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Re: Fawful reversion.
I stated the reason for reverting in my edit summary: your changes were completely original research, which is inappropriate and not allowed on Wikipedia. In other words, you were adding your own personal interpretation of the character. Things like "Fawful seems to be..." or "It is possible he could be compared to..." are inappropriate for encyclopedic articles. When you start off with "They may be slightly off-target" then it's a clear indicator it shouldn't be added. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 00:01, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: So, I can't cite from the game itself?
Wikipedia is not for speculation. The information you were publishing cannot be verified, which means they can't be backed up by reliable sources. In this case, you weren't actually "citing the game," you were instilling your own analysis about the character based on something, which is original research. Wikipedia readers don't want "possible" reasons, and they certainly don't want "doubt." None of the information you were giving can be confirmed by the game or any other source, therefore none of it is useful or appropriate for an encyclopedic article. It hurts the quality of the article when you simply add stuff that you made up. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 15:50, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Not again.
You're still projecting your own analysis of the character, and per WP:BURDEN if you want to make a claim, it is you, not me, who needs to provide a reliable source that explicitly supports it. Even so, the observation is completely arbitrary and trivial. Saying that Bowser has a large spiked shell is enough to describe that facet of Bowser's appearance to a person unfamiliar with the character. It is unnecessary to go into indicate detail and debate whether or not it's considered "clothing" just because "one or two games imply it." --ThomasO1989 (talk) 02:06, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Got proof.
MarioWiki is not an acceptable source per WP:SPS. It allows original research and does not require references, so it is not considered reliable. It also doesn't change the fact that the observation is relatively minor in the scope of the article. Debating whether or not "it changes the air of the character" is not appropriate. Wikipedia isn't the place for you to be "creative" and paint a character in a way you want it to be. It is the same as original research per WP:SYNTHESIS. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 17:06, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: You're missing my point.
And again, you're missing the point that you've yet to provide a reliable source that explicitly states this. All examples you given have not supported the claim in any way, just along the lines of "A and B, therefore C," which is your own analysis. "Large spiked shell" is accurate enough. When you add claims that "it might be clothing" without providing any source other than "the games imply it" then you risk making the article less accurate. How does "They wear a metal shell armor with spikes." prove that the shell is removable? How do you know that the Koopa wasn't actually born with a spiked shell? Has any source stated Koopalliers' shells are removable or did you yourself come to that conclusion? Do you see where this falls apart? --ThomasO1989 (talk) 19:23, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: Let me state facts and you can tell me what needs to be cited.
First off, you have it completely backwards. Wikipedia is not based on "Make a claim, find evidence to back it up," because it also falls under original research and is a waste of time.

Second, most of your statements are already mentioned in some articles. However, "Only koopaliers, Bowser, and his "children" have spikes." is completely arbitrary, not to mention false, which is even worse: Spinies, another type of Koopa, have spikes. You could change the sentence to add Spinies, but what about other enemies? How far will you go until the sentence is no longer about Bowser? Trying to cover and generalize everything when you don't have a single, reliable source to back it up will eventually make the entire sentence irrelevant and nonsensical.

Also, you still have not provided any proof that the spiked shell is Bowser's or any of the Koopas' choice. The average reader does not know what a "koopalier" is, and explaining what it is has nothing to do with Bowser. Why do you believe that this information will be of use to the average reader? If the reader only wants to know what Bowser looks like, "large spiked shell" is enough, why does it matter that he know that the shell is removable or not? Why does he care if the shell was a choice?

No matter how you try to phrase it, unless you have a source that explicitly states the claim, your evidence only falls under original research and synthesis. You can't use screenshots as proof, because they can be ambiguous and someone unfamiliar with the series can't verify the claim, and trying to analyze them falls under original research too. Not to mention that screenshots can be easily fabricated. Either way, a screenshot of a spiked Koopa does not prove that the shell is a choice. To be completely honest, you're trying too hard to make sense of a fictional series where not only mushrooms make humans grow and turtles have wings, but is also constantly inconsistent. It's not worth your time or mine to analyze and find a citation for something so trivial. It is best to leave out the statement altogether because if you have no explicit proof then you risk introducing inaccuracy.

