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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (July 2013)


From the Editor Welcome to the July 2013 issue of Ichthus. We focus on the chronology of Jesus, as well as looking back at the project content improved over the last month.

WP:X has gained another Featured Article, Gospel of the Ebionites, by Ignocrates. The Gospel of the Ebionites is the name scholars give to an apocryphal gospel that supposedly belonged to a sect known as the Ebionites. It consists of seven short quotations discovered in a heresiology known as the Panarion, written by Epiphanius of Salamis, and its original title remains unknown. The text is a gospel harmony composed in Greek, and is believed to have been written during the middle of the 2nd century.

St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn was promoted to Good Article status, as was two other welsh churches, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, and St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch.

The main page also featured several DYK hooks for articles in our project, namely Bob Fu, List of places of worship in Tandridge (district), Catholic Press, Garendon Abbey, St. John's Episcopal Church (Jersey City, New Jersey), Pargev Martirosyan, Praskvica Monastery, Heather Preceptory, St. Augustin, Coburg, Longleat Priory, St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, Christianization of Moravia, Christianization of Bohemia, Repton Abbey, St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch, Medingen Abbey, Elmhurst Christian Reformed Church, St. James on-the-Lines, and Leopold Karl von Kollonitsch.

Church of the month St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery is part of Saint Sophia's Cathedral, Kiev in Ukraine. It is a functioning monastery that dates back to the Middle Ages.

Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 367 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Newchildrenofthealmighty, Evenssteven, Kerna96, and FutureTrillionaire. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

Focus on... THE HISTORICAL JESUS

When did Jesus live? When did he die? How do we know? We do, in fact, have excellent information about the time intervals for the life and death of Jesus. As in other people who lived and died in the first century, this gives an approximate date range, but still, give or take 3-4 years and we have pretty good estimates confirmed by a number of really diverse sources, ranging from inscriptions in Delphi to Roman and Jewish sources. The Chronology of Jesus article discusses how a wide variety of Christian, Jewish and Roman sources are used to establish the time-frame for the life and death of Jesus.

And all of his data fits together. For instance, the chronology of Paul had been discussed based on the Book of Acts long ago, then the Delphi Inscription is found in the 20th century in the Temple of Apollo. And guess what.. it confirms it and totally dates his trial in Corinth, which helps reaffirm the date of the crucifixion of Jesus. The same date range is independently estimated from the writings of Josephus on the Baptist's death. And it fits Isaac Newton's astronomical models for the crucifixion date as well as the independent lunar calculations of Humphreys. As that article shows, all these dates just fit together.

From the bookshelf Chronos, kairos, Christos: nativity and chronological studies edited by J. Vardaman, E. M. Yamauchi 1989 ISBN 0-931464-50-1

This two volume book (with a very apt title) is gem-filled with scholarly research. Paul Maier's article in the first volume is a classic study on the chronology of Jesus and provides a useful summary of a number of issues.

Did you know...
 * ... that the Russian journalist Nicolas Notovitch who in 1894 originated the story that there was evidence at the Hemis monastery that an adult Jesus had traveled to India, later confessed to fabricating his evidence?

Calendar This month (July) contains the feast days of Mary Magdalene, and James, son of Zebedee.

- Help requests Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

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WikiCup 2013 June newsletter
We are down to our final 16: the 2013 semi-finals are upon us. A score of 321 was required to survive round 3, further cementing this as the most competitive WikiCup yet; round 3 was survived in 2012 with 243 points, in 2011 with 76 points and in 2010 with 250 points. The change may in part be to do with the fact that more articles are now awarded bonus points, in addition to more competitive play. Reaching the final has, in the past, required 573 points (2012, a 135% increase on the score needed to reach round 4), 150 points (2011, a 97% increase) and 417 points (2010, a 72% increase). This round has seen over a third of participants claiming points for featured articles (with seven users claiming for multiple featured articles) and most users have also gained bonus points. However, the majority of points continue to come from good articles, followed by did you know articles. In this round, every content type was utilised by at least one user, proving that the WikiCup brings together content contributors from all corners of the project.

