User talk:TheWeakWilled/Archive1

Talk
Hey, is this Elochai? -- The Guy complain edits 22:44, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing much, dude. This is dude527.  I run The Disturbed Community (message boards; you're a member there), and am also a member of your board.  You haven't checked in to my site in a while :) -- The Guy  complain edits 23:16, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I can tell (low contribution count). Don't worry; I've been here for over fourteen months.  I know the ins-and-outs of the policies and guidelines, and none of it is really hard to learn at all.  If you have any questions, feel free to ask.  If you need a mediator for a debate, please message me; I love getting my two cents in on all debates here.  Also, to reply to comments, just click "Edit" at the appropriate sub-section, find the reply that you wish to comment on, hit ":" (without quotations) the appropriate number of times (hit it one more time than the previous commenter; for example, I hit it three times, then you would hit it four times in a reply).  Hitting ":" basically just spaces out the replies, so you can tell them apart (evidenced by my comments here).  After hitting ":" the appropriate number of times, just type your reply, ALWAYS remember to sign your posts ( ~ ), and hit "Save".  Easy as pie. -- The Guy  complain edits 23:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's cool. I generally hate people editing without logging in, but it's no issue when they make helpful edits.  These occurrences are few and far between, however.  Most IPs march into articles, post unwarranted, unsourced content, and then keep reverting other users' edits, and ignoring/not replying to them.  Metalmagnet (the guy who keeps wanting to add "The Night" to the Disturbed template) is currently acting in what I would call a fashion very much like that of a new user; he keeps reverting me, and ignoring when I bring up the issues of why it can't be there, spamming me with links for "proof" (even though I already said I believe him).  As long as you're cool with other users, I guarantee you'll like it here.  You nerd.  You edit Wikipedia.  Just kidding hahah (says the guy who has been here for over fourteen months :|) lol.  Anyways, have fun.  By the way, what did you think of the music video for "The Night"? -- The Guy  complain edits 00:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The song has to receive significant media coverage and have enough verifiable content to create a decent-sized article before it can be made into one. As far as that goes, one interview on Blabbermouth is not even close to "wide media coverage."  Anyways, I'm happy someone liked the video.  Personally, I hated it.  The atmosphere was off.  The video didn't even come close to matching the feel of the song.  To top that off, it was plagued by off-beat intercut imagery (the scenes changed off the beat, rather than on it), very gimmicky camera effects that contributed nothing of value overall to the video, and quite a few of the clips were played over again.  I liked "Inside the Fire", and I liked "Indestructible", two of my favorite songs from the album.  Ironic that the only song I like more than those two (save for "Perfect Insanity", for obvious reasons) has a video 10x more shitty.  Overall, the gimmicky camera effects and atmosphere of the video as opposed to the actual song are what turned me off from the video the most.  Needless to say I won't be scrambling to buy it from iTunes upon release like I did for "Inside the Fire" and "Indestructible".  I feel they really butchered the song. -- The Guy  complain edits 00:32, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's where I've got to disagree. "The Night" either should have been nailed in the face, or not attempted at all.  I think they should have done "Perfect Insanity", instead (the whole setting would have fit that song better.  Or "Haunted"). -- The Guy  complain edits 00:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Dudes, name's SkrallAgori. Just wanted to tell you both that I'm glad that you've done away with the PARASITE that edited Disturbed the wrong way. Maybe now he'll RUN in FEAR now that he's STRICKEN by THE SICKNESS. THE NIGHT awaits his PRAYER for mercy. He will realize that Disturbed is INDESTRUCTIBLE and that there are 10,000 FISTS IN THE AIR in support of Disturbed. SkrallAgoriSkrallAgori (talk) 17:34, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Y2kgtp. A vermin, no less. SkrallAgoriSkrallAgori (talk) 18:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh. Sorry. SkrallAgoriSkrallAgori (talk) 11:50, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

sourcing
Hey Elochai, could you please stop sourcing DisturbedMB? I know it's your site and all, and it's 100% reliable, but it doesn't pass the reliable source policy. I've just gone through a bunch of article and removed the references to DisturbedMB. It is simply not in compliance with Wikipedia's source rules. -- The Guy complain edits 20:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Absal
Hello TheWeakWilled, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of Absal - a page you tagged - because: The article makes a credible assertion of notability, sufficient to pass A7. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 04:09, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Etienne_Aigner
Third party, published sources are cited and included. Redundant Cite Ref tag will be removed accordingly.Starstylers (talk) 11:04, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

And You're an expert editor right?
Don't be a pedant. The article is better than that other shit your friend three posts above is masturbating about.

