User talk:TheMindsEye/User talk:TheMindsEye/Archive/Archive 03 Aug 2007

Pinky Bass
The exhibition at SDCA was installed yesterday. I agree Wiki is not a crystal ball but it can be current at times. Artintegrated 16:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Annie Leibovitz
i replace the dob for Annie Leibovitz as wp:blp provides for its inclusion for ...well-known living persons where the dates have been widely published... (ref: ) --emerson7 | Talk 17:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Beto and the Fairlanes
I don't understand why you created a page for this band with the wrong name, and reverted my edit correcting the mistake on the ACL Festival page. Please look at the band's home page, read the history section, and note the name of all their albums. They clearly prefer "and the" to "y los". Moreover, Google lists 19,000 hits for 'Beto and the Fairlanes' and only 834 hits for 'Beto y los Fairlanes' (and most of those hits are redirects to the correct name). Since the band has occasionally been referred to by both names, a mention of that fact is appropriate for the article, but clearly the weight of evidence shows that the article should be titled with the name the band has chosen. TheMindsEye 19:10, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello TheMindsEye, I did not revert your edit, as you say. I simply restored the wikilink, to the existing page, for the same group. The "y Los" name dates back to the original name for the group. Although in hindsight I agree with your first reversion of the name to "and the" on the Festival page, since that is how they appeared at that venue. Whichever way the band's article is named (y Los vs. and the) is a matter of preference, of course, but my own personal preferences is that original names take precedence, for article titles. But my only major concern is that a wikilink should be maintained to the band's page, and I think only a singular article should be used for the multiple incarnations of the band/bands over time, since it is essentially the same group, if I am not mistaken. Cheers.Steven Russell 19:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * My point is that the band's name is Beto and the Fairlanes and the article should be renamed. TheMindsEye 20:01, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello again. First of all, thanks much for the nice additions and changes you made to the article stub. As far as moving the name, I vote against, as explained above. But I'm not married to the idea, although I wouldn't want the "y Los" incarnation to be lost, since it is clearly a part of the band's history. My original cited ref is from 1980, and clearly uses the "y Los" name. But is there a source with the "and the" usage predating that? Otherwise, it appears to be a subsequent name change. It would be nice to clarify that within the article.. But if you find a pre-1980 usage of "and the", well then I would be all for your idea.Steven Russell 21:02, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Privacy of birthdays
No, I wasn't aware of that guideline and it sounds a bit odd to me. However, since my only way of finding out this information is from published sources such as websites and books, I don't think there can be a problem with any of the ones I've worked on. Deb 21:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Removing Sam Haskins from list of 'Pioneers of photography'
I note your removal of this category in Sam Haskins' entry.

Sam Haskins has been cited as a pioneer by a wide variety of photographic authorities over the past 40 years.

His contributions are clear and well documented. Describing Haskins as 'Notable but not a pioneer' is an opinion not a statement of fact about one of the most plagiarized photographers of the 20th century.

I will assemble a list of citations over the next few days to make the status of pioneer crystal clear. He is certainly at least as much of a pioneer as Bill Brandt who is listed.

Camera5 Thursday, 2007-08-09T23:24UTC


 * Thanks, I think this discussion deserves a broader audience, so I'm moving it to the Sam Haskins talk page. Moreover, I think the term pioneer needs better definition.  When I hear the term, I think of the inventors of processes or photographers who were early explorers of now-established fields.  Yes, you can always point to a name and say why him and not this other person.  Your choice of Bill Brandt is interesting.  Since Brandt is 25 years Haskins' junior, it stands to reason that he could be a pioneer while Haskin might not qualify.  TheMindsEye 23:21, 10 August 2007 (UTC)