Round 3 saw a number of contributions of note. claimed the first featured topic points in this year's competition for her excellent work on topics related to Maya Angelou, the noted American author and poet. We have also continued to see high-importance articles improved as part of the competition: was awarded a thoroughly well-earned 560 points for her featured article Middle Ages and 102 points for her good article Battle of Hastings. Good articles James Chadwick and Stanislaw Ulam netted 102 and 72 points respectively, while 72 points were awarded to  for each of Władysław Sikorski and Emilia Plater, both recently promoted to good article status. Collaborative efforts between WikiCup participants have continued, with, for example, and  being awarded 180 points each for their featured article on Boletus luridus.

A rules reminder: content promoted between rounds can be claimed in the round after the break, but not the round before. The case in point is content promoted on the 29/30 June, which may be claimed in this round. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. We are currently seeing concern about the amount of time people have to wait for reviews, especially at GAC- if you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to reduce the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 10:36, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Death of Jairo Mora Sandoval
Thanks for writing Death of Jairo Mora Sandoval. It is very well written and really, really interesting. I might consider reviewing it tomorrow or sometime this week. ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 05:32, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Glad you enjoyed it. It is always nice to hear that my work in appreciated. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:09, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Here's the review sheet! Thanks again! ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 18:20, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, the article has been placed on hold. I'm looking forward to working with you. Best, ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 05:36, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks!  I'll take a look tonight/over the weekend, and respond to your comments on the talk page. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:06, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Just a note
Hi, Thaddeus - I hope I am not insulting you or your work by 2nd nominating the page of Death of Sarah Guyard-Guillot for deletion. I thought it would be good for her page to be a page with her name, then mentioning her death. I noticed my nomination was deleted, and maybe I added it incorrectly, but I was hoping you could help me on that. Did I do it wrong? I want to be a friendly contributor, not someone who edits someone else's work maliciously. So please help me on this, like I mentioned, I am only trying to contribute productively. Thank you!

Romanov1918 13:01, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I do not take it personally - everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. As to the deletion discussion, I did not stop it (it has many comments and looks likely to end in "merge").  I just fixed the link to link in the template. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:07, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

WebCiteBOT source code
Hi,

could you share the source code for WebCiteBOT please?

I'd like to use it in a custom installation of mediawiki (not related to wikipedia).


