User talk:TheNobleSith/Archive 1

February 2008
Your recent edit to Hurricane Jeanne (diff) was reverted by an automated bot. The edit was identified as adding vandalism, or link spam to the page or having an inappropriate edit summary. If you want to experiment, please use the preview button while editing or consider using the sandbox. If this revert was in error, please contact the bot operator. If you made an edit that removed a large amount of content, try doing smaller edits instead. Thanks! // VoABot II (talk) 00:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't be discouraged by the comment above. It is an automated bot that took your edit to hurricane Jeanne as vandalism. However, for several of the refs you addedd, you just seem to throw in random sources which have nothing to do with the associated information. Here is what you do; read all of your sources, then add the info to the article, with the ref you read the info from. Still, you are doing very well for a new wikipedian, and more practice is all that's needed. Juliancolton (Talk) 00:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edit to Hurricane Jeanne (diff) was reverted by an automated bot. The edit was identified as adding vandalism, or link spam to the page or having an inappropriate edit summary. If you want to experiment, please use the preview button while editing or consider using the sandbox. If this revert was in error, please contact the bot operator. If you made an edit that removed a large amount of content, try doing smaller edits instead. Thanks! // VoABot II (talk) 01:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey there, and welcome to the tropical cyclone project. Taking on a retired hurricane article is a huge task, something even experienced editors have trouble dealing with. If you wouldn't mind, perhaps some of us project members can guide you along in the coming weeks. We regularly meet on an Internet Relay Channel, similar to a chatroom. If you'd like to talk with us, we'd love to talk with you. All you have to do is click here, put freenode.net as your server, type your Wikipedia name as your nickname, and put #wiki-hurricanes as the channel. For now, I recommend you try and learn the basics, but I certainly look forward to seeing you around. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edit to Hurricane Jeanne (diff) was reverted by an automated bot. The edit was identified as adding vandalism, or link spam to the page or having an inappropriate edit summary. If you want to experiment, please use the preview button while editing or consider using the sandbox. If this revert was in error, please contact the bot operator. If you made an edit that removed a large amount of content, try doing smaller edits instead. Thanks! // VoABot II (talk) 01:07, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks...I"m actually having some trouble right now with that bot...none of my links are spam,look in the archive.I'm not sure why it's deleting my edits.TheNobleSith (talk) 01:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I reported the bot's mistake to the bot's owner. As Hurricanehink has suggested, it would help if you would go to click here, put freenode.net as your server, type your Wikipedia name as your nickname, and put #wiki-hurricanes as the channel. I hope to see you there. Juliancolton (Talk) 01:10, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to let you know, I redirected your Jeanne sub-article. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.What do you think of it so far?Were prparations covered well enough?And for the IRC thing,it doesn't like,continually run on my comp or anything,does it?TheNobleSith (talk) 04:00, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not bad so far, but for a storm that caused several billion dollars in one state, it's going to need a lot. I recommend you put that on hold and learn the basics. For example, the article contains no wikilinking. You should look at some other tropical cyclone featured articles, which are listed on the main WPTC page toward the bottom. Then, I suggest you deal with a very minor storm, perhaps Tropical Storm Charley (1998) or Tropical Storm Frances (1998). For a good article, it needs to be well-written, well-sourced, and comprehensive, and it takes time to learn how to write an article that accomplishes all three of those. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 05:38, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Well,ok,I'll do that.Someone else can deal with the effects of hurricane Jeanne in Florida,I gave it a good start I suppose.I think I've already got a decent handle on the basics (I know how to wikilink,you know ;) ).I'll fix the Charley article.TheNobleSith (talk) 05:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Here's what I got done of that article,BTW. []TheNobleSith (talk) 05:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I don't think you know the basics yet. There's more to wikilinking than just putting brackets around a subject. It has yo go to the right place, and in the right context. Please see Wikitext and Manual of Style (links). Regarding your writing, it's not quite what we'd expect for a Wikipedia article. You need spaces after every comma, to avoid dates of the week (saying Friday provides no context), and to make sure that everything in the article is important. Additionally, you need to make sure that anything you put in the article is in your own words, but still supported by a reference. You wrote, Officials rushed to turn schools into shelters, and the reference begins with, Officials rush to turn schools into shelters. It might seem that I am being harsh on you. However, you just joined the WPTC a few days ago, and you're still learning. I really think you should go on the IRC channel, as I mentioned above, so we can help you out in real time. Cheers. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:00, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Is there a page that has the definition of "important" in relation to tropical cyclone articles?Perhaps a page with an outline that should be used for each storm article?--TheNobleSith (talk) 17:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

