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February 2014
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 * ἄκανθος}}, akanthos, a plant that was commonly imitated in Corinthian capitals.

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 * Testament]] Greek ἐπίσκοπος, epískopos, "overseer", "guardian" is an ordained or consecrated member of the [[Clergy#Christian

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 * mythology]], Horkos (Greek: Ὅρκος, "oath") personifies the curse that will be inflicted on any person who swears a

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 * Erebos (Greek:Ἔρεβος, "deep darkness, shadow"), was often conceived as a primordial deity,

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 * Greek mythology]], Hypnos (Greek: Ὕπνος, "sleep") was the personification of sleep; the Roman equivalent was known as Somnus.

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 * Aergia' (Greek: Ἀεργία, "inactivity") is a goddess in Greek mythology, a personification of [[Sloth (

Cippi of Melqart
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You've been pre-warned: I submitted the Cippi of Melqart article for the Did-You-Know section, and the hook got reviewed and accepted today! Maybe our work will get some exposure! Your recent edits are amazing btw: your attention to detail is incredible! reuv talk 19:30, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hurrah! P.S. I've only done some derivative work standing on the shoulder of giants... :D Thanatos|talk|contributions 19:39, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I know I'm being too much, but what will be the text? Reading here this "...that the texts on the Cippi of Melqart (pictured)..." is troubling. Pictured is the Louvre Cippus, i.e. one of the Cippi, not both... ;-) Thanatos|talk|contributions 20:04, 25 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, I thought about that a lot. The full text will be: ... that the texts on the Cippi of Melqart (pictured), known as the Maltese Rosetta stone, allowed the deciphering of the Phoenician alphabet in 1764? And the pictured part is indeed the Louvre Cippus - as they are both Cippi, I made sure the caption for the photo was One of the Cippi of Melqart at the Louvre Museum to highlight the fact that its just one! I thought that it's really something we have to live with, as there are two cippi out there - and they haven't been seen next to each other for...quite some time! :P reuv  talk 20:21, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess this will have to do... Unless we have time for a successfull Bring the Cippus back to Malta campaign... Or make English more synthetic again... :) P.S. When will this be on, do you know? I want to have a printscreen saved... :D Thanatos|talk|contributions 20:33, 25 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Hahahahh! Well, we can try that. Am not sure two of us holding a "Reunite the Cippi" slab of marble (incised in ancient Phoenician characters, of course) would be enough to make it happen! Do I know about the Did You Know? (I know, cheesy) To be honest, I do not know. The arcana of DYK updates are way to much for me...the update page is here - Prep Area 4 (Whatever that means!). I had an article listed on DYK last week, but the update went live at 1 am - and I think by 8 am it got removed...so, didn't get to see it. Good luck if you want to catch it live tho! reuv  talk 20:45, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * FYI: View stats P.S. I managed to get a printscreen! :) Thanatos|talk|contributions 22:06, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Cippi of Melqart
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Greek government-debt crisis
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 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
 * You're the one who's engaged in an edit-war. The passage had already been indirectly referenced, at that article and elsewhere, but I've now added more references specific, dedicated and explicit about it (and more), especially for your sake. It's trivial, it's common knowledge -as is btw the whole section which you have tagged as OR!?!?!?!?!?- to anyone who has actually done some real research, has serious knowledge about it, yet here you go... Anyway, if you want to get serious, come there and talk. Otherwise, please stop this foolish, silly behaviour... Thanatos|talk|contributions 17:33, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

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 * '' in Ancient Greek meant "cake", "loaf of wheat-bread", collectivelly "bread" but in Modern Greek now more commonly used in the context of communion
 * } are attested, therefore there has been some criticism over this identification. cognate with Ἰασώ, Iasō, the goddess of
 * ref}}. cognate with Ἰασώ, Iasō, the goddess of healing and ἰατρός, iatros, "healer", "physician". and ἰατρός, iatros, "healer", "physician". Forms of related words have been attested in Greek from as far back
 * both regarded as standing for inflected forms of ἰατήρ, "healer". whose name is Greek. The Hittite testimony reflects an early
 * with the interjection αἰαῖ, meaning alas. The Festival of Hyacinthus was a celebration of Sparta.

