User talk:TheDireMaster/Differences between book and film versions of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

Thank you to User:Thivierr for creating the table for the differences. I created this page for all 3 articles to link to, which I'm currently in the midst of adding the links. User:kevinsnow 22:46 01 Aug 2005

Hair Cream
The entry for Hair Cream for the 1971 movie says, "Not mentioned." This is not correct. I've just finished watching that movie, and there was a scene with Charlie and Grandpa Joe reading a sign on a door that listed multiple types of cream, ending with Hair Cream. Unfortunately, I watched it on TV, so I can't go back and see what it said and correct this page. Someone who owns the movie will need to review it and make the correction. Diggernet 08:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Wonka's Location
This article states that the Buckets are American, and this is simply untrue. I think whoever wrote that was using the line, "While we in America slept..." as a source. This line IN NO WAY implies that the Buckets are American. The producers of the film have stated that they chose Germany as a location so it would feel like it was no place in America. 69.248.65.105 02:56, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Poor weary soul. If it's on the air waves, it's true. -DocPoke


 * I quibble with the characterization that the final aerial shot of Charlie's town in 1971 looks like an "English village". I'm an iggurant American but to me it's bleeding obvious that the town we're seeing is in Germany, which is where principal photography took place. Ellsworth 21:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

In the 2005 version the characters have British accents but use a lot of Americanisms like Candy and Band-aid. I am not sure if this is an attempt to make their location more ambigious or if it is just to make the film easier for Americans to understand - PheonixUK

Screenwriting credits for Willy Wonka
The 1971 adaptation (Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory) was filmed after a shooting script written by David Seltzer. Author Roald Dahl's initial drafts were rejected. (Ibaranoff24 23:57, 6 October 2005 (UTC))

Rename
Shouldn't this page be called Differences between book and films of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory to conform to naming standards? — Cua HL   11:30, 2 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Any example(s) or link to standard. If that's the case, I wouldn't object. --rob 11:53, 2 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I can't find the Wikipolicy right now, but should have it by later. Articles usually use parenthesis to say what the subject of the title is (eg. 'film' or 'movie') and I've never seen them used for this. I'm part of Wikiproject FF and we see this all the time (ie. it should be 'List of...' or 'Table of...'. The article title just looks like it isn't right. — Cua HL   13:12, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I went ahead and moved the page based on your recommendation. I wasn't sure if this new one is too wordy or not. If anyone comes up with a more appropriate name, by all means move it again. Kevin 10:52 2 Aug 2005

Content
Regarding "Charlie's location" in the first film. I always assumed it was Canada. I remember a scene involving Charlie watching a TV reporter announcing the finding of one of the tickets saying something like "While we and America slept...". Anyone?


 * I always felt the idea in the first film was the NOT make it clear what country it was set in. --emb021

I don't have the book and haven't read it in more than 20 years, so I'm just able to compare the two films here. As such, I don't feel comfortable adding new items since I'm not as familiar with the book. But there are a couple things that are obviously missing: Violet and Mike came with different parents in the two films. Also the squirrels vs. geese (I believe they were squirrels in the book). And the scene in the first film where Charlie and Grandpa fly away (exclusive to that movie, I think). -- Krash 13:55, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

I just added an entry for Fizzy Lifting Drink, having researched it on the web in various reviews, and having read the book and seen both movies within the past year. There's a mention, but no theft, of fizzy lifting drink in the book. I hadn't noticed the obvious lack of squirrel / goose comparison. -- YeOldeGnurd 16:00, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Regarding the location of the second film: what clues that it's the UK? There's maybe a telling slip, if I remember it correctly: the banknote that Charlie finds in the street is labelled "currency units", but when he goes to spend it it's mentioned as "dollars".

Regarding the first comment, it's "While we in America slept...".