Personally, I don't see any reason that this should be dragged out any longer. Stating whether or not the shell is removable or is a choice is not of interest to the average reader. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 07:26, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

If it just is not important, than that is fair. I won't waste my time, but I can still say that it is true. There are many instances where Koopas (in general) remove shells, and nothing has really set Bowser apart. It is just that you should understand that it is not eluded to. Koopas actually took their shells off (well technically they stolen but anyway).

TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk) 13:09, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Please listen to the things Thomas is telling you, he is giving you good advice. Also, it would probably be in your best interest to read up on some important Wikipedia policies.
 * WP:VERIFY. It's not just "what's true", it has to be how you can directly proved by sources. Per WP:BURDEN, anything that someone has challenged, has to be sourced. (So its best to start with the sources.)
 * WP:OR and WP:SYNTH - it has to be directly proveable, not something you merely observed and interpreted, or pieced together like a puzzle.
 * WP:GAMECRUFT - Article are to be written for general audiences. You have to assume the reader has no background information on the subject. Don't go into little trivial things that only hardcore fans would understand.
 * Let me know if you have any questions. Its best to live by these guidelines here though, or your edits aren't likely to stick, especially in popular, mainstream topics, like Mario related things. Sergecross73   msg me   13:42, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I will read policies, but it near the end it simply degraded to: I want to prove I am right, cause I am right. Granted in a friendly way.

TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk) 19:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * There's nothing wrong with wanting to prove yourself, its just that, from what I've seen so far, most of your attempts to do so have violated at least one of the policies listed above, and as long as your platform for discussion is Wikipedia, those sorts of arguments aren't going to sway anyone who knows what they're doing. Sergecross73   msg me   20:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

He made his original statement sound like: You are wrong I am right end of story. (With regards to my statement.) i would have no issue with a need for citation,but it is not very nice to just flat out say someone is wrong.

TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk) 20:50, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It may not be "nice" to say someone is wrong, but sometimes people are wrong and it's necessary to show how/why they're wrong. Also you make it sound like Thomas was bullying you with some kind of "I'm right you're wrong" shtick. On the contrary, he provided plenty of information detailing how your edits have gone against Wikipedia policy.
 * We're human beings, nothing is wrong with being wrong (Haha). Use it as a positive learning experience to help you contribute to Wikipedia!  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 21:41, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I was no longer refferring to policy. My statement was a fact with actual instances in the game, yet he kept saying it was alluding. Besides, I will admit that I tend to read between the lines in discussion, but you are still liable for how you come across. Also, his statements countering were illogical. He claimed that a spiny was proof of other shelled koopas when: a spiny is a buzzy beetle! He could have at least been creative in his countering. Even if Wikipedia does not except it, logic can still determine wether the fact could be true. Besides, I did not mean bullying. I just figured he needed me to explain better. If he is willing to explain his statements better, then that is fine, but I have explained myself and I declare this discussion closed.

TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk) 03:01, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Also, there are no hard feelings. I just feel that this discussion is getting redundant.

TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk) 03:02, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I guess a better way to phrase it would be to say that it came across as calling me a liar. Not in those words, but that tone. Also, a bit adamant. Sorry if thats not true, but I am just stating how it sounded.

I honestly figure that there was a miscommunication.

TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk) 04:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Super Smash Bros. Brawl clearly states in the game "Spinies are Koopa creatures with tough, spiked shells." This is considered proof, because it comes from a primary, reliable source and is explicitly stated in plain English, which makes it highly verifiable. This is the key reason why you need verifiable sources for the content you add to Wikipedia. Just because Spinies look like Buzzy Beetles doesn't imply that are, any more than Bowser wearing a spiked shell implies it was a choice. I really hope you understand. I'm not trying to belittle you, I'm trying to show you that it's not a good idea to write solely based on how you believe something works. Even if your logic seems completely reasonable, it doesn't make it infallible. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 04:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: It is stated in clear English that koopas can take their shells off
Spike Top is the variation of Buzzy Beetle that has a spike and can climb up walls. Super Smash Bros. Brawl also says that a Buzzy Beetle is "A Koopa underling with a heavy shell protecting it from fire." So both Buzzy Beetles and Spinies are Koopas, neither of which have been shown to emerge from their shells. As you can see, the claim "Koopas can take their shells off" is not true for all Mario enemies. Inconsistency prevents you from using one example as "proof" for another. That is the danger of synthesis. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 05:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If I had a reliable source that stated that Goombas are Koopas, then I would say so. Either way, I'm not debating this any further. Wikipedia isn't for discussing this. I feel that you're still not understanding the problem with original research and synthesis, as demonstrated by your recent comments. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 23:46, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Unless there were sources that directly conflicted with this interpretation, understanding "Koopa underling" to mean "underling that is also a Koopa" is perfectly valid as a citation for "Buzzy Beetle is a Koopa." "You could just as easily call a goomba a koopa underling" is synthesis because 1) you did not provide a source that directly supports this claim, and 2) you based the claim on arbitrary relationships between two or more different observations. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 05:33, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Needless arguing
With reading some of your discussions with Woodroar or Thomas, it appears you continue to argue semantics and little details. At least one of them has mentioned that its getting tiring, as is it with me. Please, while its good to ask questions, but some of your follow up responses when you don't get the answer you're looking for are getting a little disruptive. Please keep in mind that we're all here to work on an encyclopedia, not just argue endlessly. Thanks. Sergecross73  msg me   15:45, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: You mind explaining. I just don't see the answer.
Answered in this edit. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 04:58, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

I only replied again, because Servdrim the Admin (or whatever his name is) jumped in and said I was arguing. Then you jumped in and said the same thing.

Please read and consider all the comments that are written before you claim "I wasn't given enough information" or "what does that have to do with anything." Woodroar's main point in the entire conversation was clearly "Nintendo Nightmare is not notable to get its own article nor is it notable enough to be referenced to in any other Wikipedia article." You continued to ask if an external link to the game could be provided, which contradicts Woodroar's point. So it wasn't unreasonable for Sergecross to assume you were arguing with Woodroar. Please remember, even if you believe that you can't get along with me, we're all trying our best to be clear and unambiguous. But it's still both confusing and frustrating to be asked to explain the same point over and over to the point of having to spell it out. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 18:47, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

If you read Woodroar's reaction, then it is clear that he misunderstood. He had no problem doing it, and I even told Sergecross that he shouldn't jump into user conversations without being asked. Besides, Woodroar said it was a policy of linking to 'userspaces'. Nowhere did he say that the edit was bad simply because it referenced NN. At least, I didn't see it.

TheUnknownNinjaNN2(Talk,Always willing to discuss this subject) 20:14, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This is what I mean by having to spell it out: because he did not say it directly, you assume he misunderstood. His comments including "That being said, and as others have said at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games, Nintendo Nightmare is unlikely to ever be an article." and "The rest of my comments are relevant because it's unlikely that Nintendo Nightmare will ever warrant an article. I don't need to play the game to search for reliable sources as required by our notability guidelines. In fact, I just looked for sources and found nothing." pretty much indicate that he felt the edit was bad also because NN itself is not considered notable-- since NN has virtually no coverage by any major (or minor) publication, having the game mentioned or linked to in any article would seem extremely arbitrary and esoteric. If you believe (I'm not saying you actually do) that "he's just saying NN shouldn't have an article and nothing more" then I (and many other editors) would consider that to be completely missing the point.--ThomasO1989 (talk) 06:30, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

May 2013
Hello, I'm Salvidrim. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, it's important to be mindful of the feelings of your fellow editors, who may be frustrated by certain types of interaction, such as your addition to User talk:ThomasO1989 and other talk pages. While you probably didn't intend any offense, please do remember that Wikipedia strives to be an inclusive atmosphere. In light of that, it would be greatly appreciated if you could moderate yourself so as not to offend. The goal of your presence here should solely be to improve the encyclopedia. Engaging in discussion with other editors about specific improvements to Wikipedia is helpful; arguing and discussing on a user talk page as you've been doing is pointless at best, and potentially counterproductive. I admire your passion for the project and urge you to continue improving articles! :) · Salvidrim!  ·  &#9993;  23:55, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Learning the ropes
Hello, TheUnknownNinjaNN2. I can see by your contributions on the Video games WikiProject talk page that you are making an effort to get into Wikipedia, more than simply writing the Nintendo Nightmare article. If you are indeed interested in being a Wikipedia editor and diversifying your contributions to articles, would you like to learn the ropes and how to identify ways to write good articles? I've been a Wikipedian since 2008, almost entirely with the Video games WikiProject and the Sega task force, and I'd hate to see anyone who's willing to put in the effort on any subject just slip by the wayside. I can really help you get started if this is something you're looking to do. Let me know if you're interested. Thanks, Red Phoenix  build the future...remember the past... 00:45, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Signature test 1
TheUnknownNinjaNN2 TalkBig Project 07:05, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Signature Test 2
TheUnknownNinjaNN2(Talk,Always willing to discuss this subject) 07:15, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Text in boxes
Seeing your comments on Talk: Super Mario (series), the text in the boxes is caused by leading spaces. It's a type of formatting. If you click Edit on this subsection here, you'll see that

