? Why did you say I vandalised article*S*?


 * I did not. I asked you not to vandalize articles. I made no mention of what or how many articles you have edited. -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  17:01, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

You did. You said: "Do  not  vandalize  articles. If you continue you will be blocked from editing." Try reading: "Do not beat your wife. If you continue you will be jailed." The continue sentance says that I was doing the previous part, which was vandalizing articles. I don't think I was vandalizing articles. I thought the blog article was interesting and so I linked it. Why was that vandalism?

Page duping
Thanks for sorting out my duping of the VFD page - I couldn't understand what had gone wrong there. -- DrBob 20:47, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Vanity site
Hi, Texture. You removed the link from vanity site to my personal web site (a vanity site). I just wanted to point out that it was not me who added that link. I asked for suggestions of a vanity site to link to, and another user added the link to my site. Since my web site is currently not availalble, I'm not going to make a stink about it. Your edit comment of it's removal seemed to indicate you thought I added it. :-) Peace, Frecklefoot 14:58, Jun 11, 2004 (UTC)

Request for Information About Submission Policy
Texture: I'm new to Wikipedia, but if I correctly understand what I'm seeing, you removed the link I added in Internet Trolls because it references an article I've written. Well, I can understand the need for such vigilance, but if you search Google for "Internet Trolls" (or even just "Trolls") it's the first article that appears. Did you remove the link because it links to a page I own?

I'm trying to understand Wikipedia policy, here. Obviously people can't link to every wacky page they set up. Must a link be entered by somebody other than the author? If so, isn't that like trying to compile an encyclopedia only by consulting people who aren't doing research in a particular field?


 * As community policy, it is not generally accepted that any user should add his own web pages. It is considered vanity or an advertisement for their page.  (No accusations against you but I agree with the policy to avoid all of us, including me, adding our own web pages.)  In addition, it is inadvisable to add user home pages (from AOL and such) that are not considered authority sites and can be down or changed without warning. -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  17:53, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Sig
Thanks, Texture. Your quick tutorial was all I needed to go ahead and explore the possibilities for custom sigs. Works (of course) like a charm. Denni 21:00, 2004 Jun 11 (UTC)
 * I'm intersted, where is this signature tutorial located? Thanks (:  siroxo 01:57, Jun 23, 2004 (UTC)
 * Cool thanks for the help! &mdash;siro&chi;o 20:29, Jun 23, 2004 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
Hi Texture. I'm no fan of nonsense, but I wonder from the deletion log whether you've been a bit quick in one of your deletions. 29a seems to be a real group - see. It's no big deal - I'm not going to bother listing it on votes for undeletion. I just wondered what your reason was for getting rid of it. (Obviously, you've seen the whole article and I've only seen the bit that got onto the deletion log). --   ALargeElk | Talk 16:52, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * It appeared to be unsupported nonsense (not the name of the group, but the claim). Here is the content for you to evaluate for yourself. If you believe is isn't nonsense I have no objection to listing it for undeletion.  (Always better to have more people review a questionable deletion.):


 * Name of a virus group that created the first [virus] for mobile phones using the [Symbian] [OS]. They are also suposed to have written the first viruses for [.NET] and [Win64].


 * External links


 * http://29a.host.sk/main.html - The homepage of 29A


 * You can also create a new article on this topic - T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  19:13, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Deleted Link
You deleted a link I recently started and accused me of creating a link to "advertise my website". Not only do I have no part in that website (outside of the community), but my intentions were not to simply 'get more hits'. I found it interesting that there were large and informative links for other websites/communities, such as GameFAQs and even Starmen.net. I don't understand what makes this other particular site in question so different. Please enlighten me. --Fiberglass 23:42, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Apologies
I understand now why it was deleted, the policy makes sense. It seems this area is largely contraversial, and a line has to be drawn somewhere. Interestingly, that line appears to be drawn at Starmen.net, and I have to agree that my article in question went beyond that line. Sorry about all the confusion, I'm (clearly) new to this site. --Fiberglass 23:42, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

About reverting
Thank you. I inserted that punctuation and "claimed for reverting" because when i read the page, it did not show the page text, but the vandalism. Dont know if the cause is some sort of cache of anything, i just did the only good thing i could think (not saying it was the best): re-reverting the page. And after that, i managed to see the real text and not the prior vandalism, so i thought it worked well. 81.72.185.170 07:36, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Please learn how to behave here
You may revere Reagan, but please do not remove facts you are in denial of, or add your own viewpoint to the article. The so-called "economic prosperity" of the 1980's certainly helped the wealthy, but it is dubious at best that it helped anyone else. The only such arguments I have heard are rife with the typical Republican denial of actual experience and facts. In any case, wording such as "at least for the wealthy" leaves open the possibility that it helped others too. Learn to read more carefully.

