User talk:TheClericNL

July 2023
Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contribution(s). I am glad to see that you are discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, while user talk pages permit a small degree of generaliation, other talk pages are strictly for discussing improvements to their associated main pages, and many of them have special instructions on the top. They are not a general discussion forum about the article's topic or any other topic. If you have questions or ideas and are not sure where to post them, consider asking at the Teahouse. Thanks. MrOllie (talk) 18:02, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Actually I am making the case for that page about pay to win to be created.
 * The section below my remark sais there needs to be more research for that.
 * It is odd that this perspective is not in the page about free to play yet at all, but it is vital imho that it gets mentioned and described in a lot of detail in a section on that new page about pay to win. My remarks are just ammo for that.
 * I have a 13 page document here with a lot more detail, but I wrote it for another purpose and it is not suitable for publication. But it contains already a wealth of insight. TheClericNL (talk) 18:42, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a place to discuss your personal moral objections, and your document would be unusable even if you did post it somewhere - see WP:NOR and WP:RS. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place to share your opinions. Consider getting a blog or using social media if you'd like to do that. MrOllie (talk) 19:04, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That is not the extent of the conclusion. Unsportivity is morally wrong. Match fixing in real sports is forbidden by law.
 * Also obviously pretty much I already said the document is not useful. But the knowledge it contains - my knowledge - can be useful writing the page. TheClericNL (talk) 19:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That is a common misconception. Wikipedia bases additions on cited sources (see WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:RS). Your personal knowledge isn't something we can use to write article content. MrOllie (talk) 19:09, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * It doesn't have to be cited. TheClericNL (talk) 19:10, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * On Wikipedia everything has to be cited. MrOllie (talk) 19:11, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * OK well, that is a problem that I can help solve. I am here because I can help writing that page or if that is better a section under the pay to win section in the existing page.
 * I think it is important. People need to know.
 * The problem with Wikipedia is that it is too complex honestly. And I see that talk page and the discussion on it is quite old, no telling whether people that were talking are still here.
 * But sending me to the teahouse I get an instant depression because I don't see how to go fom the teahouse to getting the right people involved. TheClericNL (talk) 19:29, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * This is really pretty simple - Wikipedia is not a place to discuss your opinions of the article subject, which is clearly what you were attempting to do on the talk page. I would suggest you find something where your opinions aren't so strong to get started, so you can learn how this project works. There are no 'right people' to get involved. Part of the Wikipedia ethos is that since we're all working from the same set of sources, everyone can do anything. MrOllie (talk) 19:40, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * So the statement was pretty bold to make sure my point comes accross which happened to backfire.
 * The right people are those that want to be involved and I suspect those people talking could be some of them.
 * What I was clearly trying to do because I explictely said it is to add an (in my opinion very strong) argument to add the page about pay to win, for which I had already seen arguments from 2017.
 * But can you stop looking like a bot spewing knowledge of wikipedia? My first message was "I wrote it for another purpose and it is not suitable for publication. But it contains already a wealth of insight." Why do I need 4 messages to make come accross pretty much just that? TheClericNL (talk) 20:27, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, my personal policy is that I'm done explaining when the insults start. Have a nice day - and do not use the talk page as a forum again. MrOllie (talk) 20:41, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, you're so touchy. I gave some sense of how well I understand Wikipedia with my first statement about the document I wrote, didn't I? And I wrote on Talk, not in Edit. Even though that wasn't perfect, either, that's better, isn't it?
 * You were just hasty or on autopilot. I forgave you for that immediately. I just try to get a little more out of you with regard to the practicalities of getting to write something.
 * The questions are in my previous messages. TheClericNL (talk) 20:54, 18 July 2023 (UTC)