 * The bot relies on a IRC feed that reports links as they are added, so it would be useless outside Wikipedia without a rewrite. There is a link to its source code in its BRFA if you want to try to rewrite it (sorry I don't recall the link offhand). --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:06, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Skywire Live
Where in the text of that article is there a citation for the claim that Wallenda was "the first person the tightrope walk across a Grand Canyon area gorge"? I cannot see it? HiLo48 (talk) 02:46, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * near the end of the walk section: "Completing the walk in 22 minutes, 54 seconds, Wallenda became the first person to highwire walk across a Grand Canyon area gorge.[15]" Strictly speaking the source saying first to cross GC. The "area gorge" language was decided upon by consensus at Wallenda's article.  (It is also almost certainly true - a list of stunts done in the area that I saw lists no other tightrope walking.) --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:03, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing that out. Unfortunately, this is where the hype surrounding this event gets in the way of sensible reporting. That source first says "Wallenda completed a...walk...over the Grand Canyon". Then comes "just a distant ribbon of the Little Colorado River beneath him". That's NOT the Grand Canyon. It's a nearby place. Then we have "Wallenda, the first person to cross the canyon..." Which canyon? It doesn't explicitly say that Wallenda was "the first person the tightrope walk across a Grand Canyon area gorge". (Using the word area is an admission that it wasn't really the Grand Canyon.) Until I see a truly reliable source (and they're very hard to find regarding this event anyway) saying that nobody else has crossed a Grand Canyon area gorge, I won't feel comfortable with that content. We need to be really careful reporting on such aggressively and commercially promoted events. Advertisers abandoned truth aeons ago. HiLo48 (talk) 03:24, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Whether the area is or is not part of the Grand Canyon is a matter of debate. I would say it is technically the Grand Canyon (as per the US geological society, the whole rock formation is the GC), but certainly not what people think of as the Grand Canyon.  That is, it is deceptive, but technically accurate to say he crossed the Grand Canyon.  I think the chosen wording (which was worked out among several editors) accurately conveys the situation as not being the "real" GC (as per perception) while not discounting it entirely.  I am well aware that news sources can be sloppy and report inaccuracies (which is why I added "its also true"), but without any evidence that a source is wrong we have to assume it is correct (or we can't write anything).  There are numerous sources that use the "first to cross GC language".  (Examples:  ) Here is one that says "first man to cross a Grand Canyon-area gorge":  Another says "first person to cross a gorge near the grand canyon" .  Ironically, this story titled "Famed daredevil Wallenda to cross gorge near Grand Canyon" also says "will attempt to become the first person to walk across the Grand Canyon on a tightrope".  --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:55, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, well, while I still don't believe he crossed the Grand Canyon, the claim of "Grand Canyon area" with doubtful (to me) sourcing is probably true. It's just a shame that such a self proclaimed good Christian had to surround himself with so much marketing crap and bullshit for what was actually a darned good achievement anyway. HiLo48 (talk) 04:08, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Like wirewalking, shameless hype "is in his blood". ;) In all seriousness, while I am quite sure he is very serious about his Christianity, if it was me I would feel uneasy promoting my event in a deceptive fashion, especially if I wanted to use it as a platform to promote my faith. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:26, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

ITN for Yobe State school shooting
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 * Great! Thanks again for the detailed review. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:43, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Men's parking space
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Saran school lunch poisoning incident
I am concerned that there may be too much close paraphrasing of sources in this article. Many sentences seem to be like the news reports I read earlier today. Rmhermen (talk) 02:35, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Well the facts will obviously be the same and there are only so many ways to say something so if you read multiple reports it wouldn't be surprising that things sound familiar. That said, I can assure you that the sentences I wrote (which is most of the article) shouldn't have any copyright issues. Of course, feel free to use the  provided refs to double check some sentences if you like - it always possible I am mistaken.  --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:53, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Douglas Dayton
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DYK for Death of Sarah Guyard-Guillot
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Template:Did you know nominations/Tsuken Island
I have placed the CWW-multi template on the article. It seems to be only from Uruma, Okinawa, but it is still a lot of content. I was wondering if you could place the subst:DYKno template on the DYK nomintion page to get an independent person to close it sooner. SL93 (talk) 03:17, 22 July 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅ - I also left the article writer a note about the copyvio and how to fix it. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:26, 22 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Oy vey. I expanded the Uruma article significantly, and when I created the Tsuken article it felt like original writing. Will figure out how to fix this. Apologies all! ---> Prburley (talk) 04:35, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Atlas (robot)
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Your edit to Target Corporation
Hello, I noticed you made an edit to Target Corporation where you removed mention of B. Dalton Bookseller's founding in 1966 from the article's history section. The article is about Target-the-chain's parent company (then-called the Dayton Company), and it needs to remain there because the founding of B. Dalton is a part of the Dayton Company's history. B. Dalton was founded by Bruce Dayton (the name itself derived from his own) as a subsidiary of the Dayton Company. It's not unrelated to the history of the parent company as I understand your claim is, so unless there are any objections to doing so then I'm going to restore it. Tuxide (talk) 13:05, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * PS Perhaps you meant it's unrelated to the "founding of Target"-the-chain, as that's what the subsection is called. The article currently has a bias towards the titular chain as this is the company's main retail chain right now, but that wouldn't be the case back in 1962 as the main retailer was Dayton's and Target was more like an experiment.  Therefore, we shouldn't consider the founding of Target to be a pivotal part of the company's history deserving its own subsection.  1950 would be a better header candidate as that's when the five Dayton cousins took over and really started doing things differently.  The founding of Target, B. Dalton, Southdale Center, etc. would be relevant to this topic.  Tell me what you think of this idea too.  Tuxide (talk) 13:05, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * As I recall, the wording suggested a Dayton family member founded Dalton's as a separate venture. If Dayton Company never had ownership, they it doesn't belong in to article.  If they did, it needs to be explained properly (and not as part of the Target chain section).  Also, I find the claim that the founding of Target (chain) isn't a pivotal moment in the company's history to be extremely bizarre.  Of course it is a pivotal moment in light of where it went, and even if it hadn't taken off it would still warrant a section.  If Dalton's is/was indeed a subsidiary, then it warrants a section of its own, not a single sentence randomly in the middle of a section on the Target chain. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:11, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It was never in a section of the Target chain in the first place; it was in the article's history (1962-71) section which is where you removed it. By definition of "history", events are listed in chronological order and it needs to remain where it was as B. Dalton was founded in 1966.  I can reword it so that it clearly says DHC had ownership of the bookseller, but it doesn't need its own history subsection because it has its own article with its own history section.  Tuxide (talk) 01:31, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I re-did the sectioning with more logical breaking points and re-added a line about B. Dalton's. Preferably the article shoudl mention Dalton's again at other important points (such as when it was sold), so please feel free to do so. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:45, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Those were already in there (1968, 1986), I'm wondering why you didn't remove them. Tuxide (talk) 02:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably because I didn't notice... Anyway the problem is corrected now. Sorry about my mistake in removing it earlier. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:51, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Santiago de Compostela derailment
Sources for 77 death toll:

