User talk:TheGrappler/Archive2

Hunting strategy
Thanks for your kind support regarding this article. I guess I have gone too far over to the other side regarding hunting in a militaristic/law-enforcement context as a reaction to the completely sport-hunting bias of the original hunting article. I need a serious winter sport fix (not biathlon, heheheh), and then I'll try to rework the article accordingly. I do accept that a hunting article does have to be primarily about sport-hunting, but on the other hand, it's always struck me how the most valuable achievement of Wikipedia is drawing connexions between disparate phenomena, and an all-over-the-place hunting strategy article seems invaluable in connecting the strategy of a infantry company confronting a sniper, an established Fortune 500 company entering a new market, a police force locating criminals bandits, etc, etc, etc -MPD 00:03, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Hunting
Hello, honorable Grappler! Thanks for the recent UK additions over on hunting. I appreciate learning more about pheasant and grouse. Now that these are in the main article, might I ask that you pull the relevant sections from the talk page? Thanks for being bold! Rorybowman 02:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

OK
Ok, I will add more photographs from Slovakia! A, aj ja viem po slovensky ! User:Kamocsai

The article
Copenhagen_Fire_of_1728

Bridge Categorization
I notice that you have been subcategorizing Category:Bridges in Norway. While I have no problem with creating the subcategories, could you also leave them all in Category:Bridges in Norway? This has been discussed at the Bridge project and at Wikipedia talk:Categorization. By having duplicate categorizations, people like me, who know nothing about the different regions of Norway could browse through all the bridges in one place. Users who are lookin for bridges in a specific region could look in the subcategories. I also suggest adding the allincluded message. Thanks. -- Samuel Wantman 07:17, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not convinced. I counted the number of bridges on the List of bridges in Norway -- there are 161.  If all of them had articles, they's still all fit.  Even if they didn't fit, you could put the county sub categories in a new subcategory called Category:Bridges in Norway by county.  The problem, which you have not addressed, is that while you have created a way to find bridges county by county, you have removed the possibility of browsing through all the bridges of Norway.  Your argument about the US and the UK, only make me think that these country categories should be repopulated as well.
 * I am quite aware of the policies. (I am actually the author of the subpage about subcategories that you quoted to me).  The issue we are discussing is right on the grey line of policy, and the policy has been changing recently.  There was a bit of discussion about this at Wikipedia talk:Categorization related to actors.  There was a fairly strong consensus that the actors by nationality should be repopulated into the larger actor categories.  The concern that I and others have, is that categories are for browsing, and as such, categories should be fully populated up to a level that makes them the most useful.  Yes, you can look at a list, but often these lists are incomplete and poorly maintained (albeit, that is not the case with Norway bridges).  I am left wondering why not have the possiblility of browsing small and large categories.  The old policies reflected the reality of not being able to navigate categories with more than 200 members.  The die was cast before CategoryTOC existed.  Since it is possible to navigate large categories the policies need updating.  I've been working on updating and modifying them for quite a while now.  To make a change at Wikipedia is slow going.  -- Samuel Wantman 02:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Atlanterhavsveien
My mistake, sorry. Ted 18:50, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

