User talk:The Blade of the Northern Lights/Archive 4

Letting you know about discussion of flag icon issue in List of living supercentenarians
My apologizes, I reverted your revert (it was my first revert ever, and I was using TW for basically for the first time). So my edit summary apparently got cut off here. I did type, "BNL, you are aware of the discussion at VP, but check out Bermi" but edit summary was cut off. The last part was going to be, "but check out Bermicourt's edit here". Bermicourt made a very valid point over there, "It sounds like you (David in DC) are saying let's abandon debate and all those on one side (i.e. who don't like flags) should now attack pages they don't approve. Is that really how Wikipedia is meant to work?"

That was why I replied at VP, "Yikes, Bermicourt has made a very valid point since policy has not been changed YET through a formal consensus process, not through discussions....{snip}.... I do support the removal of flag icons from most lists on Wikipedia. I only ask that the guideline be changed via consensus so I can defend the removal of flag icons to the other editors -- just linking them to this ongoing discussion does no good."

Makes sense if we wait until the guideline is formally changed before everyone starts to revert and revert. Agreed? Cheers, Calvin Ty 14:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Regarding Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Swiss International Hotels Collection
I have no experience whatsoever with WP:AFC; however, I'd say that such an article could be nominated for speedy deletion per G11, as that is a criterion that applies to every namespace. That said, I did not delete the page, however, because I'd rather let the AfC people deal with it, since it is nothing that needs to go as soon as possible... Sorry I was not of more help. Cheers. Salvio Let's talk about it! 15:52, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Timecamp
Hello The Blade of the Northern Lights. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Timecamp, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 does not apply to software. Thank you. Salvio Let's talk about it! 21:58, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see what happened; I forgot that web-based ≠ web content. Sorry; thanks for cleaning up my mess.  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 23:09, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * No probs. It was actually a borderline case...  Salvio  Let's talk about it! 02:27, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

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David in DC's misbehavior
Blade, it's going to take some time, but I hope you will eventually come around to see the problem with David in DC's editing style:

1. He makes accusations without gathering facts 2. He colludes with others, buddying up to built support 3. He makes jokes that put down others...not so funny

When I read comments like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:David_in_DC#A_bit_of_fun

This is the height of arrogance on his part. Adults on the 110 Club aren't there to "indoctrinate" others but to serve as mentors and guides. The 110 Club was founded by teenagers. Unlike other clubs discussing supercentenarians, which have monetary gambling on who is going to die next, pictures of supercentenarians as if they were dead, profanity, etc., the 110 Club has been attempting to temper the sometimes-misbehavior that is common to teenagers with adult mentorship. Here's an example of a non-mentored discussion by teens:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/puzzles-other-games/morbid-old-people-betting-game-thread-548102/index3.html

I have seen worse.

David in DC needs to apologize, yet again, for yet another insensitive comment that was so off base, it represents a 180-degree turn from reality. Ryoung 122 22:40, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

P.S. The teens contacted me regarding their group, asking me to join. Unlike many who focus on just their career, I took time out to serve in a capacity that is leading to respect for supercentenarians and a skeptical sense that Carl Sagan called a "baloney detector." I see nothing wrong with exposing pseudo-supercentenarians as frauds when evidence shows they are.

It should also be pointed out that most of those on the 110 Club and longtime Wikipedia editors (such as Nick Ornstein, Brendan(ology), etc) were in fact Wikipedia editors first, joining the 110 Club as a place to discuss supercentenarians. I'm sending you the message but it is really directed at David in DC. Perhaps you can serve as a liasion and gently coax him to tone down his casting aspersions.

Sincerely

Ryoung 122 22:45, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Reversions without knowledge
You recently reverted text on an article that you didn't even work on claiming it "wasn't objective". How is it possible you would know that without even the slightest knowledge of the subject. I see nothing in the articles talk pages where you have discussed that with other editors and a consensus was reached. We are dealing with a POV pushing editor right now that keeps reverting text and ou aren't participating in the solution to the problem, you are adding to it. Please participate in the articles construction by adding to it rather than adding opinion.98.149.114.34 (talk) 13:43, 10 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Nor do I see where you've gained any consensus. I said I didn't know much about the subject, not that I knew nothing. Now that I look over the talkpage, it's rather filled with venom, and I'm thinking I'll leave this snakepit alone. Be advised, however, thta you're rapidly hitting 3RR. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 13:46, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh I understand your tag team with WAID (who reverted twice ) calling you in to continue his edit warring. How its mean't to trick editors into the 3RR. "Venom"?! That is the most ridiculous accusation and clearly states you have no knowledge the discussion at all. Next time, actually read the discussion section, participate if you wish but offing these opinions of that discussion without reading it and reverting without even reading the edits adds nothing to the article at all. Everything in the article was completely sourced and from the same sources WAIDs was from. If you intend to make accusations please post them where someone neutral can decide. 98.149.114.34 (talk) 14:18, 10 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I have no stake in this article, and I've never really interacted with WhatamIdoing; I'm a 20 year old history major with no vested interest beyond adhering to a neutral point of view. What discussion (if you could call it that) I saw was you railing on a couple other editors, who were telling you to stop inserting BLP violations.  I read through and found I agreed with them.  You're not going to intimidate me; hopefully someone more experienced than I will drop in. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 16:07, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Intimidate you?! Railing on other editors?! Utter nonsense! I've done no such thing and I challenge you to go to the article talk page and point out anywhere were I have"personally" railed on other editors. Where there is any "venom". I'm sorry but you haven't read the article or the discussion page and you know nothing about what you have reverted. How exactly does your majoring in history apply to gender dysphoria or sexual identity issues ? Have you read TMWWBQ? No, I'm pretty sure you haven't. You saw no "venom" and I've "railed" on no one. Assuming that this is fabrication I am fairly sure. Please come on the talk page and accuse me. Well, if you aren't too "intimidated". You should know something about the article before you revert, otherwise it's pure vandalism. 98.149.114.34 (talk) 17:53, 10 April 2011 (UTC)