Furthermore, your other edits of my text are merely removal of facts that you don't like. You seem to want a sanitized history of Reagan, but such denial and dishonesty is counter to the values of a society with a free press. (Unfortunately, this is certainly in character of Republicans, and Reagan in particular-- he continually made up booksful of fake statistics, anecdotes, and "facts" to support his errant positions. So much for the "Great Communicator".)

You are apparently a new user, since you don't seem to know what "vandalism" is. You might educate yourself at this page. You are further in violation of the standards of behavior here, by dishonestly marking some of your edits as "minor"-- go read some guidelines.

Maybe it's best if you just read articles for a while and learn how Wikipedia is supposed to work, before you mess things up too much. You yourself might try using the sandbox while you learn.


 * To anon user: Please don't vandalize articles and discuss any objections you have on the talk pages. Thank you. - T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  14:19, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Why did you leave me a comment that said you'd ban me from editing if I vandalized anymore articles? I haven't vandalized any articles, to my knowledge.


 * To Texture: Again, you don't seem to understand what "vandalism" is. Please educate yourself at the link above instead of continuing to misuse the term.  If you continue to not make sense, your comments will thenceforth be ignored.  Thank you. -- 24.4.202.208 18:43, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Reply
Adding www.runescape.com to the history of afganistan is also vandalism. Consider this your last warning. Do not vandalise articles. - T&#949;x&#964;ur&#949; 00:18, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Dear Sirs,

I did not edit www.runescape.com to the history of afganistan of any how whatsoever. If I'm wrong, then please show me how this muck-up happened. --Diablo SV 00:38, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * This warning was given to User talk:203.26.24.219 for adding runescape.com to History of Afghanistan since 1992. The user's IP can be found in the page history and the exact change diff can be found here and here. -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  00:42, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Reply
The vandalism warning you referred to was given to User talk:203.26.24.219 for adding runescape.com to History of Afghanistan since 1992. The user's IP can be found in the page history and the exact change diff can be found here and here. - T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  00:42, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

No sorry, that was not me, and wasn't done by hands, and I don't know how it got there.

It's a mystery, or maybe someone is hacking my ip?

Reply
Are you on a wireless network? Someone could be using your network connection. (Although the probability of them also making edits on Wikipedia would be small.) Were you logged off during the suspicious edits? You can find the complete contribution history for that IP here (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=203.26.24.219). - T&#949;x&#964;ur&#949; 00:53, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I was online on Wikipedia at the time but I didn't go there. I'm not on a wireless network, I don't even have a laptop.

Jim Stynes
Hi there. I note that you coincidentally deleted what was then a blank entry on Jim Stynes just as I was writing an article on him (I found his name on the "orphaned articles" list). I'm not experienced enough on the wikipedia technical whys and wherefores to know if this has implications for the article (I note that when I search for Jim Stynes, I only get some of the articles he is named on rather than the article itself), so I'm not sure whether you need to undelete or restore the article or I need to do anything before it can be found on the search apparatus. thanks in advance --Roisterer 02:45, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Reply was posted to your user page - T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  14:38, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

George W. Bush
Maybe I missed something, but what is wrong with the Mubarak quote? Has this been discussed before? Gzornenplatz 03:15, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Reply was posted to your user page - T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  14:35, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Re: Grrrrrrr
Hey thanks, actually after coming here to your page to see how you did your signature, I saw your page, really liked it, and was inspired to make mine better. The tabs idea was stolen from you, only i did different formatting. Standing on the shoulders of giants, I am. &mdash;siro&chi;o 03:51, Jun 24, 2004 (UTC)

I'll ask again
What article did I vandalize? Bluesmojo 13:10, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * What IP did you receive a vandal warning as? Bluesmojo hasn't made edits. -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  13:33, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I just registered yesterday. I've only edited a couple articles: I added a paragraph to "dobro" because I felt the article was leaving a lot out, I added a couple sentences to "Bedford, Indiana" (my hometown), and posted on the "Discussion" part of SR-388 asking if Wikipedia really needed entries about Metroid planets. That's all that I can think of. Bluesmojo 13:38, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Where did you see a message from me? Without that I can't respond since I leave messages for many people.  I haven't left any message on your Bluesmojo account. -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  15:02, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