User:SeanMack/sandbox/Good2
Thanks for having a look, I do think there is mileage in doing this, but I'm not sure if others agree. As you could see - you were the only person to comment so far positively or negatively. I replied to your post on the talk page. A few thoughts on grouping though:
 * Awards and decorations - don't know if these deserve their own box - probably better suited as a subheading either within War or Government depending on what the article is. For example Victoria Cross for me should go under military and other civilian awards would be somewhere under government and politics. I think there is a wee tidy needed with some of the articles but that will evolve I would have thought? Regards SeanMack 05:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * heh, maybe we should be working on the same one? Get it finished quicker and see if people agree to implement it? SeanMack 16:25, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool, it's late here now though so it'll be tomorrow before I do any more. Cheers SeanMack 17:00, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Worked a bit more on it. I've realised though that it's already out of date from the live page, there's a bit of catching up to do... Also I can't seem to get rid of an indent for the first sub headings in geology and royalty, in firefox. It doesn't happen in ie, but it's bugging me. Any ideas? What do you think about canvassing for support? No point doing too much more if it's not supported... Cheers SeanMack 15:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I tried a purge link and I still have the problem. I noticed it before on other sections but when I changed the font-size attribute and rejigged some of the section header text in edit mode I got rid of them - I can't figure out why just those 2 sections are still a problem.... Got the issue also from my work pc - mebbe it's a firefox 1.5 issue dunno. Anyways, glad you liked the article separator, spent a while chopping and changing until I got one I liked. FYI - I thought this was a useful reference. The good thing with using something like that is that you can do a global edit replace to change it quickly. The main problem I have with the page however  - which stops me from suggesting it is that there is no ability to do a complete section edit. IMO this is needed before I would suggest this as an alternative to whats there. Any ideas? Your main page has something like it for templates - so maybe we need to create a template for the sections. Any thoughts? SeanMack 11:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Can't say I understand why, but making the images slightly smaller, made the sub-headings come into line.... Gonna have a look at the edit button now. SeanMack 13:04, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey again. I've had a bash at all sorts of editing options and the best compromise was the method that I've left on the sandbox page. I just wanted to see what you thought before I suggest the work we've done so far to the editors at the project. Cheers SeanMack 16:06, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Proposed new look for Good article page
Well I've put the new proposal out there and am hoping for some good feedback and support to carry on with it. Regards SeanMack 16:38, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No one has reverted so far so all good. However I think the functioning still needs some tweaking. For example, doing a full section edit doesn't work as it really should. I wonder if the repeated section heading should go back in there to take care of that? I don't know enough about wiki syntax or templates yet to do much more tweaking however, so for now I'm leaving it alone... Also I wanted to say thanks for getting involved and I realised after synching up the live page with the proposal how much work you'd done in the categorisation of articles. I think you helped the structuring immensely. Cheers SeanMack 18:00, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Template:Good article
Template:Good article has been listed for deletion. Please vote to keep this template at Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_March_25. The template places a small Good Article symbol  in the top right corner of an article to indicate that it is a good article on Wikipedia. &mdash;RJN 11:44, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Brøndby IF
Many thanks for your kind words on the article, and a special thank you for helping with the fair use image rationale! Poulsen 23:20, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Re:Plano Senior High School
I made changes to the image and page to more stringently follow fair use. The changes I made are here for the page and. Thanks so much for your interest and kind words on the article's quality! &mdash; Scm83x hook 'em 22:20, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Grappler. I talked to the original nominator.  He will renom it.  Thanks again! &mdash; Scm83x hook 'em 22:38, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Original nominator here, it's been re-nomed. Thanks for the help! Staxringold 22:39, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Institutional memory
Good ideas, though it is my view that institutional memory is best maintained through retention of people and respect of processes established in the past. Might also want to take a look at History_of_Wikipedian_processes_and_people. There is also an effort somewhere to write biographies of all "notable" Wikipedians, but I can't find it. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 16:19, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Ina Garten article
Thanks so much for the promotion! I've asked for your advice/clarification on the Talk:Ina Garten page whenever you get time. Cheers! Air.dance 00:12, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Two things: a) If you want to peek, the article is now up for FA review and is doing well and b) you get this for helping me get it there: Air.dance 07:38, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Lakebox templates
I just wanted to let you know I responded to your comment at Mtnbox start. I've also created Template:Infobox Lake which has some (working on getting all) the features of the various Lakebox templates in one single template. Feel free to respond here, at my talk page, or Mtnbox start's talk page. =) —Locke Cole • t • c 23:50, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Responded here. —Locke Cole • t • c 00:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: List of Formula One drivers

 * This is an amazing list! I wondered if it would be an idea to footnote the strange .143 points occurences with a brief summary of the explanation given at the pointscoring article - people are clearly going to be surprised by seeing it (I certainly was!), so rather than making them do the hard graft of searching it out, footnoting it (maybe with a link to the pointscoring page) would be helpful, and add significantly to the list. What do you think? TheGrappler 18:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Done AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 01:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Jack Tatum
I left a comment on the images, I don't know about the first one, I could look for one without a autograph, there are no free-use or PD images of Jack Tatum outthere so these qualifies for fair-use, the first image im about to remove, not my image. Thanks


 * I really need a image for Jack Tatum, if not it will never become a FA http://www.raiderdrive.com/images/jackwhite_sml.jpg can be one right, or any images http://www.raiders.com/history/whatever_tatum.jsp for fair use? That's basiclly the only images I can find --Jaranda wat's sup 04:16, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

hey again
Your new template is excellent - I'm a fan of making things easy to view at a glance and it definitely does that. Yeah I'm glad about the GA page - but I'm not 100% happy yet. I did come across this and had thought that previously, that by default you can't use browser find. So I did a hack that I can use if I want to show all the articles. I didn't post it to the GA talk pages yet as I am still hoping to come up with something better. I did see where quite a few users are creating scripts to add buttons and things by changing their monobook.js file. I had a play but didn't really get anywhere with it. I don't really have enough time to work out myself how to do it. I did ask lupin, author of popups - but that might have been asking a lot. When I get a chance I'm going to try and look into it more. My ideal would be to decipher the GA page from its title and use javascript/css to add a button/tab on the page to show hide all sections. I'm sure it's possible I just don't have a clue how to do it :-/
 * Other things of interest...
 * I agree with Grutness here - I think we should do this for GA.
 * coords - did you know a German guy provides a KML file of all wiki articles that include the coord template? It's quite interesting to fly around and see what articles exist and then find about about something by clicking on the article...
 * Yeah I was busy adding a few articles yest... My aim was to focus on the sorts of things that should be in a general information site -hmm something like an encyclopedia.... I mean I wouldn't want to see the GA page as a massive list of games and peoples favourite albums. For example in geography I see no reason why we can't have most cities and countries in the world. I've browsed and most are in reasonable shape but the updated requirements for citations means there is a bit of work. I stumbled across a citation project that we maybe should try and get some synergy with. What do you reckon? Regards SeanMack 16:04, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I had seen placeopedia, have a look at the SW of Oz and you'll see I was busy around Christmas... I got this before: http://www.webkuehn.de/hobbys/wikipedia/geokoordinaten/index_en.htm, big file but it's excellent in google earth, which I wasted about a month of my life with :-)
 * I take your point actually on "human biology".
 * As for fixing the Show all, do you know anyone who writes scripts for the wiki I can ask for some help? SeanMack 16:51, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

reversed filmographies
not all actor articles are the wrong way round, but many. its very understandble, as imdb does it that way, but all wikipolicies state chronological order is the way. problem is, if people use "good articles" or "featured articles" as references when creating their new actor/director/musician articles, they will assume from those wrong-way-round good articles that that is the way to do it. happily many of the GAs appear to be being fixed at the mo so they can be relisted.

