User talk:The Anome/archive 13

Sources for geodata
Lat/Longs get added to many articles but the sources are not given. For some closed railway stations the added coords are off even without the extra problem that for long-closed stations the very location can be indicated differently by different old sources. I suspect that whoever/whatever adds the Lat/Longs just spots a point on a map and lets a script convert and insert. If that is so then, however useful coords could be, their addition does not meet WP standards.

Moreover degrees are given typically to an unwarranted five places of decimals, .00001 of a degree is of the order of one metre (even less E-W away from the equator), and most geographical features are physically ill defined and have an extent way beyond that. Some who insert coordinates cannot appreciate the difference between accuracy and precision, giving five decimal places does not make a number correct.--SilasW (talk) 11:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I am quite aware of these issues. For the moment, Wikipedia's geocoding community doesn't yet make any pretence that we are providing professional GIS-quality geodata, and any data, even of indeterminate accuracy and represented to excessive precision, is better than no data. (Having said which, some locations are already remarkably accurate.)


 * However, we have aspirations to greater things, and there is a rolling program of improvement aimed at standardizing the treatment of geographic coordinates across Wikipedia. In particular, the precision vs. accuracy issue is well understood, and a solution is being worked on. If you have access to better data, relevant GIS expertise, or simply enthusiasm and a willingness to work on the problems we currently have, you are welcome to join WikiProject Geographical coordinates and to help us fix it! -- The Anome (talk) 12:31, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Note
Why are the subnodes of, for example, Category:Local_Government_Areas_of_the_Northern_Territory, not showing up in the scanner output? -- The Anome (talk) 09:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅ Found and fixed. -- The Anome (talk) 17:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

To do: articles with empty category-sort-tags where the category has the same name as the article should not be skipped. -- The Anome (talk) 09:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

A study on how to cover scientific uncertainties/controversies
Hi. I would like to ask whether you would agree to participate in a short survey on how to cover scientific uncertainties/controversies in articles pertaining to global warming and climate change. If interested, please get in touch via my talkpage or email me Encyclopaedia21 (talk) 19:14, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

My "linkbombing" of Scientology on RantMedia
I've responded to your comment on my talk page. ₪—  Ce lt  ic Wonder  ( T · C ) 23:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC)  "


 * I've replied there. Thanks for letting me know! -- The Anome (talk) 07:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Locate Me discussion
I was guided to a small discussion of Locate me at User talk:Rich Farmbrough. Am I right in thinking you added coord missing to articles which had Locate me on their talk page. If so, do you revisit that task periodically? --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I did this some time ago, but I don't revisit the task regularly. -- The Anome (talk) 10:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

To do
Deal with geotagging of articles within the Category:Dependent territories by country category tree. -- The Anome (talk) 10:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅ by hand, starting from a CatScan. -- The Anome (talk) 23:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

New task for your bot?
Did we ever think it might be worthwhile to leave a note on the talk page of the originator of each article that is missing geo-tags, inviting them to geo-tag the page? I'd be grateful if you'd give the idea consideration. thanks. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

FIPS region code page
Your page User:The Anome/FIPS region codes contains a line:
 * PM08 Bocas del Toro, Panama

The link redirects to Bocas Town, Bocas del Toro. In Panama, Bocas del Toro is the name of a city/town, district, province, archipelago, and an airport. That FIPS region code appears to refer to the province. The link to the Bocas del Toro Province article would be Bocas del Toro Province. TravelAuthor (talk) 14:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It was PM01, rather than PM08, in the original file, but I've fixed it (PM01) to point to Bocas del Toro Province. -- The Anome (talk) 14:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Block of User:Stinkykong
I was wondering if you could review your block User_talk:Stinkykong. I've been in contact with this individual via OTRS who has been having technical difficulties figuring out how to request an appeal of the block, and your e-mail is not enabled. Please consider reviewing your block and/or post a more detailed explanation of why you blocked. Thanks for your consideration.-Andrew c [talk] 15:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The blocking reason was simple: the word "stinky". This, and other usernames with similar connotations, tend to get blocked for their potential to be disruptive to civil discourse (not to mention the often-observed correlation between such usernames and actual disuptive behavior.) I'll unblock for now; could you please suggest to the user that they choose something a bit more pleasant for a new username? -- The Anome (talk) 16:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

NRHP coordinates revisit
I'm noticing a bunch of NRHP-listed archeological sites in Puerto Rico on my watchlist, including Paso del Indio Site, getting tagged for coordinates missing by your AnomeBot. I created a number of Puerto Rico NRHP articles recently I am not sure if this one is listed in the NRIS database as "address restricted" or not. But, what is the status of your effort to exclude NRIS address restricted ones? I also recall you were intending to go back and un-tag mistakenly tagged ones. doncram (talk) 00:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I took my eye off the ball regarding that, I'm afraid. I'm working on it now, from a number of different directions: see Category:NRHP temporary tracking category and User:The Anome/NHRP detaggables for two of them. The other is dump-based. -- The Anome (talk) 15:15, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, I've found and fixed 140 of them already based on exact title matches, and I have a list of around 1400 other candidates (most of which are false positives) ready for scanning by their NRHP reference numbers. I have also added code to prevent pages containing infobox nrhp from being tagged in the first place. -- The Anome (talk) 17:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've now done all of the above, and some more: please see your talk page for the details. -- The Anome (talk) 23:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Eat My Beef, Sarah Palin!
Can you unblock this name please? I didn't realize that the user was renamed, so a block really isn't necessary. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 22:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll remove the IP block and account creation blocks, and also the existing autoblock; but I believe that it's policy that the old versions of renamed user accounts should be blocked as a matter of course, so I'll let that stay. -- The Anome (talk) 22:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, I caused some trouble for you with my now non-existent Health Wikispace article. I wanted to apologize for any difficulties I caused. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smkatz (talk • contribs) 03:16, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Tagging area codes
Hmm.. should your bot be tagging area codes at all? -- &oelig; &trade; 05:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It's a judgment call, but since NANP area codes are entities with clearly defined geographic boundaries, I think the answer is "yes." However, this is a one-off: I have not added telephone area codes to the general heuristics, so there won't be any more tagging of area codes except by explicit manual intervention. -- The Anome (talk) 08:06, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

To do

 * Deal properly with cases of "X in/of Y by city/province/state" in category names. -- The Anome (talk) 12:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oblasts, RC dioceses and airport/airfield/RAF stations -- The Anome (talk) 14:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * PRC geography stubs -- The Anome (talk) 15:05, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Coordinates
I notice that you've added Template:coord missing to a lot of articles recently. I would like to advise you that, for articles that pertains to locations in Hong Kong, it is better to use than. Although Hong Kong is now a special territory under Chinese sovereignty, it has its own category on the list of articles missing geocoordinate data (Category:Hong Kong articles missing geocoordinate data). By putting the articles into the Hong Kong category, it is easier for Hong Kong Wikipedians to find out about those articles and contribute to them. Thanks. - Alan (talk) 10:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Not a problem. I will recategorize these in the next few days. -- The Anome (talk) 10:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * And by the way please consider tagging the articles about locations in the People's Republic by 'People's Republic of China' instead of simply 'China'. Umofomo (talk) 17:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Unneccesary missing coordinates template
I've noticed you, in the guise of your bot User:The Anomebot2, have added for the Anglican and Roman Catholic dioceses in the United Kingdom and Ireland. Some of these dioceses are very large. The Diocese of Aberdeen and Orkney or the Diocese of Argyll and the Isles (Episcopal) cover large swaths of northern Scotland. To what coordinates could be give for those very large dioceses? The Apostolic Exarchate for Ukrainians in Great Britain covers the whole of Great Britain. Which specific coordinate would be used for such a large Exarchate? I just don't see the reason for coordinates for these very large areas. Even some of the smaller dioceses are still cover large areas. For example: the Diocese of Oxford covers the counties of Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire and Berkshire. It seems inconceivable to cite a particular coordinate for that diocese. Coordinates are really for specific places. Could you please explain why you’ve added the missing coordinates template to those dioceses? Scrivener-uki (talk) 18:10, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Surely the correct coordinate for the Apostolic Exarchate for Ukrainians in Great Britain is that of their cathedral, as per the article? Regarding the others, I think the cathedral location may well work for other dioceses up to county size. I'll take a look, and see if I can back off some of the larger cases which are larger than county-sized, which I agree make no real sense.


 * I will also take a look at the infoboxes for these articles, and harvest cathedral locations where available. It would also make sense to make appropriate links for the cathedral entries, where currently missing. -- The Anome (talk) 18:15, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The United States doesn't have any coordinates for good reason, its too large. The United States article infobox does cite the coordinates for its capital city, Washington, D.C. I was going to say "Perhaps there could be something similar be done with the dioceses. Rather than citing the coordinates for the actual diocese, instead the cite catherdral's coordinates. That would make much more sense." but you beat me to it. Yes I agree its better to use the coordinates for the cathedral than meaningless ones for the whole diocese. -- Scrivener-uki (talk) 18:40, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello
Thanks for your support. I've created Category:Tokelau articles missing geocoordinate data BTW, need to fill out a stub category that's all! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 19:35, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Strange cat-sort after bot
You fixed a bot-edit to boiler explosion by adding '| ' to two category names. As a result, the article appears at the wrong place in these cats. In neither case is the article significant (or relevant) enough to appear at the top of the list. (This syntax is often used to highlight a 'main' article within a category - it's neater than using a star or other symbol). I have reverted the change.

Is there a different way of marking such pages? Maybe a template showing 'coords not required' that the bot could look for? Relying on the pipe syntax to control the bot would seem, at best, unreliable, especially as there is no indication of why it was done.

Have there been other instances that need correction? (That is, applied by you for bot control; you can't just blanket search-and-remove!)

EdJogg (talk) 10:38, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ships
Anomebot has just tagged a bunch of ship articles with coord missing. Apparently it's using the 'Ship built in [state]' categories (e.g., , ). It seems to me that if ship articles get coords, it should be the current location of the ship or its remains. But mostly they shouldn't get coords at all. —WWoods (talk) 15:58, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * If the bot has worked correctly, they should all be shipwrecks, and the location intended is that of the wreck. However, I can see that the subcategorization to the state, which, as you say, is driven by the presence of the state's name in a subcategory, is incorrect: I need to think how I can prevent this happening again, and then undo the cases added thus far. -- The Anome (talk) 16:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, I know what the problem is, and how to solve it. It'll need a little bit of coding to work backwards from the logs and category tree to generate the appropriate replacements. I'll have a go in a few days time. -- The Anome (talk) 21:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Scottish articles tagged as being in Hertfordshire
Hi, I've been going throught Category:Hertfordshire articles missing geocoordinate data and have noticed that your bot seems to tag articles about locations in Scotland as being in Hertfordshire if no category exists for articles with missing coordinates in the particular Scottish county. You fixed Caterthun manually yesterday, for which the bot had reversed my correction, and I've just found Tap o' Noth that has the same problem. I know that bots will always make a few mistakes, but could you please make sure, at least, that it doesn't undo other editors' corrections? Phil Bridger (talk) 19:54, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow. That's a weird bug. I'll track down the root cause and fix it. It might take a few days: I'm busy on off-wiki tasks for a few days. -- The Anome (talk) 21:19, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've found the root cause of the problem: Category:Hill forts in Scotland had been categorized as belonging to Category:History of Hertfordshire, and the bot's simple-minded upward category traversal found then took it at face value. I've removed it from that category, which will cure the category graph weirdness as of the next dump. Stopping the bot from following arcs upwards from categories naming constituent countries would also have caught this: I've now also added some code to catch that. -- The Anome (talk) 09:08, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Also to do: deal with "_Club is a club" special case... 155 articles are potentially taggable. -- The Anome (talk) 15:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

RfD nomination of Book of Leviticus
I have nominated for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Arlen22 (talk) 15:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Behavior of Dicklyon
Hi Anome: Please take a look at Talk:Wavelength. I wrote a sub-section on General waveforms that Dicklyon deleted. I rewrote it several times. It is very well cited. Dick deleted it again and again. I sent out a RfC and Dick will not let the material stand long enough to obtain any comments.

