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AFL.com.au source discussion
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GlobalDoodle
Hi,

Just following up on the notability tag which was added recently to the globalDoodle page. My question relates to the four references which were provided for the article. It seems they are sufficiently comprehensive and independent to support the entry. Further clarification would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Nthistorian Nthistorian (talk) 13:20, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You need to satisfy the general notability guideline, which is significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Two websites that I've never heard of, a you tube channel and a breakfast radio interview (not really that selective, they talk to the Butcher of the Year too) - don't really satisfy the requirements of reliable sources. They might be the world's leading and most trusted authority on drawing related websites, but that isn't really for me or you to decide, which is why I tagged it, rather than nominate it for deletion.  I'll let others review it too and see what they think.  In the meantime, please read WP:V and WP:N and I hope that you don't have any involvement with the company - if you do, then please read COI. Cheers,The-Pope (talk) 13:29, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. New to Wikipedia so definitely need the help. Will await the comments of other editors, but also look for other sources in line with the notability guidelines. Cheers. Nthistorian (talk) 11:16, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

monday mornings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_at_the_2012_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_50_metre_rifle_three_positions checkout the second line of the article re where/when - looks like a curt and paste job - SatuSuro 00:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * cut and paste is one of the greatest inventions of the last 40 years (pleased to see that isn't a red link)! Who hasn't left the wrong name, company, date, town etc in a c & p effort?  Completely unrelated to that, I almost prodded one of your articles this morning... Huzzas. Really? WP:GNG, WP:RS and lots of other capital letters come to mind. Hang 10 dude, The-Pope (talk) 02:28, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * yeah well...geographic names board register break names... cheers SatuSuro 12:48, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Charlie Sutton 1954 Coles Footy Card.jpg
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File:Charlie Sutton Coaching.jpg listed for deletion
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Misclick?
I've undone this edit of yours on the assumption it was a misclick. Feel free to revert me if it was deliberate. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 08:46, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

copyright
Gnangarra 01:13, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The whole reason to delete and the reply from the Admin whom deleted it was bullshite. The banner only had small copyrighted elements in it with the rest of it bring clearly PD-shape. No idea why the Aboriginal flag was ever raised in the debate as its issue is totally complex and nothing to do with the shapes used. Another reason why I don't spend much time on Wikipedia is due to the so called "experts" crying copyrighted and scream delete. If you want, write an email to the team and tell them about how it was used on en Wiki and get them to send an email of permission. Bidgee (talk) 11:42, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

WAIS
Oops. Yeah. :( Misfired on that one.  The other states didn't have the same sourcing things and just misfired there. :( --LauraHale (talk) 12:30, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Nigel Pears
The most reliable source for every player to have made an appearance for Torquay United up until 1999 (Edwards, Leigh; Gibbes, Jon; Lovis, John (1999). Torquay United, The Official Centenary History, 1899-1999. Yore Publications. ISBN 1-874427-38-0) has no record of Nigel Pears playing for the club. Neither does Neil Brown's excellent site which lists all players who have made a Football League appearance since 1946.

Either Nigel Pears only played for the reserves (in which case he wouldn't warrant an article anyway) or, perhaps more likely, he is a complete fabrication! Hope this helps! Bill Luscombe (talk) 12:05, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Page Curation newsletter
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Opinion
Would you mind weighing in your opinion here. &mdash; Vensatry (Ping me)  14:47, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

AFL team squads
Hi, I don't want to argue, so I'll leave them alone.

I just thought they looked better wider rather than longer (my screen displays them OK, though).

I get the list1a bit -that's a pain in the butt, but it does make the columns arrange more neatly (at least on Chrome). It's a pretty sloppy template all-in-all. Don't take to harshly for any 13 players columns, it wasn't my intention to force rugby league rules on Aussie rules teams. It's just the highest number that (usually) fits three columns from a squad. I had hoped someone would make a better suited AFL/Aussie rules-specific template, that'd better accommodate stuff. Wishful thinking, eh? Feel free to undo my edits.