FAs are more difficult, these one are wrong-way-round FA filmogs i identified that should be corrcted: Uma Thurman Julia Stiles Lindsay Lohan Katie Holmes KaDee Strickland all that can be done in those cases is to put a note on the talk page, but its highly unlikely anybody will respond. Zzzzz 12:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Open Task Template
Thank you for making the open task template! It is now alot easier to navigate the GA related pages. As you already know I did made some changes to improve it I hope you are finding it as useful as I did. Tarret 23:01, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

AFD
User:Striver has been going around creating many stubs (in which many consider a very POV manner), with a significant portion of them ending up in AFD for review. So, I take what he writes with a big grain of salt, and go to great lengths to verify it and review it for compliance with WP:NPOV. Given this book is in German, I have no way of really verifying it (especially given the few references at the time of the AFD). I take newspaper articles on such controversial topics with grain of salt too, as I know how they can cherry pick statements and write in a POV manner, themselves. I would like to see the book published in English (sure it will be soon if it's that popular in Germany), so that I can verify the "contents" myself. However, It's not my decision to close the AFD. Given others' comments and how the article has greatly improved (thank you), the closing admin will see that and most likely keep it. --Aude ( talk | contribs ) 04:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for asking. I just want to add that I'm not tracking each article that Striver creates.  He probably thinks people are, but rather, I noticed this one come across Special:Recent changes and it raised a red flag. --Aude ( talk | contribs ) 05:00, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I just changed my vote on the AfD for the von Bulow book. You have made incredible improvements. I have to echo what --Aude has said about Striver's efforts. It seemed that his name was popping up on numerous articles that I just happened upon, probably from links from the Special:Recent changes page. I don't even have any great personal interest in any of these topics. I just like to help Wikipedia maintain a professional level of writing and editing. Ande B 05:25, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Ditto. Normally communications about votes piss me off & have no basis but whining - in your case, thanks for letting me know, as the article has been very considerabl;y improved & in some ways sets a bar for controversial book criticisms. Are you sure you are just Babel De-2 though? ;-) Bridesmill 12:41, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Nice job improving the article! I'm sorry nobody on deWP responded to my posts about the book - in fact nobody has posted on the talk pages of the Bulow or 9/11 conspiracy articles since I did on the 1st which seems to indicate how little traffic the site has relative to this one. Шизомби 20:58, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Definitely wish all that cruft was handled better. Mmx1 and I had worked on improving Robert M. Bowman which was another one, but I think it was harder to verify things about him than it was for that book!  A number of the awards he claimed to have received were left out since we couldn't find anything out about them, and we couldn't puzzle out his United Catholic Church and claims related to that.  And I guess it still isn't clear exactly what Star Wars-like program he worked on and whether the Star Wars program itself was related to it.
 * I think I understand the public school regarding the UK, that wasn't the point I was making. As I indicated to Badgerpatrol I think the SB article should specify the type of school meant rather than having the reader (maybe) follow the link and have to figure out which kind.  I'd come across mention of UK school buggery in Patrick Macnee's autobiography Blind in One Ear though I don't recall it mentioning the SB. Шизомби 21:35, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow, the footnotes at 9/11 conspiracy theories are a mess - I hope that's because somebody started the process of reformatting them and not that they've been that way. Quite a long article too. Шизомби 22:03, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Tawkerbot2 Log Messages
I've changed the format of tb2's log messages to have both the user page and user talk page. I hope you find this acceptable. Please let me know if you have any other ideas or suggestions. j o s h b u d d y talk 17:36, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

CCRF
Hello, are these along the lines of what you were looking for? CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 00:36, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello, further revisions have been made; thanks for your suggestions. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 01:20, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Please review CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 01:49, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * New Brunswick has a 1/3rd French Canadian population (it absorbed the Acadian population driven from Nova Scotia in one of the worst crime from Canada's colonial history- but that's a subject for another article, well before the Charter. New Brunswick would be a small base for French Canadians overall- Quebec is a much larger province population-wise, French-speaking and in general- I've never heard concerns about isolation to NB, the major discussion has always been about Quebec.  I did add information to the "History" article that 1969 marked the beginning for greater respect of New Brunswick's French community.  The Charter only cemented on that. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 02:11, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Good article template and evaluation processes
Thanks very much for the explanation of call outs vs. vote packing. I replied at my talk page. I included some thoughts questioning the existing practice/policy for the sake of thinking things through. No reply needed, unless you find the issue worth discussing further... --Vir 14:06, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks again for more discussion. A few more points on my talk page, then I need to take a break. :) Vir 14:56, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Good articles list
''I like the new journalism heading - I moved Seigenthaler Sr there (since he had been listed before as a "Politically significant person", which seemed a bit odd for a man probably best known as a journalist and editor). Nice idea, thanks :) TheGrappler 18:58, 8 April 2006 (UTC)''
 * Thank you! I figured it was going to happen eventually. :) Radio  Kirk   talk to me  19:02, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