It was on the main page when I came to Wikipedia yesterday, in a little banner. It said something like "Please do not vandalize articles. If you continue you will be banned from editing." I edited the articles I mentioned above before I registered. Bluesmojo 15:16, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * I'm not familiar with any banner on the main page and I don't have the ability to create such a banner. It may be a bug.  I haven't send you any messages as Bluesmojo. Did it give a date or time? -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  15:20, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Nope. Actually the banner on the main page just said something like "You have a new message," or something to that effect. I had to click somewhere else to read it. I can't find it anymore. The IP would have been 216.43.143.129 or 12.222.35.23, I think. Bluesmojo 16:47, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * I checked and neither has anything on their talk pages nor any edits in their contributions that I have responded to. May have been a shared IP.  Are you on a modem that you would get a different IP each time? -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  16:52, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Meelar sent me a message saying it was probably a bug. I'm glad I'm not in trouble! Wikipedia is great. Bluesmojo 18:51, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

User Page
I love your user page...I hope you don't mind if I kind of steal the design Ilyanep (Talk) 21:15, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Please do. But look at User talk:Siroxo for a good variation on it. -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  21:16, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

UserPage
First of all that link doesn't work ...and second of all, can you please help me figure out why the tables aren't lining up all nice on User:Ilyanep/Temp? I want some to be aligned left and others right but it ends up being a big mess. Ilyanep (Talk) 21:18, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Kind of like that, but one table is hidden like that and I want there to be two columns (no center or anything)Thanks a bunch for your help. Ilyanep (Talk) 21:24, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)'
 * Actually...that works, thanks :) Ilyanep (Talk) 21:24, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * With all the align=left and align=right your browser gets confused. Trying to line up so many confuses it on where to start the next one.  Sometimes just some breaks will fix it. -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  21:25, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your help
My Page is finished and in very good condition. Thanks a bunch Ilyanep (Talk) 22:36, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Minority Report and Other Stories
Hello, you know me from votes for deletion on one of my articles. The book you are reading is very good read, I especially like the story about the head of a large company that died and cannot be brought back to life using a standard technique.

The 'god' wiki article
Hi,

I am new to editing on wikipedia (infact I'm not currently registered, although I'll change that soon), and recently added a few changes to the 'god' article here. With such an obviously contentious issue it is probably best to be very open and honest from the outset. I am an atheist, and having looked at the page, I was a little dissapointed with the lack of any real references to atheism or alternatives to belief in some form of deity. As you can see from looking at the history of the page, I added a small amount about atheism (I thought not written in an aggressive style and fully within line with the rest of the article), and added a few qualifications to other areas and changed small amounts of grammar. I think what I did promoted the objectivity of the article rather than forced my particular viewpoint, or 'vandalised' in any way. I was therefore very dissapointed to see that you have withdrawn all the changes I made on the article. I am being completely honest and open about my atheism, and I would appeal to yourself and anybody else within the wikipedia community to have a look at the changes I made. I honestly do not think they appeared in any way dogmatic, and were simply an attempt to redress the balance a little and to present another alternative viewpoint.

I have to actually go now, and won't be online for a good few hours. If you would like to contact me in person please do so at: aaarrrggh_uk_1999@yahoo.com I will be happy to talk to you about this. Also, I will make an appeal myself in the community portal when I have more time. I hope this is ok. I honestly think the changes I made were in the better interests of objectivity.

Paul :)


 * Welcome, Paul. What I saw last night appeared to be vandalism and advertisement for a website.  The first few words were replaced with "follooun", which set my thoughts to vandalism.  The changes made seems so anti-god and anti-religion that it appeared to be a vandalism of the article or an attempt to be so out there as to get people to visit your web site. Other anon edits before and after the one's I reversed also seemed to be anti-god vandalism.  I may be wrong on what you are attempting to do with the article.  If I am, I apologize.  However, before you create a large addition of atheist/anti-god/anti-religious text in the article on god, may I suggest you discuss it on the Talk:God discussion page?  In addition, you may want to add your information to the Arguments against the existence of God article instead. -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  14:59, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I will post the answer to this on the talk:god page to avoid confusion :)

personal webpage
I'm really not quite sure what your vendetta against my page is about, but perhaps you should take a moment and realize that this page was initially added by someone at a military installation. Moreover, the linked page itself has nothing to do with me, and is both a pro and a con discussion about Reagan.

Perhaps you should losen up a bit.


 * Thanks for your concern. Wikipedia is not the place to advertise personal web pages. (No matter who began it you are advertising your page.)  Vanity postings and edits are removed as policy. -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  20:31, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * BTW, tell me how you chose to create your account and restore the links to your personal webpage totally by chance after the anon (certainly not you...) had it reverted? Pure chance?  Doesn't matter.  The fact that it is your personal web page makes your action vanity/advert. -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  20:36, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thank-you
Hi. I just wanted to thank you for swiftly deleting both of my entries on the speedy deletions page :). It's good to know that there are admins patrolling -Frazzydee 19:35, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)