Special Prize and supply of chocolate
I think this is wrong on the table. All I can clearly remember is the new movie. I believe the poster/ticket mentioned a year's supply of chocolate and a special prize. The book and the other movie I believe offered either a lifetime supply or a year's supply. The book, I believe might have offered a special prize. The old movie makes no mention of the prize till the end, when Willy Wonka says that Charlie won, I believe. I'm not sure of all this, so I won't change the article, but can anyone else help me remember? --michael180 14:14, August 19, 2005 (UTC)


 * At the end of the first film, we learn the fate of ALL the other children when Wonka answeres Charlie's question and says they have all been sent home with their chocolate, maybe a little wiser from their experiences. --emb021

Charlie's dad/Setting of 1971 film
Mr Bucket is said to be dead by Mrs Bucket in the 1971 film.

Also, it can be stated that the 1971 film took place in the United States, because
 * 1) The producers said it takes place there. It was filmed in Germany, but for the scene outside of the Wonka Factory, they forgot to have American cars prepared. Diana Sowle (Mrs. Bucket) came to the rescue. At the time she was living on a U.S. military base in Germany so she asked her American neighbors if they could borrow their cars for the film. Several agreed and the problem was solved. The crew had the American cars that they needed to line the streets in the film.
 * 2) All of the locals in the film have American accents, except for Charlie's schoolteacher.
 * 3) In the film, there is a newsreport on television that shows Sotheby's auctioning the last box of Wonka bars in England, with the Queen phoning in a bid. It is after the auction takes place that Charlie walks to a local store filled with Wonka bars. Logically, Charlie is not in England.


 * Charlie's math teacher (1971 film) has a thick British accent and says "Right" instead of "Okay". I assumed the film was set in a large English city like maybe London. Also "sweets shop" instead of candy store, "tinker", and Violet and her Dad look and sound British, and so on.


 * It doesn't matter where it was filmed: a story set in WW2 Germany might be filmed in Eastern Europe. Uncle Ed 16:17, 1 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Are you CRAZY??? Violet's dad sounded very American to me (in fact, he's the spitting image of a stereotypical "used car salesman").
 * They were probably referring to Veruca and her father. It's easy to get the two names mixed up.

Right. Roy Kinnear was an excellent actor.


 * Point by point:
 * "The producers said it takes place there...The crew had the American cars that they needed to line the streets in the film." What "the producers said" is irrelevant. The film has to stand on its own, and cannot require additional knowledge in order to interpret it.  The film never makes it clear where the main action is taking place.  American cars in 1971 were quite large, yet all of the cars in the film are small, as were European cars at that time.  There are no cars in the film that are recognizable as American made.
 * "All of the locals in the film have American accents, except for Charlie's schoolteacher." A couple of people already addressed this.  You're imagining things.  All of the locals have British accents.  The Bucket family provides the only exceptions.  This is consistent with many British productions of the late 60s/early 70s intended for American sale: the bulk of the cast is British with the principals played by Americans.
 * "Logically, Charlie is not in England." Yes, but it is not logical to assume therefore that he is in the United States.  There are many English speaking countries where one might encounter British and American accents.  Since the story is after all a fantasy, why couldn't it be taking place in an unnamed fictional country?  Loompaland doesn't exist; why does the home of Willy Wonka have to be more real? Canonblack 21:13, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the teacher taught more than math. In his first scene, he was making "the greatest wart remover in the world". Maybe he was a regular teacher covering all the subjects. Could that be right? 71.111.209.99 23:35, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

JustPhil
I think there are some notable differences that should be added. - JustPhil 12:27, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Grandpa Joe seems to be different in the 1971 film. He still holds on to hope after Charlie's present comes out ticket-less. In the new film, he says "That's that". Also, Joe (in the 1971 film) appears to be a little more younger than the novel describes, possibly so he could do the I 've Got a Golden Ticket number.
 * The Bucket's house is different. In the book, it is one room (the Great Glass Elevator destroys it). The 1971 film appears to have two rooms. And in the new film, it is very crooked in every dimension and also has a tiny second floor (the damage from the Elevator isn't as bad).
 * The way the family learns of the tickets varies. In the novel, they learn of the tickets through Mr. Bucket's newspaper; the grandparents all reacted with disgust at the four "bad children". In the 1971 film, the audience is informed of the ticket findings, which are preceded with the scenes with the physiatrist and the computer guy. We don't see the reactions of the grandparents that are shown in the book. In the new film, the grandparents learn of the ticket through TV reports and once again we see their reactions.