Subsequently I wrote a second sub-section on Local wavelength, and again Dick deleted this material, despite sources.

I think Dick is out of line. Please advise me of how this can be handled. Brews ohare (talk) 16:45, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * "Local wavelength" certainly seems to be a commonly used term: wavelength" a search for "local wavelength" on Google Scholar gives 1,320 hits. I'll investigate further. -- The Anome (talk) 18:41, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the interest. Dicklyon is in a mode to erase anything I add. Brews ohare (talk) 21:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

proper linking in Square Hebrew
Hey there, please take a little more time adding link brackets. captivity in Babylon doesn't exist, Babylonian captivity does. Take a few moments to figure this kind of stuff out, then you can either insert captivity in Babylon or create a redirect at captivity in Babylon. Cheers, Dan ☺ 11:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Please be patient wrt fair-use issues
IMO, deleting images that are the subject of ifdc's is bad form, since such issues are best addressed and determined via these discussions at the ifdc and not so much by mere fiat. ↜Just  M &thinsp;E here&#8202;,&#8202;now  06:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't delete the image: I removed it from the page. I see that you regard the other image as -- and I quote -- a '(culturally) "riske" modeling pic'. I know a number of Muslim women. Sometimes they wear headscarves when out in public, some don't. Do you really consider this image "risqué", or are you being vicariously outraged on behalf of other people you have never met?  -- The Anome (talk) 06:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * And, Anome, your explanation that you "didn't delete the image" overlooks the fact that orphaned images become deleted automatically! (...In any case, I do think the modeling pic looks pretty good. In any case, Anome, alas you'd apparently have no conception as to why the protesters are protesting if you believe the pic not somewhat culturally controversial in Iran. I do know some Iranian-Americans, but ... "Salaamualaikum! ... my good friend and landlord is Turkish and his mother, who used to live upstairs (before her son got married) wore/wears a headscarf.) ↜Just  M &thinsp;E here&#8202;,&#8202;now  07:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * They become deleted after 7 days, entirely enough time to have a sensible debate arriving at a conclusion. The fact of eventual deletion is not, ever, a reason to keep them in the article. Indeed, to err on the side of caution, one would sensibly remove the image from the article and debate its use; rather than keep it in the article on the off chance that the community buys into a fair use rationale. The bottom line is that getting pissy about whether the image is or is not in the article whilst the deletion debate is ongoing is just wasting all of our time. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Costa Rican hospitals
Any idea how you find the coordinates of say this. It has most of the hospitals on google maps but I can't find the decimal coordinates! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 19:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Click through, left-click to recentre the map, select link in top right, extract decimal coordinate from it - the two numbers after the &ll in the top field. I don't think there's a much better way since the coords are not embedded in the orginal URL (or if they are - in the 2840982436983207032 string - I'm not sure how to extract them reliably). In this case, 9.93423°N, -84.08764°W --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Andrea Dworkin
I have reassessed this article and found issues with the referencing which need to be addressed if the article is to retain GA status. The reassessment comments are at Talk:Andrea Dworkin/GA1. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:30, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Coordinates Barnstar

 * Thank you. I greatly appreciate it. -- The Anome (talk) 22:25, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Geodata transcription
Could you transfer the coordinates listed in List of lakes in Nova Scotia to the new articles? Dr. Blofeld       [ [User talk:Dr. Blofeld 13:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes I can, and I'd be very happy to do a similar job on any other similar pages you might have. -- The Anome (talk) 13:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

You might want to check out the articles created by User:AlbertHerring also. I did start the missing mountains from List of mountains in the Andes yesterday too,. Later I'll finish off the New Zealand rivers and make a start on the Cezech Republic municipalities me thinks. What I'll do is generate them at pace, so if you could retrieve the coordinates from Czech wiki after they are created this would be very helpful. Thanks for your help. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 12:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, I've now tranferred the coordinates for those articles about lakes in Nova Scotia that are both linked to on that page and actually exist. The bot performed its usual sanity checks and refused to tag a number of them, because they are actually links to disambig pages:

and also complained about Paul Lake being a person. -- The Anome (talk) 16:59, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

OK thanks! I'll create the others now. Yes you may want to plough through some of the List of castles in Austria, List of castles in Belgium, List of castles in Latvia, List of castles in Sweden etc. Most of the articles can be expanded from the other wikipedia but I believe I started about 1000 missing ones. I'm currently getting the Czech municipalities started so will also need the coordinates transferred from Czech wikipedia. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 09:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

OK I've fixed those. 'Fraid I get easily frustrated with disamb work on places with thre same name within the same district. There appears to be a number of lakes which have the same name in the same district. I have no idea how to disamb those and doubt I'll have the patience too! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 11:13, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Check out this See User talk:Jimbo Wales. Imagine what we could do if wikimapia was a part of our project. Could this be the break we've bene looking for? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 10:14, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, Wikimapia is an ideal interface, but I'm unclear about the current copyright/licensing status of Wikimapia data, and whether it's possible even in principle to make it free. If only we had a Wikimapia-like interface that used OpenStreetMap base maps, I'd be delighted. Perhaps we could liase with the OSM team about creating one?


 * On another note, I'm still having problems with disambiguation; it's clear that the list of lakes in Nova Scotia hasn't yet been fully hand-checked for ambiguities. For example, it currently has a link to a single article, Lizard Lake, for four different Lizard Lakes within the list. Unfortunately, if these sorts of errors are introduced when generating these stub pages, the bot, which has only a limited set of error-checking heuristics, will end up inserting coordinates into the wrong articles. I generally try to ensure an error rate of less than 1% in my bot edits, which would require less than two disambig errors on this page. Is there any way I can help you in this process? -- The Anome (talk) 10:25, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah don't worry about, disamb work is indeed very gruelling. If it produces errors I'd leave it. No probs. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 10:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, it's a pain, (for example, by far the grestest effort in running my bot are the manual QA spot-checks and resulting hand-cleanup and coding of heuristics to catch new classes of errors) but there are things we could potentially do to help the process using automation. For example, items on lists could be cross-referenced with category membership, and discrepancies flagged, multiple links to the same article could be detected, and names which correspond to multiple existing articles with different qualifying suffixes could be automatically flagged as needing further checking. -- The Anome (talk) 10:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Me again, some help, can you add coord missing|Moldova or even find the coordinates to the articles created by this user. I've tried to inform him how easy it is to add infoboxes but he is under the impression it will involve months rather than seconds of work. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 17:21, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The bot has now added coordinates to many of ‎User:Biruitorul's recent articles, as part of a normal dump-driven run, and should have marked the rest with coord missing|Moldova. It should pick up the rest of them after the next dump lands. If you could please give me a model example of the sort of infobox that needs adding to these articles, I'll see what I can do. -- The Anome (talk) 21:45, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Are you sure the coordinates for Kerripit River are correct? All that needas doing for Moldova is copying the same infobox to every articles and just changing the name and inserting the coordinates. If you work through districts this is all you have to change and then when you start another district just change the district name like Vîşcăuţi. I'm certain it could be done by bot. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 10:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You're right: the GNS coordinates for the Kerripit River place it in the middle of the ocean, and are clearly nonsense. Is Vîşcăuţi the example you are suggesting I should copy for the infoboxes? -- The Anome (talk) 11:07, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Query about coords
The coords (51.57495|-0.12567) which it seems your bot2 added to Hornsey Road railway station plot for me at what might be the site of the former Crouch End railway station whose article has (51.57411, -0.12692).--SilasW (talk) 18:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I've added a comment to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject London Transport‎, asking for help with this. -- The Anome (talk) 11:32, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I note your request for help; "plot for me at what might be the site of" is pussyfooting for the more robust "are wrong". I habitually plot co-ordinates given to check that they fall closer than being in the ball park. I'm always leery of bots. But where does yours find the values to insert? There are a couple of "good" station history sites which are marred by what are clearly typing errors such as years off by a century (19.. for 18..) or words omitted from the narrative. Above I said that many co-ordinates, even if accurate, go into articles with an unwarranted "precision". I should think the program that inserts them could have such code as "if Railway Station article then output only to (equivalent of one thousanth of a degree.)" For railway stations, whose names change and even get recycled, blind bottery seems asking for error.--SilasW (talk) 13:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * In this case, the bot is merely an automated helper for human geocoders. The bot first searches for articles which might be appropriate for geocoding, and then adds them to a pending list at User:The Anome/Disused and heritage UK railway stations still lacking coordinates. The northing/easting coordinates for these locations are then selected by human beings based on out-of-copyright pre-Beeching-axe OS maps. The bot then converts these into lat/long values, and inserts them into articles using the coord template.


 * Regarding over-precision: there are long-term plans to decouple the precision of the internal representation and the actual known accuracy of the estimate of the location; the details of these are being worked out.


 * Fortunately, User:Iridescent has now fixed the coordinates to point to what seems to me to be the probable correct location. -- The Anome (talk) 20:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Curious
Hi there. I'm curious as to why your bot added coord missing|Glasgow on a couple of theatre articles I created. One of them being Glasgow Empire Theatre. I presume it means coordinates missing? Could you tell me what is the purpose of this? Thanks. Coll Mac (talk) 16:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Answered on OP's talk page.

Coordinate duplication in Infobox Military Structure
Hi,

It's been a while…

Please note This Bot request. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 10:28, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Bulgaria articles missing geocoordinate data
I recently went through this category and geotagged most articles in it. You might be interested to see what is left, most of them concern future wind energy, hydropower, pipeline or other infrasctructure projects for which the location has not yet been determined. You may consider changing The Anomebot so that such articles are not tagged with coord missing. Maybe articles containing words such as "planned", "proposed", "future" should not be tagged ("under construction" should be)? My 2 stotinki... Preslav (talk) 16:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

To do
Why was Iwaki-Asakawa Station not detected by the building/structure heuristics? -- The Anome (talk) 18:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Dating of geotags
OK. Rich Farmbrough, 23:11, 25 July 2009 (UTC).


 * Thank you! -- The Anome (talk) 23:12, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Cold Fire (product)
An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is Cold Fire (product). We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to Articles for deletion/Cold Fire (product) (2nd nomination). Please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate.

Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 01:09, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Missing Coord Missing
Not sure if you're soliciting suggestions for categories which have articles which do not have coord missing, but fwiw I just came across Peterborough Cathedral, which had no coord. I'll put a coord on it in a second; you might look at the cats & see if there are any your bot would like to mine. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:51, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I am. I'll take a look. -- The Anome (talk) 22:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Answer: It contained an Expand list template, which caused the bot to reject it as a probable list article. -- The Anome (talk) 22:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay. I'll tip you off if I come across any more; thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * By a bit of grepping through logs, followed by manual cleanup, I've found another 216 articles that seems to have been skipped as false positives for lists. Rather than disabling the heuristic, I've added a special-purpose whitelist just for these 216. -- The Anome (talk) 23:22, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Excellent. Because we were running short of things to coord :) --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:34, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Wales Coord Missing
Our subdivisions of Wales at Category:Wales articles missing geocoordinate data are, officially, doing my head in. There are too many areas of Wales which are not found within any of our nine subdivisions. I propose to implement a new schema based on Preserved counties of Wales, since there are only nine of them & they cover the whole country. I'll nest some of our existing cats, such as Angelsy, under a new parent, so rest assured no cats will be killed during this exercise. Trust you're good with this, but I'll be bold. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:34, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm absolutely fine with this. Let me know when you're done, and I'll update my code to use your new scheme. -- The Anome (talk) 23:39, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. If I do Scotland, I'll let you know. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You seem to have Glamorgan as a single area, making six in all. Is this deliberate? I have a feeling that the Scotland subcategories are more rationally based on real nonoverlapping regions, and (I hope) cover Scotland completely. -- The Anome (talk) 00:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Scotland has gaps, such as the second county from the bottom on the left. In fact there seem to be quite a few: articles for Ayr and Stirling are the most recent for which I cannot find a suitable category. Glamorgan was deliberate - splitting it into three makes the job of working out where a Glamorgan article should be categorised more difficult. We had it as a singleton before, so in fact I've made no change to it. Clearly we can open it up into three if we wish, later, but I have no appetite for it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:41, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That seems reasonable. Can you propose a more rational system for Scotland? -- The Anome (talk) 00:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The first I've come up with is Regions and districts (Scotand), which has 12 at the top level; and which has the advantage of a table expanding it into districts. It's less than the 32 current subdivisions of Scotland. I'd be reasonably confident we can slot all of our existing categories into these 12, so minimising disruption. I'm still looking, so this is an interim conclusion - one which I may act on when happy. I'm assuming that'll work for you. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Scotland's done. I've added Grampian and Strathcylde at the top level, and demoted three old categories beneath these new two.

Scotland

 * IMO we (you, if you're willing) should reparent all articles in Category:North East Scotland articles missing geocoordinate data to live in Category:Grampian articles missing geocoordinate data. The only North East entity I found was a Scottish Parliament constituency, which overlaps with the administrative regions which now form the Scotland schema. If this is done, Category:North East Scotland articles missing geocoordinate data can be deleted. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I've now reparented all the North East Scotland articles to the Grampian category, so Category:North East Scotland articles missing geocoordinate data should now be empty.

Here is what I believe should be the re-mapping from the old subregions to the new: can you confirm that this is accurate? If so, I'll also recategorize the other articles that need moving.

[+] Argyll and Bute     -> Strathclyde? [+] Central Scotland        [remains as is] [+] Dumfries and Galloway   [remains as is] [+] Edinburgh               [remains as is] [+] Fife                    [remains as is] [+] Glasgow                 [remains as is] [+] Highland                [remains as is] [+] Lothians                [remains as is] [+] North East Scotland -> Grampian [+] Orkney and Shetland     [remains as is] [+] Scottish Borders        [remains as is] [+] Tayside                 [remains as is] [+] West of Scotland    -> Strathclyde? [+] Western Isles           [remains as is]

-- The Anome (talk) 12:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Note to self: also create label mappings for the other subcategories within Category:Scotland geography stubs. -- The Anome (talk) 15:13, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yup, those mappings work. North East Scotland does need knocking on the head. I'm easy about whether we kill Argyll& Bute, and West of Scotland, or leave them as sub-cats. Your choice. Per the new Category:Dyfed articles missing geocoordinate data, we're probably as well leaving sub-cats, since those who know the difference between Carmarthenshire, Ceredigion and Pembrokeshire will probably appreciate it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for sorting out Grampian. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:27, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

InsideNorthside - A North Minneapolis Encyclopedia
Hi, I noticed you've edited some articles related to North Minneapolis and I wanted to tell you about a project I'm involved in called InsideNorthside. It's basically a wikipedia for North Minneapolis, built on wikispaces (which is a bit more user-friendly then mediawiki, though not nearly as robust). Anyways, wanted you to know. I'm trying to find some wiki experts to help build an initial user base for the site. Check it out and let me know what you think. http://insidenorthside.org --Ariahfine (talk) 01:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Mass delete/undelete
Why are you using the selective deletion/undeletion tool to remove revisions from page histories? The deleted revisions do not strike me as problematic. -kotra (talk) 03:46, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * They are bot edits which added coordinates from placeopedia. I removed the entries from the history because -- on reflection, after having made the entries via the bot -- I considered that the entries on placeopedia for some articles could be prank entries and/or potential privacy problem if accurate. (For example, two of those entries provided geolocations for living people.) Having decided to remove these entries, I have only removed the specific revisions containing this information, returning the articles to their state before the bot edits. Given the poor signal-to-noise ratio in this small sample, no more edits containing entries from placeopedia are likely in the near future. -- The Anome (talk) 10:15, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation! It's certainly appropriate to selectively delete revisions (and your reversions) that represent a privacy problem, thanks. However, since it does make the page's history a little messy and presents a problem the next time someone wants to selectively delete revisions on that article (not knowing the history, they may unintentionally restore those revisions), I would only do it in cases when one could be reasonably sure there's a privacy violation. Not a big deal though, and I'm not saying it necessarily wasn't justified here. Thanks again! -kotra (talk) 16:44, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Could you please leave a note of what you deleted and why? Are they all about co-ordinates? It was rather confusing to see an article on my watchlist being deleted and restored immediately without an explanation other than "rm revision" --MinorContributor (talk) 21:19, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

AN discussion needs input
A discussion regarding an unblock of a user you previously blocked is underway at WP:AN. Your input would be valuable here. See. -- Jayron  32  19:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Lists of case law


The article Lists of case law has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Unnecessary list article, easily replaced by the category, few pages link to this page (less than a dozen)

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You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing  will stop the Proposed Deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The Speedy Deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and Articles for Deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 07:01, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * That seems fine to me. Delete away! -- The Anome (talk) 10:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Libertarianism (metaphysics)
I have nominated Libertarianism (metaphysics), an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Libertarianism (metaphysics). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Mikaey, Devil's advocate  03:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Warsaw Snooker Tour 2007
The bot keeps adding the Coord missing template, altaugh the article is not geographic. It is about a snooker tournament that was held in 2007. Armbrust (talk) 00:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * That's because it was filed under Category:Visitor attractions in Warsaw, but didn't trigger any of the heuristics intended to catch false positives. The bot is programmed not to hit any article twice; this article got tagged twice because the bot uses articles titles alone to judge whether an article has already been visited, and this article was moved from Warsaw Snooker Tour to Warsaw Snooker Tour 2007 between the two taggings. I've now also added an extra heuristic to stop articles with "tournaments" in the name of any of their categories from being tagged. -- The Anome (talk) 00:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Though we may note that the tourny was held at the Torwar Hall, which has a coordinate. I don't fully understand the impediment to geo-coding this & other tournaments. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I was thinking on the lines that tournaments in many sports are played on multiple sites. Ideally, single-venue tournaments should contain a link to their venue, and the article for that venue should be geocoded. -- The Anome (talk) 00:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I see the logic, but an alternate view is, the tournament was held somewhere, and type:event was purpose-designed for the eventuality. Geo-coding multiple-location tournaments is akin to geo-coding a road or canal, and is not a reason for not coding (rather it's a reason for sorting out a mechanism for multi-point coding). That said, we still have 167k articles to code, so I'm not very anxious about this one way or another. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. Let's do the other 167k first! -- The Anome (talk) 01:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Where do we stand on collections & archives, such as Transport for London Group Archives. The situation appears analogous to tournaments - the collection article may contain a link to their location. Code or not? --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * At the moment, with the exception of linear features such as rivers, canals, roads and railways, I am currently concerned with single-place features, rather than multi-place features. Although I'm mostly concentrating on persistent entities, I'm happy to geocode short-term events if they are unusual and unlikely to be repeated in the normal course of events -- for example, disasters and battles. I'm not in favour of geocoding things that move around, or have ill-defined locations: for example, adding geocodes for corporate headquarters for organizations that mostly exist outside that headquarters, or adding geocodes for people's graves.


 * I think collections and archives are usually geolocatable to a single place, since most of them are permanent collections of physical objects sited in a single persistent location. Tournaments which occupy a single location year after year should also be geocodable to a single place for the same reason.


 * However, this is just my policy for my own bot, which I make up as I go along, and I don't regard this as establishing a precedent or setting policy for anyone else: feel free to use coord missing to tag articles for geocoding if there is a sensible reason to do so. If we want to set policy for the project as a whole, we should discuss this at the WikiProject page. -- The Anome (talk) 08:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Kristian Rex
You recently deleted this as per the tag of recently created implausible redirect (R3). May I ask: were you going based on good faith in the tagger (I presume Ryu/Quant/Elen, I can't check since no history) or did you review it personally? Kristian Rex is clearly listed on the Smart Guy article as the singer who did the opening theme. Furthermore, he's not mentioned anywhere else on Wikipedia and there aren't any other known Kristian Rex's, so it doesn't create any conflicts. I think it is plausible someone hearing the name like "KR is a good singer" might want to know something about him, and basically, this is his only known notable contribution to culture to date. If at some point he does something more notable (most likely he would be listed on other articles in that case) his redirect could have been expanded into an article. Why was it deleted? The concept of implausibility seems stretched. Tyciol (talk) 09:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Let me answer this. Kristian Rex is a real person and is not indicative of anything relating to "Smart Guy" other than being the man who sang the theme song. Creating circular redirects is bad.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 12:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Yemen
Hi. I wondered if I stub all the articles from here, if you could extract the coordinates afterwards? Just click a settlement and it displays the coordinates. Preferrably DMS. It would be much easier if your bot could also add the digits into the infoboxes...  Dr. Blofeld       White cat 11:02, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * There shouldn't be any problem with this: it looks like their coordinates match those from GNS, so I should be able to insert data directly from GNS for these. -- The Anome (talk) 11:07, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Yep I followed suite with two other governorates. You can see the ones I've started at Category:Cities, towns and villages in Yemen go through the new sub cats. Just click the external link of any article in the category and you'll find the list of places, so extracting should be easily done.... thanks  Dr. Blofeld       White cat 17:15, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Now that's very interesting: many of these articles have names that contain words starting with lowercase letters, where GNS uses initial capital letters for the same words. Currently, my bot code is case-sensitive when performing name matching, something which will have to change to match these. This may well shake out other articles at the same time. -- The Anome (talk) 19:16, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I would strongly suggest moving all the pages to capital letters. If you can't do it shall I ask Rich? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 20:53, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * But which capital letters? For example: GNS has "Qaryat Ahl Hidrān" for Qaryat ahl hidran, "Jiblat al Faraj" for Jiblat al faraj, and "Ash Sha`bah" for Ash sha`bah. What should I do with Bayt al `ali? Should it remain the same, or should I make it into "Bayt al `Ali"? What about names with hyphens in? Do hyphens delineate "words" in the context of capitalization? I really need some guidelines regarding Arabic placename transliteration...