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You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring and violating the three-revert rule, as you did at Attic Greek. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice:. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.  → Call me  Hahc  21  06:54, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I really feel a bit bad because you had a clear block log until now, but there was no way I could overlook the lame edit war you and Lfdder performed there, regardless of the substance of your edits. I also thought that since both of you were equally at fault, blocking only one of you would have been taking sides on a dispute I have not participated. I hope this to be your last block, though.  → Call me  Hahc  21  06:58, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Though Lfdder broke 3RR first I won't complain or appeal cause I then obviously broke it too. In fact, I don't mind, so don't "really feel a bit bad"; a bit of spice in my record is fine... :) Thanatos|talk|contributions 15:06, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I really appreciate your reply. I think that the purpose of the block has now been accomplished, and as such I have unblocked you.  → Call me  Hahc  21  16:20, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

'feel free to fuck off'
Έχω αφαιρέσει την συγκεκριμένη προσθήκη. Μην την επαναφέρεις αν δεν θέλεις να ρισκάρεις το block. — Lfdder (talk) 05:04, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * 1. Ευχαριστώ αλλά δεν θα πάρω. Έχω το θάρρος των λόγων μου. Προσωπική επίθεση πχ κατ'ουσίαν και επανειλημμένως έκανε αυτός και όχι εγώ επειδή χρησιμοποιήσα μια «κακιά» λέξη. Εν πάση περιπτώσει ας τιμωρηθώ·θάρρος γαρ...
 * 2. Θα με τρελάνεις παρεμπιπτόντως άνθρωπε!!!!!! Μετά το όλο ιστορικό, τα δύο τελευταία «επιχειρήματα» του πληθυντικού στο τετράγωνο (επειδή πληθυντικός->ενικός, επειδή ενικός->πληθυντικός), είναι απλά απίστευτα!!!!!!!!!! Ειλικρινά το κεφάλι μου εξερράγη... ;-) Thanatos|talk|contributions 05:51, 25 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Εννοώ πως θα ήταν προτιμότερο να το αναδιατυπώσουμε, πες "the earliest record after the Mycenaean texts". Στον ενικό μπορεί να νομίσουν πως υπάρχει μόνο ένα προηγούμενο εύρημα, ενώ στον πληθύντικο πως υπάρχουν κι άλλα κυπριακά ευρήματα της ίδιας περιόδου. — Lfdder (talk) 06:22, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Άνθρωπε θα με τρελάνεις! Aυτή είναι η αιτία της διαμάχης;;; Αν ναι, έχεις επίγνωση του τι σύνεβη εξ αιτίας ενός τόσο τελείως μέχρις αηδίας ασήμαντου πράγματος;!;! Ενός πράγματος που, αν όντως θεωρηθεί λυτέο πρόβλημα, μπορεί γελοιωδώς πανεύκολα να αντιμετωπισθεί με χίλιους δυο τρόπους!;! Ή -συνεχίζεις να- με δουλεύεις στο ψιλό γαζί;!;!;! Thanatos|talk|contributions 06:58, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Αυτή ήταν η μόνη μου αντίρρηση όσον αφορά το περιεχόμενο που είχε απομείνει. Δεν είμαι σίγουρος ποια είναι η αιτία της διαμάχης· κάπου μπερδεύτηκα. — Lfdder (talk) 13:57, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

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Oops, sorry
Sorry for the revert - purely fat finger syndrome. Richard Keatinge (talk) 10:30, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. P.S. The act seemed mysterious to me; only now do I realise how little I am: the universal law of fatfingeritis just hadn't crossed my little mind... :) Thanatos|talk|contributions 10:41, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

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 * Ancient Greek]] ἄναξ anax, "lord, master, king") is a genus of dragonflies. It contains species like the [[