And IRC let's others see my IP,right?I don't want to use that.TheNobleSith (talk) 17:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, importance is different for each storm. We attempted to solidify the definition of importance, but we decided it'd be better on a case-by-case basis. Yes, the IRC channel shows your IP address. All of the users on the IRC channel can see each others' IP addresses, but there has never been a problem, and I doubt anyone would ever do anything with the IP address. If someone wanted to see your IP address, they could easily do so through your contributions. I would think that the benefits outweigh the risks, but it's your decision. We're all a nice group of people, gathered by our love of hurricanes and Wikipedia :) ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:18, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll think about the IRC thing,but what do you want me to do?Deal with one of those storms you linked to,or just go around editing?TheNobleSith (talk) 20:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Or,I could work on "Cape Verde-type Hurricane".I've got a book with an in-depth section on them,and it seems like a fairly simple article to start with.TheNobleSith (talk) 20:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it'd be good if you did some random editing for now. If you want to start with that, that'd be cool. Just be sure that whatever you add to the article, be sure you write it in your own words. Otherwise, it is a copyright violation, which is not allowed here. Also, be sure you cite everything you add, but so far, it seems you have been good with that. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 21:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay,will do.TheNobleSith (talk) 22:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yea, nice with the 1964 page. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey, just a reminder. We'd love to see you on the IRC channel! ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I see that you are active in editing at the moment, and I too would love to see you at the IRC channel, as said above. Juliancolton  ( St. Patrick's day ) 18:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I've "adopted" Tropical Storm Charley (1998). Is that ok?TheNobleSith (talk) 18:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it might be better if you took a little more time to learn the basics of editing and article writing before taking on a large task such as redoing an article. However, if you want to, then that's fine. It might be good practice for you. It would really help if you joined the IRC channel so we could talk about the article. Juliancolton  ( St. Patrick's day ) 18:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not going to use the IRC channel. No offense, but I don't want my IP out there.TheNobleSith (talk) 18:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no harm in it. I am on there right now, along with several other users. We have been on for a couple hours a day for months, and nothing has happened. We are friendly people. :) If you don't want to then you don't by any means have to, but it would greatly help. Juliancolton  ( St. Patrick's day ) 18:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Charley (1998)
Hey, just a quick heads up. The order for a tropical cyclone article should be "Storm history", "Preparations", "Impact", and "Aftermath" (though sometimes aftermath might not be available). The preparations section should be a top-level section, and should also include info on when tropical storm warnings were issued (which appears in the tropical cyclone report). Keep it up! ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:21, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks!TheNobleSith (talk) 03:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

You've already taken care of most of the issues...very nice. One additional issue sprung up in the lead concerning NPOV. I've struck out the comments you've taken care of already on its talk page, and have made appropriate changes to the rest of the suggestions to help guide you along. Thegreatdr (talk) 01:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No, actually I just respond to people on their talk pages, and they respond on mine. Some people like to do it that way, but it is common for people to prefer responding on their own tal pages. Juliancolton The storm still blows...  15:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Many of the references still haven't been expanded to include author information. Ref 8 doesn't go anywhere. We still have a problem in the lead with inches mentioned, with no mm mention. Fix those, and I'll pass it. Thegreatdr (talk) 13:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I added it to the noticeboard. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 00:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I showed it in the FAC. You have to check in the edit window, since the template automatically creates the non-breaking space. I'll do it again here. 200 miles, not 200 miles. Or, I'll write it out with spaces in between. & n b s p ; Just get rid of the spaces, and that's how you add the non-breaking spaces. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 00:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Jerry (1995)
You should have placed the GAC on hold, rather than quickly failing the article. The changes you suggest will be easy and quick to fix. Thegreatdr (talk) 13:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't think of that.TheNobleSith (talk) 16:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That's alright. It's your prerogative as a reviewer.  Just keep in mind that for articles I'm involved in, whether it is upgrades or GACs, that I respond quickly to suggestions.  It helps to know where most of the information is normally located (being a met is helpful in that regard).  My biggest problem is finding non-meteorological references, such as damage estimates or where a line such as "26 homes were destroyed," because I'm more unfamiliar with where to find such information, even when armed with a search engine.  Thegreatdr (talk) 16:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I've addressed your concerns now. Jerry has been re-GACed.  Thegreatdr (talk) 18:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)



Thanks for taking another look at the article so soon. Didn't mean to come across negatively earlier. Thegreatdr has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

No problem. Didn't even notice any negativityTheNobleSith (talk) 20:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Re:Thanks
No problem. I'm glad to help, and I'm sorry if I seemed like I was against you. Juliancolton The storm still blows...  11:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: 1988 PHS FAC Comment
I have fixed the problem you listed and RattleMan improved the lead further. I'm trying to see if there is anything else that I can fix and am asking others if they see anything wrong. If you see anything else wrong, please feel free to elaborate on your further concerns regarding the article's quality. Thanks for your suggestions. Hello32020 (talk) 00:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Peer Review
You are very welcome - there is no archiving bot (yet), so I am glad to fix the occaisional mixup in the archiving process (and do most of the PR archives). Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:09, 27 March 2008 (UTC)