 * By ranting at me on my talkpage, you're merely making my point for me; this is the sort of acerbic attitude I saw on the talkpage. I haven't read the whole book, no, but I did look through the reviews, which seem to be another point of contention.  No, I won't fling around accusations, I don't see how that will be productive.  All I want is to straighten the article out; if we can tone down the invective on all sides here, it should be possible.  And would you please indent your comments; it's not that hard. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 18:06, 10 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Too late, you've already flung around accusations and worse, you are using them to revert an article you haven't read. Yes, responding is ranting I suppose. Tone down the "invective"? I have no idea what you are talking about because I've said nothing personal. You should actually read discussions/article/book before claim bias and revert. IMO , you haven't and that is vandalism. Discussion over unless you want t argue your points on the article talk page. 98.149.114.34 (talk) 18:18, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Gladly I would, except that real life calls right now, and I likely won't be around for a long while. I did take a look at the version on the talkpage, and it doesn't seem totally unreasonable.  If you give me a day or two, I'll finish the book; I will not pretend to be the arbiter of content, but I can at least offer my view up.  I honestly can't understand what is so fantastically important about this book that you're drowning each other in reams of text (on all sides; this is in no way your fault alone); I see you've made an offer on the talkpage at getting some 3rd parties involved, and that looks good.  I'd suggest that brevity will aid you in that process as well.  I'll try to, if not satisfy everyone, at least keep a level head; my main areas of editing involve genocide and repression, so I can handle this.  If I do find myself in over my head, I will quietly slip away.  But now, I have things to do IRL, so over and out.  And by the way, you may not agree with what I did, but it was definitely not vandalism.  If you feel the need to revert me, I won't revert again. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 18:29, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Challenged CSD on JabStar
Hi, I'm just dropping by to let you know I challenged your A7 CSD on JabStar. In my assessment, the claims that he has over 1500 performances, and has appeared both on television and in media coverage is a sufficient assertion of importance to survive criteria A7. I have replaced the A7 with a prod on notability grounds. Monty 845  19:35, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, that's fine; thanks for letting me know. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 20:48, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment on my talk page about NPP
Hi BOTNL -- thanks for your comment on my talk page. I actually don't think that NP patrollers are terrible people, and I'm sorry if I've been coming across that way. (I've been wondering.) Essentially --probably like many of us-- I have conflicted and contradictory views on patrolling. First, I think it's essential: if people weren't doing it, we'd be overrun with spam and vandalism and nonsense. Obviously it needs to get done, and it's good that people are willing to do it. My impression is that it's exhausting and thankless, and that patrollers often feel deluged with the sheer volume of crap that gets posted. So I have empathy for that too. On the other hand, I do think that some patrollers probably tend to bias towards false positives -- their goal is to prevent crap from appearing on Wikipedia, and I think they believe that if a few innocents get caught in the crossfire, that's okay. I, though, believe that the cost of false positives is higher than we've historically believed. We know now that the total number of active editors in the Wikimedia projects is slowly declining, that new editors are getting discouraged and quitting faster than ever before. We know that reversions and deletions of edits by new editors have been climbing over time. And when we ask people why they've quit, many of them say they were discouraged by being reverted and deleted and warned. So, I do believe that patrollers need to upwards-prioritize not shooting the nuns and tourists :-) (i.e., good faith newbies). I think in order to do that, patrollers will probably need new tools and mechanisms that support different/new actions such as moving articles (i.e., to incubators) rather than deleting them, giving friendly feedback as well as warnings, etc. etc. etc. I know there are lots of people thinking about / working on this issue, which I think is good. And by the way thank you for the link to the WIHSD essay: I don't think I'd read it before, and I liked it too :-) Sue Gardner (talk) 20:14, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I hope you don't mind if I jump in on your conversation (I followed it with interest) - but I want to point out one other thing that may be a misunderstanding, but that I think is important. Your positioning of the issues is very "there's the WMF, and then there's US".  I think it's really important to remember that a lot of the folks on the community department staff (and the tech staff, and global dev, and almost all of them) are self-identified Wikimedians.  I still am a community elected administrator on the English Wikipedia and Meta, and I got my start (check the history on User:Philippe) doing new page patrol and CSD work.  I've been there.  So has User:Jamesofur, and User:Steven (WMF), and any number of the others.  So we get it.  Today, I was working on the guiding program some, and it's a struggle to not use templates.  The trick is to make better and smarter templates that don't feel like templates, I think.  We ran an interesting experiment over the weekend where we asked people (non-Wikimedians) to identify whether a message was left by a bot or a human, and you'd be shocked (or, at least, I  was) by the number of them that though the templates were human-written.  That's a GOOD thing, it means our prospective new users may think that too.  But regardless, my point here is.... please don't think we don't feel your pain.  We do.  But it's because it's so important that we (and Sue) feel like it's necessary to bring it up -despite that it means the work will get harder.  Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 00:55, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem; actually, that's pretty neat. The "us and them" distinction is definitely not as stark as the Pink Floyd song would suggest.  A better template design would be good, although that's so far beyond my technical abilities that I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot-pole.  I obviously don't want to disparage your work here; you're the ones who keep the WMF running for people like me to use it.  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 02:49, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

No problem
Happens to all of us now and then. Have a good night, see you around! Neutralitytalk 05:01, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Regarding speedy deletion of Probation Board for Northern Ireland
Sorry to disturb you but i was wondering why you set the page for speedy deletion? I am new to wiki and i am still learning the process so i accept i will inevitably get things wrong. the reason was under G11 promotional or advertising. PBNI is a public sector agency (government) and was unaware the information would be deemed advertising seeing they do not sell anything.