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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Sanctus, you may be blocked from editing. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 22:28, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Please realise when you're being out of your depth... Please stop interpreting and quoting wikirules at will; please stop being legalistic. And please create new a New Section at my talk page every time you want to add a comment about a -new- issue... :) Thanatos|talk|contributions
 * Just for the record (decided, after writing it, to put it here instead of putting it at the talk page of the article ): The silliness of all this (self-interpreted) legalistic approach should be, serve as an example to all editors out there, including of course me; one should practise special care and caution, especially when one doesn't know what one's talking about as far as content is concerned; the wikirules (however interpreted) are very important but they have been set in order to provide serious content, not the other way around! "Following" - supposedly - the rules - assuming Elizium23's interpretation of them is correct... - would have led to an ugly, misleading/lacking/... section (see for example his/her changes). P.S. Even the liturgical texts are not really consistent (not a surprise, something trivial of course...). Consult e.g. the right column or go back a page at the cited Liturgy of James (at the authoritative on this issue, afaik, cited source; read also the footnotes; or try the same thing at other Liturgies) and you'll see that the whole hymn is found in various forms, not only in the one excluding said article... This is of course not an isolated example in the history of either Christian texts or texts in general. Had Elizium23 read and reflected on (at least deeply, seriously) the Sources section, provided of course he/she's acquainted with the basic relevant stuff, he/she would probably have been much more cautious on his/her assumptions, accusations, behaviour and acts.
 * EDIT : Restoring the supposedly personal attack. No this is not a personal attack; it's a reasonable and factual assessment of your acts and of the concluding state of the article after the former. This is also MY fucking talk page! I may have chosen not to revert your removal of my reply to you from the article's talk page but I won't accept it here too. If you disagree, report me! I should have reported you for both disruptive behaviour (as far as the actual content/info is concerned) and for personal attacks against me (as I've stated at said location, what you've done is far worse from my point of view than what I have done, after the fact, to you) but I don't generally do such legalisms/bureaucratisms. I prefer instead to actually do info/knowledge/content edits-stuff and discussions (however heated may the latter be)... ;-)
 * He/she chose instead a mindless legalistic (interpreted at will) path, ending in plain BS... ;-) P.P.S. Btw, one more confirmation of the maxim that, even in, as far as the knowledge of/about religious stuff is concerned, (in comparison) atheists/agnostics rule!!! :D Thanatos|talk|contributions 00:56, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you make personal attacks on other people, as you did at Talk:Sanctus, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. Elizium23 (talk) 02:12, 7 April 2014 (UTC)


 * My reply to this is found at the aforementioned article's talk page. Also, for the record, Elizium23 removed therefrom my "personal attack" against him... PS Unbelievable stuff... Thanatos|talk|contributions 02:52, 7 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Next step is WP:ANI, buddy, would you care to push it again? Elizium23 (talk) 03:12, 7 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Feel free to do it. Already said so. I won't accept you censoring me, you censoring my well-deserved factual and reasonable replies, at my FUCKING talk page.
 * Let me point this to you more clearly: the article was made by you to be like Bullshit. Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit. This is just a word. What you've done is far worse.. ;-) Thanatos|talk|contributions 03:21, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Χαίρε
Παρατήρησα πως μεταφράζοντας τα σχόλιά σου από τα αγγλικά στα ελληνικά -- ως εκ θαύματος -- μετατρέπονται απο αισχρά σε κομικά. (Δυστυχώς δεν νομίζω να μιλά ελληνικά ο/η Elizium23.) — lfdder 03:14, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * 1.Πώς το εννοείς «μετατρέπονται απο αισχρά σε κομικά»;; Για λέγε!! Για να καταλάβω τί ακριβώς εννοείς.... ΥΓ. Γιατί ναι, είτε στα αγγλικά, είτε στα ελληνικά, βάζω συχνά υποβόσκον χιούμορ... :)
 * 2.Στην Σελίδα του έχει ανηρτημένο ισχυρισμό βασικής γνώσεως της Ελληνικής·αλλά πού κολλάει αυτό;;
 * Thanatos|talk|contributions 03:24, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Αααα, νομίζω ότι τώρα το έπιασα... :) Thanatos|talk|contributions 03:28, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

