User talk:Thanar

February 2008
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A belated note to say that the above warning from the XLinkBot turned out to be unfounded, as the YouTube links that triggered it link to the required video evidence (primary sources) of the records listed on the page. Thanar (talk) 23:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Ice Capades - Albert Lucas
Good get! --Lou Sander (talk) 05:02, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

February 2011
Welcome to Wikipedia. One or more of the external links you added in this edit to the page Max Holden (magic) do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed. Wikipedia is not a collection of links; nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. You may wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. Jay-Sebastos (talk) 05:08, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming that the above message is the product of someone using a semi-automated anti-vandalism tool? I changed the broken link that I stumbled upon (produced by { { SeeMagicPedia } } which broke due to the (magic) at the end of Max Holden) into a link that actually worked. But perhaps MagicPedia should not be externally linked to, I'm not sure. It may fall under the category "Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors." mentioned in the list of Links normally to be avoided at Wikipedia:External links - If that is the case, there are 39 other links that should be removed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=magicpedia&sourceid=Mozilla-search as well as the SeeMagicPedia template. It does seem as though there has been some cross-pollination with MagicPedia in the past, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Leeasher Thanar (talk) 05:48, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * My mistake. Trying to catch the most vandals in the least amount of time sometimes mean that helpful people like yourself get wrongly caught in my endeavors! Have restored your version. Jay-Sebastos (talk) 06:09, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. I learned some things through the experience, in any case, including a better way to fix the brokenness of the link by using a feature of the template. Thanar (talk) 06:12, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your work
Thanks for your work in keeping the Juggling world records page up to date. It is a valuable resource that we all appreciate. Fortpinepitch (talk) 06:07, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

List of records
Please see WP:RS for our guidelines on reliable sources. Primary video evidence is not reliable; see WP:PRIMARY. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 04:11, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Where on WP:PRIMARY does it state that primary video evidence is not reliable? Thanar (talk) 04:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems to be more complicated than simply not allowing links to videos as sources: "There is no blanket ban on linking to YouTube or other user-submitted video sites through external links or when citing sources." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Video_links Thanar (talk) 04:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Correct, there is no blanket ban. But your videos are not produced by reliable news media, for instance--they are self-made. Drmies (talk) 04:21, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The argument that they are self-made, therefore they cannot be a reliable source is also incorrect. It means it may not be acceptable, but it depends on the situation: "For this reason, self-published media is often not acceptable as a source. Self-published videos may be used as sources of information about their creator if they meet the requirements seen at restrictions on using self-published sources. The community sometimes accepts videos from the official YouTube channels of subjects, but this is not a guarantee of approval with content being unduly self-serving being just one concern." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Video_links Thanar (talk) 04:32, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * In this case, the video is the direct evidence of the record itself. This evidence is combined with a reliable secondary source for that interpretation, the descriptions of the established regulations with secondary sources. Thanar (talk) 04:36, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * A lot of them had only a video link for evidence, and I have my doubts about the reliability of some of the other sources--indeed, I have my doubts about some of the records in the first place. The status of for instance the Bounce Page, and the organization that seems to run it, Bounce Juggling World Records, is not at all clear. Drmies (talk) 04:50, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I can understand the logic behind rejecting unreliable video evidence. However, the Juggling world records page is a unique resource for the juggling community, and the videos that it refers to are well accepted primary sources. Removing the video links would cripple the value of this page. Fortpinepitch (talk) 05:09, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

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