Regards

Itewhitten (talk) 10:56, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks for your comments - will try to reconstruct the article in a more appropriate way. Itewhitten (talk) 10:29, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Kimber James
I find your tone innapropriate. I altered it to a partial filmography highliting notable films and no more than six as the porno guide instructs. I stated the reason for the different picture in the different talk page and no one has reponded to that dialogue. The genital reference i returned as i am going to contrast with other trans porn stars — Preceding unsigned comment added by RafikiSykes (talk • contribs) 01:40, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Anne Scheiber
Anne Scheiber is a famous figure who gained notoriety in the New York area for her actions. Please reconsider the template you put on the article Zobango (talk) 18:21, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Next Time...
...you´d better wait a while before you place speedy deletion requests, as your requests seem speedyer, than the deletion by itself. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wardwell&action=history. Regards. -- Gary Dee (talk) 20:05, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

PokeHomsar
PokeHomsar is just a troll. He got mad because of the Ray William Johnson deal and the fact that I wouldn't except those terrible articles as references. Every opportunity he has, he make comments towards me even if I say something in the slightest. He has a grudge against me and will say anything because he can't get over it. It's childish. Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 20:39, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Vincelord
I wanted to thank you for your recent complements about the recent articles i've created, However i now feel i am being singled out by WikiDan61. Everytime i create a new article he proposes it for deletion and then orders me to stop creating pages, He keeps telling me that the people are not worthy of a page, But i've checked the actor stubs category and there are countless actors with nearly no credits and they have pages. No one eles has an issue with my articles only WikiDan61, I feel i am being unfairly targeted by him, Do you have any advice on what i should be about this situation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vincelord (talk • contribs) 14:02, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Vincelord
I wanted to thank you for your help with the problem i've been having. But WikiDan61 said, rather bluntly, for me to stop creating pages and i would like to know am i still allowed to put up pages if i think the person is notable, I understand that every actor can't have a page. but it can be hard for me to decide notability when everyone has diffrent views on the matter,I'm concerned if i were to put up another page WikiDan61 or another editor doesn't like, could my account be blocked, I don't want to put up pages that may be deleted, but with so many actor stub pages that are left up, deciding who to give a page to is difficult. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vincelord (talk • contribs) 14:33, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Hello The Blade of the Northern Lights,
I don't understand what you are requesting speedy deletion for,i hope is not the article i just created concerning the university in Lafia.Please revisit your request so that the new article is not affected.Thanks-yours  Earlymen  message me!  07:13, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Good,
But it won't affect my edit count anyway,will it? Earlymen  message me!  07:17, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

O.k,but do it in a way it won't affect me much.I will be very greatful.Yours from Nigeria,can i know where you are presently? Thanks  Earlymen  message me!  07:21, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

I admire you,keep the Wiki flag flying and get yourself some warmers out there since i had that the U.S especially the Northeast is cold.Have a nice time colleague. Earlymen  message me!  07:26, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Serious Wikipedians
Hi, What happens after that new article Rfc ends? What is the process?

Given the comments we have seen on that Rfc, I thought that those who "take Wikipedia seriously" should create a category of some sort. There are all kinds of groups within Wikipedia, so how about a category "Serious Wikipedians"? I see the definition as follows:

A serious Wikipedian:


 * Would like to see a day when all articles on key general encyclopedic topics are fully referenced, error free and of a higher quality than traditional printed encyclopedias. (Key encyclopedic topics are defined as those with articles in two major encyclopedias such as Encyclopædia Britannica, etc.)


 * Does not contribute to or endorse articles on trivia such as celebrity rehab visits, obscure and marginally notable living artists or musical groups trying to promote their own album that has sold less than 400 copies, etc.


 * Would like to see a day when more experts are invited to contribute to Wikipedia and policies which protect their contributions.


 * Would like to see "domain encyclopedias" within Wikipedia, on established academic fields of knowledge such as engineering, science, medicine, history, art, religion and literature.


 * Would like to see a day when all articles on domain encyclopedic topics are fully referenced, error free and of a higher quality than traditional printed encyclopedias. (Key encyclopedic topics here are defined as those which appear in two established vertical encyclopedias, e.g. two established medical references.)


 * Would like to see more controls over article quality standards and references rather than the creation of marginally notable new articles. This viewpoint considers the 10th anniversary of Wikipedia as a turning point where improving the quality of exiting articles takes precedence over the creation of new ones.


 * Would encourage the creation of far more sophisticated bots and semi-automated tools for "content protection" against vandalism and thinly veiled commercial promotion. This viewpoints encourages the creation of integrated, institutional guidelines to complement the volunteer designed protection bots.