ANI, April 2013
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 03:28, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I noticed that you have posted comments to the page User talk:Thanatos666 in a language other than English. When on the English-language Wikipedia, please always use English, no matter to whom you address your comments. This is so that comments may be comprehensible to the community at large. If the use of another language is unavoidable, please provide a translation of the comments. For more details, see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 03:30, 7 April 2014 (UTC)


 * This is my talk page. Feel free to use e.g. google translate. Or ask some other Greek speaker to translate. After your recent behaviour I won't do you this favour... Especially when you're again invoking and (mis-)interpreting rules (or in fact good practices) at will: "These guidelines apply specifically to discussion pages which are used for collaboration, which includes just about all talk pages other than user talk pages". ;-) Thanatos|talk|contributions 03:36, 7 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Notice struck because the English rules do not apply to user talk pages. Sorry about the confusion. (But you should probably read WP:OWN and WP:USERTALK.) Elizium23 (talk) 17:00, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess this is a start. Let's see whether it will be followed by the same thing on supposed OR, etc.... ;-) Thanatos|talk|contributions 07:59, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on other people again, as you did at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Elizium23 (talk) 14:26, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on other people again, as you did at User talk:Thanatos666, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Elizium23 (talk) 15:21, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey
Please take the advice I gave you. It's a good piece of advice, I must humbly say. I don't really want to see you blocked but some of the comments you made while in frustration are a bit over the line. I usually don't edit when I'm upset because we can say things we later regret, and you should do the same. Cheers.  → Call me  Hahc  21  18:53, 10 April 2014 (UTC)


 * DP an admin, here where and whilst I'm trying to prove that I'm not an elephant, said (among other things), in essence (yes I'm paraphrasing, but that's the actual fucking meaning of it) called me a worthless incompetent ignorant antisocial dick and then continued at your talk page by lying to my face that he said nothing serious. You, another admin, then removed from your talkpage the section I had added to you talk page requesting help or involvement -which contained the discussion wherein, among other things, said lie and wherein I accused him of lying, quoting what he had actually said- writing at the edit summaries:"Ok, read this and 1) removing because it messed the thread, and 2) removing because it was put on incorrect indenting. Although I have had my share of disputes with DP, I won't allow uncivil comments pointed at him." and "Actually this entire thread shouldn't have happened. Going to leave comment at Thanatos' talk page and call it a day"
 * And I am the one who's being over the line, uncivil?!?!?! ;-) Hell yes I'm frustrated!!! Thanatos|talk|contributions 19:19, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Here's an idea: your paraphrasing of what I said is dead wrong, and inappropriate, and blockable. Don't dare put words in my mouth that don't belong.  I clearly laid out on ANI in front of thousands exactly what I felt was wrong.  I also said in that same paragraph that there was no need for further action against you at that point, not even "a talking-to".  In other words, you were off nearly scot-free, with a mere warning not to be uncivil any further.  My analysis was not disputed by any other of the hundreds of admins who reviewed my statement AND your edits.  As such, it was a good time to disengage and learn the lesson.  Sadly, you refused to do so ... and by your wholly mistaken understanding of what was said, you're still not getting the point.  The only message left is this: stop being uncivil, and move on.  Easy when you read it correctly.  D  P  19:40, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * So things like this a gigantic ... erm ... pointy must have been written by someone else. OK, I'm an elephant... ;-) Thanatos|talk|contributions
 * Right, the Wikilink to WP:POINT was important there ... you by your own admission made a specific edit to make a point. We call that being "pointy"  D  P  20:32, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * 1. Yeah, Thanatos666 (talk · contribs) is being is being a gigantic ... erm ... pointy... P.S. Plus ...gigantic... vs ...by your own admission made a specific edit to make a point..., etc., etc....
 * 2. Even if the true and only sense of the characterisation was simply (something which for some reason - perhaps due to some unspecified recent events, call me biased - I find doubtful), instead of..., that I am disrupting wikipedia to illustrate a point, is this something I should simply accept and not protest against most emphatically?!?!?! ;-)
 * 3. I guess so. As I've said: I'm an elephant. It's proven, so no reason to continue... Thanatos|talk|contributions 22:02, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll remind you to review the edits you made in and around this exchange on the talkpage for Sanctus:
 * It seems that everyone interprets the rules at will... Do you want me to solve your "problem"? OK watch how I will do it... Thanatos|talk|contributions 22:04, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. Problem solved. Are you happy?? ;-) Thanatos|talk|contributions 22:07, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't remove content from articles again in this manner, it is inappropriate and considered vandalism. You have been warned appropriately. Now please begin to cite real sources and stop dreaming things up. Elizium23 (talk) 22:29, 6 April 2014 (UTC) 

