User talk:TheFarix/Archive 13

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Hi there
Konnichiwa TheFarix you know, i was checking your user page and i realized that you watch as most anime as i do, it`s nice to meet another people that love anime and manga as i do. Well later i will contact you `couse i need some help  with one of your image for an article of the wiki in Spanish. José Kusanagi (talk) 21:01, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Feedback requested
This might intrest you: Reliable sources/Noticeboard AnimeCons.com is being questioned as a reliable source and it is used in alot of articles. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:31, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Suggestions on page image
Hi, I saw you uploaded this photo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Suite_PreCure_vol_1.jpg

Could you please replace it with a four-Cure (complete group) photo or the official logo? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CureMiracle (talk • contribs) 07:31, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back!
Hi TheFarix and welcome back to Wikipedia! Your contributions have been greatly missed. What took you so long? and by the way, can you please check these articles? Any help in improving them would be greatly appreciated. Again, welcome back! Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)  Hello TheFarix, Narutolovehinata5 has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Anime News Network's Lexicon
Hi,

First, welcome back. Even though I know I've gotten into a couple arguements with you here in the past, I think you do a great job in generally keeping anime and manga articles here in good shape, so I'm glad to see you have returned. Anyway, I reverted your edit on Children's anime and manga because I think Anime News Network's Lexicon could possibly be considered a reliable source. Entries to the lexicon can only be added by staff, though it does say that anyone can email the chief encyclopedist with suggested additions. I'm personally of the opinion that any area of the site that is totally under the control of staff members is reliable, though perhaps more discussion is needed on whether staff edited sections outside the news/reviews/columns are reliable or not. Calathan (talk) 23:07, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * The fact that anyone can still email an addition or change, even if the pages themselves are only editable by staff, would make the Lexicon unreliable. There would be no way to tell the user submitted content from content added by the staff. At best, it is an extremely low-quality source that should always be replaced by a better source. But since people are far too lazy to replace such low-quality sources, it would be better not to reference it at all. —Farix (t &#124; c) 00:05, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think I agree that something posted by a staff member is unreliable if it originated from a user. Once the staff member has reviewed it, presumably edited it if necessary, and posted it themselves, it has the backing of the site's staff as reliable information.  I would agree though that it is a low quality source, but my bigger concern is that I'm not sure how much editorial oversite the lexicon gets (i.e. I don't know if it is reviewed by a second staff member like a news story would be).  I personally think that having a low quality but generally accurate source is better than no source at all, though certainly replacing it with a better source would be preferable. Calathan (talk) 02:05, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back =)
I also want to say Welcome back as well. :) Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:29, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Me too. Long time no see Farix.Tintor2 (talk) 23:25, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Sword Art Online
Hello. I'd like to inform you of a discussion on Sword Art Online's talk page. You see, SAO has a big terminology section (like the one that Shakugan no Shana used to have, only more fancrufty) and the discussion indicates that it should either be removed or merged to more encyclopedic sections. Can you try and merge such information? If you can't, it's alright, but it's never too bad to try. Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:32, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