Then why complain about a good article?
I don't mean to sound nasty. I understand your position- however, it's concise, well-written, and referrenced. Go bother those perverts who write pages upon pages about porn actresses. I think Wikipedia could do without that kind of rubbish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Starstylers (talk • contribs) 11:26, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Here you go
Go knock yourself out, kiddo. There's plenty: List of female porn stars. Plenty of questionable ref-cites int that tawdry lot —Preceding unsigned comment added by Starstylers (talk • contribs) 11:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Tour dates
The issue is not speculation in Viva la Vida Tour‎, it's WP:NOT: Wikipedia articles are not, quote "Directories, directory entries, electronic program guide, or a resource for conducting business. For example, an article on a radio station should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules."

Piano non troppo (talk) 01:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Humorous vandalism
I found one vandalism edit that had my laughing for well over 3 minutes and I added it to your userpage, I was looking for the one where someone vandalized the beginging of this article and changed "death metal" to "hip hop" but this is loads funnier. • GunMetal Angel  22:42, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't eiher, they kind of had time to grow on me, but I'm still not a giant lover, what I mostly like is metalcore & deathcore. • GunMetal Angel  05:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

August 2009
Before adding a category to an article, please make sure that the subject of the article really belongs in the category that you specified according to Wikipedia's categorization guidelines. Categories must also be supported by the article's verifiable content. Categories may be removed if they are deemed incorrect for the subject matter.  C  anniba loki  17:50, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
 C  anniba loki  18:06, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Zijan
Just a friendly note on Zijan. I declined the speedy because G8 doesn't really apply here. If the disamb isn't needed anymore, I'd suggest just changing it to a redirect to Zijan, Yemen. Cheers! -- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  22:46, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

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 * Ah, ok. What exactly must I show to prove the members are notable? Morbus Rising (talk) 16:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * By magazine articles, I assume you'd like full articles that focused on one or the other member, not a band feature, right? Morbus Rising (talk) 14:37, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. Well, the band has a new album coming out on the 22nd of September, and I plan to buy the cd/dvd. Maybe that will have some information. Also, how do you create references? I am unfamiliar with how to set those up. Morbus Rising (talk) 22:11, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks for the barnstar. Joe Chill (talk) 17:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Canvassing and AFD listings
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Re: Articles for deletion nomination of Epilogue (web site)
I do not know what 'NN website' is, but if you explain I am willing to improve the article.--Dchmelik (talk) 03:07, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Well....
I'm not terribly surprised to see this. Just a question, though: in your nom you state, "Other live albums have also been deleted." Are you referring to Phish albums or live albums in general? If you're referring to Phish albums, please lmk which ones you're referring to; if you're referring to live albums in general, I'm not sure what it has to do with anything. I didn't think this was a question germane to the AfD, so that's why I'm asking on your talk. If you think it will have a bearing on the AfD, feel free to copy it to there. &mdash; Music  Maker  5376  20:21, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Boston (band)
In regard to the Did You Know nomination of Boston (band), see Did you know/Additional rules, rule A5. Under these rules, it doesn't matter how bad the previous content of an article was; the article can only be accepted for DYK if it has been expanded by a 5 to 1 ratio. Sorry about that. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:15, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

User_talk:MilborneOne
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removing edits
damn thought i wud get away with it,dont want the article to be deleted because its got some nice info such as the viewpoints of terrorist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.18.223.124 (talk) 23:28, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

More humorous vandalism
This was pretty funny, it's an edit torwards Underoath's sixth album Lost in the Sound of Separation, it's generally funny because it's parodying the contest that Underoath did before the release of it, the contest was that they wanted all their male fans to grow beards and take a picture of their beard-growing progress daily (see the website Septembeard for more info) however, I didn't post it on your userpage because I don't want it to seem as if I'm promoting the general parodying of Underoath, because they're honestly one of my favorite bands. But I still wanted someone to see this. • GunMetal Angel  22:24, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * haha. Underoath isn't that bad of a band.  I like August Burns Red better when it comes to Christian Metal, but both are great bands.  Thanks for sharing!   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 23:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

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Reply from DM

 * What was your reasoning for removing the Three Days Grace albums from the Jive Record Albums category? I am confused... Daniel Musto (talk) 23:22, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I added the Jive records albums to the . If a category can contain another category it is practical to nest them.  This is so that every album doesn't have categories like "Live albums" or "Rock albums".  See WP:SUBCAT.   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 23:45, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joachim Cronman (3rd nomination)
Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at. Thank you. Eastmain (talk) 23:20, 25 October 2009 (UTC) (Using )

