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 Sincerely, Jax 0677 (talk) 19:16, 28 September 2017 (UTC)  [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jax_0677&action=edit&section=new&preload=Template:Welcome_to_Wikipedia/user-talk_preload (Leave me a message)] Español

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September 2017
Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Unite the Right rally. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you.  General Ization  Talk   19:17, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * As a "student of journalism," you should know that a) Heyer's mother is not medically qualified to declare Heyer's cause of death, and b) cardiac arrest is a very common outcome of massive trauma, such as being hit by a motor vehicle, especially if accompanied by rapid and massive blood loss, e.g. traumatic amputation of an extremity. Your claim that she "suffered a fatal heart attack during the incident" implies that the trauma of being hit by a vehicle at high speed was not the direct cause of Heyer's death.  Your source does nothing to support that theory. The previous statement that Heyer "was fatally injured in the attack" represents neutral point of view;  your edit does not, in addition to being improperly sourced.  General Ization   Talk   19:27, 28 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply!


 * a)Nonetheless, one can reasonably assume Heather's mother did not pull this information out of nowhere and being immediate family, she was most likely given this information by medical personnel. As we cannot be 100% sure, I'll reword the information to include the statement was issued by her mother. Omitting this information entirely is problematic, seeing as this is the only Wikipedia article with substantial information regarding Heather Heyer and anyone tasked with researching the incident, as I have been, will consider this to be an important detail. Also, it is not "my claim" Heather died of a heart attack, it is her mother's claim.


 * b)Sorry, but you are mistaken -- there is no evidence to support the claim that Heather was "hit by a vehicle at high speed." In fact, video evidence suggests she was knocked down by panicked protesters. This lends more credence to the inclusion of her mother's statements, as anyone researching this incident will certainly want to report factual information. I will revise my edit to more accurately reflect the cause of death to be assumed from her mother's statements. I have faith we can remain objective here, as the talk page seems to have devolved into nonsense. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheAaliyahJones (talk • contribs) 19:56, 28 September 2017 (UTC)


 * There is an abundance of evidence, including eyewitness accounts and reports by law enforcement, that Heyer was hit by a vehicle at high speed. See cited sources in the article. Do not continue to introduce uncited theories in the article. If you do, you will be blocked from editing.  General Ization   Talk   20:05, 28 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your reply


 * As we should know, eyewitness accounts are not reliable. I have checked any and all sources mentioned in the article relating to Heather's death, read through them, and have not found any evidence or reports from law enforcement that Heather herself was hit by a vehicle at high speed. The available information states that Heather died after the car plowed into another vehicle, which then hit an additional vehicle, and there were several protesters who were hit, but Heather is not specifically said anywhere to have been hit by a vehicle. Furthermore, as I have already mentioned, video evidence suggests this is not the case.


 * May I ask which information I have added to the article is uncited, or incorrectly cited? My sole contribution is that according to Heather's mother, she died from a heart attack, and my source is her mother speaking directly to the camera saying her daughter died from a heart attack. If you can explain how this would cause me to be blocked from editing, I would be highly appreciative. TheAaliyahJones (talk) 20:44, 28 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I have already addressed the question about your citation above. As currently stated (with attribution to Heyer's mother), your edit is acceptable (to me), though barely. It may not be to other editors, and, since I suspect you were also the IP who introduced this information previously and was reverted by another editor, I encourage you to review our policy concerning edit warring so you can respond appropriately if it is reverted again. [Later: .] If it is, you will need to begin a discussion on the article's Talk page before introducing the information again.


 * Please stop posting replies on my Talk page; instead, please type your replies below. The discussion was started here and pertains to your edits, and there is no point in our trying to conduct a discussion about them on two different Talk pages simultaneously.  General Ization  Talk   20:54, 28 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your understanding. I'm fairly new to how messages work on here, but I'm learning. Sorry about that! :) TheAaliyahJones (talk) 20:59, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Having reviewed your edit and your source once again, I am again reverting your edit. First, there is nothing at your video source, nothing in Heyer's mother's statement, that suggests that she was "fatally injured ... after she suffered a heart attack". Your wording suggests that Heyer's heart attack (or cardiac arrest, not necessarily the same thing) preceded the incident, when this is not what your source says and it is known not to be true. Secondly, this has already been discussed extensively at the article's Talk page: see Talk:Unite the Right rally. Consensus has already been established to exclude this claim. You are welcome to participate in the discussion, and to try to change the consensus, but not to edit against consensus. If you revert again, I will follow the policy outlined at WP:EW.  General Ization  Talk   21:18, 28 September 2017 (UTC)


 * These gymnastics you guys are pulling to keep one little fact out of the article is hilarious. You already agreed the edit was acceptable. I guess you got chewed out by the hive-mind for being too objective. The fact remains that there is footage of Heather Heyer's own mother stating that she died from a heart attack. Anyone can go watch it. Coupled with the absolute lack of evidence that she was struck by a vehicle, this is an interesting bit of information that any reasonable person would include in the only article on Wikipedia which describes Heather Heyer's death. Omitting important information due to personal bias or some kind of political nonsense not only lowers the credibility of yourself, but this website as a whole.


