User talk:TheJazzDalek/2009-06

Nicki Minaj
For reasons I can't explain using a logical or rational arguement, I'd like to see this article "stay" this time. (I have a similar penchant for Wayne Static and his wife Tera Wray - I can't explain those, either.) As you are more than well aware, this could be difficult, particularly given the various contributors' approaches to copyright, etc.

I really don't have much doubt that she's sufficiently notable for a WP article, (e.g. have a look at "what links here"), but I also acknowledge that demonstrating it is a "challenge", (particularly given the poor handling of past attempts, and the fact that the "deletionists" and "pedants" now have this article name on their watchlists).

I get the feeling that you're prepared to be flexible about it if the transgressions are not too blatent. I'd be happy to work with you to get this article to a state where it is "acceptable". However, I'm not altogether sure how to achieve that. Your thoughts/opinions? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

P.S. You don't need to post a "talkback" if you're not in the mood - this page is on my watchlist. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the article, as it is now, passes WP:MUSIC—she's received sufficient coverage in reliable 3rd party sources. I did a bit of work and removed the more questionable sources. I wouldn't be surprised if someone took it to AFD but I would certainly vote keep; I also think that it would survive an AFD. I plan to, for the near future at least, keep an eye on it and remove any dubious material that may get added, which might serve to make the article more "deletable". TheJazzDalek (talk) 22:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Good plan. If you want/need any assistance, "drop me a line". Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It's beginning to look like maintaining this lady's pages is a full time occupation! ;-) Pdfpdf (talk) 05:45, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, just a quick revert every now and again. Looks like you can stick a db-author on your saved copy of the old version of the page. TheJazzDalek (talk) 22:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

"The Mixtape"
Before I get to the subject in hand, let me mention that I like to see dates in the format "dd MMM yyyy". The majority of Americans seem to prefer "MMM dd, yyyy". If I format dates as "MMM dd, yyyy", then my preference settings display it to me as dd MMM yyyy. (i.e. M & D swapped, and comma removed.) I like that. So yes, turning yyyy into yyyy does nothing for me. (In fact, if you really want to know, it irritates the crap out of me.) But for me there is a benefit in MMM dd and MMM dd, yyyy. So, I would appreciate it if you did NOT undo that particular class of edits.

Regarding the mix tape article itself, well, to be honest, I'm not about to "die in a ditch" over it. Yeah, the notability of the mixtape is debatable, but I'd be interested to know why you seem to care. (Perhaps you'd prefer to email me rather than answer here?)

However, despite the fact that I have, in the past, spent a lot of time creating wikitables, I must say your latest edit certainly simplified that chunk of data!! Best wishes, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:03, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I used to always wikilink dates, specifically because of the whole dd mm vs. mm dd display thing, until someone pointed out to me that it's actually against WP format to do so. So while I understand your preference, please realize that, according to MOS:UNLINKDATES, most dates should not be wikilinked. As for the notability tag, it's my hope that someone will add enough to show notability. It passed the AFD only because no clear consensus was reached, not because notability was proven. Regarding tables, sometimes they are definitely an improvement, sometimes they are ok, and sometimes they unnecessarily over-complicate things. More often than not for track lists, no table is best (format example at WP:ALBUMS). The problem is people try to cram too much info in there (e.g. no need to list the producers for every track (use a "credits" section), especially if the whole album was done by the same person/group). TheJazzDalek (talk) 19:44, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Re dates: Fair enough.
 * Re the mixtape: "One can but hope ... "
 * Re AFD: I think it was more a case of "didn't fail", rather than "pass"! Yes, I agree with your summary.
 * Re tables and related comments: Agreed.
 * Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 08:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Removed prod from Beam me up Scotty, believe it or not some real references were added to the article
I have removed the prod tag from Beam me up Scotty, which you proposed for deletion, because I think that this article should not be deleted from Wikipedia. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the prod template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks! --  At am a chat 23:53, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Unnotable TV Characters
Hello, looking for someone to "prod" for deletion of 163 unnotable OZ fiction tv characters. Really stupid to have them on this site. See Category:Oz (TV series) characters

Thanks Cosprings (talk) 13:23, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I will take a look if I get a chance. TheJazzDalek (talk) 22:45, 22 June 2009 (UTC)