 * See User:The Anome/Yemen placename capitalization for more: note, for example the duplicates such as Abu_diyan and Abu_Diyan, Ad_dufah and Ad_Dufah, Ad_duru` and Ad_Duru` listed in User:The Anome/Yemen placename capitalization/duplicates... -- The Anome (talk) 13:00, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Rich recreated the same pages for some reason under capitals. I asked him to move the pages. The best thing would have been just to move the pages to capital letters rather than recreate them. He said he'll sort out the redirects but this seems a more difficult way of doing it... Dr. Blofeld       White cat 14:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you help me redirect the low casing to the capitals? All that needed doing was to move the articles manually from lower casing to capitals. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 14:58, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

You should be free to add the coordinates to Category:Cities, towns and villages in the Abyan Governorate now.. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 15:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The redirects are underway. Will take little while, depending on the interruption rate. Rich Farmbrough, 16:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC).
 * Note the items at User:Rich Farmbrough/temp25 are ones where the capitalized version already existed. These need checking out for disambig requirements adn suplicates such as I noted on ESB's page. . Rich Farmbrough, 16:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC).


 * When you've finished all the places in all the governorates, please let me know, and I will do a special-case bot run just for Yemen, with all of these articles added to the normal dump. -- The Anome (talk) 18:09, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe we've converted all to capitals now so you should be free to use the bot to generate coordinates. I'll create further articles at a later date. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 14:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The bot has now geocoded 370+ of the 700+ new entries. However, there are a lot of minor differences in orthography between the GNS and your new names (for example, "Al-X" vs. "Al X") which has prevented many of the other new articles from being matched. As a result, I will soon generalize the name-matching processing to allow special rules for particular sets of countries, starting off with the Arabic-speaking countries. This is likely to catch several hundred more of the Yemeni place articles, and may well also catch new articles about places in other Arabic-speaking countries. -- The Anome (talk) 12:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I've now done the above, and it seems to have worked OK. -- The Anome (talk) 17:06, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

New coord missing categories FYI
I'm adding new subcategories to Scotland and Wales in an effort to push articles down into their Unitary Authority. Do you need to know about such new categories? Done so far are:


 * Category:Aberdeenshire articles missing geocoordinate data‎ member of Category:Grampian articles missing geocoordinate data
 * Category:East Renfrewshire articles missing geocoordinate data‎ member of Category:Strathclyde articles missing geocoordinate data
 * Category:South Lanarkshire articles missing geocoordinate data‎ member of Category:Strathclyde articles missing geocoordinate data --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:29, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, please. I've now added the categories above to the bot code. -- The Anome (talk) 17:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

There are a few more to declare, then:


 * Grampian articles missing geocoordinate data (3) contains
 * Aberdeen articles missing geocoordinate data (0)
 * Aberdeenshire articles missing geocoordinate data (0)
 * Angus articles missing geocoordinate data (0)


 * Strathclyde articles missing geocoordinate data (9) contains
 * Argyll and Bute articles missing geocoordinate data (0)
 * East Ayrshire articles missing geocoordinate data (0)
 * East Dunbartonshire articles missing geocoordinate data (0)
 * East Renfrewshire articles missing geocoordinate data (0)
 * North Ayrshire articles missing geocoordinate data (0)
 * Renfrewshire articles missing geocoordinate data (0)
 * South Lanarkshire articles missing geocoordinate data (0)
 * West Dunbartonshire articles missing geocoordinate data (0)
 * West of Scotland articles missing geocoordinate data (0)


 * Tayside articles missing geocoordinate data (1) contains
 * Perth and Kinross articles missing geocoordinate data (0)


 * Clwyd articles missing geocoordinate data (1) contains
 * Flintshire articles missing geocoordinate data (0)


 * Dyfed articles missing geocoordinate data (3) contains
 * Carmarthenshire articles missing geocoordinate data (0)
 * Ceredigion articles missing geocoordinate data (0)
 * Pembrokeshire articles missing geocoordinate data (0)


 * Glamorgan articles missing geocoordinate data (4) contains
 * Cardiff articles missing geocoordinate data (0)
 * Neath Port Talbot articles missing geocoordinate data (0)
 * Rhondda Cynon Taf articles missing geocoordinate data (0)
 * Swansea articles missing geocoordinate data (0)


 * Gwent articles missing geocoordinate data (2) contains
 * Monmouthshire articles missing geocoordinate data (0)
 * Torfaen articles missing geocoordinate data (0)


 * Gwynedd articles missing geocoordinate data (1) contains
 * Anglesey articles missing geocoordinate data (0)
 * Powys articles missing geocoordinate data (0)

All of the subcats are current local government areas, nested inside their regions. I've been using catscan to find & allot coord missing articles in, say, the Category:Cardiff category tree to Cardiff articles missing geocoordinate data. Can I help you at all with article category -> coord missing category mappings such that your bot becomes better at filing these articles. btw, I may yet add more coords missing categories into the above tree - thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Note to self
Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:Tolkien_stubs after this bot run. -- The Anome (talk) 14:58, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅, run was OK. -- The Anome (talk) 22:50, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

region codes
Looking at this edit it appears that The Anomebot2 used to think that Kazakhstan was KG. Actually it's KZ.

Looking at this edit it appears that The Anomebot2 used to think that Slovenia was SL. Actually it's SI.

Were these a systematic errors? If so, could you program one of your bots go back and correct all such edits? --Stepheng3 (talk) 22:24, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes. I think this was a case of mistakenly using the somewhat similar-looking FIPS 10-4 country codes instead of the correct ISO 3166 2-letter country codes. This was corrected some time ago: I'll go back and correct the cases you mentioned above, and I'll take a look later at checking other older records for bogus country codes. -- The Anome (talk) 22:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The FIPS and ISO codes match for both these nations, so the root cause of the problem must lie elsewhere. My request here is more about correcting systematic errors than understanding the root cause (or correcting a couple particular coordinates). --Stepheng3 (talk) 20:57, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Here's another interesting bot error: edit from 2007. Perhaps the bot assumed the islands were in France because it obtained their coordinates from frwiki. --Stepheng3 (talk) 23:43, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Similarly: another edit from 2007. --Stepheng3 (talk) 23:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

A more recent one, this time using region JP with jpwiki data: an edit from 2009. --Stepheng3 (talk) 00:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

And another: --Stepheng3 (talk) 19:51, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Based on your lack of response, I'm getting the impression that errors caused by your bots are not very important to you. --Stepheng3 (talk) 16:30, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * No, they're all important, and I appreciate your help. There seem to be enough of these that, rather than fix them one by one, I plan to fix them all at once in a global pass through the entire database, followed by a series of bot runs to make the changes. However, it will take some time before I will have enough time spare to be able to write and debug the code and perform sanity-checks and QA runs on the output, and I also plan to perform other sanity checks at the same time which should find and/or solve other data problems. -- The Anome (talk) 21:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. I'm much reassured and apologize for my impatience.--Stepheng3 (talk) 02:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Getting impatient again. Is this still on your to-do list? --Stepheng3 (talk) 03:10, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It is. I've had a first hack at the problem today. There are several distinct classes of error, each of which needs treating differently. I'm not happy with my current approach, which has so far removed more correct results than wrong ones for the limited test batch I ran today. I'll try another, more complex, approach tomorrow. -- The Anome (talk) 01:37, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the update.--Stepheng3 (talk) 04:42, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Sub-region codes
Just a thought, but are you aware of the ISO 3166-2 subregional codes, such as GB-BIR for Birmingham, GB-WAR for Warwickshire and GB-STS for Staffordshire? They would seem to map 1:1 with some of the coord missing categories. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Coord missing bot fodder

 * Jedburgh Castle had no coords. Its categories are Category:Castles in the Scottish Borders, Category:Category A listed buildings, Category:Listed buildings in the Borders.
 * Mynydd Epynt in Category:Geography of Powys
 * Atomic Energy Research Establishment in Category:History of Berkshire, Category:Organisations based in Oxfordshire, Category:Nuclear chemistry, Category:Nuclear research centers, Category:Research institutes in the United Kingdom
 * NOGAT Pipeline System in Category:Natural gas pipelines in Europe, Category:Energy in the Netherlands, Category:Pipeline stubs
 * Electoral district of Bega in Category:Electoral districts of New South Wales
 * To do: Category:Australian electorates, and more in Category:Constituencies in general, which perhaps needs reorganization to be more bot-friendly
 * Illinois's 15th congressional district in Category:Congressional districts of Illinois
 * To do: All congressional districts. Note: Another case of a constituency-type-thing. ✅
 * Not sure why congressional districts are being tagged. Seems similar to telephone area codes. These are better represented by a map rather than a single geographic coordinate. Congressional districts also morph over time and either cease to exist or represent totally different geographical locations.  They are not easily described by a point, however roughly grained that point might be.  What was your rationale in tagging these? --GrandpaDave (talk) 22:40, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A map in wikipedia is excellent for setting out the boundaries of the district, and, ideally, for providing context for the district - where does it sit within the state, etc. The purpose of the single point coordinate (hopefully combined with a  statement is to enable the user to transition to a commonplace map and see the territory covered by the district. The single point coordinate does not purport to provide boundary information. It merely allows that transition from simple map with boundary in wikipedia, to complex map without boundary on a third party mapping service.
 * Morphing or ceasing to exist are not that much of a problem, and affect most area geographic entities. By way of example, few if any articles which are occasioned by boundary changes have maps for each successive boundary arrangement - but I've yet to see a complaint that a map of the present boundary is not useful since it does not represent yesterday's boundary. We will tend to take the most recent boundary - today's boundary for an extant district; the last boundary for a lapsed district.
 * I think all of us grant that it would be better by far for our geo-coordinates to represent a boundary rather than a point and a radius, which is what we get from . However, and sadly, we are a long way away from the best, and so suffice with the good.
 * The alternative - no link to the third party map - at best leaves the user who wishes to compare the internal boundary map with a third party map source, to click on, for instance, a city or town within the boundary, and then transit to the external map ... a long way around. Further, lack of a coordinate means that external maps which have a wikipedia layer do not display within the bounds of the district an icon describing the district. In all, both of these seem to be losses which carry a higher cost than is entailed by any concern that a point coordinate does not fully represent an area. --Tagishsimon (talk) 09:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Hanko–Hyvinkää railway in Category:Railway lines in Finland, Category:Railway lines opened in 1873
 * Kawashima, Tokushima in Category:Tokushima geography stubs Category:Towns in Tokushima Prefecture, Category:Dissolved municipalities of Tokushima Prefecture
 * Lijiang River in Category:Rivers of Guangxi
 * Zagarino in Category:Rural localities in Zabaykalsky Krai
 * Viceroyalty of Peru in Category:Former countries in South America, Category:Former Spanish colonies, Category:Viceroyalties
 * Interesting. Does nor make sense to categorize into any current country: perhaps create a new top-level "former states" category for putting these in.
 * Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata in Category:Former vassal states, Category:States and territories established in 1776
 * Arabian Hall of the Winter Palace in Category:Hermitage Museum
 * Problem here is a non-systematically-named parent category. This is a widespread problem that defeats the current algorithm. To do: work out a systematic solution for this.
 * Yugan County in Category:Administrative subdivisions of Jiangxi
 * Another example of a non-systematically-named parent category. To do: Do a special-case trawl for "Administrative subdivisions of X" categories. ✅
 * Alabama State Route 83 in Category:State highways in Alabama
 * Highway 14 (Ontario) in Category:Defunct Ontario provincial highways
 * Saskatchewan Highway 621 in Category:Saskatchewan provincial highways, Category:Saskatchewan road stubs
 * Tosa Domain in Category:Domains of Japan
 * Northside Independent School District in Category:School districts in Texas
 * Interesting. Bot should already catch these. Need to take a check the keyword list to make sure it's correct.
 * Fort Worth and Western Railroad in Category:Texas railroads, Category:Switching and terminal railroads
 * Khet Bang Khun Thian in Category:Districts of Bangkok
 * Not an error: appears not to have been tagged because it's already been geocoded
 * Downs Link in Category:Footpaths, Category:Cycleways in England, Category:Rail trails in England, Category:Long-distance footpaths in England
 * Thanks! I've added "footpaths", "cycleways" and "rail_trails" to my keyword lists. All of these should get coded at a later date.
 * Note to self: To do: deal with "X by continent" cases better than current treatment.
 * Shoreham (UK Parliament constituency) in and various related categories in that tree such as Category:Rotten boroughs (mentioned below, I hadn't realised there was an "official" thread)
 * could do with knocking down into counties/NI - there seems to be a fair few articles from the North lurking there. Presumably you could adapt your UK county-finding code? We already have  and the Six Counties in the form  etc - XXX in Belfast seems to be a distinct special case that you'd have to handle.  South of the border there aren't any county cats established yet, but just knocking the Dublin ones down to a subcat would help.
 * St George Wharf Tower in, ,
 * Hans Place in Category:Squares in Kensington & Chelsea - now coorded.
 * Alfred Dock in Category:Birkenhead docks
 * Shard London Bridge in
 * Cock Lane in Category:Streets in the City of London, Category:London road stubs
 * Hardwick House, Suffolk in Category:British architecture, Category:Archaeology of the United Kingdom, Category:Houses in Suffolk. (was in Category:Demolished buildings in England which doesn't exist, I've added it to Category:Demolished buildings and structures which it looks like you've got covered?)
 * Dartford Crossing in Category:Buildings and structures in Essex, Category:Buildings in Thurrock, Category:Tunnels underneath the River Thames Category:Toll tunnels in the United Kingdom and others. I'm quite surprised by this one.