1.0/AA/GA/FA
Thanks for your comments and suggestions! I have replied to your comments here. Walkerma 05:25, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

User:TheGrappler/Good3
I'm torn between versions... I can see your reasoning but I don't think there's a clear winner between the 2 versions. Your newest version does compact things but in some sections it doesn't work as well without a bit more white space. So a half-was house would be possibly here: - if you check Geography. It leaves out the edit sections but stil has the headers on their own line - that's my personal preference. However I'm not 100% sure about leaving out the edit buttons for sub-sections - I've always found these handy for editing. That said I wouldn't be heart-broken to see them go. Of greater relevance though would be that fact that the only edit button in a section does not have a meaningful title and therefore doesn't show up useful info in the edit summary. Maybe there needs to be a sub title after all? Alternatively a way round this would be to put things like this in there, I tested it and it shows up in the edit summary.

I do like the German version mind you - even though so much work has gone into the en:GA page. It benefits from splitting the page, in that the page is kept shorter. It also looks clean - as you know I'm a big fan of whitespace. One thing I think could be improved a bit is the images. I think the subtle border around the images here for example http://news.bbc.co.uk/ makes a big difference. Dunno if this could be done by style sheets or templates on the wiki or whether the image has to be re-saved with a border - but maybe that's off topic.

Then again comparing the German version and either new version of GA, I do like our GA page for it's fun look. Possibly it's time for en:FA to implement something like the German version of GA. I noticed on the talk page that Raul may be ready for a change of look, but he's not a fan of the GA look. Maybe the more serious German page will be the way forward for FA? My thoughts anyways.... Cheers SeanMack 12:29, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Hidden section titles
TheGrappler,

The GAAuto script has removed the hidden section titles from the good article page. But I am happy to restore them if you still want to continue with the idea. Unfortunately, I don't have time to modify the script just now but I should be able to restore them in a couple of days' time (at most).

Cedars 16:07, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Ian Fleming image
I updated the tag. This was one of the first images I ever uploaded and at the time the "Fairold" tag was still considered valid. Cheers. 23skidoo 14:42, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

For Image:Fleming007impression.jpg, I'm currently in the process of tracking down the person I know who would have better insight on this image. Unfortunately the source of the image (website) does not exist anymore. I'm tempted to say that this falls under "no rights reserved", however, I do not know this for certain. The holder of the copyright is either 1) Ian Fleming himself, 2) The Daily Express, or 3) Titan Books. I'll look into this and make the corrections in a day or two (hopefully). K1Bond007 19:46, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for that


I'm sorry about earlier, I didn't mean to have a go at me Sean. Thank you for calming us down, we've both talked and realised we had just mucked up with stuff, which isn't I really came but anyway. Eh.. your thank you thing it to the right.. I know barnstars are the norm but I like other stuff better.. (I'm weird.. deal with it :P) and I'll see you around, H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 17:11, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Burton
Hi, There is no claim that he practiced it (though there is plenty of circumstantial evidence). It is sufficient that he documented it. Would you prefer we list him in Category:Pederastic literature? Haiduc 18:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Your WP:GA thoughts on Ball State University
Thank you for the much-needed observations, tips and beneficial critiques. I know your time is valuable and volunteering to use some of it to help other editors is much-appreciated. Your thoughts will surely help us in our effort to build this article into a top-quality WP entry. - Davodd 16:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Team CSC
I've edited the classement/classification bit, but before renominating I would like to hear if you think it an improvement? There's no point in me renominating if your concerns haven't been properly addressed. Poulsen 17:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right about the long sentences, I've heard that too for the papers I write. I think it comes from freely associating without stopping to read things critically through. I don't think it's much of a Danish problem, though :D When I stopped by at the Denmark article, I found the article filled with one line paragraphs and short sentences..
 * About the cycling team articles; Unfortunately not. I don't know if it's because the other cycling teams haven't been examinated as closely as is the case with the book on Team CSC which I used as my main source. Having such a book has been a real advantage. But I think cycling is seen in a more critical view here than what is normal in the bigger cycling countries. Cycling isn't an inbred part of Danish culture (yet) so I don't think there's any journalistic "soft handling" of the sport (and its public idols), especially in the field of doping. I must admit, as for the more "everyday" cycling articles, I don't really know. Poulsen 18:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Did you know? prod can have a parameter.
Hello there. You have proposed the article David grocott for deletion without providing a reason why in the prod template. You may be interested to know that you can add your reasoning like that:. This will make your reasoning show up in the article's deletion notice. It will also aid other users in considering your suggestion on the Proposed Deletions log. See also: How to propose deletion of an article. Sandstein 18:22, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Lechaeum
I've made a change to the article which hopefully adresses the concern you and Grenavitar had raised. As far as archaeological evidence, sadly, there is none. About the only classical battle for which we get anything is the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest--in all but the most extreme situations, the winners usually took all the good stuff away with them after the battle. RobthTalk 02:06, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I didn't think there was a procedure
I thought that anyone can add or remove good articles if they have reason to. At least, that's how it used to be. Tobyk777 22:40, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks so much
I got so much critisicm and nagaitive feedback on the FAC page that I withdrew the nomination after the tenth objection. I was admazed at the reaction. Your comments have inspired me to make this better. I'm on spring break now so I have plenty of time to make this great. After I have made a few changes I'll check back with you and see what you think. Thanks. Tobyk777 23:58, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Images
You're quite correct about the images; after getting this response to my question on the mailing list, I'm going to go through and have all my pd-art vase uploads removed. I'll keep poking around at this, since it sounds like there is a chance that vases might be legit (see later in that thread), but for now, I'm not going to be taking the risk. Luckily, I think I just stumbled on some US military drawings that can substitute for the ones we'll be losing. RobthTalk 02:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * You are correct about West Point images, but if you check the site layout, the ones I went for are from the "added by the Air War College" gallery, and, as best I can tell from their credits/copyright page, all that stuff is free and clear. RobthTalk 13:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The map looks great, and all spellings and locations are correct. As far as the military images, I've poked around the site for a while and I'm now convinced that those ones are ok.  These last couple of days have really been a learning experience for me as far as images, though, and I can see why we have such big problems in that area.  Given that I uploaded some problematic images thinking I was completely free and clear, I can see how easy it must be for other good faith contributors to upload something they think is legit that's actually a serious copyright issue.  RobthTalk 15:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I killed the hoplite image you mentioned and one other. I'm not sure about the West Point map.  The page I got it from says that the maps on the page were produced by the faculty for use in classes, which would seem to fall under the works of the US government classification, but I've emailed the cartographer to be sure.  RobthTalk 00:38, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I think it's better now
DNA Resequencer is fixed and better than ever. I spent hours on it. Please take a look and give me feedback thanks. Tobyk777 02:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Images
I gave the reason why I think it's fair use on the pic and talk pages, however, I am not sure if those were the proper locations. Also, I want to upload a pics which would enhance the article, however, I don't know how. On the upload page I don't know what some of the boxes mean. Also, I'm not sure if it's fair use. I have found it in 2 places:
 * here
 * [and here