What do you think? And how does one go about establishing this project group? History2007 (talk) 20:39, 27 April 2011 (UTC)


 * This is a lot to think about and probably should be split into several categories, each with its own page. Most of the points I can agree with wholeheartedly. The idea of topical encyclopedias within the larger encyclopedia strikes me as especially inspired. I'm unsure about the last two points, especially the last one: existing bots could certainly be improved, and new ones created and authorized, but I wonder what sort of semi-automated tools would help to protect content.
 * Are you thinking about doing this as a formal WikiProject? Rivertorch (talk) 06:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, each subtopic can get a page, but there is a unifying theme to it, namely: "We don't just want more text. We want more quality, we want more reliability". So that theme runs through the seven points of the "manifesto". The existing bots are a good start, but they can go a long way. But you are probably right that it is the most complex of the 7 items, and that was why I listed it last. But I do see the future as bot driven with much better tools against vandals.


 * Is the "WikiProject" the vehicle to do this? And the name is....? Wikiproject ...? The project is in some sense "self referential" in that it applies o Wikipedia, not quality control of manufacturing items, etc. So WikiProject Quality would not apply, but WikiProject WikiQuality may. History2007 (talk) 07:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I have never actually joined any WikiProject, so I'm probably not the best person to ask. Someone at the WikiProject Council might offer some advice. The only thing that occurs to me about naming is that it doesn't have to be called "WikiProject x" to be a WikiProject; I've seen a few that don't have that nomenclature. Incidentally, I'm suddenly wondering why we're having this conversation on TBotNL's talk page. Rivertorch (talk) 17:43, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't mind it, actually. I've only joined one WikiProject, WikiProject Burma (or whatever the hell it's called now, with the awful naming issues there), although I've been among those trying to revive the stillbirth that is WikiProject World's Oldest People.  I like the idea, and I can see it working in the way that WikiProject Spam works,  but someone more experienced in these matters should probably have the final say. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 17:57, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Given the info that Spam was a project, I read the pages on projects based on the links you guys provided and it was straightforward to start WikiProject_Wikipedia_reliability now that we have 3 people. Please feel free to add your names there, so we get some initial momentum. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 19:08, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I like most of the points you've stated, especially #2. I think the largest obstacle to wikipedia becoming a serious and trusted information source is the perception among people that do not know the wikipedia community well that we obsess over minutae of family guy episodes but ignore serious historical events and topics related to the hard sciences.
 * As a side note I think the greatest problem among people that DO know the Wikipedia community is the fact we can devote megabytes of text to arguing over whether to use british or american spelling of gasoline/petrol/benzin/fossil fuel long-chain hydrocarbons for propelling a vehicle or an em dash versus a hyphen and end up with wild inconsistencies across articles. I would like to see that as another point for "serious wikipedians."  I think a huge obstacle to being a serious encyclopedia as opposed to a community experiment that has a compilation of pop culture references is that on matters where consensus is not clear chaos reigns because there is no arbiter.  A real encyclopedia has an editor that for better or worse edits things according to consistent style guidelines.  I think for the sake of stability and sanity and a professional appearance we need to force articles to uniformity in some cases and where consensus is impossible to obtain there has to be a foundation caveat.  HominidMachinae (talk) 03:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I came here to improve the coverage of conventional academic topics, but by the classification proposed here, I guess I'm non-serious. The strength of Wikipedia is in the wide overage of popular culture topics, and we should not denigrate that area, but work instead to bring the other areas also up to a more complete status. For all areas, including popular culture, the quality of the articles is valuable, and appropriate referencing is needed. A more rigorous approach to popular culture is also needed--the substantial published (and usually academic) work in the field is largely ignored, just as it is in many other topics of general interest.  I'm not sure it's a higher priority than creating news articles--I think most of the people here work equally on both aspects; I consider them complementary.  What is the highest priority is attracting new editors--most people stay only for a few years, and our survival depends upon their replacement. Therefore, whatever they want to work on is good: the need is to get more people started.       DGG' ( talk ) 19:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Vincelord
I have a question for you on references, recently i made comments on actors Phil Carey and Hume Cronyn that i feel were important and i even listed a book that i used as a reference, yet both comments were removed and i wasn't told why. Is a book a good enoungh reference for me to use or do i have to use something else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vincelord (talk • contribs) 16:41, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Better UAA call than you seem to realize
re User:Slashbslashollocks: you do realize that it spells "bollocks", as well, I hope. Daniel Case (talk) 02:04, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I got that a few minutes after I reported it. Serendipity is nice, when it works in my favor. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 02:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

FYI
FYI: Template_talk:Did_you_know should go on the front page in a week or two, then reliability will get some attention. I am yet to expand the project items but will do so in a day or two. History2007 (talk) 01:18, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your kind welcome. GoldCreek GoldCreek (talk) 00:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Saturdayloo
Could you explain why you requested a speedy deletion of Nicholas Holthaus within seconds of posting. You deleted it before I could vet his films with proper accreditation and sourcing. Holthaus is widely accredited by newspapers and imbd, among others. He is an established film maker.