BLPProd of Tsuneo Maeda
I removed the BLPProd of Tsuneo Maeda as there were two references, albeit unreliable, present. No references whatsoever is required for a BLPProd. Bgwhite (talk) 06:08, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, a reference to at least one reliable sources is required to remove a BLPProd. ("As of March 2010, all newly created biographies of living people must have at least one reference to a reliable source.") Since you did not provide a reference to a reliable source, I've restored the prod tag. —Farix (t &#124; c) 09:33, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Try reading WP:BLPPROD. "To place a BLPPROD tag, the process requires that the article contain no sources in any form (as references, external links, etc.), which support any statements made about the person in the biography" (bold not mine).   There were two external links present when you placed the BLPPROD tag.  You cannot place the BLPPROD tag to begin with. Bgwhite (talk) 20:50, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you should try reading the page yourself. It states, "To be canceled, this process requires the presence of at least one reliable source that supports at least one statement made about the person in the biography. Do not remove the until the biography has at least one such source." Since no such reliable source supporting any information is present in the article, the tag must remain. You cannot use links to well known unreliable sources as grounds to remove a BLPPROD tag. —Farix (t &#124; c) 20:55, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * This is not about canceling. This is about placing the tag in the first place.  You cannot add the BLPPROD in the first place as there were two sources present.  BLPPROD tag cannot and should not be added.  If the cannot bed added it has to be removed. Bgwhite (talk) 20:59, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * The BLPPROD tag can be added to any biographical article that does not have a single reliable source and was created after March 18, 2010. Since this article did not have a least one reliable source, it was perfectly legitimate to tag it with the BLPPROD tag. —Farix (t &#124; c) 21:02, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Read the second sentence in WP:BLPPROD. Try reading the first sentence and first rule at BLPPROD.  It requires NO SOURCES AT ALL.  It does not say reliable. Bgwhite (talk) 21:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * If it requires a reliable source to remove the tag, then it must have a reliable source to avoid the tag. —Farix (t &#124; c) 21:06, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * You are obviously not reading. From second sentence at BLPPROD, Please note that this is a different criterion than is used for sources added after the placement of the tag. There has to be NO SOURCES.  It never says reliable.  Do not infer what is not said.  Also see discussion at admin Ironhold's User_talk:Ironholds. Bgwhite (talk) 21:11, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Altering a policy page to back up your point on a policy dispute is whole inappropriate. So I will go by the wording before your alteration earlier today. —Farix (t &#124; c) 21:15, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't alter anything. I copied the sentence from BLPPROD.  Just read BLPPROD for pete sake and go by what BLPPROD actually says. Bgwhite (talk) 21:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for making unfounded accusations that I modified BLPPROD while having a dispute with you. Doubly for going to noticeboards and saying the same thing. Your failure to read BLPPROD or the talk page of BLPPROD and then make accusations is appalling. Bgwhite (talk)
 * Just to butt in; TheFarix, Bgwhite modified the guideline yesterday following a discussion where I (an administrator!) was also confused by the wording, and got something wrong as a result. I asked him to make things clearer, he did. He's not conspiring to win an argument with you, here, but he is right: the tests for adding and removing the tags are not perfect mirror images. This is silly, but it's an issue that should be taken up at the talkpage if you want to change it. Bgwhite is simply trying to help, and is correct in his statements about what the test is. Ironholds (talk) 22:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