this line looks normal, but this line has an extra leading space.

--ThomasO1989 (talk) 23:46, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Discussion and sigs
Hi TheUnknownNinjaNN2,

Great to see you're participating in discussion in the Video Game Wiki Taskforce. Couple of things though, when discussing, new comments that go below the previous one are moved up a bit to the right. You know, so it is easier to see how the discussion is going, who says what, etc. For instance, a discussion like this:

I believe Mario should be the new Xbox One mascot.
 * You're an idiot.
 * LOLZZZ
 * Could you please take this somewhere else? Wikipedia is not a forum.
 * Geez, relax, GRANDPA.
 * I'm not a grandfather.
 * LOLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is written down with colons in front of them. Each colon moves the paragraph up at bit. So if you have a whole story to make your point, use colons likewise.


 * This image is not a decent photograph...


 * Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth upon this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty...


 * Also, it is in black and white...


 * Besides, it is a picture of sunflower.


 * To summarize...

Like that.

And on signatures, I see you've already started trying to make your own. A piped link also works, so go nuts! A piped link is this thing: Tomb Raider, so it shows up as Tomb Raider. Also, usually users put it right after their last sentence. Like this! --Soetermans. T / C 11:28, 27 May 2013 (UTC) (if you have any questions, feel free to ask!)

Well, I personally like my sig lower, unless that just bothers people? How do I do the colons?

TheUnknownNinjaNN2(Talk,Always willing to discuss this subject) 14:06, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You can add a colon before a new sentence. On my keyboard, a European one, you can find a semicolon (this thing: ;) to the right of the letter L. You must use the shift key and voila, a colon. If you check the textbox when editing you can see a whole bunch of 'em on top of this topic.


 * Concerning signatures, I don't know if it bothers anyone, but having a break in between looks like another paragraph to me. --Soetermans. T / C 16:47, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Take a look at my link, though. I was wondering if it is the right spot to link to?


 * TheUnknownNinjaNN2(Talk,Always willing to discuss this subject) 21:05, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You mean the link in your signature? That's fine, I suppose. WP:SIGNATURE says it can't be too long or distracting. I think so far it still is easily to see who you are as a Wikipedian. A space and maybe making it into a smaller font might look nicer though. Like so: TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (Talk). Always willing to discuss this subject!


 * If you want, you can display your username in full, like TheUnknownNinjaNN2. Otherwise your change it around a bit. The Unknown Ninja (Talk). Always willing to discuss this subject!


 * For a while I had a different signature. Instead of T / C I had "drop me a line" and "what I'd do now?", which respectively refer to talk and contributions. So instead of that boring old "talk" you can call it something else. How's about "whispers", keeping in tone with your ninja persona? And add a color while we're at it. The  Unknown  Ninja. I whisper in the dark. Always willing to discuss this subject!


 * It is totally up to you! Go nuts. BTW, now on your own talk page the link comes out as bold because it links to this very page. So if you try to link Nintendo at Nintendo's article it looks like Nintendo. --Soetermans. T / C 07:49, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, my username is a pun on my previous username: InsertNameHere. Ninja is a forum name for an edit conflict (which I was a magnet for). When I was asking about the link I meant: should I link to NN or NN's talk page? Which do you think is better? As for font sizes, moving commas, colors, etc: I would rather not do that. I might add the 'join Wikitendo' banner, though.
 * TheUnknownNinjaNN2(Talk,Always willing to discuss this subject) 20:28, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I assume that's the one below, right? I don't think people will like that: it takes up a huge chunk of space, is in bright color and it is an "advertisement". Why not add this to your sig: Mario needs YOU! --Soetermans. T / C 06:56, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * WP:NIN also suggest adding the ad to your user page, that's fine of course. --Soetermans. T / C 07:00, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh my. I had not seen the text till now. Why did it expand like that? Is there a way to shorten that, so it doesn't break the messages.