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/07/24/espana/1374693824.html http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2013/07/24/galicia/1374693125_734192.html http://www.324.cat/noticia/2154423/societat/Almenys-nou-morts-en-descarrilar-un-tren-a-Santiago-de-Compostella — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.17.25.235 (talk) 05:36, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Chris Holtmann
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Adding to DYKSTATS
I was wondering if you could add Sharknado to WP:DYKSTATS at Non-lead hooks with at least 15,000 views section as well as DYK page view leaders by month (over 5,000 views). I have tried requesting help after my addition to the page was reverted as being incorrect, but I have not received any type of useful help or any offer to add it for me. SL93 (talk) 23:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Page views SL93 (talk) 23:16, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Normally, in such case one would take the views on the date of the hook and subtract the average of the day before and the day after. (Technically, this is true of all hooks but normally the average views for an article are trivial so people don't worry about it.)  Here, the day after stats were lost (and 2 days after partially lost), so I subtracted just the day before.  --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:53, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will keep that in mind if there is another time. SL93 (talk) 15:55, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Electronic skin
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August 2013 WikiProject Christianity Newsletter


From the Editor

Welcome to the August 2013 issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter. We focus on the historical Jesus and reflect on the last month.

The project has another featured picture, The ruins of Holyrood Chapel, a digitisation of an oil-on-canvas painting. Our top-importance article, Jesus, has been nominated for Featured Article status, the discussion can be seen here; Knights of Colombus has also been nominated as a FAC.

Ecgbert (bishop) and Church architecture in Scotland have both this month achieved Good Article status.

Our project had several of its articles featured in the main page DYK section, including Hinckley Priory, Little Chapel, St Peter's Church, Ropsley, Chip Ingram, St John the Evangelist's Church, Corby Glen, Great George Street Congregational Church, St Mary's Church, Walton-on-the-Hill and Bunge church.

Our thanks go to all of those who have worked to achieve these article milestones.

Church of the month This image, of Maillezais Cathedral and created by Selbymay was this month promoted to featured picture status.