File move requests
Hello and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I moved one of the three requests, the other two were denied. Please see the criteria for moving files at File mover. The only reason I moved the one file (File:Rv01 c01a fushichou.kimera001.jpg) is because it met criterion #2 (Change from completely meaningless names into suitable names, according to what the image displays). Please also only change the file name on an article until after the file has been moved (which the filemover will normally do.) -- Cheers, Riley Huntley  talk 03:33, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * File request move . Please follow the above guidelines. :) -- Cheers, Riley Huntley  talk 01:43, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see how that one was deny as the file name is rather cryptic and doesn't describe what the image is. I request a second opinion on that. Besides, I don't know what the Freemason Wikiproject has to do with file names. —Farix (t &#124; c) 01:50, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Forgive me, I meant WP:FILEMOVER. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley  talk 02:15, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, are you going to restore the template for a second opinion or must I do that? —Farix (t &#124; c) 02:22, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I only move files, subject to policy. If you feel it is appropriate, you may restore the template and have someone else move the file. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley  talk 03:07, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * And what policy would that be? WP:FILEMOVER is a how-to page and doesn't set any policies. WP:IFN is the guideline on file names and it directs to use descriptive file names, which CRC-cover.jpg would not be. Anyways, I'll restore the rename template. —Farix (t &#124; c) 03:48, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've declined your request. WP:FILEMOVER is de facto policy; even if it's not marked as such, all of the file movers are going to follow it.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  04:31, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not a policy. Even a previous RFC on the talk page did not support promoting it as a policy or a guideline as there were going to be cases, such as with File:CRC-cover.jpg, that don't strictly fall into one of the 8 accepted rationales. Even the page states that those are just the 8 most widely accepted reasons to rename a file, not does not state that those are the only acceptable reasons. —Farix (t &#124; c) 04:38, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Riley Huntley is not going to change it. I'm not going to change it. I really fail to see what the big deal is.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  04:41, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The deal is to provide a name that actually describes the image. CRC-cover.jpg is crypic as one wouldn't know what CRC stands for. I'm not exactly sure why you both are denning a rename request that would have been no problem a few months ago. —Farix (t &#124; c) 04:45, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It has nothing to do with time, and everything to do with that the name is fine as it is.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  05:02, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Larval Stage Planning
Hi TheFarix. I've just translated the Spanish article of Larval Stage Planning. I'm about to publish it, but I would like to first have any comments before doing so. Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:06, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I just glanced over the article and made some minor capitalization changes to comply with MOS:CAPS and delinked Japan because you generally shouldn't link common terms (see WP:OVERLINK. The sources seem reliable, but I'm not that familiar with J-pop or music sources. —Farix (t &#124; c) 14:15, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * So in this case, is the article good to go? Larval Stage Planning is already a redirect to I've Sound, so all I need to do is copy the article. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:35, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking back though the references, they all appear to be first-party sources. Unless one of their singles charted on Oricon, the article is likely to be deleted. They may also get by with criterion #10 of WP:MUSICBIO with their two anime theme songs. So I recommend looking through ANN's archives to see if there is a news post mentioning them doing one or both songs. At least then, you will meet the one third-party source requirement of WP:NOTE. Beyond that, the sourcing of the article looks fine to me other than the fact that the references need to have a consistent format. —Farix (t &#124; c) 17:47, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply. Yes, I'm working on changing the references so that they will have templates. Apparently their three singles all charted, so that's a good sign. Strangely, there aren't any ANN news articles, so I'll probably have to rely on Japanese sources. I'll make a few fixes here and there but once those are done, is it ready to be sent to the namespace? Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:31, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Filemover criteria
I don't understand the first part of your comments at Wikipedia talk:File mover; could you please return and expand on your comments? To me, it sounds as if you're opposing because we have the WP:ITN guideline, but the proposal under discussion is that we expand the scope of WP:ITN. Nyttend (talk) 17:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Son Goku naming
Hi! In light of the naming dispute involving Goku, I did some searches for English RSes that mention the full name Son Goku. I found quite a few: Talk:Goku WhisperToMe (talk) 03:02, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at WT:ANIME on School Rumble
Hello. Would just like to let you know that I've left a message on the WikiProject's talk page. Hope you will be interested. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:13, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

What's up with you?
ANY anime fan knows about anime fillers. Asking for citations for such a COMMON and WIDESPREAD knowledge is a very, very stupid action - if anything add a GODDAMN [citation needed] tag instead of deleting other people's work. You're too full of yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WolfgangAzureus (talk • contribs) 15:27, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Two of Wikipedia's core polices are verifiability and no original research, the third being maintaining a neutral point of view. All content on Wikipedia must be verifiable through reliable, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Any information that cannot be verified though reliable sources is subject to challenge and removal. Forum posts and other Wikis are no reliable as they do not have such reputations. Anyone can post anything, true of false, on a forum like MyAnimeList or edit a Wiki like the Naruto Wikia, these are not reliable sources. Second, original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist. Calling anime-original episodes or story arcs as "filler" will fall into that category. Will fans may call such episodes "filler", that doesn't make it any less an application of original research. —Farix (t &#124; c) 16:35, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Gyo!
You're back! Color me surprised! =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:46, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

LESSON
THE ANIME IT WAS TRANSLATED TO ARABIC, ARE U UNDERSTAND?