Since one of these is on a wiki im pretty sure it's fair use. Also, Gateworld is a public site. Are they fair use? And how do I upload it? Thanks Tobyk777 03:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how I would get all that information. I could watch the DVD extras. I'll go do that now. But, those are the only 2 pics on the web. I don't know how to get info for either of them. Also, for some reason all the refs aren't appearing at the bottom. It looks like it's cited correctly, however, I stops at number 27, when there are over 50 refs. Tobyk777 04:07, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Maps
Hi... don't know if you saw my reply on my talk page but for maps I use -- it has lots of free data sets available throughout the world though there may be easier to use tools out there. Hope you find it useful. --Richard Clegg 16:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Re:Dewey Decimal System
I think I found the main page Dewey Decimal System tagged for speedy deletion, but I noticed that none of the subpages were, so I didn't quite know what to do. So I just left it as is - whether I then removed the speedy deletion tag, I can't remember. If you want to delete it, I'd suggest going to WP:MFD - it's rather big, so it wouldn't hurt to make sure deletion is the actual appropriate course of action. Is there a reason why we can't just use the 1923 version - is it because it's too out of date? enochlau (talk) 00:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for working it all out. enochlau (talk) 01:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * ... and that's one impressive array of languages you know (looking at your Babel box)! enochlau (talk) 01:44, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I've made a comment on the talk page. Did you link to it from Village pump (proposals)? That's the best way to get some traffic to little visited talk pages. enochlau (talk) 02:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Image tags
I checked the image tags, the AP photo might be claimed as fair-use because it's a historical image, and I seen a few AP images around that is valid fair use, including in a couple of FAs. The stamp image I didn't check, and it's a copyvio my mistake. I failed a few articles because of image status in GA review before, including Duke University. Thanks --Jaranda wat's sup 03:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Failed Good articles
Hi. Thanks for your constructive critisisims on the respective talkpages. Now that I know some problems that need to be fixed, I can set clear goals in mind. I hope other editors follow suit. I especially like your elaboration. Excellent stuff.

I hope I can fix this. -ZeroTalk 19:57, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

The CIA and September 11 (book)
Thanks for the feedback. As far as welcoming newbies on newpages and recent changes patrol I can tell you that the most important thing is to get the first welcome or warning message right. One thing that I thinks helps is using the right welcome (or warning) template from WP:UTM. Part of the problem is that the same people who deal with the new users are the same who have to show the door to spammers and unrepetant vandals. Too often, I'll go to a page to welcome a user who has made a minor mistake and find that they have already been given a harsher warning than necessary. There should be a similar series of templates for warning users who suck at warning other users. Maybe one day I'll make one...

As for getting them to help with other aspects of the project, I am more skeptical. Most people are initially attracted to the project only to contribute to their areas of interest. I think its better to let users discover these other tasks on their own as they spend more time on the project. Although you could be right...I'd be interested in a welcome message which included what you are suggested.