 * I must come clean -- although I am a journalism major, I was not specifically tasked with investigating the Unite the Right incident. I'm completing a project detailing why Wikipedia is not generally accepted as a reliable source of information in academia. We were asked to provide evidence to support this argument, or provide evidence for the contrary. I chose to focus my report specifically on bias within the site. It was a simple enough task -- find a controversial social topic, investigate that topic, and compare the information gathered to information presented by Wikipedia. When I stumbled upon the interview of Heather's mother stating her daughter had died from a heart attack, I was surprised to find that information mentioned nowhere in the article. I then viewed the talk page and found a goldmine of content for my research. Not only was there an entire section dedicated to arguing over this one single fact, what I assume to be a moderator or otherwise a contributor held in high regard was literally name-calling, mudslinging, and acting with general fallaciousness in order to suppress information for reasons that defy all logic. There's no wonder this site is begging for donations. This has been an eye-opening experience, and one this girl can't wait to share with her peers. TheAaliyahJones (talk) 22:32, 28 September 2017 (UTC)


 * My discussion with you is done. Since you persisted even after multiple warnings, including a sanctions notice, you now need to take up the issue at Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement. Please share with your peers that we have a very low tolerance here for people who edit disruptively and persistently ignore multiple warnings to not make unsourced or poorly sourced statements in articles, and/or who misquote their own sources.  General Ization   Talk   22:36, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:33, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

September 2017
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be repeatedly reverting or undoing other editors' contributions at Unite the Right rally. Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is known as "edit warring" and is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be blocked from editing Wikipedia. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, and violating the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. Thank you.  General Ization  Talk   20:59, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

–dlthewave ☎ 21:32, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Please don't do it again, or I will block you for edit warring--unless another admin, one who's better at paperwork, comes by and gives you either a topic ban or a block based on the ArbCom decision referenced above. Drmies (talk) 22:07, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, Drmies, it's been done again. I reverted it. Same hogwash edit. Rockypedia (talk) 12:28, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Notification of Arbitration Enforcement
Hello: Please note that a request for enforcing a discretionary sanction against you has been filed at Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement. Thank you, –dlthewave ☎ 22:19, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

The project you mention
You write above " I'm completing a project detailing why Wikipedia is not generally accepted as a reliable source of information in academia." As someone who has done quite a bit of academic research in the past, that's a bit puzzling as I'd think it would require some sort of survey of academica, but never mind. However, will you please be open enough to let us have more details of the project including who is running it and how to contact them? That might help you as well. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 08:44, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I doubt you'll get that information, as I find the story about a "project detailing why Wikipedia is not generally accepted" highly suspect, for this reason: editor says above that "I stumbled upon the interview of Heather's mother stating her daughter had died from a heart attack." You have to google some pretty specific terms (like "heyer heart attack") to even get a whiff of that interview, and even when you do google that, all the results are either from white nationalist sites pushing that false narrative, or from a couple of sites that detail how the white nationalist sites are pushing that narrative. Either way, you don't just "stumble onto" that interview. Rockypedia (talk) 12:15, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

September 2017
To enforce an arbitration decision you have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block or other sanctions. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the guide to appealing blocks (specifically this section) before appealing. Place the following on your talk page:. If you intend to appeal on the arbitration enforcement noticeboard I suggest you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template on your talk page so it can be copied over easily. You may also appeal directly to me (by email), before or instead of appealing on your talk page. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:41, 29 September 2017 (UTC)  Reminder to administrators: In May 2014, ArbCom adopted the following procedure instructing administrators regarding Arbitration Enforcement blocks: "No administrator may modify a sanction placed by another administrator without: (1) the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or (2) prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" [in the procedure]). Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped."
 * Thank you, Ivanvector (and ). TheAaliyahJones, I think you're thinking you're on a crusade for The Truth, and maybe it feels good, and no doubt, if this is correct, this block feels like you're actually justified in your stance. Well, you're not--the edit you kept making was boneheaded for all the reasons given to you above and elsewhere, and stubbornness is a virtue only sometimes. It is also boneheaded to keep making the same edit over and over again when it has been explained to you that edit warring will lead to a block--such a block won't make a martyr out of you. If you really want to make this project better, I think you know what you can do; whether you can actually do that is for you to determine. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 14:20, 29 September 2017 (UTC)