A template you may find useful
When a new editor starts an article and fails to add sourcing, you can help by adding Welcomeunsourced to their talk page. This is frequently more effective than merely tagging the article with unsourced. KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 17:39, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Because we're required to have sources for BLPs, I BLPPROD them on sight; for non-BLPs, I will take that approach. Thanks for the advice. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 17:41, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Remember that without contributors, there is no encyclopedia at all. Encourage new users to learn how to write articles correctly! You can BLPPROD and put a welcome notice on the author's talk page. The two are not mutually exclusive. :-) KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 17:44, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Makes sense to me; always nice to find new ways to help newbies. Seems like a good solution. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 17:47, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Reworking ELNO on Official Links
Hi,

As an editor who was involved with the recent ELNO discussion, "Spam links becoming standard practice," I am inviting you to comment on the proposal to rework the definition of "Official Link".

Regards, ELNO Checking (talk) 17:57, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

RfA
Thanks, Blade. If I remember correctly, you and I weren't on the exact same wavelength in that whole Mel Gibson/Robert Mugabe free-for-all, at least not initially, but I appreciate your comment. Have you seen this, Arbitration/Requests/Case? Drmies (talk) 02:58, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh no, not more. I've washed my hands of this problem; if you look at Mindbunny's talkpage you'll see I tried to talk some sense into him, but it doesn't seem to have worked.  I'm somewhere between you and Mindbunny on this issue (probably somewhat closer to your view), but his reaction to this is neither constructive nor particularly helpful.  His comment and above request strike me as rather pointy, which is what made the situation worse for him in the first place.  I'll drop in to support your RfA sometime tomorrow, by the way; I've been meaning to. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 03:04, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, more. Also, a thread at ANI for the fuckheads (I'm quoting). In fact I just read your comments on their page: thank you for trying. Sometimes such efforts are successful, sometimes they're not, and I hope it wasn't a waste of your time. But the amount of wikilawyering, and the statements about our corrupt admin corps--from someone with a couple of hundred edits. No wonder SlimVirgin suspected a sock. I have no experience with that suspected master, so I can't judge that, but it is true that many socks have such axes to grind. Anyway, I appreciate your note. Take it easy Blade! Drmies (talk) 03:14, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it was worth is. Failures are just as much learning experiences as successes, and I can't get too hung up on it.  Now that I look at WP:Requests for comment/Noloop, I think SlimVirgin is onto something, and Mindbunny's followup comment confirms it for me.  Anyways, I've now dropped my support at your RfA, and I hope I'm not the last.  Have a good one!!  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 15:51, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't believe this...
Yeah, that's him, the little SOB. Thank God for BSadowski1. Bumblerfan apparently didn't get the message when his school lowered the boom on his sorry @$$ last year. PMDrive1061 (talk) 05:05, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Village pump (proposals)/Proposal to require autoconfirmed status in order to create articles
Hi BNL. This has now been closed with a consensus that I hoped for and anticpated. I would like to think that the 7 months of work that Snottywong and I put into researching the problems associated with NPP carried something towards the discussion, and I would like to thank you personally for having started a debate that has led to one of the most important milestones in the evolution of the Wikipedia. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:35, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. Yes, your research was very helpful in affirming my support for my own idea.  I hope this works out, because if it fails I'll look like a complete idiot.  And when you talk about "the majority of NPPers", when it comes to the accuracy rate I'd like to think I'm one of the exceptions to the rule.  Of late, I've been watching the new user log to clean out some of the userpage spam (which is another job we'll need more people for when this is implemented), but I've been thinking about getting back to NPP again and working more at AfC.  I'm looking forward to it.  Thanks again. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 23:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Your intensive work on  NPP was essential  because it  has proven that under normal  circumstances there is an unacceptable backlog which  was causing  thousands of totally  unverified articles to  enter unnoticed into  the encyclopedia. It's taken a while after your effort, but  the backlog  has now reached 30+ days again, and Snottywong  has restarted his bot. My  personal  effort meanwhile has been to  patrol the patrollers and to  educate them  as nicely  as possible. This has become even more critical since I  got  the mop  and do  actual deletions at  CSD and PROD. I  am  now looking  forward to  some rapid intervention  to get  the 'autoconfirmed only'  trial  implemented and would be pleased to  be of assistance in  preparing  a draft  for the proposal  which as far as I  understand from  the closing  summary, only  confirms setting  the duration  of the trial. Any  peripheral suggestions such  as improvements to  the Wizard, and eventually  making  all new articles pass through it, will  be subject of course to  new discussions. Please keep  me up to  date, and thank  you  again  for all  your hard work. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:54, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Agnes Obel concerts
Don't destroy my work : the "Agnes Obel concerts" wiki article is useful ! Instead, see, for instance, wiki articles such as : "Owl City concert tours", "Jamiroquai concerts", "Rolling Stones concerts"...