Thanks for the advice. I think I'll go join the Good Article project right now. Just speaking from my personal experience, the articles that I spend a lot of time on usually don't attract too many other experienced users, and its hard to get an article through the featuring process by yourself (although I hope to, one day). The GA system is good for recognizing contributors as well as flagging better articles. The only real problem is the current backlog, as many articles could have the GA tag if their creators had only known about it (or remembered to go back and nominate it, in the case of articles before the GA). savidan(talk) (e@) 00:48, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Good edit
Added you here :)

Your image request
You requested an image for Herman, Sheboygan County, Wisconsin. What do you want an image of? I used to live in the City of Sheboygan, and there's nothing to photograph in Herman. There's a chance that I could eventually take a photo if I knew what to take! Royalbroil 23:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Herman is a 100% rural nearly flat township. It consists entirely of houses and farms spread out over the 34 square miles. I was curious why you picked out this township. There hundreds like it spread out over eastern Wisconsin. No particular place is at all photographic in my eyes. The photograph Image:Wisconsinfarm.jpg gives the area good representation. I leave photos like that to the professionals. Royalbroil 20:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Grappler. You seem to be sticking on the talk pages of random articles. I was curious if there is any reason for selecting the ones you have? The places you've picked seem to be no more notable than other places which also don't have photos, and frequently there are bigger or more important places nearby also without a picture. If you want photos of particular things in the articles, you should say so. --Scott Davis Talk 14:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't mean to suggest you were being disruptive. I was puzzled as I could not guess what logic was selecting the pages you had picked so far (I have noticed Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in South Australia and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Western Australia just from my watchlist. To start with, the SA cat had only one private school, and one of the less-noticed towns on the Murray. I wasn't sure if you wanted a photo of the town, the highway bridge, the river, Banrock Station wine, dead red gums, or what? I took digital photos last year of that area (before there were articles on the towns). Unfortunately, the photos were on my laptop which was subsequently stolen, and I learned the hard way about keeping backups in separate places :-( --Scott Davis Talk 23:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I guess I agree with the comment below. I responded to your request for a photo on Barossa Valley Highway by adding a photo that was already in Wikipedia (and in fact is ideal for that article), but the result is that the article is severely out of balance with an infobox, a photo, a sentence and a stub tag. Please help to expand the stubs (as you say you can do from afar), and only add the photo requests once the article is long enough to remain balanced. You can't possibly be reading articles and adding three or more tags per minute to talk pages. If you and the reqphoto team believe every article should have either a photo or a reqphoto template, let a bot do it, else be selective and make the reqphoto categories valuable. --Scott Davis Talk 23:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

reqphotoin|British Columbia
Could you cool it with your reqphotoin|British Columbia requests on BC Parks articles? Yes, everyone knows that photos enhance an article. A friggin' request doesn't help, and is simply clutter. Stop it already. --Dogbreathcanada 21:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * This is a reply to your reply on my talk page. First of all, you're adding these photo requests to stub pages. The first order of business on those pages should not be photo related, but simply an expansion of the article. Secondly, a photo would enhance 90% of the articles in Wikipedia, so all these pointless photo requests are redundant. I suspect you're simply trying to increase your edit count. And yes, I'd love it if you stopped posting photo requests to BC Provincial Park articles that are currently stubs. Feel free to post the photo request to provincial park articles that are no longer stubs. --Dogbreathcanada 21:50, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

reqphotoin|Utah
I see you're getting some grief over this, FWIW I think it's a good idea. &mdash; Zaui (talk) 15:59, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Re:Bermuda stubs
Hi - you wrote: ''Nice work on the Bermuda articles... For non-geographic stubs, what is the parent category? There are only a few Bermuda articles full stop, but I came across a politician with a "Caribbean politician" stub, which clearly isn't right, and several sports bios that completely lacked a nationality/region stub type.''
 * Thanks for the compliments - Bermuda's articles were seriously neglected and - other than the geography ones - possibly still are. I haven't been to the islands for many years, so I'm hopelessly out of touch as far as events and people are concerned, but geography doesn't change rapidly and is one of my specialist areas, so I filled in what I could (even though quite a bit of it was using 20 year old guide books as references! FWIW my godparents lived in Warwick Parish, which is how I know much about the place). As far as the stub types are concerned, Bermuda's in a difficult situation. Stub types are only created once it's established there's a big need for them (usually 50-60 existing stubs), so smaller countries often get lumped in with others in the same region. Since Bermuda's out on its own, it tends to get included with the Caribbean, even though technically it doesn't belong there. I suspect that a stub for all the British Atlantic territories (Bermuda, Falklands, St Helena etc) would be a good compromise situation, since between them they could well get to 60 stubs - I'll propose one at WP:WSS/P. As far as stubs in general for your directory go, the full stub list at WP:WSS/ST would be a good place to look. Grutness...wha?  06:13, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

