User talk:ThePoliticalAtheist

Your submission at Articles for creation: Daniel Fisk Bennett (May 15)
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KylieTastic (talk) 10:22, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Daniel Fisk Bennett (May 15)
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 Passenger pigeon  ( talk )  10:29, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Reply: '''I've inserted multiple references and feel like i'm being discriminated against out of bias. There's a lot of references in there and I read the requirements and I feel that the ones that I provided meet the standards as written by Wikipedia.'''

Your submission at Articles for creation: Daniel Fisk Bennett (May 15)
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KylieTastic (talk) 10:34, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

I've placed multiple references in this and I feel like I'm being dismissed out of bias

I tried to have my public figure account created and I worry about bias on account of the people disapproving it,
I keep getting messages saying my sources are inadequate and I have tons of references. I feel like I'm being dismissed because I'm an activist and an atheist.


 * Having a ton of references is not what is required for encyclopedic sources, being independent and reliable. If you read the decline notices information maybe you would understand rather than seeing bias where there is none. See Notability (people) for what is required. KylieTastic (talk) 10:51, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

The sources provided are independent and not just passing mentions. Am I somehow confused by what the criteria required is?

May 2020
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions; however, it appears you may have written a Wikipedia article about yourself, at Draft:Daniel Fisk Bennett. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – please see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to or change an existing article about yourself, you are welcome to propose the changes by visiting the article's talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was the page I created deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss this with the deleting administrator. ''I assume because your saying "I" and "My" this is about you. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia about notable subjects, it is not social media for people to write about themselves'' KylieTastic (talk) 10:45, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Reply: The sources that I have provided are independent and verifiable. I read the requirements and I don't see what the problem is... I've faced a lot of bias whenever I try accomplishing a task to it's something I'm used to seeing; hence why I am concerned by it.

Wikipedia:Teahouse
Hi, may I suggest you go asked for advice/input at the Teahouse - it's a place for new editors and lots of experienced editors and administrators help there. Also we have editors from all countries, faiths, etc so you get input from a range of people. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 11:02, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Reply: Thank you for the resource and I will certainly look into it.

Speedy deletion nomination of User:ThePoliticalAtheist


A tag has been placed on User:ThePoliticalAtheist requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. GPL93 (talk) 11:46, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm brand new here and just learning how to use this and I have just been bombarded by people and it's really unfriendly to new people starting out. ThePoliticalAtheist (talk) 12:11, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --ThePoliticalAtheist (talk) 11:51, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

I feel like someone doesn't like me here and my have a philosophical disagreement with me.
 * Dude, please read Wikipedia is not about YOU. At this point you've been warned about writing about yourself and explained to in depth about how notability and sourcing works. GPL93 (talk) 11:56, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok, fine... But why was now my account being flagged for deletion? I stopped arguing after someone made it clear to me. Now you want to delete my account that I made? I'm brand new to this and this isn't a very welcoming environment to people that just started out if this is how it's going to be. ThePoliticalAtheist (talk) 11:58, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * We actually don't delete accounts. If you read the notice it is a violation of WP:NOTWEBHOST. Although a lot of freedom is allowed in personalizing your user page, it is not:

The user page guidelines have additional information on what is and what is not considered acceptable content. Best, GPL93 (talk) 12:03, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * an encyclopedia article (and should not be styled to look like one)
 * a workspace for a draft article
 * a personal website, blog, or social media site
 * a space for self-promotion or other advertising
 * a CV/resumé
 * a lengthy autobiography

Kind of a slap in the face to people who want to participate if you ask me. ThePoliticalAtheist (talk) 11:59, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Wait, so I cannot use my personal profile page as a reference material to who I am? ThePoliticalAtheist (talk) 12:06, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Think of it as an icebreaker to other editors (I'm X, I do Y for a career, I went Z school, I am interested in Q topics, etc). GPL93 (talk) 12:20, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

But that's what I thought I had on my personal profile. Now I'm even more confused... ThePoliticalAtheist (talk) 12:21, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

I need to go to bed, honestly I'm hoping that my profile is still here when I wake up. But if not I'm just not going to donate to Wikipedia anymore. This experience has been ruthless. ThePoliticalAtheist (talk) 12:22, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I am sorry to say this but your user page likely won't survive as in its current form. I understand that it is a lot of information to process and I know that in general the notices are terse to say the least but unfortunately they were developed over the years due to combat rampant promotionalism on the platform. Somewhere along the line having a Wikipedia line was seen as a matter of prestige and individuals, companies and PR/Marketing firms saw Wikipedia as a means of boosting online presence and the notices were designed more to confront that issue more so than someone who does not meet that criteria. In terms of meeting the guidelines, my best advice is don't model it to look like an actual article and to abstain from adding links to personal pages. Although others do refer to themselves in the third person, I have found it helps to talk in the first. You may also find the use of userboxes helpful to describe yourself. We have them for editors to express themselves in pretty much any area, including religion (specifically in your case Irreligion, to describe one's military service, to tell people where you are from, and what your political beliefs are, just to name a few areas. I'm sure this probably isn't the answer you were looking for but I hope it does give you some clarifications. Best, GPL93 (talk) 13:13, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Maybe it's just my experience but ...
I just started out here and made the mistake of thinking I could make a Wikipedia page for myself with all the stuff I'm involved with. Ok, my mistake. But now after just starting out here, I got nothing but flack and now my account just got flagged for removal. Not really a welcoming first experience or reason to continue to donate to Wikipedia if that's how it's going to be. I know this is an airing of grievances but it's my experience after just showing up as a REAL person, not a bot, not trying to be a spammer. I'm sorry I didn't understand the whole ropes after just showing up. But how vicious people here are was very striking. ThePoliticalAtheist (talk) 12:04, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This page should not be speedily deleted because... ( I am literally just starting out here trying to figure out how to navigate this and I have been constantly bombarded. I made a mistake at the beginning and I own up to it for misunderstanding what Wikipedia really was all about. But since then it has been absolutely relentless. The learning curve here is beyond anything for someone who is just starting out with good intentions. I am a real person, my name is Daniel Fisk Bennett. I am not here to spam or cause problems. But what I have encountered is nothing but people causing problems for me. I admit that I have been a little on edge and suspicious of intention but after some things were explained to me I understood. But since then it seems like I have been bombarded even more so and now my account just got flagged after only having it for less than 4 hours. I mean it is absolutely striking to see how vicious this format can be. I've donated to Wikipedia, but after this experience, I think I might not anymore. But I'm still open to it, but it's waivering. I'm trying to learn how to do this, I am brand new, I don't think I could say that enough. But how relentless some of the people here are is absolutely mind-blowing. It is almost worse than a Reddit forum.) --ThePoliticalAtheist (talk) 12:20, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --Nolanisntfunny (talk) 13:02, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

he do seem like a pretty notable dude. also hes new to wikipedia, no need blast him this quickly

Your submission at Articles for creation: Daniel Fisk Bennett (May 26)
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Vinegarymass911 (talk) 18:13, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Daniel Fisk Bennett


Hello, ThePoliticalAtheist. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Daniel Fisk Bennett".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 02:35, 10 December 2020 (UTC)