I KNEW IT.--OSAKA_JET 16:50, 5 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Takahara Osaka (talk • contribs)


 * Where are the reliable sources stating that Chameleon (manga) has been licensed in Arabic? The YouTube link appears to be a fandub, which isn't a reliable source. —Farix (t &#124; c) 20:32, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Lesson
The Anime Japanese, to moved in Saudi Arabia, you see the movie matrix?

Do you want kill me, and my future?--OSAKA_JET 17:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Takahara Osaka (talk • contribs)


 * Wait, are you threatening me? It's hard to tell since your English is so bad. But how does removing unsourced material in accordance with Wikipedia's verifiability polices "kill me, an my future"? But anyways, you have one week to provide sources or the content will be removed again. —Farix (t &#124; c) 20:35, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Replacement of Image on Senki Zesshō Symphogear
Hello there, I would like to have the reason as to why the image of the Senki Zesshō Symphogear video poster has been replaced by the DVD cover? If you do not reply by October 12,2012 I will undo the replacement. Thank you for your cooperation--Bumblezellio (talk) 12:56, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The reason is that the cover of a DVD or manga (depending on if the original work is an anime or manga) is the preferred image to illustrate and identify a series. Promotional images are only used as a temperately measure, if they are used at all, or when a quality cover image cannot be found. I would also note that the promotional image does not have an appropriate non-free use rational as required by WP:NFCC. —Farix (t &#124; c) 13:04, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Well that was a quick response. Thank you for your answer. The image can be deleted within 1 week.--Bumblezellio (talk) 13:09, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

"Seiyu" removals
Hi TheFarix, I was wondering if the removal of links to seiyu was actually a good idea in this case. I see you've left MOS:FOREIGN as an explanation for these edits, but in many (most?) of the cases it looks like the link to Voice acting in Japan was actually intentional rather than just a foreign way of saying Voice acting. I think MOS:FOREIGN only applies to terms, not to a link's destination, right? So maybe you should be relinking to "Voice acting in Japan" (although that's also debatable under WP:NOTBROKEN) instead of to "Voice acting". What do you think? -Thibbs (talk) 20:04, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * A link on a Japanese voice actor/actress page in the introduction is justified, but WP:OVERLINK states to avoid linking common terms and phrases unless they are particularly relevant to the topic of the article. In most cases a link to Voice acting in Japan wouldn't be any more relevant than linking to Voice acting, Acting, or Singing. Besides, most of those links were created back when fans wanted to promoted the term in English by making a non-neutral distinction between Japanese voice actors and all other voice actors. But you if think a link may be relevant, go ahead and re-add it. —Farix (t &#124; c) 21:20, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh no worries if it's just to cure overlinking. I don't know anything about POV-pushing the term, but I'll take your word for it. -Thibbs (talk) 03:23, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

English anime Licensee
Hey, I was wondering if you can add France on there since Jormungand (manga) apparently has a French Licensee. Thanks.-- iGeM iN  ix  17:48, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't that be in the French language? It's worth mentioning in the text of the article, but not something we put in the infobox. —Farix (t &#124; c) 20:19, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Lol, oh right. So should I just leave the France licensee in the infobox or no?-- iGeM iN  ix  20:28, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, move them out of the infobox and mention them in the text along with the sources. —Farix (t &#124; c) 20:30, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright, done and thanks.-- iGeM iN  ix  20:42, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Masato Yamanouchi move
Yamanouchi is a name "yama no uchi". It's not a long o sound, but "no uchi" with a u sound, so it shouldn't be moved to a macron version. JoshuSasori (talk) 12:58, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit Summaries
Hi, I've been noticing some edits by you showing up on my watch list without any edit summaries. If you could please provide edit summaries when making edits, I would really appreciate that, and I'm sure other people would as well. Calathan (talk) 15:34, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Not vandalism
Hey Farix, just wanted to point out that this was not vandalism, but disruptive editing. Regards,  Good raise  03:53, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

October 2012
Hi TheFarix:

I have reason to believe you vandalized the page Cowboy Bebop. Because of this, I have undone you're edit. If you have any questions, feel free to respond on my Talkpage. Thank you.