In the book, there are two rooms. The grandparents sleep in one room on the bed and the other three sleep in the other room on mattresses on the floor.

In the 1971 film, there appear to be several rooms.

AfD result
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Parents
There are differences in the parents who accompany the kids on the tour.... eg. with Mike Teavee, in the '71 film it's his mum while in '05 film it's his dad. Can anyone help with a definitive list to add to the table.... --Jquarry 03:33, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Oompa Loompas
... "barely human" in the 2005 film???!!!! A bit harsh, considering actor Deep Roy player each OL pretty much as himself, ie. without any campy orangy makeup like the 1971 film. He looks more human than Willy Wonka!!!!

1971-Mr. Bucket
Why is it that we keep changing Mr. Bucket in the 1971 film to "presumed dead"? Grandma Josephine says (in the first scene at the Bucket's house) "If only his father were alive". He was dead in the first film, possibly because they didn't think he fit in. Interestingly, they were thinking of killing him in the new film.- JustPhil 16:55, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Family movies and TV shows of that era always seemed to have somebody dying. Mr. Bucket was dead in the first movie to add a little drama.

Dates
For the tour dates, I put the year that either the book was published or when the movie came out. For the '71 film, I put 1970 because the movie came out in Summer '71. Get it?

I partially dissagree. As regards the day of the month, it is clearly stated in all three mediums. It gets a bit more faulty regarding the weekday; I personnaly do not remember any mention of the weekday in either the book or the '71 film, wile in the '05 film they clearly state it is tuesday, in concern for Veruca as the incinorator is lit on tuesday. But regarding the year I think we should not state anything. A major production point on both films was not to pin the time or place to anthing specific.

The Boat
I had added information from the 2005 previews, which was cut from the movie, where Wonka tells Augustus not to lick the boat, and it was cut from the article. Since a lot of people would have seen the previews and expect it to be canon, shouldn't that information be allowed? Gentaur 07:35, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Why would they have that in the trailers? Augustus was sucked up before the boat appeared (in the book, Wonka tells Mike not to like the walls of the boat).- JustPhil 21:18, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, brain fart. It was a different kid than Augustus about to lick the boat, but it was shown in the trailers and not the movie. Gentaur 02:50, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I would have loved to have seen that scene. Sounds interesting. --Rachel Cakes 09:42, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Songs
The songs were suspected to be rehearsed in the second movie, but not the first. Was there any suspicion in the book? Gentaur 17:07, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Look of Wonka
The image of Wonka from the books is not the original - it is the 1998 Quentin Blake illustration.

Does anyone have the Joseph Schindelman original to add? --86.155.72.201 21:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

i feel obliged to point out that not many carefir the schindelman illustration of wonka (too dwarf/elf-like).

50p piece clanger
Greetings All, Just a wee point - there is no way that the original story, when published in the UK could have had a reference to the 50p coin - it did not come into circulation until Decimal Day, 15 February 1971. Maybe later editions were modified, but certainly not the first edition. Regards, --Technopat 01:27, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Swearing or not (in the book)
'Wonka describes one of the Oompa Loompas as an "ass"' - yes, but this isn't necessarily swearing at all. If (big if, granted) the story is set in Britain, then when it was published "ass" was *in no way* the same word as the American "ass"/British "arse". It was simply from "you silly ass" etc, and phrases like that were very common in old-fashioned British children's stories in an age where even the mildest swearing would have caused a furore. I don't think the book's "ass" can possibly be what's being implied by the box in this article 81.159.58.43 04:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC) correction slugworth is seen in WWATCF three times