User talk:The Beaufort News

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RE: Wiki Police? Just who are you?
Two reasons why the page was deleted: One, the page was created under your user page, which can be considered as advertisement to your news site and violates WP:USER. A user page is used only for recording Wikipedia activities, not creating an article of your own in it. And second, you did not provide any notability about your news site. It violates WP:WEB, which should provide guidelines on having a notable article for a web site. Not providing any information under this page can render deletion to your article. Wikipedia has several rules to allow the creation of articles and determine which are ones are legit to the Wiki or simply advertisement/vandalism.

Moreover, no I'm not an employee of Wikipedia, I'm an administrator that looks through articles and judges if an article is notable enough to be in Wikipedia. -- Esa nchez (Talk 2 me or Sign here) 04:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Please remain civil when it comes to editing a talk page of a user: "In any case, it's quite obvious that you need to be kept on a very short leash.", from your comment on my talk page. -- Esa nchez (Talk 2 me or Sign here) 04:22, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Perhaps esanchez will userify the article for you, but I'm with him- it sounds like it was a cleaer case of advertising. Your site does feature advertising; please read WP:SPAM, WP:COI, and WP:GNG. tedder (talk) 04:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * "Administrators should take care not to speedy delete articles except in the most obvious cases". This case was obvious: the syntax and diction in your article exemplified advertising. I understand your web site does not offer any form of selling but it your article shows a form of advertisement. For example: (from your article) "The range of news is neighborly and spans anything from the typical headline local sensations to little Joey's birthday party, or the birth of kittens to Aunt Mary's cat." Yes, the article does show an expression of local news but here in Wikipedia, articles should be held at a neutral point of view, as in the article should simply define what the site is about; not "flowering it" with terms that sounds like you are persuading the viewer to access your site, which it is labeled as advertising. It's easily assumed that the article is seen as advertisement.
 * I will give you your text and I want you to create under an article, not your user page. If another editor sees the same fallacies as I do, hen the article will remain deleted unless you provide sources to show the importance and significance of your news site, without sounding like an ad. If it remains up, then the article will remain up, open for any other editor to edit the article. -- Esa nchez (Talk 2 me or Sign here) 04:50, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

May 2009
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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. For more details about what, exactly, constitutes a conflict of interest, please see our conflict of interest guidelines. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  04:57, 24 May 2009 (UTC) You have been from editing in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for making legal threats or taking legal action. You are not allowed to edit Wikipedia as long as the threats stand or the legal action is unresolved. If you believe that a legal action is warranted, you may contact our information team at [mailto:info-en@wikimedia.org info-en@wikimedia.org] and they may forward it to our legal counsel or a more appropriate venue. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  04:57, 24 May 2009 (UTC) Your account has been blocked from editing Wikipedia, because it appears to be mainly intended or used for promotional purposes of a company or group. See FAQ/Organization and Conflict of interest''.

In addition, accounts are for individuals only, not for companies or groups or other collective editing, and your username should reflect this.

Wikipedia is not a promotion website; this kind of activity is considered spam on Wikipedia, and forbidden by policies, and usernames that appear to be promotional also violate our username policy. Editing on Wikipedia is not intended to be used to promote anyone, or anything, and its use for that purpose will result in blocking of the account involved.

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All right, first of all I'll address Esanchez, thank you for the response. I happened upon a listing of newspapers and news sources while looking for info to help with a personal project. It seemed appropriate to add ours to that list. I had difficulty figuring out how to do so (as I have never done it before)and the most obvious way to do so was with a user page. The intention was not to advertise, I don't feel that this would be an effective means of advertising to begin with. I doubt that people come to Wikipedia to locate their local newspaper. They might however come here to study a blueprint for news delivery in the 21st century, and we have developed a very innovative mechanism by which to do so (which we are launching in segments). The intent was to begin an encyclopedic description of that process and allow it to evolve over time as the process evolves. Describing the process also requires a description of the causal reasons for needing to do so. The initial content was intended as a placeholder while a more involved initial description was drafted. But, before we could even consider the structure of the permanent content, the page was removed. That's a fine way to greet a new user! Don't you think that common civility would dictate some sort of contact first? Perhaps something as mundane as: "Hey Bud, you can't do it that way. Try it this way!" The way it was done was akin to a slap in the face.

Then, my IP address was blocked by Orange Mike citing "Making Legal Threats" and then going on to discuss the appropriateness of the username. Once again, thanks for the warm welcome! Making someone aware of the fact that you are willing to exercise the rights guaranteed to you under the Constitution is not a threat, it is indeed a right. As for the username, I have already stated it's purpose, and no commercial intent was ever a factor. Mike, I think you were a little quick on the trigger as was Esanchez. I would appreciate the block being removed as much as I would appreciate being able to create an "acceptable" user page, and then an article. I can then post an article to highlight the information that was originally intended. With the IP block in place I can't even use my personal account. One final question for Mike....Democratic Convention? Were you there as an intelligence asset for the Republicans? Your actions here don't seem very "liberal". —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Beaufort News (talk • contribs)


 * Ignoring the personal attack - 1. Are you withdrawing the legal threats you made? 2. Are you willing to apply for a change of username, and to refrain from editing articles related to The Beaufort News? -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  17:23, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Mike, loosen up, that was not a personal attack, it was a vain attempt at levity. Regarding my announcement to possibly seek legal remedy, I have contacted info@wikipedia.org in full accordance with Wiki policies (which I spent the entire night and early morning committing as much of as possible to memory). So, in answer to your question, there are no pending "threats" nor will there be. As for the user name, I think it is best that you and I both allow the people from Wikipedia who responded to my communication to make the decision on whether or not to let it stand. I will abide by their decision and I think you should too. You and Esanchez seem to be on different pages regarding the editing of the "page" that was created and then deleted. If you look higher up on this thread, he specifically requested that I rewrite and resubmit it. So, which is it, what should I do? And am I not correct, or can anyone not edit any content on Wiki? Is there a policy that restricts one from editing a page that relates to them in some way? I've already reached point where I'm not sure I even want to contribute anything to Wikipedia. The welcome was less than inviting and if this is how things work here, it doesn't seem worth the effort. But, it is also a matter of principle at this point so I guess I'll wait it out and see what happens. The Beaufort News (talk) 22:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There certainly is, it's the conflict of interest language to which you've already been referred at the top of this very page. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  22:33, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I misunderstood the conflict of interest dialog, thank you for referring me back to it. I presume then that if an article is created and contains incorrect information that I must contact an administrator to review it and make changes if necessary? You have answered one question for me and I appreciate it the fact that you did. Would you mind responding the other issues in my last post in the same civil manner? I'm especially interested in knowing why you and Esanchez gave me differing views on the recreation of the page. Conflict of Administrators? The Beaufort News (talk) 11:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, Sanchez and I are two different human beings. I would have suggested that you create a draft article with the information you want in a personal sandbox, and then offer it up for comment, rather than creating it in article space. The other possibility would be to merely suggest such an article in our WP:Requested articles section, providing links to sources that clarify why the subject is notable (something lacking so far). But you will still need to formally retract all threats of legal action, and request a name change to a more suitable name. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  17:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)