 * THIS USER DID NOT PUT A SIG HERE DUE TO ISSUES WITH THE SIG


 * Frankly, I haven't got a clue! :( --Soetermans. T / C 11:08, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Testing New Sig
TheUnknownNinjaNN2(Talk,Always willing to discuss this subject) 21:23, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: WT:VG post
Hello. I regret to inform you that you cannot post such things as this on Wikipedia project talk pages, as it is has nothing to do with Wikipedia. Please read WP:SPAM, WP:FORUM, and WP:SOAP, thank you.--  十  八  07:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, WikiProject Video Games, or even Wikipedia in general, is not the place to ask for help with your fanfiction or fan games or whatever. Unless its a comment or question in regards to improving/changing an article, it does not belong on any talk pages. Thanks. Sergecross73   msg me   18:40, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, be sure to read the other links Juhachi mentioned instead of focusing only on WP:SPAM. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 20:46, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

1. I wouldn't even call it a game. I am literally trying to make the premise, and see what happens.

2. I was not debating the fact that it doesn't belong on this site. I was saying that spam doesn't really apply to this post.

TheUnknownNinjaNN2(Talk,Always willing to discuss this subject) 04:20, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

BELOW IS THE TEXT IN QUESTION.

Now you are probably thinking "oh great, spam", but HOLD ON. I am asking Wikipedians specifically because their unbiased point of view is exactly what I need. Now, the project. Below is the premise to a video game, but I don't want to do that. I want to examine the flip side. I want help doing this project. A game maker with the Yoyo Games username Supmaster004 got bored one day and decided to try a massive project. He heard that Cleverbot (an automated conversation simulator) had downloadable code that he could adapt to his game making program. He combined it with a 3D engine he had created a while back. He then felt like using this new engine to build a world, but he needed ideas. After a long time spent on brainstorming, he decided to steal... er borrow a lot of mascot/favorite Nintendo characters. He ended up with a horrible, glitchy, throw-together game, and he attempted to alleviate this by creating special tools the characters and the player could use to execute a piece of code. Hopefully, it would cause the game to fix itself. Now the only thing left is to test, and later upload, the game...... Oh, and just in case one of the characters decides humanity should be destroyed or something, this "game" should be played/tested on a computer with no internet connection. Common sense, right? Contact me if you wish to help.

TheUnknownNinjaNN2(Talk,Always willing to discuss this subject) 04:40, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You're advertising for assistance with an off-site project. I'd say it's spam. It's also a conflict of interest. Please stop. Woodroar (talk) 05:19, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Some points: --ThomasO1989 (talk) 05:34, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Discussions on Wikipedia talk pages are not private. Anyone can join a discussion if they want. Whether or not "it's nice to butt in" doesn't matter when the ultimate goal is trying to improve the encyclopedia.
 * 2) It is clear you have not read WP:SOAP or WP:FORUM like both me and Juhachi have suggested. This is exactly what I meant earlier about having to spell things out, because you tend to either ignore it or miss it entirely.
 * 3) In regards to your text above, Wikipedia is not for discussing stuff like this, whether it is a "game" or "premise" or whatnot. You have not explained why this "project," real or not (I'm leaning towards not real), is worth the time of the editors who work on actual articles, and trying to enlist help on such irrelevant projects that distract editors from improving Wikipedia is spam, no matter what way you try to look at it.
 * 4) This is most perplexing: if you know that this doesn't belong on Wikipedia (you even acknowledge the fact it can be seen as spam), why are you putting it here in the first place?

1. A guy named Channgi actually blew up at me one time for attempting to solve a miscommunication. I have no problem with anyone coming in (as ling as they wait until I have replied between 11:00 to 2:00 AM CST, and are kind.

2. You assume that I had not. All I stated was that it was not spam. Spam ,to me, means something like: Buy Ugg Boots (in a place where nobody discusses shoes of any kind).

3. You misunderstand the project. I actually want to take this guy (cleverbot.com) and populate a computer generated world with his Nintendo. The reason why I need Wikipedians (or writers in general) is because I must create "biographies" of every singe "person". Its not like a guy could do that in a lifetime!