KazLabz (talk) Respond on my TALKPAGE! 00:37, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi TheFarix,

I apologize. "Vandalism" was an overstatement. Clearly, the edit was made in good faith. But you created some nonsense dead links. I reverted them. I'm sorry I accuses you of being a vandal; I'm in a bit of a hurry trying to freeze vandals in their tracks! If you have any questions, feel free to respond on my Talkpage. Thank you.

KazLabz (talk) Respond on my TALKPAGE! 00:42, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi TheFarix,

Again, I apologize. I'm still training to become a better editor, so please excuse the undo. This is, in all honesty, my FIRST day trying to track down vandals. So mistakes may be made. Thank you for addressing the situation with me. If you have any questions, please feel free to respond on my Talkpage. Thank you.

KazLabz (talk) Respond on my TALKPAGE! 00:48, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi TheFarix,

Okay, I'm going to settle this quickly. When I stumbled upon you're edit, the links seemed to be non-functional. I informed you, and this happened. I realize I have made this mistake. Again, thank you for informing me about my mistake. If you have any further questions, please respond on my Talkpage.

KazLabz (talk) Respond on my TALKPAGE! 00:52, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello. The links, when not properly examined, looked as if they were dead. Unfortunately, I overlooked this. Mistakes were made, and I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused for you. Thank you.

KazLabz (talk) Respond on my TALKPAGE! 00:57, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi TheFarix. Just wanted to offer my apologies on Kevin12xd's ("Kazlabz") behalf - he's new to RC patrolling and, whilst enthusiastic, still needs a bit of guidance (which I'm trying to provide). Sorry for the trouble you've been put to. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 07:39, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