Lurulu (talk) 20:45, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid you are travelling down a well worn path here with Lurulu's lists of gigs and icon decoration. All the problems with them have been explained before. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 01:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Autoconf only to make NP
While you're online, let me grab your attention  for a bit: What's happening  on  this right  now? I've searched everywhere but I  can't  see an RfC proposal launched already  to  fix the duration  of the trial. Once the proposal for the trial duration is started, the devs can start preparing the software tweaks and drafts for rewording policy  and guidline pages can begin. Because this is all basically  the fruit  of yours, Snotty's and my  bickering  about  NPP for momnths, I  would be more than willing  to  work  on  any  aspects of getting  this ready. Thoughts? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:40, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... I don't see anything either. The closure mentioned something like 3-6 months, followed by 1-3 months of switching back to business as usual.  If we go that route, I'd like 6 months, but 4 is also OK.  The alternative is to run it until we get a consensus against doing it, which is how the PC fiasco should have been set up all along and which I would favor.  However, I suspect that approach won't curry much favor with the detractors, so I'd shoot for #2 and expect #1.   The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 04:06, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think  the summary  was in  favour  of a fixed period rather than an open ended trial. Main  thing is we have a clear go-ahead for the trial, and like you,  I  would go  for six and accept  4. Most  of the opposition  was driven by  emotion rather than pragmatic argument, and I  see this trial, now accepted,  as being quickly  implemented.  Shall  we try  and get  this duration  proposal thing  drafted? Or should we consider looking  at  the wording  of the policy, guildeline, and software interface pages first so  that  things can go  ahead even more quickly. (This was pretty  much  how I helped bring  the massive BLPPROD saga to  a quick  conclusion). --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I was going to say, you probably have a better idea of what to do than I, but I think we should get everything set up before we figure out the fine print. We can get whatever consensus we like, but until we have what we need to implement it we're stuck where we are now.  I think it'll be easier to come to a consensus if people can see what it will look like, so it won't be just a shot in the dark.  I agree the support rationales were more evidence-based, and I think/hope this can be put in place quickly.  Just my thoughts, though. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 05:01, 29 May 2011 (UTC) And as an unrelated aside; I hope I haven't sunk any chance at a future RfA by starting this.  Not that I was planning to go anytime soon, but it's in the back of my mind.  Then again, CSD work doesn't seem to curry much favor to begin with; we really are the most hated people around sometimes.
 * I guessed you'd say that  and I  agree, and I  have already  been working on rephrasing  all  the instruction, policy, and guideline pages to  have them  ready. There are also  a lot  of templates and uw to  be fixed as well. In  the meantime, please have a look  at  this. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The matter has been taken out of my hands. The page was move-deleted from my user space by  an admin  without  my  assent. I'm  not  going to  make a fuss about  it, but  the trial  project  now needs to  be watched very  carefully - I  don't  want  your, Sotty's, and my  work  to  have been in  vain. Your RfC motion passed with  flying  colours and should not  be required to  face any  further challenges, or need to  wait for decisions on other matters that  were not  part of consensus and which  it's implementation  does not  depend upon. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:18, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I've got my eye on it, and hopefully it doesn't devolve from what I had thought. I did some NPP yesterday, and it only confirmed the desperate need for change.  I don't want this to get hijacked either. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 01:49, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I did some more over the last  48 hours too. I've mailed you. I've probably gently warned more patrollers again  than tagged articles. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:12, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

This is a good sign (Neptune)
Hi, see my talk page, I tried a psychological post on her talk page (push-me pull-you if that makes any sense), it seems to have garnered a reaction, I'll mentor too if she wishes, definitely needs a different approach, I'm glad to find the WP community so big-hearted (because in places there are some real stinkers). Captain Screebo Parley! 21:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. I hope everything works out for everyone.  I've worked with a lot of people with various AS disorders, so hopefully I can help.  Any assistance from you is more than welcome. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 22:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, go fuck yourself you Jap-talking sonofabitch, who the fuck do you think you're talking too? Sorry, couldn't resist it, love your box at the top: your comments are a pile of shit (WP:SPADE) is not a personal attack but an opinion on the content, I see this type of argument posted all over the place, wow, well done.


 * As for Neptune, well, everyone seems to be rooting for her so I am so pleased that she actually replied. Let's go! (hopefully) Captain Screebo Parley! 22:11, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries; User:Timneu22 used to do that sort of thing all the time, I found it rather amusing. I guess it's go time. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 22:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Ha-ha! (you actually looked didn't you?) Captain Screebo Parley! 22:32, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I left her a note on her talkpage; if you'd like to read it over and hit on anything I missed, that'd be great. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 05:06, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Blade, I haven't given up on you or Neptune, just a bit busy IRL with gardening and have a boot/yard sale this weekend. I do have some suggestions which I will post over at her talk (if she hasn't blanked the page yet) and I'll probably e-mail you too. Seems that the old adage patience is a virtue comes into its own here ;-) Captain Screebo Parley! 19:55, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 19:57, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I choose you
I want you to help me. I want to assume good faith. Thank you for wanting to help me! Neptunekh2 (talk) 22:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Good. I'll be more than happy to work with you on whatever you'd like. Most of my content work here revolves around Ainu and Burmese history, but I've read a lot about Nunavut and related topics.  I think we'll both enjoy this. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 22:51, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

There is a reference I would like you to add
On the Sally Carr] page it says Carr married journalist [[Chick Young. They had a son in 1980 but they separated in 1984, although Carr has not divorced Young and they remain friends. On the Chick Young page needs some reference and I thought you could add this one:http://www.retrosellers.com/features172.htm Also can you wikify or clean up the Chick Young article. It seems like a short article and needs to be expanded. Neptunekh2 (talk)`
 * Working on the Chick Young article now; I'm from New England, so my knowledge of the BBC people is somewhat limited, but I'll do what I can. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 23:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

You're from New England
What State are you from? New Jersey? Neptunekh2 (talk) 23:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Connecticut; I'm about 1 1/2 hours from New York City. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 01:01, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