Does that appear familiar? Do your edits there not clearly meet WP:POINT? What colour of elephant are you? :-)   D  P  22:41, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * 1.Yes.Did it solve the "problem"? Yes. Don't me make explain how cause this time I'll use legalese.
 * 2.Did it cause a gigantic disruption to wikipedia?? No. Is it really, even, at all, a disruption to wikipedia? It would be ridiculous to claim so. Cause if we were to accept such a stretched, loose definition, wikipedia would have been in comparison, following said definition, gang banged about a quadrillion times per second. Therefore what you said and claimed has just been refutted...
 * 3.Now go for example and confirm if you can the accusations against me including OR, SYNTH, VANDALISM, etc. Get my point? No. Why??? Because I am an elephant... ;-)
 * Thanatos|talk|contributions 00:41, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the correct questions are: was it civil? Was it constructive? Was it an example of collaborative, collegial editing upon which Wikipedia is based? "Gee, officer, I was only going 5 miles faster than the limit. It's not like I raped or murdered anyone." Elizium23 (talk) 00:49, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You keep accusing me when you hardly have taken a single look at yourself in the mirror.... It would be meaningless to continue responding to you Elizium23. My talk page (let alone various other wikipedia pages...) would get full of things like these.... Put inside irrelevant sections again and again... Sorry but I can't really talk to you now cause if I continue, then you will get to know what a personal attack and profanity really are, including untranslated forms thereof in Greek... ;-) . Come back, if you want, in x days. Perhaps then my frustration will have subsided... Thanatos|talk|contributions 01:07, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * "But officer, he was speeding just as fast as I was!" Elizium23 (talk) 02:06, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikilinking
Hi, and thanks for your work on the English Wikipedia.

I noticed an article you worked on. Just a short note to point out that we don’t normally link:
 * dates
 * years
 * commonly known geographical terms (including well-known country-names), and
 * common terms you’d look up in a dictionary (unless significantly technical).

(This even applies to infoboxes.)

Thanks, and my best wishes.

Tony  (talk)  08:38, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Palace of Nestor
Hello. Re: this edit – please note that the Katharevousa Greek translation of the Modern English term for the Ancient Greek archaeological site is irrelevant to the article (see WP:NOTDICT). Having the phrase in Modern Greek would only make sense if the term had originated in Greek writings; it did not. Also note that the 'see also' section is placed above the footnotes section (see WP:APPENDIX). --Omnipaedista (talk) 03:43, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * 1.I wouldn't call the Greek name of a place, be it in Katharevousa or other form, irrelevant. 2.The site dig started long before kathomiloumene/demotic and the monotonic system got official status in Greece. 3.I had anyway only made the name in Greek more 'consistent' (previous state: Ανάκτορο Νέστορος), not added it when no Greek had been there before. Anyway...Thanatos|talk|contributions 05:21, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The 'place name' argument is a good argument. --Omnipaedista (talk) 10:34, 16 July 2014 (UTC)