4. I only knew it did not belong AFTER the guy messaged me. I only stated the spam part to be funny (in a way), because I guy would think it was some random sale or: spam.

TheUnknownNinjaNN2(Talk,Always willing to discuss this subject) 05:52, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Again, how does this project benefit Wikipedia and why is it worth anyone's time? If you can't answer that, then asking for help on an off-site project is spamming. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 06:22, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

You do get what the project effectively is, right? What if someone were to 'enslave' it? You get an entire automated task force. I am talking about building a (really badly coded) universe in a pc (with code editing privileges). Why wouldn't someone want to at least know about it or be involved? Also, I am not sure how Conflict of Interest applies, Woodroar.

TheUnknownNinjaNN2(Talk,Always willing to discuss this subject) 06:42, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't care what the project is about. You're avoiding the question. You have not stated how this benefits (or has remotely anything to do with) Wikipedia. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 06:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Benifits

1. Automated characters can do maintenence and such (more advanced maintenence than bots)

2. Writing practice (its a lot of writing, keeps people sharp)

Relation

1. I need a very specific style of writing for the characters' biographies (or whatever you would call it). I can't ask just /one person/. Even, if I limit the populas to 1,000,000 that still requires a group capable of doing an encyclopedic writing style. Where else can you find such a group???

TheUnknownNinjaNN2(Talk,Always willing to discuss this subject) 06:54, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You're missing the point. You're advertising. You can't do that on Wikipedia. If you can't get people for your project elsewhere, that's your problem. If your goal is to recruit people for something outside Wikipedia and for not for building the encyclopedia, then you're in wrong place. Stop. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 07:01, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Have I made a second message? NO. So is it not clear that I stopped?

TheUnknownNinjaNN2(Talk,Always willing to discuss this subject) 07:10, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem is you continue to argue that you're not spamming when at least three people have stated that you do. When experienced users tell you that your additions to the Wikiproject Video Games talk page is considered spamming (and tell you exactly why it's considered spamming, which Juhachi did in his original comment) you accept it and move on, instead of drilling the argument into the ground with counterproductive statements like "But why wouldn't anyone want to work on this project?" You read up on the policies given to you and try to understand why it's considered spamming, instead of forcing editors to explain themselves over and over. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 07:22, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

You asked me questions and I answered. All I am saying is that "spam" doesn't really apply as I am asking ALL of wikipedia, not random members. That would be like saying that going to the main Wikipedia request page to ask for help on this would be spam. I am asking for wikipedia to invest a little time in something that could easily multiply our work speed.

At this point: don't discuss the spam anymore. If you have any ideas who/where I might ask, then let me know, but please drop it. Spam is just too misused nowadays. You could probably do a survey on definitions of spam and get a whole range of things. Its just too... Vague.

TheUnknownNinjaNN2(Talk,Always willing to discuss this subject) 07:52, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Final Warning
Alright, it looks like you're being disruptive again, so I'm here with a final warning.
 * If you advertise your fangame/fanproject/Nintendo Nightmare again, you're going to receive a block.
 * Its not appropriate to recruit people to work on the actual project, as its not a Wikipedia related thing. That means no posting about it on Wikiproject pages or' user's talk pages. As long as its not even an article, its not appropriate topic here at all. As many have advised you, there's no way, at this time, its going to meet Wikipedia's standard for having an article. So, unless its literally questions like "Would this source count towards making the game notable enough to have its own article?", its not appropriate to discuss. Sergecross73   msg me   12:48, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * As I said, its not appropriate to be discussing on Wikipedia, whether it be WikiProjects or any talk pages, because its not Wikipedia related. If other users are contacting you about it here, you need another means of contacting each other. Exchange emails or something. It does not belong here. Sergecross73   msg me   11:47, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Seriously, if I see another comment from you regarding Nintendo Nightmare, you're blocked. That includes arguing with me or Thomas over whether or not you are spamming Wikipedia with it. (By Wikipedias definition, you are.)  Sergecross73   msg me   22:46, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

(From IRC) The Great Factoring Challenge!
Here is the challenge on my website, complete with an email address to send your solutions to. Good luck! -- FastLizard4 (talk•contribs) 06:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

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