What City in Connecticut do you live in
What City in Connecticut do you live in? And have you been to the north as your name suggests? Neptunekh2 (talk) 01:22, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Shrank down header I'm from right outside Bridgeport; haven't been up north yet, but one of my goals in life is to see Rush in their home country, so hopefully soon. I've worked a bit on the Chick Young article, but I've had some connection issues that won't be resolved until tomorrow (for some reason, I can't open more than two windows at a time); someone else is chewing up a giant chunk of bandwidth on my network, but it's a start.  I added in another ref, I'd like you to take a look and see if there's anything you can add.  If you have issues with the formatting, just do what you can and I'll (try) to fix it. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 01:28, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Looty_Pijamini
Would you mind fixing the article about Inuit artist Looty_Pijamini? The article needs some work. Neptunekh2 (talk) 02:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

話して下さい
Just saw this and wanted to say hi!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:23, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem; I was wondering if someone would notice. I do some work in Japanese/Ainu topics, and I figured it would look nice. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 15:25, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Some Articles that need work
Hi! I created 2 article about a city in Sierra_leone called Ballowharf and a mountain in Peru called Pitusiray. Both articles need work on them and this section of this article needs to expanded: List_of_The_Mummy_characters Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 23:39, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Neptunekh, you also posted the same request at helpdesk and when Hoary asked you not to do that, you posted the same request on his talkpage .  You have got to stop doing this. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:47, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Also posted to Captain Screebo's talkpage . Neptune, just make yourself a big notice that says "I will only post requests for help once." --Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Should I leave Wikipedia
Should I leave Wikipedia? I sometimes feel if I only post a request once it never gets answered. But I will only post a request once for now on. But how quickly can you respond to requests? I will leave if you want me too. Neptunekh2 (talk) 17:44, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Three questions a day
Can I ask you three questions a day and that's it? I can wait 48 hours for each hour. Neptunekh2 (talk) 18:27, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

2 quick questions
1. The article that I created called Martyn_Godfrey needs some work. Can you fix it? 2. Blades I hope you won't be offend but I'm wondering are you a man or a woman? Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 00:09, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Not a problem; I'm a man. As to Martyn Godfrey; I'll have some time in an hour or two, so yes, I think I can help you.  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 00:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * There's a pile of references on the talkpage from when I rescued it from deletion, but I never got round to the article. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 16:09, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I just took a brief crack at it; I'll go through those, but I think I've established notability here, so it shouldn't be a problem. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 16:11, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

A few things to work on
Hi Blades. I'm asking you my few questions for the day: 1. Can you please find a reference for Eli Wallach saying he is of Polish descent? According to Internet_Movie_Database and this link: http://www.nndb.com/people/735/000022669/ He is of polish descent but those links aren't reliable sources. 2. Should the person called Anne-Marie_Goumba go under the category Category:Rwandan_immigrants_to_Central_Africa_Republic since the article says she was born in Rwanda and now lives in the Central_Africa_Republic country? Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 04:32, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * To question 2; yes, that seems like a perfect category, as the CAR seems to be Anne-Marie's country of residence now. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 04:37, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * And question one seems to be resolved by this. I'll add it in now. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 04:39, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

さて、話してみよう
Blade, I like what you put at the top of this page.

Erm, you write 話して下さい, but my system lacks MS Mincho and the display is distinctly cheesy -- far worse than with no font specification. -- ホーリ (しゃべり) 03:13, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You can see User talk:DoubleJayTheGreat for what it looked like before I kicked over to this font (and before I realized why I shouldn't change my preferences late at night; forgot my te-forms for a moment there); Ms Mincho is what my Windows 2007 defaults to. I didn't realize it doesn't display properly, though; I'll see what, if anything, I'll do about it. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 03:18, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, there you are. A Windows machine is likely to use MS Mincho when it sees kana; a Mac OS X machine will do so (but why not let it use a different font, likely to be just as good if not better?), while a Linux machine will be unnecessarily nudged into using a font that looks like intercoursing ordure whoops sorry I didn't mean to say that. Yes, on this machine, your sig looks better within User talk:DoubleJayTheGreat. &para; But let's not take this all too seriously. Light relief: this is the (non-) news story that has most delighted me during the last 24 hours. Yes, you too can vote! -- Hoary (talk) 03:41, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You have just officially made my evening. ;) The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 03:42, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

A few things to mention
1. Would you mind adding a source for Scottish author page called Alexander_mccall_smith that his book The Great Cake Mystery is being released in 2012? The only source I found for it was this: http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/m/alexander-mccall-smith/great-cake-mystery.htm 2. Can you find a source for actress Alexandra Powers being into Scientology being married to Canadian Gavin Potter. I only found this source: http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/a/alexandra-powers.html 3. Can you send me a postcard from Connecticut if I gave you my address? Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 06:00, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 1 and 2 shouldn't be a problem, provided my connection holds out. 3 is fine as well, although I'd suggest you do that by e-mail; I've got e-mail enabled.  I check it regularly. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 03:44, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Joseph_Idlout
1. Would you mind fixing the reference I added on the page called about an inuit called Joseph_Idlout? 2. I think you should at the Alexandra Powers because it needs for references. She is possibly into Scientology. What is your e-mail address? Neptunekh2 (talk) 13:19, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll keep searching; I haven't found anything yet, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. To e-mail me, you can click the "E-mail this user" button in the toolbox on the sidebar.  If you have any issues with that, let me know. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 14:50, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

List_of_The_Mummy_characters
The article with List_of_The_Mummy_characters with The_Scorpion_King_2:_Rise_of_a_Warrior characters needs to be expanded. Can you please expand that? You can use this wiki as a guide: http://mummy.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WikiActivity Thanks!Neptunekh2 (talk) 21:45, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

