User talk:TheLeopard/Archive 2

Cradle of civilization
Hi TheLeopard. I understand your concern and thinking behind this edit as there could be some uncertainty about the accuracy of the source. However, the Verifiability policy does allow for cases like this - the relevant section is here: Sources. There is a translation of the article title, and a translation of part of the text alongside the original Chinese. Readers are also able to go to the source and use an online translator if they wish to read the whole article. If you are still unsure let me know and we can discus it further or ask for a Third opinion. Regards  SilkTork  *YES! 17:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Sister cities
Hi, I think sister cities on the main article is purely a thing of choice, I looked at Featured Articles on cities such as Seattle and San Francisco and they have sister cities on a different page. I'm just trying to get Beijing to GA then FA, if you think it's better on the main article then that's fine, it's only a minor thing :-) --Joowwww (talk) 11:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Beijing Montage
Let's talk it to the talk page. --Joowwww (talk) 12:46, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:Old Beijing
Hi there, TheLeopard. I noticed you made a change in the order of temples in Beijing, relative to Bailin Si. I put Bailin Si just after Yonghegong because their history is closely related, but you moved the first after Big Bell Temple. May I ask you why (you provide no explanation in the Edit Summary). I may have failed to see the order which is followed (I see none, actually) and I was actually thinking the it should be adopted an alphabetical order. What do you think? Regards --Krsnarupa (talk) 10:36, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Should Chaoyangmen be placed into Template:Old Beijing? Badagnani (talk) 22:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Cosmetics
I understand what you are doing now, you are prepared to sacrifice context and appreciation of a topic for the no doubt vital sake of avoiding whitespace. But at least you could use a less dishonest edit summary, you aren't removing images and maps because they are "not necessary", you are removing them because they don't look nice to you. Juzhong (talk) 23:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Manchus
In April you reverted my edits with the comment that "This paragraph was vandalized from previous revisions. It drastically changed from its original source.".

Whether the changes are justified or not, they were not vandalism as they were explained at the discussion page for Manchus ("Manchus and political football"). Before reverting edits on the strength of charges of vandalism, I would be grateful if you could check the talk page and first address arguments made there.

My objection to the statement that "Much recent scholarship in ethnic identity emphasizes that ethnic categories, rather than being static and objective, are fluid and subjective" is the fact that this could apply to ANY ethnic group, and could thus be placed at any article on any ethnic group. Making this specific point only at the article on the Manchus sounds like a rationalisation or excuse. It sounds highly defensive, as though there is no real basis for asserting Manchu ethnic identity other than the over-subtle distinctions of academics. We know that Crossley argued from this point of view, but that is, I suggest, because her point -- that the Manchus were, in spite of everything, a separate ethnic group -- flies directly in the face of the broad consensus that has been adopted in the modern Chinese state, namely that the Manchus long-ago disappeared as an ethnic group and became completely "Chinese". In the face of this pervasive and heavily politically motivated Chinese viewpoint, Crossley argued very deliberately and very carefully from the modern definition of nations as "imagined communities".

In fact, the Qing dynasty was based on an apartheid-like situation where the Chinese and Manchus were kept apart. During the Qing the Manchus retained a consciousness of being a separate ethnic group, even after they mostly switched to speaking Chinese. There are still Manchus today who retain a consciousness of the separateness of Manchu culture, quite apart from the state-sponsored ethnic categories. So my point is, why do we have to bend over backwards to try and justify a viewpoint simply because it is at odds with the current State orthodoxy? Is there a need to be so pointedly defensive just in the case of the Manchus?

Bathrobe (talk) 07:18, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * With regards to your recent edit to Manchu people, he did leave a message on your talk page. There is also discussion of the issue at Talk:Manchu which is where you should make your replys - edit summaries are not discussion pages. Rincewind42 (talk) 12:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Dream of the Red Chamber
Hi! I reacently found that you have rewrited a section. But I got confused about what it says. How can Dream of the Red Chamber fits in perfectly with Buddhist and Taoist beliefs? Most people agree that this book gives tit for tat about it. 百家姓之四  討論 (Discussion)  11:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Chinese characters for dynasties
Hi TheLeopard, you recently reverted the Chinese history template and wrote: ''This is not Chinese Wikipedia, the template "does not" need Chinese characters. It distorts the entire format of the template.'' I would counter: Cheers.--Cowrider (talk) 12:41, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * On your first point, characters were only added as additional information for Chinese names. There is no accurate way of writing Chinese names using the Roman alphabet.  For example the Jin Dyansty and the Jin Dynasty are spelt the same in English but have completely different names in Chinese: 晋朝 and 金朝.  Similarly the English names Zhou, Chou and Chow all refer to the same name: 周.
 * On your second point, I took care not to distort the format of the template. The template was no wider after making the changes.
 * Finally, you reverted to a version further back than the one that added Chinese characters. You also reverted the fixes to double-spacing formatting bugs that are now again visible on the current version of the template.

