User talk:The44secs

Your submission at Articles for creation: TheSage (May 23)
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HenryTemplo (talk) 10:35, 23 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I have used other accepted articles of software as a template and, imho, have done a better job than many. Further, I fail to see how an article about a two decade old piece of software constitutes "advertisement".
 * You have failed to justify your claims. Please provide any evidence at all by comparing this article with existing ones. The44secs (talk) 01:49, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, @The44secs, I declined the draft because, as it stood then, it read to much like an advertisement (phrases like "TheSage is conceptualized as a knowledge database with a multi-tool interface." as well as long lists of features read as very promotional). This is a problem as all articles on Wikipedia need to be in line with the policy of Neutral Point of View (NPOV). If you could rewrite the draft to be less like an advert, and only summarise what independent, reliable, secondary sources have said about the software, that would be great. Happy editing! HenryTemplo (talk) 06:21, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You want an article that removes the specific information that describes the content of this dictionary/thesaurus and the features available to the user to interact with it.
 * Evidently, this is easy to do, even if it is counter-intuitive and evidently not applicable to the articles I used as templates or, for that matter, any article of minimal quality.
 * Please provide the list of articles that I ask for as evidence that your claims are not spurious as, unfortunately, they clearly seem to be. The44secs (talk) 06:50, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you may of misinterpreted what I meant. Parts of the article probably need to be rewritten, not removed, to make the tone of the article read as less promotional. To your point about providing other articles as "evidence", it is important to note that not every article that is on Wikipedia has gone through this process (See WP:WHATABOUT, which addresses this argument in the context of AfD). Happy editing! HenryTemplo (talk) 07:34, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * "Not every every article that is on Wikipedia has gone through this process", yet you can provide none that has and demand that this one must.
 * And this absurd criteria is the basis of your claim that "probably" parts (which specifically?) of the article need to be rewritten.
 * I must ask, to what end?
 * You have yet to provide any credible basis for anything other than your predisposition against this simple and straightforward article.
 * Please demonstrate otherwise by doing at least some of the editing that you require of this specific article if indeed you have any sincere intention of evaluating it honestly.
 * This inane exchange is certainly taking more of your time that it would to fix these alleged "promotional" problems.
 * Do show I beg you, if not with examples, at least by example. The44secs (talk) 08:48, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * First of all, if I tried to fix all of the articles I review, I wouldn’t have any time to do anything else! The duty is on you to make sure the draft fits all of the relavent policies and guidelines before submitting it for review. Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, I should know, the first article I started was deleted! Secondly, I have already given you examples of a promotional tone in the draft, it is up to you to address them. Thirdly, all articles that go through the AfC process should adhere to the policies and guidelines for articles, like, for example, NPOV, but not all articles are made through the AfC process, and AfC didn’t always exist. I hope I have addressed your concerns, now it is up to you to improve the draft to make sure it is suitable for Wikipedia. Happy editing! :) HenryTemplo (talk) 10:04, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yo have provided no evidence whatsoever to justify your claims. Not one.
 * Furthermore, you have systematically refused to provide any existing articles to imitate other than to say they do not follow or need to follow these "guidelines".
 * Last, you have dismissed that I am the one that has used existing articles as templates and, I repeat, have made sure to do better.
 * In short, this is a farce.
 * Go in peace, stranger. It's over. The44secs (talk) 22:11, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If you feel like you can fix the issues in the article, you can resubmit the article for review, and another editor might come along and accept the draft. In terms of evidence or templates, I would recommend looking at some good articles about software, as good articles go through a more rigorous quality check. Once again, happy editing! :) HenryTemplo (talk) 06:25, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 08:21, 30 October 2022 (UTC)