we once had a Wikipedian from Bermuda That would be James von... um... something, probably. We do (or did) have a second Bermudian here, who I was in conversation with while working on those geo-stubs, but I can't recall his name offhand. :/ It's also possible that User:Aodhdubh has some connection with bermuda, looking at Special:Contributions/Aodhdubh, but his/her user page is a redlink. Grutness...wha?  01:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Grappler. I saw your post to Grutness regarding the Caribbean-politician-stub. I'm the main sorter of the politicians, so I'm the culprit. The reason is simply - as Grutness said - that very tiny groups are sorted into bigger units (you can see the list here and my categorization here: User:Valentinian/Politician-stub tallying). I was a bit lazy regarding North America given that Canada, the U.S., Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean had already been assigned separate categories, so I abstained from proposing an additional North American category - which would pretty much only have contained Greenland, Bahamas, Bermuda, Turks and Caicos (which I think is a borderline case) and perhaps the Caymans. Such a category would have been way below the usual size requirements for new stub categories, so I simply added these examples (around 10 I think) to the next best solution (two articles were about Bermuda) Regarding the missing country stub templates, I currently have a proposal listed on WP:WSS/P covering Central and most of South America. I can update your North America directory when they become approved if you like? Best regards. Valentinian (talk) 09:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Re:Trdatrome.gif
''A History of Armenia by Vahan M. Kurkjian was first published in 1958 by the Armenian General Benevolent Union of America. The text, actually taken here from the 1964 reprinting, is in the public domain since the 1958 copyright was not renewed at the appropriate time (1985‑1986), and the work has therefore fallen into the public domain.'' 1 IS there an applicable tag?--Eupator 15:47, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Grand Forks postcard
I just got your message about the image of the Grand Forks postcard up on the Grand Forks, North Dakota article. Actually, the image is a scan of an old postcard in my personal collection. I uploaded it quite some time ago before I really understood what types of images can and can't be used on Wikipedia. I had never noticed the Grand Forks Herald tag in the corner of the postcard. I guess I would have to assume that the Herald must still own the copyright and that this image probably shouldn't be in this article. Thanks for contacting me. --Matth e w UND (talk) 07:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

UK-Atlantic-stub
Hi - thought you'd like to know that I've just created this stub for Bermuda, St. Helena, the Falklands and South Georgia. Hopefully it'll fill the gap! Grutness...wha?  06:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish deletion nomination
We have 3 categories created to mark places where kurds supposively are a majority. My deletion nominations were not in bad faith. Two of the categories were created by a suspected sockpuppet of a user that has been banned for a serious amount of time.

The other (last nom) was created as a comprimise per my request. But I later decided categorising by ethnicity is a bad idea given we do not have any verifiable demographics data on kurds.

Also no where else do we categorise based on ethnicity, however we have articles for census data.

I just wanted to make my standing clear.

-- Cat out 07:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I apologise for questioning the faith of your CfD nominations. As you can see, I do agree with you that ethnic geography categories are a bad idea. In fact the most recent nomination was probably the most clear-cut (it made no grammatical sense as a category name). I can understand the frustration of Kurdish editors, though I do not know how we can resolve this issue. TheGrappler 17:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thats ok, no real harm done. Though I wouldnt mind if you stated something parallel to that comment on the nomination pages.
 * I am currently dealing with User:Moby Dick, but aside from that I am not certain how to handle editors who appear to be campaigning in categorising teritory with the basis of weather or not its kurdish.
 * The deletion process may fail and we may have 3 different kurdish territory categories as people are assuming bad faith in their votes now by panic keeping... I do not believe in wiki-politics but I do not beieve I should be renominating them if that happens. I am open for suggestions.
 * -- Cat out 18:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Public apologies are now listed at the nominations page. Good faith now well and truly assumed :) TheGrappler 19:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comment! I really appriciate it. What I appriciate more is the good faith tho. It takes courage to apologise publicaly, a courage I often lack :( -- Cat out 19:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Escalante River image
I've added a photo of the Escalante River canyon, but I've left in the photo request tag as it doesn't show the river proper. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether or not this is enough, or if you want to keep your image request until an actual river photo turns up. --Mbell 21:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comment on the photo. The answer to your question: Žijem v Amerike, ale mam Slovenskych rodičov. --Mbell 18:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

María Martha Fernández
I have been trying to sort out this nomination for deletion of this article, unfortunately the old nomination of last year was used. At first I thought it was new and written up at the wrong place, so I moved it and listed it correctly. I now realise that this old nomination cannot proceed and a new one at the correct name Articles for deletion/María Martha Fernández will be needed and it will need a new entry on the relevant day's AfD page ([ click here to make new entry to the day's AFD page]). As it was never correctly listed I have closed the original part of Votes for deletion/María Martha Fernández and am informing those of you who have voted on the old page for your information and action. Thanks. --Alf melmac 11:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Requested images - Geograph
I noticed you've been adding a number of these tags to articles... In the UK it's always worth searching Geograph.

As an example take Ferry Road — http://www.geograph.org.uk/browse.php?p=607872 — you can upload this image (which is under a CC licence) to Commons using the geograph template/thanks/wangi 16:42, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Re Featured Lists
Thanks for the heads up, but I'm personally against adding meta-data to articles so I don't add that template myself. If other people are keen to do it they should do it themselves :-S

Your feedback over at FLC is pretty good. Keep up the good work! Cheers. -- Run e Welsh | &tau;&alpha;&lambda;&kappa; 12:44, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Flourishing...
Thanks for letting me know about that discussion! I wasn't watching the page and had quite forgotten about the issue. Funny, I just assumed that everyone knew what "flourished" meant ... Antandrus (talk) 20:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Felice Beato
Very cool addition of the persondata to this article - I didn't know such a thing existed! I tweaked the data slightly in ways that I hope make sense. But minor stuff, really. Ciao! Pinkville 00:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Replied on my talk page.
Stevage 18:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

GAAuto requested feature
Hi,

The change you requested to GAAuto here is now implemented. Let me know if the new version of the good articles page is okay.