Membership report We would like to welcome our newest members, Thechristophermorris, Psmidi and Jchthys. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

Focus on... THE HISTORICAL JESUS

What was Jesus like? What did he preach? Did he claim to be the Messiah? Did he predict an apocalypse? What can we know about him outside a religious context? The Historical Jesus article discusses what can be known about Jesus with various degrees of probability. While scholars agree on the over all flow and outline of Jesus' life (his baptism by John, debated Jewish authorities, healings, and his crucifixion by Pilate) they have built various and diverging portraits of the rest of his life. These range from minimalist portraits that accept very little of the gospel accounts to maximalists who accept most of the accounts as historical.

The portraits of Jesus have at times been unwitting reflections of the researchers themselves, and Crossan once quipped that some authors "do autobiography and call it biography". However, the study of historical Jesus has made one thing clear: there is so much to learn about Jesus that the more one looks, the more there is to discover.

From the bookshelf Jesus of Nazareth: An Independent Historian's Account of His Life and Teaching by Maurice Casey 2010 ISBN 0-567-64517-7

In this book Maurice Casey not only draws on his special expertise in the Aramaic traditions and the Q source, but provides a comprehensive review of the various approaches to the historical Jesus.

Did you know...
 * ... that in 1951 Christianity was the second largest religion in the world with 500 million followers, compared to 520 million Buddhists, but by 2013 it had gained the top spot with about 2.2 billion Christians?

Calendar This month we celebrate the feasts of St Lawrence, St Bernard, and St Augustine.

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WikiCup 2013 July newsletter
We're halfway through this year's penultimate round, and the competition is moving along well. Pool A's currently leads overall, while Pool B's  is second. Both leaders are WikiCup veterans, and both have already scored over 600 points this month. If the round were to end today,, with 274 points, would be the lowest-scoring participant to make it through. This indicates that participants will need a score comparable to last year's (573, the highest ever) to qualify for the final. The high scores this year are a testament both to the quality of participants and to the increased focus on significant content (eligible for bonus points) in this year's competition. So far this round, both Sasata and have made up over half of their score through bonus points, with, for example, high importance FA koala earning Sasata a total of 440 points (from a multiplier of 4.4) and high-importance GA sea earning Cwmhiraeth a total of 216 points (from a multiplier of 7.2). Other articles on important topics submitted this round include a featured article on the Norman conquest of England by, and good articles on Nobel laureate in literature Henryk Sienkiewicz, Nobel laureate in physics Hans Bethe, and the noted Japanese aircraft carrier Hiryū. These articles are by, and Sturmvogel_66 respectively.

Other than that, there is not much to report! If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to reduce the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 00:04, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Hero shrew
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DYK for Andrew Smith (basketball)
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DYK nomination of Asylum in Australia
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Wikipedia:WikiProject Article Incubator
An editor has proposed the creation of a Wikiproject. Would you be a sponsor of such a Wikiproject? Unscintillating (talk) 23:00, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * On 05:06, 10 August 2012 (UTC), you mentioned a plan to support the incubator. One of the things a Wikiproject would allow is an alerts page, so that processes such as Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Article Incubator/The Library (movie) would get the attention of the project.  I've added all of the pages in the incubator to my watch list, but doing such is not easy to maintain.  Two other things for the project are the Portal:Article Incubator that needs to be moved to project space and revised, and the discussion at WP:VPP that needs attention.  A fourth topic for project discussion is that I'm not personally satisfied with the limbo evaluation, and would like to discuss alternatives.  Unscintillating (talk) 23:53, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * On 03:05, 14 May 2013 (UTC), you wrote that you wanted to "revive the AI project over the summer". Seems like the current activity in the incubator is what you want.  I don't know how to interpret your silence here.  Unscintillating (talk) 23:21, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * My silence is do to being busy, nothing more. :) I will comment on the MfD later tonight or tomorrow. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:11, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