User:Newlife512
FYI: Sockpuppet investigations/DragoLink08. JohnInDC (talk) 02:16, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Anime article
I saw your edits to the definition, and I just thought I'd note there are plenty of sources suggesting specific anime (not all anime) is intended for an adult audience. I agree the wording can be problematic, but it's pretty much exactly what's in the dictionary. As for Merriam-Webster being more or less notable than American Heritage, that's not a value judgment I'm comfortable making, and, if it were me, I'd be cautious when removing a source. Overall, I like your edits there, though, so cheers and happy editing. --Xaliqen (talk) 09:23, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations
If you like you can add this userbox to your collection.

```Buster Seven   Talk  13:44, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Couple proposals
i added a few proposals that might benefit the wikiproject. I would really loike any input so i came here to ask at least an opinion on it.Lucia Black (talk) 20:17, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Notification
Just letting you know this happened. Just in case you don't have the page on watchlist. BOVINEBOY 2008 10:45, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Mami Kawada
Hi TheFarix. Just asking if you would want to take up fixing this article. It could use quite a bit of improvement. If not, do you have any suggestions on what can be done with the article, as well as sources that can be used? Thank you and happy editing. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:44, 6 November 2012 (UTC)


 * That is outside my realm of experience. The best I can do with biography articles is to reformat their filmographies/bibliographies and add sources where I can. —Farix (t &#124; c) 14:47, 6 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Well thank you anyway. Maybe you could take a look at her discography article, since the tables may need updating. Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:49, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Answer
Hey, in response to the question you posted on my talk page I thought that it repeated itself too many times when it didn't at all. My mistake... Cheers! §h₳un  9∞76   00:00, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Princess Mononoke plot discussion
Just to let you know that there is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film and Talk:Princess Mononoke regarding the plot's length and complexity of Princess Mononoke. Regards, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:46, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Anime
Hi. I remember me from a few years back? Can you remember why it was that you showed an obvious dislike to me and what articles I tried to delete? I also created a "Clean up anime" tag or something too didn't I?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  14:14, 11 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I've searched trough Wikipedia and cannot find a single case where either of use interacted other that we both participated in the same AfD of Boba Phat. Would that have been under another account and can you give specific article. I don't remember every user I had a conflict with unless it was a long-term ongoing dispute, like with Dream Focus. —Farix (t &#124; c) 17:50, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I remember the argument with you very well and I created a template such as Template:Cleanup manga or something which put articles in a category called something like Category:All anime/manga needing cleanup or something, maybe that rings a bell? I criticized how many articles contained unsourced in universe info and about merging characters into lists and also questioned why it was necessary to have an article on every seiyu. It must have been 3 years ago I think, although I think the most recent was maybe early 2011. I vaguely remember NihonJoe commenting in the background but it was you I definitely had the most words with.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  18:34, 11 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I still don't recall interacting with you. If we did and I have forgotten, then it would be to your advantage to let sleeping dogs lay. So why are you contact me? —Farix (t &#124; c) 21:26, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

7 Seeds
Hi TheFarix!

I'm really pleased that you are interested in "7 Seeds" as well and that you took the time to work on improving the 7 Seeds wikipedia site! :-) Some of your changes were really helpful, and I look forward to working together with you to inform the Wikipedia community properly about "7 Seeds".

I would have some suggestions about the design of the 7 Seeds page though due to some certain reasons. Would you please hear me out and then tell me what your opinion is about my thoughts?

You were probably a bit puzzled as to why I designed the page with so much free space. This has a certain reason. During my time at school, I met some nice pupils with dyslexia in a special class and learned a bit about how difficult it is for them to read big, chunked blocs of text.

They are terribly disadvantaged by the standard text formattings in Print and the puzzling text blocs on the internet. So I decided if I ever publish text, I’ll try designing it as visually comfortable as possible for this group of readers, too. They shouldn’t be discriminated even in the web.

Since I'm handicapped as well, I’d really like to take the needs of handicapped people (who might be interested in this article but might be scared due to the big blocs of text) into account even if it’s "just" a manga article. Thus, I’d really like to keep the table the way it was before as long as it doesn’t really disturb anyone.

An easy, open and well-arranged design is much more reader-friendly after what I experienced on the Internet. That's also why in the manga section there was some space between each volume left; it should help the readers to not mix up the volumes and contents and made it optically more appealing.