Cedars 05:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

ISSN - reply on my talk page
Hi,

this is just to be sure you are watching my talk page. I replied there :) — Gennaro Prota &#8226;Talk 18:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Timeline
Burton seems a fascinating fellow. As for your timeline, I don't have a clue. I tried experimenting with the markup but alas, nothing. You could also ask at Help desk or Timeline standards. One person you could ask is User:Polaris999 (see the autohidden Che Guevara timeline). Thanks. Saravask 21:06, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

List of U.S. states and their state flower, tree, and bird
I see you have created a very pretty, well-put together, and well-referenced list at List of U.S. states and their state flower, tree, and bird. The only problem is we already have individual lists for these three things (as well as a host of other state insignia, including official reptile, amphibian, mammal, butterfly, insect, grass, soil, mineral...) and it doesn't make a lot of sense to pick a bunch and combine them in one. The place you need to have a look at is Lists of U.S. state insignia. I'd highly recommend taking a look over those lists - some of them haven't had a lot of work done on them recently and could do with a bit of reformatting or prettying up - and see how many of them you could turn into featured lists. Most look feasible, List of U.S. state neckwear is unlikely to make the grade :p As for the list you've made already, it's generally a bad idea to keep redundant articles and lists (mainting, updating or improving them makes twice the work) so perhaps it should just be turned into a "disambiguation" page linking to the other three? You've obviously developed fantastic list-formatting skills, and your referencing is looking much better than the vast majority editors, so I can see you pumping out featured lists like a sausage factory if you decide to really get in to it! Do you think that improving all the Lists of U.S. state insignia might be your niche? TheGrappler 02:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I must confess: I so did not realize that this already existed in other lists :(..... Well... having said that, a disambig page would be the best choice... This also proves the point that a fair amount of articles may not be found when someone searches, thus resulting in undesired consequences, as in this case.... I only wish that this was discovered earlier in the beginning. :(


 * Having said that, I might look at some other Insignia lists and try to see if they can be further improved. Thanks for the very helpful (but disappointing : comment. I really appreciate that someone found this out before it can get worse. :S G . H  e  03:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately the site search for Wikipedia is rubbish. I always try to check before I create a new article that it hasn't been done before, but googling the site first (and also double-checking in the categories) seems to be the best way to do it. The good news is you could easily merge your list into the pre-existing ones and raise their quality. By keeping the lists focused on one topic, it would also be possible to illustrate every single insignia (so long as there is a photo on Wikipedia or Commons somewhere). Like I said, the list you produced was fundamentally of "featurable" quality (possibly with a little bit of work, but not much) and there are plenty of lists on Wikipedia that are of very low quality yet are inherently featurable if they got a little bit of TLC. You seem to have the skills to do that... so if you want to do some "rescue" missions, there's definitely a job there for you with a rather nice reward at the end. Try not to be too dismayed! TheGrappler 03:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the moral support. I really appreciate it. By the way, can you please check List of U.S. states and their state flower, tree, and bird now that I've done the "disambig" thing? I moved the old article to an archive for future uses in other articles/lists. Thanks. G . H  e  04:22, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: 1944 Cane Damage.jpg
Are you serious? Grr... I just saw the tag and thought it was appropriate. Near the image, it says Library of Congress, without any specific copyright information. In the back of the book under bibliography, there is a source from a session in Congress. It says Papers and Illistrations on an Interim Survey of Atlantic Coast of Souhern New Jersey and Delaware, published by the Department of the Army. However, there's no mention specificly of the 1944 storm. There are numerous other sources in the bibliography, but none of them say where the image was from. In other words, there's no explicit way of knowing if this is PD or not. Also, I had no idea that a Featured List would be so much work than a featured article. I've greatly contributed to 4 featured articles, and none were as hard as this! :) Hurricanehink ( talk ) 13:40, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I doubt there's a way to find out. There's no way of contacting the authors of the book, as the book was written in 1993. There's nothing of the Vegabond Hurricane, either. There's also none of parelling hurricanes from the book, though possibly online. However, not many parelling hurricanes have images from New Jersey, so that probably doesn't help much. For the last thing, I never considered it, though I suppose I could. However, it would take a while, as the book is broken up at places. For example, the 1944 hurricane is a good 20 pages long, though the information I took was scattered. Is that necessary? If it is, it'll have to wait, as school is starting to interfere with my Wikitime. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:35, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I have a lot of other hurricane projects I would like to get done, so I suppose the NJ canes article is fine without it for now. However, you made a good point about future FL's. I will do that in the future if I ever attempt a list again. It does get hard to find the sources again... I know as well. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

harvnb
Thanks for creating it; it makes them easier to read as footnotes. Good work. Saravask 20:54, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm glad he fixed your timeline. To see who created it, see this. Saravask 23:01, 28 May 2006 (UTC)