 * My apologies about not commenting on the MfD before it closed... To answer your question, I guess I don't understand what the difference between a "Article Incubator Wikiproject" and the AI itself would be.  I don't really see a reason for both to exist simultaneously - whatever is desired of the WikiProject can be done at the AI page itself. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:40, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please read my post of 8 August 2013, as I discuss several things there that a Wikiproject could do that are different from WP:AI. The AI is an institution of Wikipedia created by WP:Deletion policy.  A Wikiproject is a group of editors with a common interest.  Why do you think the editor proposed the Wikiproject if they are the same?  It is at the core of the confusion of the current RfC that is trying to make backdoor changes to policy by marking the project inactive, when the WP:AI is not a project, but something created by policy.  Unscintillating (talk) 03:40, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Mini Lisa
You nominated Mini Lisa to appear as part of DYK. However, I suggest that article be merged into Mona Lisa replicas and reinterpretations. You can reply in the nomination page. --George Ho (talk) 18:01, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Gotham Bee
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DYK for Shikhin
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DYK for Mini Lisa
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DYK for Typhleotris mararybe
Alex ShihTalk 01:02, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Dixonville is the only correct name
Please monitor Dixonville,_Pennsylvania to make sure it is not Dicksonville,_Pennsylvania. Your previous fix was reverted many months ago. Thanks. 75.247.143.193 (talk) 19:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for 2013 Fonterra recall
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DYK for Olate Dogs
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DYK for San Clemente Loggerhead Shrike
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ITN for 2013 China–Russia floods
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DYK for Carmelo Flores Laura
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ITN - Lavasoa dwarf lemur ... where did it go?
I like to document all the ITN articles I write, but I can't find any mention of the Lavasoa dwarf lemur article for August 2nd as the ITN note on the talk page mentions. I know it was approved, and I saw it on the main page, but now I can't find it in the archives. Any ideas? – Maky  « talk » 20:28, 23 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Here is the edit that updated the template to include it. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:08, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Why isn't it included in the archive? –  Maky  « talk » 00:13, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * If you mean the posting archives, they haven't been updated since 2011. If you mean teh candidate archives, it is here (the search function doe not always work very well).  --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * No, I was referring to August 2013 current events, which has listed all my other ITNs in the past. ITN also links to this through its portal.  The new lemur species (and the shrew) aren't listed.  <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; font-family: fantasy, cursive, Serif">–  Maky  « talk » 00:36, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah. The CE portal is not directly related to ITN, although our guidelines do suggest people update it at the same time as nominating to ITN.  As such occasionally a story is listed on ITN but not there (of course feel free to add either or both stories yourself even at this late date).  --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:44, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Sure. But what is the "official" header for biology/nature-related news items? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; font-family: fantasy, cursive, Serif">–  Maky  « talk » 01:32, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * "Science and technology" --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:39, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Btw, lemurs are in the news again... and I barely caught it.  I've updated the article as needed. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; font-family: fantasy, cursive, Serif">–  Maky  « talk » 04:31, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Kawahiva people
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Palmasola

 * Much appreciated. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:22, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 August newsletter
This year's final is upon us. Our final eight, in order of last round's score, are:
 * , a WikiCup newcomer who has contributed on topics of military history and physics, including a number of high-importance topics. Good articles have made up the bulk of his points, but he has also scored a great deal of bonus points. He has the second highest score overall so far, with more than 3000 points accumulated.
 * , another WikiCup veteran who reached the finals in 2012, 2011 and 2010. He writes on a variety of topics including botany, mycology and astronomy, and has claimed the highest or joint highest number of featured articles every round so far this year. He has the third highest score overall, with just under 3000 points accumulated.
 * , 2012 WikiCup champion, who writes mostly on marine biology. She has also contributed to high-importance topics, seeing huge numbers of bonus points for high-importance featured and good articles. Previous rounds have seen her scoring the most bonus points, with scoring spread across did you knows, good articles and featured articles.
 * , a WikiCup veteran who finished in second place in 2012, and competed as early as 2009. He writes articles on biology, especially mycology, and has scored highly for a number of collaborations at featured article candidates.
 * , the winner of the 2010 competition. His contributions mostly concern Naval history, and he has scored a very large number of points for good articles and good article reviews in every round. He is the highest scorer overall this year, with over 3500 points in total.
 * , who is competing in the WikiCup for the second time, though this will be her first time in the final. A regular at FAC, she is mostly interested in British medieval history, and has scored very highly for some top-importance featured articles on the topic.
 * , a finalist in 2012 and 2011. He writes on a broad variety of topics, with many of this year's points coming from good articles about Star Trek. Good articles make up the bulk of his points, and he had the most good articles back in round 2; he was also the highest scorer for DYK in rounds 1 and 2.
 * 1) has previously been involved with the WikiCup, but hasn't participated for a number of years. He scores mostly from restoration work leading to featured picture credits, but has also done some article writing and reviewing.