16:05, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

International Cricket
Your suggestions on Internatoinal cricket have met with the response they deserve. If you want to change the established method of producing test averages then bring out a book though I don't know who would buy it.BDOPAF (talk) 18:28, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Ta
I used to have things to do with him some time back, he still seems relatively young for an ex footie player - SatuSuro 12:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

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Wireless Hill Park - assessment
This assessment as a stub was correct at the time, but probably needs updating. Could you update it, or let me know what I should do to get it updated. (I've pretty much finished working on the article, at least for now.) Mitch Ames (talk) 14:32, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not really big on the whole assessment thing, as long as it has something there and isn't blank. Having said that, that is a nice article, lots of refs, so I've given it a B. WikiProject Australia/Assessment gives a but of a guide as to what it ask means and you can get others to assess it.  As far so know, anyone can assess up to B, even self assess, but A, GA & FC are a more formal review.  Well done on the article. The-Pope (talk) 16:06, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Causes on Essendon FC page
Thanks for the heads-up—I will find further sources and replace the section.--Soulparadox (talk) 04:36, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I hope you don't. Every year, in fact probably every month, footy clubs help promote causes. Few, if any, would be notable enough for an encyclopedia article on the club. Fremantle's support of the starlight foundation might be, as it is long term and they actually changed their game day jumper to publicise the organisation (purple haze game). A photo op mid week is WP:ROUTINE and inclusion would be WP:UNDUE. The-Pope (talk) 05:12, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't a re-write be more appropriate then (conveying the sentiment of what you have just written, minus the Wikipedia-relevant content)? Part of my reasoning is to reflect the fact that the club is involved with a charitable cause beyond just sport. It seems reasonable to presume that such activity by people like Watson is undertaken due to a pride underpinning their decision to become involved. I also think it is important that figures like these are perceived and understood as multi-dimensional people who are not just "celebrities". I am aware that original research is disallowed on Wikipedia, for good reason, but if both the club and its management were asked about this matter, I would be incredibly surprised if a decision is made to omit such information. Of course, I do not expect to expand this section beyond what currently exists, but I certainly think that it is worth mentioning (in the same way that other celebrities have been recognized for their charity work). Furthermore, I do not own a dog or support the campaign in any way.--Soulparadox (talk) 04:09, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * If you can show through an extended period, not just a once off, or once a year photo opportunity, and ideally through independent sources, ie not the charity and not the club, that this cause is significant to the club then by all means include it, and any other causes that are equally significant. I just don't think that this one cause is that significant to the club. The-Pope (talk) 05:35, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

signpost
well said - good on you - intereesting is the 'coverall' project for oceania - doesnt exist - that would bring under umbrella a lot of orphan like articles... I helped start wikiproject asia - on the basis that there were asian wide issues subjects that didnt sit in sub projects at all... I tyhink the oceania project needs starting after seeing the comments ... SatuSuro 14:52, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Phil Cronan
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Your question
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About The Game in Time of War
Hi The-Pope. Highly recommended, insightful writing about Australian sport culture in the light of international events. Flanagan, like Sean Fagan, transcends journalism and sees and writes about the cultural importance of sports in society. And one of the essays is about going to a Richmond game with the young Waleed Aly. I'd add this in to the micro-stub article, but WP:NOR and all that. --Shirt58 (talk) 10:28, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

sigh
that was a lot of cleaning up you did there, thanks SatuSuro 00:28, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Just keep Perth's ugly men history coming! We should get the NLA to fix the all caps titties issue and stop calling The West the Perth Gazette to make it a bit easier.Cheers, The-Pope (talk) 00:39, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * If only one had the time and the resources - I suspect if you fed back to the trove gremlns they would fix it (the capitalising) for us... SatuSuro 08:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You WA types, you, what's all this about "Perth's ugly men"? (ps: I can see one of Hobart's ugliest men, just by looking in the mirror.) --Shirt58 (talk) 10:06, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * we WA ones dont even need mirrors, we just know anyways... SatuSuro 12:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