2010

 * Perth Burghs (UK Parliament constituency) in Category:Historic parliamentary constituencies in Scotland (Westminster), Category:United Kingdom Parliamentary constituencies established in 1708, Category:United Kingdom Parliamentary constituencies disestablished in 1832
 * Westlink (road) in Category:Roads in Northern Ireland, Category:Roads in Belfast
 * Eassie Stone in Category:Archaeological sites in Angus

Kaédi coordinates
A slight discrepancy between the locations given in the Kaédi article recently prompted me to check and adjust the coordinates. The details are shown in the following table:


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!style="background:LightSteelBlue; color:DarkBlue" align="left" width="100"|Date/ref !style="background:LightSteelBlue; color:DarkBlue" align="left" width="150"|Source/edit !style="background:LightSteelBlue; color:DarkBlue" align="left" width="160"|     Location !style="background:LightSteelBlue; color:DarkBlue" align="left" width="160"|Google result&#x2020; I've no idea how The Anomebot2 derives the data for coordinates, but you may wish to review the matter, just in case I've made a mistake (in which case feel free to revert)&mdash;or the issue is still a current one that might affect other articles. Thanks. Error -128 (talk) 13:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 13 August 2005 || || 16.15°N, -13.5°W || 16.150000, -13.500000
 * 23 August 2006 || || 16.11667°N, -13.58333°W || 16.116667, -13.583333
 * 22 March 2008 || ||style="color:silver"|       as above ||style="color:silver"| as above
 * 18 August 2009 || || 16.15°N, -13.5°W || 16.150000, -13.500000‎
 * style="color:silver"| for comparison || Google Maps ||      place name search || 16.151740, -13.497010‎
 * colspan="4" align="center" style="background:LightSteelBlue"| &#x2020; For comparison, shown in decimal degrees, with each result linking to a hybrid view at the same zoom level.
 * }
 * 18 August 2009 || || 16.15°N, -13.5°W || 16.150000, -13.500000‎
 * style="color:silver"| for comparison || Google Maps ||      place name search || 16.151740, -13.497010‎
 * colspan="4" align="center" style="background:LightSteelBlue"| &#x2020; For comparison, shown in decimal degrees, with each result linking to a hybrid view at the same zoom level.
 * }
 * colspan="4" align="center" style="background:LightSteelBlue"| &#x2020; For comparison, shown in decimal degrees, with each result linking to a hybrid view at the same zoom level.
 * }

Brazil
Just a heads up, you may want to sort out this guys new articles, Brazilian places. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 18:44, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * These should all be caught in the next dump's set of updates. -- The Anome (talk) 10:16, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Lacking coordinates?
Category:Lok Sabha constituencies in Uttar Pradesh (and parent/ sister categories?). Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:21, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Doing them now. There seem to be quite a lot of similar constituency/electoral district cases that need to be dealt with in the same way: see Category:Constituencies. -- The Anome (talk) 10:14, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Note to self
Articles containing templates that link indirectly to organization categories are causing false negatives for the bot, which thinks they are organizations: see, for example, Pepper Creek (Delaware). Fix this. -- The Anome (talk) 14:31, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Snow closure of Articles for deletion/Blood diamond pants
Hi, The Anome. I've closed the above AfD for you following your snow deletion, but I'm concerned about whether it was entirely appropriate for you to delete the article early after you had already participated in the debate. I won't bring the matter to DRV personally, because I think the outcome was correct despite the procedural irregularity, but I respectfully request that you refrain from doing that in future. Cheers— S Marshall Talk /Cont  09:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * As you say, you believe the result was correct. Including myself, User:Ironholds, User:RHaworth and User:Francium12, that makes 5 commenters sharing the view that this article was an early closure candidate, with no opinions to the contrary.


 * This was a WP:SNOWBALL delete, based on my belief that no-one would seriously suggest that the article be kept for other than procedural reasons. WP:SNOWBALL is a particular example of a legitimate application of WP:IAR, which is explicitly intended to override bureaucratic procedure in cases where common-sense solutions suffice.  -- The Anome (talk) 09:36, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I understand what you say, and would just like to note that a snow closure of a debate in which you have participated is a potential bite issue when the article's author reads it later. I think it's important that closures should not only be the right outcome, but should be seen to be the right outcome even to a new user.  I feel there are good reasons why we show non-Wikipedians that we only delete their contributions based on an unambiguous CSD criterion, or a consensus-based discussion.  To the uninitiated, such a snow closure could smack of whim or admin fiat. Further, I do not think your snow closure would survive deletion review because of procedural irregularities, and I again respectfully ask you to allow discussion of such things in future.— S Marshall  Talk /Cont  09:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah. I now appreciate your concerns about being seen to be WP:BITEY. In this case, I will have to respectfully disagree with you, since I still believe I took the right decision: but I certainly respect your opinion, and I will think harder about the possible appearance of biteyness in the future. -- The Anome (talk) 09:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Mirrroring the meridian
Try saying that quickly! Great stuff with the bot, was wondering if you can do anything about a specific class of error I've noticed when looking at Google Maps (or better, Multimap). There's several articles from Portsmouth/Southampton floating about in the Straits of Dover, looking at them it's clear that people have assumed that eg +51 +1 means 51N1W, when of course it's 51N1E. It's obvious when land-based articles end up in the middle of the sea, but I guess there's plenty where eg Cornwall articles end up in the Ardennes or (much less obviously), Papworth ends up in Cambridge. Fancy the challenge? I've just cleared out and given Tagishsimon a very small hand in his clearing out of  (well it was clear a few minutes ago! See Category talk:United Kingdom articles missing geocoordinate data for a list you may find interesting). Some things I've noticed - you could coord missing tag - at least I've noticed several that you haven't touched. Also. On the flip side, you need to be a bit more cautious about tagging with WPLondon - it tends to act as the degree body for a lot of the colleges and other bodies in Kent, far more so than in London, so I've had to replace some of those. Cheers. 82.20.52.30 (talk) 22:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I've pointed to regioncheck, which does this based on region: at country level. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thinking about it, you wouldn't necessarily need to create a formal lookup of county stats, you could in effect do it on the fly. Just grab all the longitudes of articles in, work out the mean longitude of them all, and then present them sorted by distance from that central point for manual checking.  Or if you felt brave and less than say 5% of them were a different +/- to the others, you could get the bot to flip the sign and test to see if that made better sense. I think you'd probably just have to give up on counties like Cambridgeshire that are fairly symmetrical about the meridian; it would probably be worth hardcoding London though as it's asymmetric about the meridian and obviously has a lot of articles. I suppose you could also do it with latitude but that seems to be less of a problem. 82.20.52.30 (talk) 00:23, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I intend to do something like this as part of a comprehensive data reconciliation project tentatively scheduled for sometime early next year, which will attempt to cross reference across coordinates, article names, templates, categories, region codes, and national boundaries. However, I haven't got time to do that right now. -- The Anome (talk) 22:46, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Deleted edits in your user page
I found your old user page while checking some old deleted edits. I see that you deleted it in October 2005, maybe to get rid of this disgusting edit. Would you mind undeleting all the edits before that? I've flipped through the old history; there is a lot of vandalism but quite a few conversations like this one; it's best not to lose the page history of old conversations. I'd also like to move some old edits at the title "The Anome" to your user page, like this edit, to clean out the history of the article "The Anome". You can use the invert selection button to quickly undelete all the old edits; that certainly *wasn't* available in October 2005. Graham 87 03:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Any comments? I'm not trying to be nosy ... I just want page history to be accessible. I can't find anything objectionable in the deleted history of your userpage except perhaps the last edit, so I'd prefer to have it undeleted. I don't want to undelete it without your permission that isn't a courteous thing to do. Graham 87 06:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. -- The Anome (talk) 10:36, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I assume that you've left some edits deleted because you don't want people to know your IP address. That's your own personal decision and I'll respect that. Do you want anything done to the history of your userpage at the title "The Anome"? I would usually history merge the old edits to your userpage, as I've done with hundreds of other userpages created before there were namespaces on Wikipedia. But since you don't seem to want to reveal your IP address, I'm wary of that option; it would require undeleting this edit. One way around this would be to undelete the aforementioned edit, do the history merging, then get an oversighter to hide the IP addresses on the edits to your userpage. If you don't want these edits to be available, and/or you decide to delete the old edits at "The Anome", I'll respect that decision as well ... I just enjoy trying to preserve page history from the UseModWiki era of Wikipedia, as you can see at my page history observations page. I also note the irony that the history of your talk page before June 2003 appears to be permanently gone. But article histories are still much more important than userpage histories, IMO. Graham 87 14:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I've gone ahead and moved the old edits at The Anome to your user page. I've also moved all the edits containing your IP address, but they are now in the deleted history of your user page. I don't think that main namespace articles should contain user page histories. Graham 87 01:51, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Placebo button
I have nominated Placebo button, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Placebo button. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Habanero-tan (talk) 01:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Electoral districts in Australia
Please do not tag these - they are not geographical areas, they are political areas and many of them don't even exist any more (as in, they are historical) and in many cases cover wide areas (eg Division of Kalgoorlie or Electoral region of Mining and Pastoral which covers the equivalent of 1/4 of the mainland United States). Unlike the dioceses problem above they also do not have a logical pinpoint as they are simply a created "area". In addition, they change frequently - some have moved (or did move) several times, a classic example is Electoral district of Canning which changed boundaries at every single redistribution between 1890 and 1989. I've had to spend more than 1 hour today reverting your 1-2 September tags. In future I would suggest consulting with relevant projects eg WP:AUSPOL and other such projects around the world before making such edits. Orderinchaos 03:44, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * It is useful to place coord on areas. Here, for instance, is the coord on Berwick-upon-Tweed (UK Parliament constituency) - 55.55°N, -1.91667°W. If you click on it, you'll see the area which is the Berwick-upon-Tweed UK Parliament constituency. Historical areas existed. The fact they are historic does not take away the fact that they are locatable on a map. Your unilateral action to revert the tags is nothing more than vandalism: you should have had the sense and good manners to discuss first. --Tagishsimon (talk) 09:20, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * But let's say with Canning - which tag do we put on, the 1890, 1893, 1896, 1899, 1904, 1911, 1929, 1948, 1955, 1961, 1966, 1972, 1976 or 1982 incarnation of the seat? The first ones were a country seat, the middle ones took in the entire southern suburbs of Perth, by the 1960s was heading south east and then localised finally in the east before being abolished. With Mindarie, do we use 2005 or 2008? (They are completely different areas - the old one was basically the new Ocean Reef.) Same problem for Division of Swan which started out as a country seat down south somewhere and now couldn't be more inner metro. These are not isolated cases - the rapid growth of Perth since the 1950s and rewriting of the electoral laws on several occasions has made a mockery of any sense of stability in the divisions. This is not a problem limited to WA either - the Division of Parramatta is a bit of a joke (it doesn't even include Parramatta anymore) and the loss by former PM John Howard of his long-held seat of Bennelong was in part due to the seat repeatedly shifting west into less well-off areas.
 * Calling me a vandal is the extreme of bad faith - I have the best interests of the project firmly at heart in calling these tags a ridiculous waste of *real* volunteers' time. Nobody ever discussed putting in these tags with anyone, and there's never been a consensus established for the existence of coord missing at all - so I am not overriding some groundswell of community opinion by acting as I am. As core Wikipedia policy has always held, it is up to those adding content (or template graffiti, for that matter) to justify its addition, not the other way around. Orderinchaos 18:25, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I have to agree with Orderinchaos here, and applaud him for his work with the thankless task of removing these pointless additions. These tags add nothing to the articles and are impractical and impossible to correctly apply. Where do you suggest the coordinates for Division of Kalgoorlie should go, considering the area it covers is positively monstrous? If you really feel these tags have a place in these articles, bring it up at WP:AUSPOL and see what happens. And Orderinchaos is quite right - it's the responsibility of the person making the changes to discuss them, not the other way around. Frickeg (talk) 02:38, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems you feel our work is not a benefit to the public. I would have hoped that the advantages of article geotagging were obvious. Unless you feel that the locations of geographic and administrative features should remain a secret, I can't really see any plausible objection to article geotagging.