History of typography in East Asia
Hah! Look to the talk page now. Apparently, the sutra found in Korea is not the oldest confirmed printed document; two documents found in China after 1966 have been confirmed as dating to 650–670 and 690–699, respectively.-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 12:41, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

About photo on flickr
Yes, I received your message, but I think these photo is not important for illustrate the TanZhe Temple. But I will upload these picture on to wikicommons. but I can't write the english comment. --用心阁 (talk) 15:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your improving in article Dream of the Red Chamber. By the way, what is "commentary"? (I do not understand the meanning even after looking up dictionaries, how bad is my english) Does it mean that my tone of voice of editing is like casual talking, not solemn encyclopedia article? 百家姓之四  討論 (Discussion)  05:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'm not a native speaker of English. And now I don't have difficulty accessing Wikipedia since the Olympics began, at least. :) 百家姓之四  討論 (Discussion)  05:56, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Wiki Beijing
First of all, thank you and all the editors for improving the Beijing page. I was doing the same thing too. I came across the Beijing page and found the ecconomy description of Beijing is weak so I decided to make some contributions. Beijing, after all, is the 2nd largest city in GDP and the only post-industrial city in China (See reference below). All my statements and numbers are based on official data that is widely available. That is why I didn't include the references at the first place but I agree with you adding them helps. Some are simply calculations using data from Wiki directly, such as 71.3% of Beijing's GDP is from tertiary industry. I'd like to start with the economy section again, which is the field I am familiar with and heavily involved. Below is exactly I'll added to the section with all the references. Please let me know your opinion and thank you again for your time. --CobbleCC (talk) 14:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Beijing is the most developed city in China with tertiary industry accounting for 71.3% of its GDP, making it the first, and the only so far, post industrial city in mainland China.

Beijing is also the financial center of China. Financial industry is the most important industries of Beijing. By the end of 2007, there are 751 financial organizations in Beijing that generated 128.6 billion RMB revenue accounting for 11.6% of the total financial industry revenue of the entire country. It is also accounts for 13.8% of Beijing's GDP, the highest percentage of that of all Chinese cities.

--CobbleCC (talk) 14:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

>>>

Thanks Leopard for the quick response.

1. I'll start with the economy section first. I see the old introduction of Beijing touching its political/educational/cultural side but no word about its economy at all. Considering Beijing's economy importance as I put in the economy section, there should be at least one sentence briefly describing this. I probably added too much info there at first but no word about it seems inadequate too. I'll try to come up with just one sentence summarizing it.

2. I understand the language concern and I intended to quote the official data because we are talking about GDP and economic stats here. No other source is more accurate and reliable then the data from the national/local statistics bureau. I'll see whether there are any English versions.

3. The uploaded photos are my own work. I believe I chose the right license when I uploaded them to make them free to share.

--CobbleCC (talk) 18:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

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I'll see what I can do and help. I simply love photography - my lifelong hobby.

(off topic) By the way, do you work full-time at Wiki? I always thought there is no editor at wiki. All the wiki info is from regular people. Wiki is a free/open info place that everyone can contribute and edit etc. It seems not the case? Just curious.

--CobbleCC (talk) 20:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Xia
Can you ustifying your removal of all the paragraphs while the necessary sources are presented?--Ksyrie(Talkie talkie) 04:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Poggio Imperialle
Nice adition ! Giano (talk) 21:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Pusing Forbidden City to FA
Hi there. I'm thinking about finalising the push for Forbidden City to become a WP:Featured Article. The article was last peer reviewed in August of 2007, at Peer review/Forbidden City/archive1. I think I addressed most of the issues raised in that peer review, but the article may still need some improvement, for example just in terms of tidying up the prose. I am wondering whether you would be interested in such a campaign, or whether you have any views on how the article might be improved. Regards, --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 05:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Picture of the Beijing Railway Station in the Beijing Subway article
I'm sorry but I don't quite follow your reasoning for replacing the picture of the Beijing Railway Station photo in the Beijing Subway Station. The photo you removed shows the entire entrance structure of the Beijing Subway very clearly, front and center, situated in the plaza in front of the Railway Station, with the distinctive blue subway signage clearly visible. The photo you added does not show the subway entrance at all, and is of lower resolution (604 x 261 compared to 1360 x 1020). The main reason for using the original photo is its depiction of the subway station entrance.

As you are well aware, Wikicommons lacks good pictures of the Beijing Subway in general, and station entrances in particular. The article should give tell the reader what the subway station look like from the street level. Most of the station entrances on Lines 1 and 2 look exactly like the one shown in the Beijing RR photo. So the station structure is very representative of what a reader might see. The picture of the subway station entrance near Tiananmen that's currently in the Beijing Subway article, is not a good photograph. It's out of focus and makes the subway look like an abandoned bunker. It's up there because it replaced a hideous looking shot of the Xizhimen entrance tunnel. Thus, the whole point of adding the Beijing RR station photo is to give the reader another view of a subway entrance. Otherwise, there's no need to put a picture of the Beijing RR station in the subway article.