I agree with you that there was quite a lot of stuffed together text especially hard to read, and I was already planning to do something about it. But you were maybe a bit too enthusiastic over it in my opinion; especially the meanings of the characters' names play a great role in the manga "7 Seeds" and thus are important information on the wikipedia page.

Same goes for many of the links you deleted; I for example am no native English speaker or Japanese and so I had to follow various links to understand the page's informations better. So I'd suggest to keep the links as far as possible as well as long as they don't distract the flow of the reading.

I would like to find a good compromise with you on the points I mentioned. Maybe we could undo your latest editing for now, and then work together with you and Cyn starchaser to improve this site and make it perfect to appeal to any reader audience and their needs?

I truly appreciate the effort you put into editing this site (it must have been lots of work!), but I honestly am not really happy about the way how you didn't contact the main editors in their talk pages before editing and just deleted away most of their hard efforts too.

This causes angry feelings in those whose work was just suddenly disregarded and put away into the wastebin. Talking about each other's ideas about the talk pages of 7 Seeds or the editors can prevent this and stop the start of an editing war.

For example, about the Characters Section: I agree with you that it needs a different design and better readability. But I wouldn't go about it just deleting the paragraph marks, butchering the text and stuffing the rest of the lines together.

Instead, I tried creating a table which would give all the information quickly and be optically easily surveyed. It would even have some space left to insert images later. (I am currently trying to get the permission from the author to insert the images of the volume covers and small thumbnails of the main characters' faces. It would greatly raise the quality of the site.)

I enveloped a test example for the table below this letter. The thumbnail on the first table is probably too large, but I'm not as experienced as you yet on wikipedia, so I didn't quite know yet how to re-size it percentual to the height of Natsu's character section.

As for the manga section - like I mentioned earlier, they'd be better readable if the empty lines are there.

Thus, I would suggest that I undo the previous edits of yours and instead insert the characters' information in this tables.

What do you think about my suggestions? Would you feel up to working together with Cyn starchaser and me to improve this wikipedia article? We surely could use your experience, but we'd also ask you to hear out our opinions as well before editing our hard work.

Thank you very much in advance for your answer!

Yours sincerely,

NatsuX (talk) 14:27, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


 * First, adding triple spaces between paragraphs produces a line break at the begging pf each paragraph, which is invalid HTML syntax. I also don't see why 7 Seeds should be formated any differently from every other article on Wikipedia. If you like to have the spacing between paragraphs increased to help those with handycaps, then you need to bring the topic up at MediaWiki talk:Common.css so that the change can be implemented across Wikipedia via the cascading style sheets. You may even want to contact WP:WPACCESS about increasing spacing between paragraphs. However, I must remind you that you are not the publisher of the content of the page, Wikipedia is and you must conform the the formating standards that have already been established but the Wikipedia community.


 * The links I removed were to common words that would be understandable to most English readers nor were the links particularly relevant to the topic. Just because someone who is not a fluent English reader may not understand those common terms is not reason to link them. See, WP:OVERLINK for details.


 * As for the meaning of the names, can you show through reliable, third-party sources that they have significants in the development of the story? Because without such sources, not only is adding the meanings trivia, but also original research via synthesis.


 * There appears to be a lot of trivial characters on the list. Just because a character appears in the manga doesn't mean that they are significant to the plot and should be listed on the article. The character list should be reduced to the characters that have a relevant role in the plot. If all you can say about a character is "A young man who acts like a playboy," or "A 12-year-old genius," then those characters should be removed from the list. The animal section in particular doesn't give any reason as to why these specific animals are significant to the plot. If a particular animal is the pet/companion of a specific character, then it should be combined in the character's description instead of having a separate entry. Also, it would be best to divide the list up based on main characters, supporting/secondary characters, and other (significant) characters or between protagonists, antagonists, and other (significant) characters.


 * All non-free images must meet the requirements of WP:NFCC. It is highly unlikely that the manga creator will release her images into the public domain or under a free-use licensee.


 * Over all, the article appears to be a fanpage masquerading as an article with what appears to be a great deal of original research in the meanings and significants of the character names, Setting section, and Production section. The is almost entirely in-universe information with very little real world context or significance outside of Shogakukan Manga Award and sales rankings. Articles about fiction must focus on the real world context as required by WP:NOT and WP:WAF, at which this article provides none. —Farix (t &#124; c) 15:38, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


 * If you want examples of what you should try to strive for with 7 Seeds, I would recommend you look at this list of quality anime and manga articles as a reference point. —Farix (t &#124; c) 15:47, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

The Naming Of The Matter...

Hi, The Farix!

Thank you very much for your detailed answer. I guess you are right in most of the things you said. I guess I'll put off that space thing for the moment then and leave the optical appearance and link amount as you made it for now.

