User talk:TheWhitstableWarne

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Happy editing! Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:35, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Bat and/& Ball
Hello.

I notice that you just moved Bat and Ball Ground to The Bat & Ball Ground. This is a potential problem.

In general, if there's any doubt about whether a move is a good idea it needs to be discussed first. The problem in this case is that just about every source I can find uses and rather than & - most notably Howard Milton's history of the ground (which uses an ampersand on the cover but nowhere else - this was commissioned by Gravesend CC in 1999 and there's bound to be a copy at the club) and his book about Kent cricket grounds published this year. I don't see an ampersand anywhere really in any of the sources which are sort of reliable.

I've moved it back for now and will copy the guts of this comment to the article talk page. This needs to be discussed properly and a view taken on the best title for the article after that. Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:43, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello

Thanks for your message.

The sources I have found that include & instead of and are the official Gravesend Cricket Club website, the playing facilities section of the Gravesend Play Cricket website and the sign outside the centenary gates on Wrotham Road. TheWhitstableWarne (talk) 14:40, 1 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's very clear that both & and and are used at times, vaguely interchangeably. In print, however, and seems to be much more frequent - and if Milton's using it as such (given his association with Gravesend CC) I do think we'd be better off keeping and in the article title. Blue Square Thing (talk) 15:32, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I am happy to keep the page as it is. I suspect there may have been a change in name after the book was published, hence why cricinfo says and but the modern road signs and websites use &.

I will have a look in the pavilion in April to see if there are any other documents that can provide any more information. TheWhitstableWarne (talk) 15:48, 1 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a decent idea to me. The most recent book was this year btw, and Howard was still using and throughout that fwiw. Blue Square Thing (talk) 16:38, 1 December 2020 (UTC)