We say goodbye to eight great participants who did not qualify for the final:, , , , , , ,. Having made it to this stage is still an excellent achievement, and you can leave with your heads held high. We hope to see you all again next year. Signups are now open for the 2014 WikiCup, which will begin on 1 January. All Wikipedians, whatever their interest or level of experience, are warmly invited to participate in next year's competition.

This last month has seen some incredible contributions; for instance, Cwmhiraeth's Starfish and Ealdgyth's Battle of Hastings—two highly important, highly viewed pages—made it to featured article status. It would be all too easy to focus solely on these stunning achievements at the expense of those participants working in lower-scoring areas, when in fact all WikiCup participants are doing excellent work. A mention of everything done is impossible, but here are a few: Last round saw the completion of several good topics (on the 1958, 1959 and 1962 Atlantic hurricane seasons) to which 12george1 had contributed. Calvin999 saw "S&M" (song), on which he has been working for several years, through to featured article status on its tenth try. Figureskatingfan continued towards her goal of a broad featured/good topic on Maya Angelou, with two featured and four good articles. ThaddeusB contributed significantly to over 20 articles which appeared on the main page's "in the news" section. Adam Cuerden continued to restore a large number of historical images, resulting in over a dozen FP credits this round alone. The WikiCup is not just about top-importance featured articles, and the work of all of these users is worthy of commendation.

Finally, the usual notices: If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to reduce the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 06:24, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Rugosodon
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DYK for Official language
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César Cielo copyedit
Hello, I remember that you were doing a review of César Cielo. Thank you for waiting for me to complete the copyedit. I have work as a professional writer and editor and sometimes my paid work gets in the way of completing my volunteer editing. The César Cielo article required extensive English grammar re-writing, which I completed several days ago. I believe it is now ready to continue the review process. Thanks again for your patience. -   t  u coxn \ talk 03:16, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Hemaris thysbe
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DYK for Civitella Paganico
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We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

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DYK
Hi, I left an alt here in my DYK nom. Thanks, Mat  ty. 007 18:08, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Wang Changshun
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi
Please don't forget about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:C%C3%A9sar_Cielo/GA1. Rauzaruku (talk) 17:52, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Asylum in Australia
The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Reviews
I just noticed that you have nonminated both Andrew Smith (basketball) and Brandon Miller (basketball) at WP:GAC. You are obviously a basketball fan. I need some reviewers. Would you consider reviewing Featured article candidates/2012–13 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team/archive1.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:30, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I have put Miller on hold 5 days ago. It has not been edited in over two weeks, however.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:30, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Brandon Miller (basketball)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Brandon Miller (basketball) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of TonyTheTiger -- 18:42, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The article Brandon Miller (basketball) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold [[Image:Symbol wait.svg|20px]]. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Brandon Miller (basketball) for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of TonyTheTiger --  00:52, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You have been inactive since September 2. I have asked if someone wants to step in for you. If no one does in the next few days, I will fail the article.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:47, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I have also left a note in the talk page template of Andrew Smith (basketball), even though no one has started its review.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:47, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 September newsletter
In 30 days, we will know the identity of our 2013 WikiCup champion. currently leads; if that lead is held, she will become the first person to have won the WikiCup twice. , —who has never participated in the competition before—and follow. The majority of points in this round have come from a mix of good articles and bonus points. This final round is seeing contributions to a number of highly important topics; recent submissions include Phoenix (constellation) (FA by Casliber), Ernest Lawrence (GA by Hawkeye7), Pinniped, and red fox (both GAs by Sasata).