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bugger
I was trying to link your comments at the template re getting the Perth and WA tags happy together, and I forgot how to cite a section of a talk page elsewhere without going into edit... I hope you can fix. sorry to bother. SatuSuro 12:32, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Charlie Hicks notability
Good question, I'll have a bit of a look. I seem to recall I was going to add some more info to it. Hack (talk) 12:51, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Category: People from Subiaco, Western Australia
Can I ask why have you emptied the abovementioned category? Yes, Subiaco is a suburb of Perth, so? Is this a reason to remove the category altogether? If you have issues with a category, bring it to WP:CFD, don't single handedly empty it. -- Cycl o pia talk  17:08, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Other than being born in Subiaco, none of those people seemed to have any significant link to Subiaco. It's over categorisation at it's finest. I don't see any need to go to cfd, once it's empty, it can be csd'd in a few days time.  I live in Perth, and I really don't think that it will be contentious.  Perth's 2 biggest maternity hospitals are in Subiaco, so plenty of people are "from Subiaco" but virtually all would say that they are "from Perth". The-Pope (talk) 17:22, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Other than being born in Subiaco, none of those people seemed to have any significant link to Subiaco. - Being "from X" means "being born in X".
 * I don't see any need to go to cfd, once it's empty, it can be csd'd in a few days time. - That's exactly the consensus-skipping single-handed plan that I don't want to happen. If you have a populated category that needs to be erased/merged, please discuss it at WP:CFD and seek consensus.
 * I live in Perth, and I really don't think that it will be contentious. - Thank you for your original research, but it has little weight here. You may well be right, or not, but if you have an issue with the category because "virtually all would say they are from Perth", then bring it to discussion, please. Emptying the category one by one and then bringing the cat to csd is maliciously skipping process. -- Cycl o pia talk  17:28, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * the editor who created the cat did a similar edit a few hours ago. See Terry Alderman. Sometimes you should trust that local knowledge is worthwhile.  I'm not new to wikipedia, I know what I'm doing. Throwing accusations that I am acting "maliciously" is very petty and lacking good faith.  It's not like I'm changing nationality or religions.  I'm fixing an overly specific and misleading categorisation. You are just being overly bureaucratic about something of very little consequence and that you obviously know nothing about. WP:IAR is policy. The-Pope (talk) 17:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Deleting a populated and meaningful category is what WP:CFD is for. Just post it there and see what happens. It's not matter of being overly bureaucratic: it's that you don't have consensus to do this single handedly. Doing what you are doing is identical to blanking an article and then bringing it to WP:CSD as a way to delete an article without seeking consensus. It's exactly because I see you are not new to WP that you should know better. -- Cycl o pia talk  17:46, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I have every right to categorise articles into appropriate categories. Subiaco is not an appropriate category for those people. They are from Perth not Subiaco. And given the creator of the Subiaco cat did the exact same edit a few hours earlier, I'd say my consensus for change is better than yours.The-Pope (talk) 17:53, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Article creators don't own articles, but I'm happy to see that there is someone else on your wavelength. However that "Subiaco is not an appropriate category for those people" is very debatable -if you're born in X, then you're from X, no matter why, in my book. I'm glad you nominated the category for discussion so that consensus can be reached. -- Cycl o pia talk  17:58, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, The-Pope. That is exactly what WP:IAR is for. If it weren't for the ongoing discussion, I'd delete the category myself right now. I've removed it from Frank Ponta again. Graham 87 09:02, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Phil Cronan
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Dylan Buckley
Thank you for basically saving this out of AfD. I've withdrawn my nomination on the basis that the kid meets at least WP:GNG based on the sources you added. Cheers! § FreeRangeFrog 00:13, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

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