AN/I
Hello,. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- Cycl o pia talk  10:43, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Funny vandalism posts on your userpage
Hey there. I'm a little bit concerned about some of the diffs on your userpage pointing to 'funny' vandalism. Although some may consider edits like this to be funny, others consider it to be quite juvenile and even offensive. But the reason I'm concerned is of course per WP:DENY, although it's good that you do have that notice to "do not vandalize just to be put here" disclaimer. Basically, it's not really that big of a deal, and even I too have some funny diffs on one of my subpages, but maybe a better idea would be to contribute these diffs to the dedicated site: BJAODN. Would you please consider this? Regards, &oelig; &trade; 22:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Would making it a userpage and making it hidden (ie nothing links to it, one would have to go to my contribs, userpages) be a better idea?  Or should I just take it off in its entirety (some of them are on the borderline of funny, and some even have a slight BLP issue, ie this edit)?   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 22:16, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes that one is indeed concerning per BLP policy. Like I said, I think the best thing would be to remove it entirely, but you could keep a few of tame ones on a subpage if you want. -- &oelig; &trade; 22:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I removed them, I don't think what I have on the userpage is violating any rules (though is emailing me for the list against the rules?), and if you look at my recent contribs, you can see what I left, which shouldn't violate BLP.   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 22:51, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you, everything is fine. :)
 * Also remember that you can add more if you want to the BJAODN site. == &oelig; &trade; 02:31, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Rory Blackwell
Thanks for the clarification on the nominating editor's role. From the signoff in the nomination ("Many thanks, Rory"), I'd assumed the nom was Rory. TJRC (talk) 22:33, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Re. Themes from S'Express - the Best Of
Hello! The website links you mention (Amazon etc.) do erroneously list the album title as 'Themes from S'Express - the Best Of S'Express' but this is common on-line practise to enable searches to find an album - (ie typing in "best of s'express" would then link to it) and to help boost sales. However, the correct album title remains 'Themes from S'Express - the Best Of' and should be listed as such. I do own the album in question and have verified it's correct title. For info I only create or update album or single pages if I actually own the recording. Hope this helps. Anything else let me know :) Davidkt 20:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Rollback
✅ - see my comments here Fritzpoll (talk) 08:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Magibon
I've re-nominated her for deletion. Pisomojado (talk) 07:08, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Non-admin deletions
Hi, I see that you did a non-admin closure on Articles for deletion/Grzegorz Michalski, I have absolutely no problem with that, it was certainly appropriate. I'm confused though as to how the page gets deleted in cases like that. I've read WP:NAC and WP:DPR and still don't understand what to do. Thanks, J04n(talk page) (a fellow non-admin)
 * I nominated the page for speedy deletion. User:Black Kite deleted it, and either wasn't aware of the AFD, didn't want to close the AFD, or I closed it first.  Non-admins aren't able to delete pages.   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 00:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I see, did you bring up the AfD discussion in the nomination? (You don't have to send the Tb, I'm watching this page) J04n(talk page) 00:40, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, the afd template was already on the page, so it is possible the deleting admin looked there as well. When speedy tagging it I placed  on the page. The admins have access to a log or some sort of list that have pages that have been speedy tagged, and then go to pages and decide whether or not to delete it.   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 00:56, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks J04n(talk page) 01:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem!  TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 01:17, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

ATR
OTHERDATE : In the main text of articles, the form 1996–present should not be used, though it is preferred in infoboxes and other crowded templates or lists. --Kmaster (talk) 00:48, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. --Kmaster (talk) 01:44, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Cojones aside
Probably best not to nac now that the user has accused me of finding the AfD by stalking the first and only two wikipedia edits he ever made. I'm off to join project pseudoscience and COI an article about me and my clairvoyance.... --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 23:01, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * hehe. I'd just say wait for it to snowball keep votes.  The article isn't going anywhere, and nom is most likely another account, since not many people do their first edits on AFD.   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 23:13, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Question
Please be careful, there was no reason to rollback this edit. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 14:01, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Pete townshend and Jimmy Page
Thanks for attempting to look into this, however the individual in question Sciberking is a sockpuppet account attempting to push a Pro-Jimmy Page, anti-Pete Towshend agenda based of his edits on the I can't explain, Pete Townshend page. See the Wiki Libs Sock Puppet investigation and Scieberking was found to have been numerous socks, however has yet to be banned. He has edited/deleted information based on his POV... Anyway on the subject: I can't seem to find why it can't be kept in, but if you point it out what passage it is that keeps it from exclusion, which i can't seem to find any of, I am more then willing to let it go, --Occultaphenia (talk) 02:31, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but I was wondering what aspect/rule does it come under not to keep it in? Are you saying it needs to be a direct quote?