 * The existence of coord missing is justified by results. Around 200 articles are geocoded each day as a direct result of coord missing tagging; you can see this quite clearly in the contribution histories of editors who make passes through the missing coordinate categories systematically geocoding successive articles. Over time, this has resulted in the tagging of tens of thousands of articles. The greater prevalence of geotags in existing articles has also had an indirect effect of encouraging new article creators to add coordinates.


 * To answer your specific objection in this case, large or imprecise areas can now be geocoded by locating their approximate centre and providing their feature size. -- The Anome (talk) 10:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * In relation to the last point, how does this address my objection with regard to areas which are not so much imprecise as perpetually changing, and significant in each iteration (i.e. to have only the present or, in the case of abolished, last version would be misleading to readers)? As for coord missing, I'm not a fan of it as it encourages sloppy or inaccurate geotagging just to get rid of the tag, rather than properly sourcing coordinates. Such is worse than none at all and it erodes the credibility of Wikipedia in the wider world, especially when the results of such appear on Google. Any work I have done in geotagging (and I have tagged literally thousands of Australian articles) has been entirely without the help of this attribute. Orderinchaos 14:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh and where would the "approximate centre" of Division of Kalgoorlie be? (Somewhere around Lake Carnegie, by the looks of it). And how would marking it be in any way a service to readers? Orderinchaos 14:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oddly, we have a coordinate on Lake Carnegie (Western Australia), despite its boundaries varying on an annual basis from small mud-path to large waterbody. The point of that coordinate is to point to the general vicinity of the lake, so that users can find it with one click. So too is the point of the coordinate on Division of Kalgoorlie. It's a point approximately in the centre of the constituency, with bounds that show the extent of the constituency. Now users can click on it and see roughly where this god forsaken place it, much in the way they can with Berwick upon Tweed and hundreds of other constituencies. No a priori knowledge needed. And here are the 211 UK constituencies so far coorded. Do you suggest we withdraw coordinates from these?
 * a ridiculous waste of *real* volunteers' time. What are you trying to say here? Do you choose to be offensive for the sake of it?
 * Are you really arguing that there is no utility in Category:Australia articles missing geocoordinate data, which despite your best efforts shows that more than 5000 Australia related articles have no geo-codes; when there is clear evidence of the use of coord missing, presumably by somewhat *unreal* volunteers, to add coordinates to articles? --Tagishsimon (talk) 09:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Lake Carnegie is a red herring, as quite clearly it is a geographical feature with a definite location, even though its boundaries move around from time to time, it doesn't actually move. The UK also arguably is as I don't know any Western democracy with single seats with the level of population transformation that occurs in Australia. That population transformation in a system which attempts to ensure a fair distribution and size of seat (either on a state or regional basis) necessitates massive changes in boundaries at regular intervals. By comparison, the UK is pretty stable - many of the electorates descend from the 1800s and beyond.
 * To the second point - I personally believe coord_missing is an entire waste of everyone's time. It encourages sloppy geo-coding by people who have the time but not the expertise and it is rarely fixed. I did every town and suburb in Western Australia back in October 2008 (most of which already had coordinate tags of some form but many of which were inaccurate) and it took me 3 full days, as in morning-to-night. I don't even have close to that amount of time any more, nor does anyone else I know who edits content. That's what I mean by "ridiculous waste of real volunteers time". Creating work for others by drive-by tagging is in my view a net deficit to the project for that and other reasons. Secondly, "5000 Australia related articles" almost to a fault added by a single bot at different points. I only removed the craziest instances, and it seems from discussions elsewhere I was broadly speaking in tune with general feeling in taking the actions I did. There is still plenty I disagree with but have no wish to spend time and effort removing because I'm competing with a bot whose capacity for crapping on articles is limitless, especially as BAG is so fundamentally ineffective at controlling them. Orderinchaos 09:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * You might also want to bear in mind that Wikipedia is editable, and the coordinates of locations that are continually changing can -- and should -- be continually updated. -- The Anome (talk) 22:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * By what workforce?? And additionally, assuming we do change it, how does this inform our readers better when we are talking in the article about a seat in a previous boundary and they are misled into believing it is located where it now is? Division of Calare, a notable seat with a prominent independent for 1996-2007 terms, would make *no* sense on its present boundaries (which is a safe seat for our rural conservative party and not clearly a safe haven for an independent of any kind). The purpose of addition of tags should always be to inform and to be useful - I see no information and I see no use in this case. Also, adding them in many cases is in almost certain violation of WP:OR, as one of my compatriots pointed out in another place. Orderinchaos 09:11, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Towns (Malta)
Pages using Towns (Malta) have separate latitude and longitude fields. I tried making these emit Coord, but some values are entered with degree symbols, etc. Can you clean these up, please? If not, I'll ask elsewhere, but it seemed to be right up your street! I've added a separate "coordinates" parameter, which will take Coord, but note that some articles already have Coord in the footer. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done! -- The Anome (talk) 00:23, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Splendid. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 01:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I see dead people
FindAGrave has coordinates of graves, for example: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=9576 The accuracy might be questionable, though. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As I feared: not reliable nor accurate. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:57, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I wasn't keen on mass-marking grave locations in any case. Final resting places are not particularly relevant to a person's life, and they generally don't stay still when they're alive. However, this is only my personal opinion, and I realise people's opinions differ on this matter. -- The Anome (talk) 21:06, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As I've said elsewhere tonight: "it's my view that a notable person's final resting place is a salient point about them; indeed, there are whole books and websites dedicated to the subject; and people whose spare time is given over to finding, visiting and photographing them". I envisage someone visiting a cemetery using Google- or Open Street- Maps and seeing lots of little icons appear, for all the notable graves there; or someone pulling down a KML file from a list or a category, such as Kings & Queens of England, and seeing their resting places all mapped out. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * On reflection: there should at least be an inline reference to the gravesite, with coordinates, either in the infobox (if a parameter exists) or under "external links". Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:07, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Infobox Province Vietnam
Pages that use Infobox Province Vietnam seem to be lacking coordinates. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:44, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * If you can find a source of suitable free coordinate data, I'd gladly fill them in. I can't currently find any. Note to self:  -- The Anome (talk) 22:47, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅ 50 of these from U.S. federal govt. GNS data. -- The Anome (talk) 17:40, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Smashing! Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 18:51, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And, by trivial extension of that discovery, ✅ 249 districts of Vietnam as well. -- The Anome (talk) 22:42, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice one! Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:07, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Canada & Coord missing
Would you fancy running your bot across Category:Canada articles missing geocoordinate data so as to push articles into provinces? As a suggestion, from a list of provinces and key cities, I've distilled a list of province and key city category roots.