ContinentalAve (talk) 05:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Gu Guan Xiang Tai
yo, it wasn't the Allied forces of World War I who stole those instruments from the observatory in beijing. It was the 八国联军 Spettro9 (talk) 10:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * you should point out where my grammar mistakes are; as the article is now, there are plenty that you left in... Your sentence here isn't even grammatically correct: "There is too much blank spaces and gaps in between, and grammatically inaccurate sentences." ....Don't worry, I'll take care of that article. If you'd like to meet at the Beijing Ancient Observatory and discuss it's finer points, that would be great. Spettro9 (talk) 07:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

BEIJING
I didn't add anything about advertising, I said about the villas, which is general trend, unlike whoever wrote about Ju Jun or whatever the fuck it is, and the construction in GENERAL. what's going on? Spettro9 (talk) 16:36, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Structure of the Qing dynasty article
Hi TheLeopard, I have just undone your last edit on the Qing Dynasty, but I have left a detailed explanation in the Qing talk page here. I do apologize for not expressing my point of view on the talk page before you went ahead with the other editor's suggestion. Cheers, and keep up the good work on all these China-related pages! --Madalibi (talk) 03:19, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the Edits
Hello...thanks for your uncanningly quick edits in the Chinese fashion page. You beat me at it, by mere seconds! Le Anh-Huy (talk) 01:12, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Conflicting sources
I appreciate the sources you have added to the Forbidden city history page, however I have seen several noted documentaries and sources detailing Nguyen An (Ruan An);a Vietnamese as the chief designer.The reference to the "Cricket's cage" was central to the story of the design but this excerpt of the story here appears to be less than accurate and conflicting. See Lost Worlds: The Forbidden City - The Centre Of The World. Furthermore, I like to bring to your attention that Annamese is also another synonym for a Vietnamese. I don't believe it is fully accurate to state someone coming from a particular province as their identity. The Annam-a Chinese province link raises ambiguity when it should be noted that Nguyen An was Vietnamses not Chinese. If you find this does not align with your views, I suggest the removal of this reference to Annam-a Chinese province. See also John Walsh The Vietnamese Eunuch Architect Who Rebuilt Beijing--KMightD (talk) 04:38, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

slum/shanty town
now it seems slum article is sorted out. now whats the issue with shanty town? please say where did I italisize text? i dont want to fight, but the article shouldnt be tilted. you first disputes the source, and I have given you excellent ones to prove my point. now you say 'italicized' text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.50.67.78 (talk) 12:05, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok i have corrected myself in the shanty town page. OK now? 60.50.67.78 (talk) 12:14, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * replied in my talk page (keep in one place), i dont wanna mess up this page since yours is an account. 60.50.67.78 (talk) 12:38, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

how about this version? the bottom part is untouched. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.50.67.78 (talk) 12:56, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Siku quanshu
Thank you for your concerns about the Siku quanshu article! I've posted my view on the talk page. Cheers, Madalibi (talk) 12:23, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * And yes, all seven entries in Literary inquisition are from the same source. Arilang's edits are sometimes messy. He had copied a long passage from the Cambridge History of China verbatim into the wiki. Another editor turned the passage into a paraphrase split into separate entries, but with only a single reference at the end. And there was no way to tell that the passage was about the Siku quanshu, but it is, and this is why I made the explicit mention. I hope the current version is a little clearer! Cheers, and thanks again for your positive concerns. Madalibi (talk) 13:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

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Comparison between Roman and Han Empires
Hello, I happen to agree with your stance on the article. To me it sounds very much like SYN, as, in fact, only a single source makes an explicit comparison between the two empires, and only in terms of their coinage system (Scheidel). I have followed in the past various debates on this topic in online histoy forums and these almost always got out of hand eventually. As soon as some parties will have discovered the article, I believe, the same is bound to happen here. Perhaps we should propose a delete right away, which would only be fair to the main editor, before he invests more time and energy in his project. And if it is rejected by the community, he has all the green light to go ahead. Your thoughts? Gun Powder Ma (talk) 16:23, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

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3RR
I'm guilty of it here too, but please read up on WP:3RR. Your constant edit warring will eventually end up getting you blocked. kwami (talk) 07:56, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Respond at your talk page, since the dicussion in there.--TheLeopard (talk) 20:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

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Hey Leopard
Don't bite! Heh. You look pretty scary on your user page. If you don't see me as human food (especially after our bickering over Tibet during the Ming Dynasty), then I'd like you to take a look at what I've done to Han Dynasty recently (i.e. I rewrote the entire thing and created five sub-articles for it: Economy, History, Government, Science and Technology, Society and Culture). Maybe you could offer advice on the talk page on how to further improve the article?-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 19:59, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

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