Its was actually sourced and that page had quotes. Jimmy Page: "The music that influenced the first Led Zeppelin album was Muddy Waters, [Pete] Townshend, [Joan] Baez, a lot of rockabilly. "

If you could point to the rule on Reliable sources which it excludes it, that'd be cool. -thanks again --Occultaphenia (talk) 02:52, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Could you explain why this link is allegably contestable, but not these: (http://www.wright.edu/cola/Dept/eng/blakelock/rockweb2/rockpgs/w97/wright1b.html

(http://www.snakepit.org/answers03.html and http://www.cathedralstone.net/Pages/PearlJam1.htm), for other Rock stars being influenced by Townshend are Okay to include? --Occultaphenia (talk) 09:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

You deserve it too!!!
Same pinch....!!!! arun talk  16:00, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks!  TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 16:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

December 2009
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you recently tried to give Two Daughters (Numb3rs) a different title by copying its content and pasting it into another page with a different name. This is known as a "cut and paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is needed for attribution and various other purposes. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page. This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other articles that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:59, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

CyanogenMod AfD
Just a quick note regarding the AfD you created at Articles for deletion/CyanogenMod (3rd nomination). I voted keep, as the admin who restored the article, and I also removed the Not a Vote template that you applied to the page. There's nothing wrong with the AfD itself, esspecially for an article that has been deleted numerous times already. However, you may want to refrain from applying templates that within the context with which you applied the Not a Vote template will generally only create animosity and incite a wave of personal attacks. Simply list the reasons for deletion, and let the community weigh in.

Is it a perfect process? Absolutely not. However, this is one of the reasons that we admins have a Speedy Delete authority, and is also one of the reasons that only admins and well established editors can close an AfD. If you make a strong, valid argument, and then find yourself overwhelmed by a string of socks and SPA's who are disagreeing with you for personal reasons or to protect a vested interest, then you want to bring that to someone's attention, either on the main AfD talk page, or one of the Administrator notice boards.

All in all, an AfD is by no means a final verdict on an article, so there really isn't any need to get too wrapped up. In fact, if you have valid material for the article that is critical, just go and add it to the article. Hiberniantears (talk) 13:05, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries, mate. I've made far more of a spectacle of myself in these parts over the years than anything you're doing. Keep up the good work. I just wanted to mitigate any issues where in this case I know the concerns are (at least for the moment) unfounded. I'll admit I've only considered a few of the sources in identifying the valid ones, but from a cleanup perspective, please feel free to eliminate any garbage citations in the article, and feel free to say I asked you to do as much in your edit summaries. Hiberniantears (talk) 04:15, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Removing AfD comments you disagree with
You are entitled to your own opinion, but would you please stop removing other people's comments? –Henning Makholm (talk) 23:16, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

RfA thankspam
Commented out as there were coding problems

Thank you!
Thank you! No sure how that went in. --HappyInGeneral (talk) 13:50, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. Thank you again! --HappyInGeneral (talk) 13:55, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi..A little advice..undo the good willed mistakes by white-listed users rather than reverting it...undoing will be less painful and more friendly towards the user... :) arun  talk  14:00, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the quickie revert on my page ;) JRHorse (talk) 16:59, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

RfA Thanks
MrKIA11 (talk) 12:39, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Bye and Happy Christmas


''Please accept my advanced Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.I will not be able to wish you on those days as I will be taking a Wiki break for one month starting tomorrow. Also wishing you a Happy editing.. :) '' arun  talk  06:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Alma mater
I have the same opinion as you at Template_talk:Infobox_officeholder on alma mater. Please comment there for the same reform you are proposing at infobox person. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:52, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

RE: Project 86
Hey, thanks. I could use any help you have to offer. -- Noj r (talk) 19:55, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Knives Out
You always have the option of creating a new, better version of the article which properly cites the sources — but the exact text of the original article was Est in 2008 in their hometown of Baltimore, MD. Five friends...members of HellYeah, Nothingface, Dog Fashion Disco and PolkaDot Cadaver come together and form KNIVES OUT! It isn't pretty and it isn't safe. In a world of copy cat bands KNIVES OUT! stands up to deliver to the world a breath of fresh air to a stagnant, plagiaristic genre. Go hard or go home...horns up and KNIVES OUT! Lately on thier myspace page they put a statement said:

Album is finished!!! We are very proud to say that we have finally finished our record. We are extremely proud of this album and feel that it represents exactly what our vision was when we started the band. There will be big announcements soon about management/label/tours etc. Stay tuned Knives Out! is planning on a big year in 2010.

Deletion doesn't mean a band can never have an article, if a higher-quality one that better demonstrates the band's notability can be written — but there's no value in restoring that version of the article rather than starting over from scratch. Bearcat (talk) 02:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's far easier than some people think to write a deletable article about a keepable topic :-) Bearcat (talk) 02:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)