The game to be played would be to recategorise articles based on their existing categories ... if they are a member of a city (e.g. Foo in Quebec City), then stuff 'em into the city; having removed the city articles, if they are a member of a province (Bar in Quebec), stuff 'em into the province. (granny, this is how you suck eggs). Thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:35, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Category:Ontario -> Category:Ontario articles with missing geocoordinate data etc.
 * Category:Toronto
 * Category:Quebec
 * Category:Quebec City
 * Category:Montreal
 * Category:Nova Scotia
 * Category:Halifax Regional Municipality
 * Category:New Brunswick
 * Category:Fredericton
 * Category:Saint John, New Brunswick
 * Category:Manitoba
 * Category:Winnipeg
 * Category:British Columbia
 * Category:Victoria, British Columbia
 * Category:Vancouver
 * Category:Prince Edward Island
 * Category:Charlottetown
 * Category:Saskatchewan
 * Category:Regina, Saskatchewan
 * Category:Saskatoon
 * Category:Alberta
 * Category:Edmonton
 * Category:Calgary
 * Category:Newfoundland and Labrador
 * Category:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador

What POV?
As you are yet another editor to claim List of panels making life or death decisions has a WP:NPOV problem, could you please explain what POV you believe is being pushed there? -- 209.6.238.201 (talk) 11:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * There is an article to be written about the death panels meme. This isn't it. -- The Anome (talk) 11:52, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * What do panels making life or death decisions in California, Texas, China and elsewhere have to do with some false rhetoric from Ms. Palin? I am certain she believes the world revolves around her, but I'm saddened that this is an condition that has begun to infect the wikipedia community. You're not addressing the actual content of the actual article up for deletion. What is the basis for your POV claim? -- 209.6.238.201 (talk) 12:05, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you're mistaking my talk page for the Room for an Argument. -- The Anome (talk) 12:08, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's fine. I'll just note on the AfD that you were unwilling or unable to back up your accusations in further discussion. Cheers! -- 209.6.238.201 (talk) 12:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Good grief. Are you going to do this with every other commenter? -- The Anome (talk) 12:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Is there a way?
Is there a way to prevent AnomeBot from re-tagging articles for which coordinates are not relevant?

Example: Honolulu University -- it is (or was) an unaccredited distance learning institution (can't say "diploma mill" without proof) that never had a campus and whose whereabouts are not known. Although being called "university" makes it look like it ought to have a geographic location, coordinates would not be meaningful.

Is there a "coordinates not needed" template to use in cases like this? --Orlady (talk) 16:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The bot will, iirc, only tag an article once (or in fact twice - once with a country argument, a second time with a state or county). If you remove the coord missing it will not be added again. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:03, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And, in addition, it will not re-tag an article to county/region level if the country tag has already been removed. -- The Anome (talk) 21:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That's good to know (and it's a well-behaved bot). --Orlady (talk) 11:56, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

The Other Railway
Ummm, how do I find out the coordinates of a fictional island (Sodor) ? -- :o) -- EdJogg (talk) 22:44, 25 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for catching this! The usual heuristics for catching fictional things failed to catch this case: I've created a new category, Category:Fictional railways, to deal with this, and applied it to the various Sodor railway systems. -- The Anome (talk) 13:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Good work with your bot adding coords to a lot of the new Chukotan settlement articles I have started, a big help. Fenix down (talk) 22:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you! -- The Anome (talk) 23:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Which coordinates?
Your recent edit marked Hill Station as. I don't know much about how the coordinates are used, but I'm wondering just exactly what should be done to satisfy this request. The article lists a few of the many hill stations in India and Pakistan -- is there some way to indicate coordinates for a wide swath of land? Or should coordinates to each of the specific hill stations mentioned in the article? YBG (talk) 04:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The right thing to do is to tag the individual hill stations in their own articles. The bot shouldn't have tagged this article, since it's about a class of geolocatable things, instead of a single geolocatable thing. Unfortunately, the heuristics designed to stop this from happending didn't catch this case. I'll remove the tag to correct the error. -- The Anome (talk) 09:55, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

To do
Fix links to Unicycle robot, Robotic unicycle etc. to point to self-balancing unicycle where appropriate. -- The Anome (talk) 15:14, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Neighbourhoods of Jerusalem
You might want to run your bot over Category:Neighbourhoods of Jerusalem. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 10:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done; all but three of the relevant articles either already had coordinates, or were tagged as coord missing. I've now tagged the remaining three. Would you like the source code for a small Python program you can run yourself, if you want to scan for similar things in future? -- The Anome (talk) 12:22, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I should buy more lottery tickets - I tried a sample of three articles, and found them all untagged. I'd be happy to run an app, but wouldn't know where to begin, with Python source code. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 18:50, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Geographical co-ordinates in constituency articles
I am concerned that the application of geographical co-ordinates (or of coord missing tags) to articles on parliamentary constituencies may be misleading to readers. There seems to be a lot of this underway at the moment. I have opened a centralised discussion on this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates, and would welcome your input.

In the meantime, please could you and your bot consider holding off any further coord missing tags to parliamentary constituencies pending the outcome of that discussion?

Thanks! -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:03, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Certainly. I've just finished a bot run which (entirely coincidentally) included a large number of Indian constituencies: I'll filter constituencies from the bot's input files until the result of the discussion is finished. Could you also please notify WikiProject Geographical coordinates about this? -- The Anome (talk) 20:25, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for your prompt response. Will notify the project of your kindness in holding off further tagging pending discussion. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Defunct political subdivisions?
I'm not clear — is it normal to include coords for defunct political subdivisions? Washington County, D.C. is tagged as coords missing; of course it would be easy to add them, but I don't know whether it should be done or not. Nyttend (talk) 16:54, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/John Todd (occultist) (2nd nomination)
Hi, The Anome. Since you participated in Articles for deletion/John Todd (occultist), you may be interested in Articles for deletion/John Todd (occultist) (2nd nomination). Cunard (talk) 16:41, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

"minger"
I noticed you just added "minger" to the username blacklist. This caught my eye because I got an administrator to add "minge" to the list earlier. Is "minge" not being caught for some reason, or did you just add "minger" for another reason (I notice "minge" has a WAIT_TILL_EDIT notice)? -- Soap Talk/Contributions 13:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


 * They are two different words. "Minge" is sexual in nature, "Minger" is UK slang for an egregiously ugly person. Having both in the list shouldn't be a problem; the overhead to the NameWatcherBot in matching both should be minute. -- The Anome (talk) 19:07, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Poopcake
Really? The edits were in good faith, I don't think a usernameblock was necessary here. –xenotalk 13:44, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

International Pageant of Pulchritude
International Pageant of Pulchritude was tagged with "coord missing". Though the majority of these events were held in Galveston some were held elsewhere. So I'm not sure what I am supposed to put down as far as coordinates.

--Mcorazao (talk) 15:06, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * It's fine just to remove the coord missing tag in this and similar cases. -- The Anome (talk) 20:33, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Anomebot: To do
Cases like Aruba, Bermuda, etc. which don't map directly to ISO 3166 codes, but do have their own FIPS codes. -- The Anome (talk) 17:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅. Next, deal with cases like Hong Kong and Macau, which FIPS treats as distince from their parent countries for coding purposes. -- The Anome (talk) 16:48, 19 October 2009 (UTC)




 * Next, reconsider those articles which belong to eponymous categories, such as London and Rio de Janiero, and only consider an empty category tag as a tagging-blocker for categories not named after the article itself.


 * Also, golf courses/clubs in general, which are caught by the "clubs" heuristic at the moment. -- The Anome (talk) 02:16, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Super-root
As you have contributed to the article multiple times and seem to have enough knowledge on the subject to make a fair judgement on whether it's notable or not, you may have an opinion of its suggested merge with tetration. If you do please discuss it here, as the consensus currently seems to be in deadlock, and this is causing a large edit war across both articles. Robo37 (talk) 18:31, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Subcategorization of Ireland coord missing articles by county
This looks great. What would it take to perform a similar operation (refile by county) on the 3x larger Category:California articles missing geocoordinate data? --Stepheng3 (talk) 19:20, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look. If there's a reasonable county-level subcategorization structure already in widespread use, it should be possible. -- The Anome (talk) 12:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your willingness to look into this. --Stepheng3 (talk) 13:14, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks like good progress so far. --Stepheng3 (talk) 05:10, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm pleased with the results. This should keep me busy for a while.  Thanks again, --Stepheng3 (talk) 16:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

type correction
In a bot edit from earlier this month,  was included in the Coordinates. This should, of course, have been. --Stepheng3 (talk) 22:30, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the 50 s.  Perhaps your bot could take care of the 3,204  s. --Stepheng3 (talk) 22:50, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'll grep them out of my logs, and do a tag-replacement run. -- The Anome (talk) 12:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be great! --Stepheng3 (talk) 13:14, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅. I may have missed a few, but nearly all of them should now have been updated to use type:adm2nd. -- The Anome (talk) 14:48, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Cheers, -Stepheng3 (talk) 16:58, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Invitation for the typeface collaboration
I hope you can contribute in this section. Happy editings! - ☩ Damërung <font color="#007BA7" size="5">☩ <font color="#808080">. -- 02:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Missing coordinates list
Is there a way to pull a list of all articles with missing coordinates for the WikiProject Airports project? I'd like to help resolve missing coordinates in the project, but don't know how to get a list. -Canglesea (talk) 21:25, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CatScan is the usual tool for dealing with these sorts of questions, but it seems not to be capable of dealing with this particular case at the moment. I'll see if I can dig out the information using my other tools. -- The Anome (talk) 22:06, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I've prepared a preliminary report at User:The Anome/Airports missing coordinates. This is based slightly out-of-date data, and will have both false positives and false negatives, but contains several hundred airports, and should be something to be going on with. -- The Anome (talk) 22:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Got it, Thanks -Canglesea (talk) 05:30, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Question?
I note that your bot has just added coord missing to Spectacle Island Range Lights. The lights were discontinued almost a hundred years ago; like some other long discontinued lights in Massachusetts and elsewhere, we know only their general location. This is particularly true at Spectacle Island which has itself undergone great change over the years, almost doubling in area since the lights were discontinued.

Perhaps coord should have a special value -- °N, °W or some such -- for "location unknown after reasonable research". I assume that if I remove the coord missing template, a bot will just add it again.. . . . Jim. . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 21:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)


 * No, it will only add it once, for just this reason. Just delete the coord missing tag, and it won't put it back again. -- The Anome (talk) 23:58, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Specifying that a page doesn't need coordinates
Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa shouldn't have coordinates (except maybe "all of New Zealand"), but is in a category Libraries in New Zealand, most members of which have (or should have) coordinates. Is there a way of tagging a page as not needing coordinates? Stuartyeates (talk) 22:04, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia Geographical Coordinates project
Hi.

I got your contact details from the Wikipedia Geographical Coordinates project page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates) and hope you don't mind that I am contacting you out of the blue. I am an Internet Geographer based at the University of Oxford, and would like to start a mapping project that examines the geography of Wikipedia articles. To do this, I would like to start by looking at how many articles are tagged to each country of the world.

I see that projects like Geonames (http://www.geonames.org/maps/wikipedia.html) allow you to browse this information, but I am wondering if there is any way to obtain a list or database of geotagged articles so that I can map the data? As long as I have lat longs I can easily match these data to countries, but I can't find such a list anywhere.

If you have any hints or ideas, I would be very grateful if you could let me know. Also if you know of anyone that may be likely to have this information please pass along their contact details. My contact details are mark.graham@oii.ax.ac.uk

Thanks in advance for your help.

Mark Graham www.oii.ox.ac.uk/people/faculty.cfm?id=165 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucidwave (talk • contribs) 10:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The easiest way to do this is to parse the SQL tables generated as part of Wikipedia's periodic database dumps, and extract the automatically generated links to the toolserver that are created by the coord template; see Database download for their location. You'll need the "page" and "externallinks" tables to generate the list. You can either load them up into an MySQL database and perform a JOIN/SELECT operation to generate the list of links, or I can give you a short Python program that will extract the links directly from the database dump files.