The did you know (DYK) eligibility criteria have recently changed, meaning that newly passed good articles are accepted as "new" for did you know purposes. However, in the interests of not changing the WikiCup rules mid-competition, please note that only articles eligible for DYK under the old system (that is, newly created articles or 5x expansions) will be eligible for points in this year's WikiCup. We do, however, have time to discuss how this new system will work for next year's competition; a discussion will be opened in due course. On that note, thoughts are welcome on changes you'd like to see for next year. What worked? What didn't work? What would you like to see more of? What would you like to see less of? All Wikipedians, new or old, are also warmly invited to sign up for the 2014 WikiCup.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to reduce the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 23:46, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

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COI problem
I have a problem with an article called Partido da Imprensa Golpista. This article is actually pure COI, and a single editor constructed all this COI. I've putted a request into Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard, and another in Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests, do you think it's enough? This user will cause a lot of problems, now that his COI was discovered, he will be wanting to revert the edits to his original COI and try to block me, nstead of making the article impartially. Rauzaruku (talk) 00:04, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Taking a quick glance at the article it looks like a lot of original research to me, which would not be surprising given the COI. Posting to the message boards you mentioned is a good start to getting the attention the article needs.  I see the page has been protected to prevent a revert war with the original COI editor, so it seems things are on the right track.  If the COI editor continues to cause problems, he can be blocked - use WP:ANI if things escalate to the point where you think a block or other is warrented.  If you need any further assistance, let me know. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:31, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 October newsletter
The WikiCup is over for another year! Our champion, for the second year running, is. Our final nine were as follows:

All those who reached the final win prizes, and prizes will also be going to the following participants:


 * wins the FA prize, for four featured articles in round 4, worth 400 points.
 * wins the GA prize, for 20 good articles in round 3, worth 600 points.
 * wins the FL prize, for four featured lists in round 2, worth 180 points.
 * wins the FP prize, for 23 featured pictures in round 5, worth 805 point.
 * wins the FPo prize, for 2 featured portals in round 3, worth 70 points.
 * wins the topic prize, for a 23-article featured topic in round 5, worth 230 points.
 * wins the DYK prize, for 79 did you know articles in round 5, worth 570 points.
 * wins the ITN prize, for 23 in the news articles in round 4, worth 270 points.
 * wins the GAR prize, for 24 good article reviews in round 1, worth 96 points.
 * The judges are awarding the Oddball Barnstar to, for some curious contributions in earlier rounds.
 * Finally, the judges are awarding the Geography Barnstar for her work on sea, now a featured article. This top-importance article was the highest-scoring this year; when it was promoted to FA status, Cwmhiraeth could claim 720 points.

Prizes will be handed out in the coming weeks. Please be patient!

Congratulations to everyone who has been successful in this year's WikiCup, whether you made it to the final rounds or not, and a particular congratulations to the newcomers to the WikiCup who have achieved this year. Thanks to all who have taken part and helped out with the competition. While it has been an excellent year, errors have opened up the judges' eyes to the need for a third judge, and it is with pleasure that we announce that experienced WikiCup participant Miyagawa will be acting as a judge from now on. We hope you will all join us in welcoming him to the team.

Next year's competition begins on 1 January. You are invited to sign up to participate; it is open to all Wikipedians, new and old. Brainstorming and discussion remains open for how next year's competition will work, and straw polls will be opened by the judges soon. Those interested in friendly competition may also like to keep an eye on the stub contest, being organised by Casliber. The WikiCup judges will be back in touch over the coming months, and we hope to see you all in the 2014 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 01:31, 1 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Congratulations on the ITN prize--thanks for all you do there! -- Khazar2 (talk) 19:50, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Brandon Miller (basketball)
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