But about the names: they do have a lot of significance for 7 Seeds because the book itself mentions the meanings and the fact that they were chosen based on their names (relating to being kigo - seasonal words used in Japanese poetry). If I use the original Japanese volumes as my source, it should be alright to include the names and make the characters section more well-arranged using the character tables I showed you before, right?

As to the amount of people - pretty much all the characters listed there get a reasonable amount of screentime. And regarding the characters that don't have much of a description: it is because it would probably cause spoilers for readers if more was written about them, like Ryusei for example.

It is also easier for wiki readers if the characters are grouped in their respective teams because there are several main characters, each from different teams, and the story arcs tend to follow single teams and groups of teams. The cast of characters is so huge, that it would be easier to remember who is who by considering who they are in their team.

About the animals: as I said, many of them play an important role, but they don't always stick to just one character. But if I group them with their "main teams" (Spring, Summer...), it should be alright to keep them around?

Well, I guess the likelihood of Tamura-sama allowing free images is little, but one can still hope, right...? ;-)

Your explanations were very detailed and I could understand your reasonings, except for the last paragraph. Could you explain that a bit more to me? I don't quite get what you meant there. Isn't a fictional story mostly never "with very little real world context"? What did you mean by this?

Thank you very much in advance for your help,

NatsuX (talk) 15:10, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Names: Is the fact that the groups are divided based on the characters' names the only significant reason? Then it only needs a brief mention in the plot section. There is no need to explain the meanings of every character's name.


 * Spoilers: I must point you to WP:SPOILER. Editors should not be removing, organize, or withholding details on the bases that the details may be considered a spoiler. If you cannot give a description of a character's role in the plot, then I have to question whether the character is significant at all. Also, it is not about "screen time" that determines if a character should be listed, it is about what role the character plays in advancing the plot. If they are just "there" and don't do anything, then they shouldn't be listed no matter how many panels they appear in.


 * Animals: Why are these animals significant to the plot? You say that many of them play an important role in the plot, but the article doesn't explain what roles they play. But based on the descriptions on the article, they are just there as props or "extras". At which point, they should be removed from the article.


 * Real world context: All articles on works of fiction should focus on why the work is significant to the real world. Any plot details given in the article should be in support of of that goal. As it stands, this article doesn't describe the work in a real world context as it covers a number of what appears to be extremely minor characters, and that is just about it. I will once again direct you to the list of quality articles—more specifically, the Featured Articles Madlax, School Rumble, and Tokyo Mew Mew. If you will notices, very little of the article's content is dedicated to plot details. Instead, these articles describe their respective works from a real world perspective to describe why they are important. But even in places where they do cover the plot details, they give the details fully. Good Articles Love Hina, Outlaw Star, Wandering Son, and Shakugan no Shana are also some examples to follow. —Farix (t &#124; c) 15:31, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Alright

Hi The Farix!

Thank you once more for your detailed answers! :-D I guess I'll leave the site as you changed it, then.

To keep this wikipedia site from being overloaded with unnecessary details (but still giving the chance to learn more to the 7 Seeds fans and those who'd like to get more information about this manga), I'll create an own wiki for 7 Seeds instead, completely separated from this page.

This new wiki will have the opportunity to inform new readers without being spoilered and contribute to the wishes of the more up-to-date readers as well. I hope it is alright that I put the link to this new wiki into the External links section? If I'm not mistaken, this section is supposed to give the links of further information sites after all.

Lg, NatsuX (talk) 13:37, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Burst Angel in Newtype request
Hi, I need a reference check in Newtype USA April 2005 issue regarding Talk:Burst_Angel. Thanks. AngusWOOF (talk) 16:36, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for checking that. It looks like they'll have to find another media source to confirm the relation. 23:35, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Bleach
Hi,

There is no indication that the Bleach Anime is over! Only temporarily cancelled! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.102.52.198 (talk) 20:50, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * But there are reliable sources that say so! See Bleach (manga). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:54, 25 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I hate to burst your bubble, but the series is over. "A recent television program listing in Japan reports that the Bleach television anime series will end its run in TV Tokyo's 6:00 p.m. Tuesday timeslot on March 27." That isn't a temporary hiatus, that is a full cancellation. Stick a fork it in, it's over. The manga itself is wrapping things up as well. —Farix (t &#124; c) 21:27, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Peer review/Kotoko (singer)/archive1
Helo, I would like to inform you that I have started a peer review of Kotoko (singer). Any input and feedback will be appreciated. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:50, 29 November 2012 (UTC)