 * You can then parse those links to extract the coordinates (and a certain amount of not-particularly-reliable metadata also contained within the links.) I generally discard the coordinates from all pages that contain more than one location (with a small tolerance to allow for the same coordinate added more than once, for example with rounding errors), and from all those pages that are not in the main article namespace or have names that begin with "List of".


 * If you want the coordinates from more than one language edition of Wikipedia, you will have to do this for each of their respective dumps.


 * If you want more discrimination than this, I suggest using a tool such as templatetiger (see http://toolserver.org/~kolossos/templatetiger/). Note that templatetiger is not run on the English-language Wikipedia. If you like, I can give you some code to parse the entire text of Wikipedia from its XML dump file and extract all the templates from it together with their parameters, but you will then need to devote considerable energy to dealing with all the different template syntaxes found by that script. -- The Anome (talk) 13:28, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much for your help!! All I would essentially need is a list of coordinates: I wouldn't need any extra info or metadata, as I basically just want to see where content is being created about. The only extra information i would need would be language: as it would be nice to see the different geographies of content in different languages.


 * So would this sort of information then be possible to extract from the database dump using your program? Thanks again, and I'm happy to list you in the acknowledgements of any map I create if you would like?


 * Thanks 163.1.201.114 (talk) 14:07, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Just as an addendum to the above, you might also want to take a look at de:Wikipedia:WikiProjekt Georeferenzierung/Wikipedia-World/en, but please note that that data is usually somewhat out of date; the code I'll send you should let you generate your own fresh data each time as soon as each dump is generated.


 * I'll tidy the code up a bit before I post it here, either sometime later today or tomorrow. In the meantime, you might want to download the page.sql.gz and externallinks.sql.gz files that are linked from the http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20091103 page -- The Anome (talk) 16:13, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Code to parse the (un-gzipped) SQL dump files can be found at User:The Anome/external links dump parser. This will give you the raw geohack URLs for each page. I'll post some code to parse the coordinates out of the URLs later. -- The Anome (talk) 00:25, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Animal love
That was pretty clever, to recreate Animal love as a disambiguation page as a follow-on to its having been through three unrelated instances of deletion. That'll take care of it once and for all! —Largo Plazo (talk) 14:06, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you! That was exactly my intention. -- The Anome (talk) 14:32, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Blocking certain addresses.
Can you do certain rangeblocks? This is because for the past few days, a vandal used the following IP addresses on the 202.70.50.* range (particularly 202.70.50.0/24) by putting misinformation on various articles. The last two were used in just the past six hours.



Thanks. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 09:46, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Vandalism confirmed; I've temporarily softblocked the /24. -- The Anome (talk) 09:51, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Update: Some time after the block on the 202.70.50.0/24 range expired, the guy went on the rampage again, this time using the following:


 * - last edit was an hour before this message.
 * - last edit was an hour before this message.

Can you put the range in a longer block? Thank you. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 09:11, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Never mind; 202.70.50.0/24 has been blocked once again. Sorry if I disturb you like this. BTW, I've also filed a report on WP:AN/I on what to the vandal has done, as well as some links to archives on previous reports on him, either by me or by NeoChaosX to show how far back his vandalism had troubled people. You can give your input there. 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 11:58, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Unblock request of IAm172.16.100.1
Hello The Anome. , whom you have blocked, is requesting to be unblocked. The request for unblock is on hold while waiting for a comment from you. It seems to me that their username is OK per policy (although not recommended, using an IP is not prohibited), but I'm not sure how the RFC 1918 stuff affects things (if at all). Regards, EyeSerene talk 22:56, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * RFC 1918 addresses are private-use-only addresses that are not assigned to any provider, or, as a matter of general policy, routed on the public Internet. Therefore, this clearly is not the user's real public IP address, and is thus misleading. -- The Anome (talk) 02:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks for the explanation :) EyeSerene talk 09:05, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Co-ordinates for streets
How is anyone supposed to assign co-ordinates for streets that extend through counties & do not run along lines of latitude or longitude? Are any co-ordinates along the way acceptable? Shall I pick the spot in front of where I live? --JimWae (talk) 04:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'd say any point on the road that unambiguously selects that particular road would suffice. Perhaps an approximate midpoint would be best. You can see the examples in my second comment below for some examples of the choices made by other editors. -- The Anome (talk) 09:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that this is annoying to a degree. Your bot has added coord missing nonsense to many streets in Boston. Is it the case that it/you don't trust regular editors who maintain these articles to make editorial decisions regarding the need for coordinates? Let's add coordinates to Interstate 95 while we're at it. I am removing them where they are irrelevant, it is causing wasted time. Sswonk (talk) 05:30, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with you that there is currently no ideal way to geocode long roads such as interstates, which is why I have filtered such roads out from the current bot run.


 * However, geocoding relatively short streets seems perfectly reasonable to me. A considerable number of streets have already been geocoded by hand by editors who clearly disagree with you on this point. A few minutes' searching finds, for example, Moreton Road, Grantchester Road, St Tibbs Row, Rue de Tilsitt, Downing Place, Regent Street, Cambridge, Hills Road, Cambridge, Huntingdon Road, Worcester Street, Station Road, Cambridge, Gypsy Lane, Green Street, Cambridge, Histon Road, Fitzmaurice Place, Harberton Mead, Blackwall Lane, Milton Road, Cambridge, Magdalene Street, St Mary's Street, Cambridge, Victoria Road, Oxford, Cock Lane, Pembroke Street, Cambridge, Parkside, Cambridge, Park Terrace, Leandro Alem Avenue, Barton Road, Cambridge, Frenchay Road, Bainton Road, Broad Street, Reading, A38 road, Lensfield Road, Rue de Provence, Park Avenue (Montreal), Morrissey Boulevard, Chesterton Lane, Cambridge, 54th Street (Manhattan), Downing Street, Cambridge, Lewis Close, New College Lane, Kiln Lane, Foxdown, Ironmonger Lane, King's Bench Walk, Guildhall Street, Cambridge, Sawclose, Michigan Avenue (Michigan), St Mary's Passage, Cambridge, Bene't Street, Corn Exchange Street, Great Windmill Street, King's Hedges Road, Pepys Street, Hobson Street, Milton's Walk, 53rd Street (Manhattan), Trumpington Road, Sussex Street, Cambridge, Wheeler Street, Cambridge, Maid's Causeway, Cherwell Drive, Gonville Place, Vesey Street (Manhattan), Victoria Road, Cambridge, Drummer Street, Cambridge, Rawlinson Road, Fitzwilliam Street, Cambridge, Farndon Road, Rue de la Bûcherie, Holland Park Avenue, Market Street, Cambridge, Rue de la Victoire, Savage Gardens, St John's Street, Cambridge, Senate House Passage, Manor Road, Botolph Lane, Regent Terrace, Cambridge, Karl Johans gate, Cecil Court, Penny Lane (street), Broad Street, Oxford, Blandford Avenue, Storey's Way, Staverton Road, Gloucester Street, Belgrave Road, Westminster, London, St Agnes Place, Northampton Street, Cambridge, Charles Street, London, Chesterton Road, Cambridge, A2198 road, Kybald Street, Crosswall, Mount Pleasant, Cambridge, Lathbury Road, St Bernards's Road, Mill Lane, Cambridge, Norham Road, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, Pleydell Street, Garford Road, Tennis Court Road, Rue de Caumartin, Emmanuel Street, Castle Street, Cambridge, Tennis Court Terrace, Little Dorrit's Court, Rue de Presbourg, Bridge Street, Cambridge, Conduit Boulevard, Rue Laffitte, Little St Mary's Lane, Rue Joubert, Sidney Street, Cambridge, Marin Boulevard, Danforth Avenue (Hudson County), Argyle Street, Glasgow, St Andrew's Street, Cambridge, Marsh Lane, Oxford, Thurloe Place, Queens' Lane, Cambridge, Vine Street (Westminster), Petty Cury, London Road, Oxford, Ponce de Leon Avenue, King's Road, Vermont Street (San Francisco), Beech Croft Road, Trinity Street, Cambridge, Plantation Road, St Andrew's Road, Cambridge, Jarvis Square, Millbrae Crescent, Trinity Lane, Fremont East, Guildhall Place, Newnham Road, Cambridge, Bouverie Street, Chadlington Road, Bruce Grove, Short Road, Cambridge, Quarry High Street, Emmanuel Road, Cambridge, America Square, Chalfont Road, Hudson Street (Manhattan), Park Street, Cambridge, Round Church Street, Blackhall Road, Colville Gardens, Victoria Avenue, Cambridge...


 * You might not think roads are worth geocoding. But I think you'll find that if you leave the coord missing tags in the articles in question, other editors will eventually geocode them. -- The Anome (talk) 09:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That is a red herring. It is not whether they are "worth" geocoding, but whether it is wise to pick an arbitrary single point along an area that may be hundreds of times longer than it is wide, that may turn in several directions and that may exist in multiple segments. The above list of streets that has geocodes doesn't say anything about the quality of those edits, or the wisdom of your bot declaring something missing that may not be prudent to add. Bots that paint with such a broad brush can definitely be considered annoying. If you can make the assumption that people are "clearly" disagreeing with that, it suggests you profess having the ability to read minds. Sswonk (talk) 00:31, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I would imagine that an editor geocoding an article might well be an indication that they think doing so would be a good idea. Of course, in a large community such as Wikipedia, you will find different points of view on almost any topic. I've merely list the articles above to show that a certain number of editors (I haven't bothered to count them) might consider the idea not to be as silly as you evidently do. -- The Anome (talk) 00:42, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, no hype about it being silly. Just not something I think a bot can suggest en masse for all streets it finds. And, who's to say some of those editors didn't take the template to mean there was something wrong with the article that must be addressed? That doesn't necessarily say they were happy with the suggestion, just that they complied to make the "missing" coord issue disappear. Inclusion of coordinates is not a pillar. There is little for me to gain by arguing this, but you might want to consider that bit about quality, it's also what's used to judge consensus, rather than vote counting. I am not going to debate this beyond what I've already written, but I would appreciate your stepping back to think about it for a minute. So long for now. Sswonk (talk) 01:38, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

coordinates imported from nlwiki
When geocoordinates are imported from another wiki, the bot is supposed to ignore any parameters which the target wiki doesn't use, right? So when imported hundreds of   parameters from nlwiki (for instance, here and here) I suppose there must've been a bug in the import procedure. I'm wondering if you could program one of your bots to fix up these -- either remove all the   parameters or else convert them to something that the enwiki Coord understands, like   or. --Stepheng3 (talk) 07:15, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

It's also supposed to convert the region codes to all caps, right? If so then this and this are also errors to be corrected. --Stepheng3 (talk) 07:45, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I can do both of those. I'll do them over the next few days. -- The Anome (talk) 11:08, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I've discovered similar issues with imports from frwiki such as this one. --Stepheng3 (talk) 19:29, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sure you're a very busy person. Is this still on your radar? --Stepheng3 (talk) 20:09, 22 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes; but I want to do it properly. At the moment, I'm still not convinced by the proposed mappings of zoom: to either scale: or dim:, particularly since the algorithm for the nl: GeoHack seems different from that of the en: Geohack, and it's possible fr: may be different again -- I want to do some more experiments on this before making mass changes. -- The Anome (talk) 14:48, 26 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks for the update.--Stepheng3 (talk) 18:14, 26 November 2009 (UTC)