My RfA
I just wanted to take a minute to thank you very much for supporting me in my recent RfA. Even though it was unsuccessful, I appreciate your trust. With much gratitude, jsfouche &#9789;&#9790; Talk 02:27, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the update
I just weighed in at the ANI. I tell you, I've just about reached my limit between chronic sockpuppeteers, chronic vandals and most recently, a user with a clear COI issue flying off the handle over a copyvio. Thanks for letting me know what was going on. You and Anna each deserve praise beyond a simple Barnstar. PMDrive1061 (talk) 17:19, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Spanish Civil War lists
Thanks for asking for my opinion :) I basically agree with you - in cases of wars and battles, the most significant point to be made is who was fighting on which side. Since nations themselves didn't really take sides in an official capacity as far as I know, it doesn't really matter where the soldiers came from, only whose side they were on. The soldiers' nationalities are mentioned anyway in the articles I've looked at, and no further emphasis is required. So I'd go with your interpretation of not emphasising nationality without good reason, and if anyone objects, then a "good reason" needs to be supplied. Let me know if there's any debate, as I don't have those articles on my watchlist - there seems to be quite a few! Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

The Map for google earth
1. Can you send me the link for the map of google earth? 2. Also can you expand List_of_The_Mummy_characters? I did ask you that a couple of days ago. 3. Can you find a reference for Milla_Jovovich saying what nationality she is? Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 23:48, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If you read the article, there's a reference where she describes herself as Ukrainian (its towards the end of the article), which is where her family come from and where she was born. She also holds US citizenship. What nationality does that make her? --Elen of the Roads (talk) 00:01, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It makes her nationality confused, is what it does. This is why FLAGBIO is very rigid, and why I recently had to get AWB access to remove the giant amounts of flag icons from longevity lists. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 00:33, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Quite. I think a lot of the time it's safer not to say anything, particularly in a userbox where you can't provide any context. Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:32, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Dale_Campbell
An article about a craver named Dale_Campbell needs some work. Also I started an article called Atlin_Gold_Rush. Could you add to the article? Neptunekh2 (talk) 03:43, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll take a shot at it sometime tomorrow; real life has suddenly called. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 03:46, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Discovery canyon
I've declined your A7 as I don't think it fits. It doesn't seem to be a company. I suggest prod or AfD as I can't find a CSD category that DOES fit... Peridon (talk) 21:57, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Dale_Campbell
Can you work on the Dale_Campbell article today please? Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 03:47, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Blade, please see in response to a post on my talkpage by Neptune.  Can you offer her any advice? --Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:30, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, give me a few minutes IRL and I'll try. The tough part will be getting the message across without being harsh. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 22:40, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Unpatrolled articles‎
There still seems to  be a software glitch. If you have a moment  please check  back  in  the talk  page to  how we covered this before. I have sent Snottywong  the same message but  I  believe he is very  busy  in  RL at  the moment. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:49, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Nova Rex
I think this is actually a band, not a person and they might actually be notable (re a google search). On the other hand, the user name is a bit suspicious. Still, would you mind if I deleted the CSD and tagged with multiple problems and then prod'd it for notability? N <sup style="color:red;">o f o rmation <sup style="color:black;">Talk  03:12, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I hear you on that brother. So it's all done now, if the prod is contested and the user doesn't cleanup I'll probably retag the speedy.  The user name was reported though so it's possibly they may just delete the article for that.  N <sup style="color:red;">o f o rmation  <sup style="color:black;">Talk  03:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Workshop
I thought  you'd just  like to  know that admin User:Rd232 has just  blocked himself for a month. Perhaps we now have free rein to start  a new, reasonable proposal or to  do  it  through  a workshop  as I  have suggested. Something has to  move now before before the consensus is 'lost'  for lack  of interest. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:43, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. We can't really have something like this in someone's userspace if they can't respond now.  I'm not sure what exactly we should call it, but just about anything will be an improvement. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 04:54, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I suggest  adding a proposal  to  the talk  page of the discussion  where the consensus was reached. keeping  it  simple on  the lines of my  original  proposal. We  can quickly  draft  this up in  either your or my  userspace and then paste it  there. we could add a short notice about  it on  the VP (technical, because it's about  implementation). What  do  you  thinK? Perhaps discuss the ideas with  Jayron too. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:59, 13 June 2011 (UTC). PS/ perhaps also  get  Snottywong's input  on  it too.
 * Seems like a plan. The original proposal is still buried in the history of User:Rd232/RfC for trial (draft phase), and we can just restart that and make whatever modifications we need to it.  Hopefully the talkpage there and a WP:VPT note there will attract a few, and only a few, people. And of course Snottywong's input would be excellent. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 05:06, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Found it. I would suggest  keeping  the intro, and then:
 * Within the framework of the recommendations made in the closing discussion summary:
 * To operate the trial for a period of 6 (six) months during which the holders of registered accounts may  not  create pages in article mainspace until their account has reached autoconfirmed status
 * Statistics should be be extrapolated in table and graph  form over the preceding  six months to  show: The number of new articles created by  non autoconfirmed editors; The number of new articles created by  non autoconfirmed editors that  were subsequently  deleted by  CSD, PROD, BLPPROD, and AfD; The number of those new editors who  have not  edited since their article was deleted; the number of those new editors of deleted articles who  are still  making  constructive edits. The number of those new editors who have been blocked for disruptive editing/recreation  of deleted articles, trolling, and vandalism.
 * Repeat the statistics for the six months of the trial, and create  overlapping  comparison  graphs.
 * Take into account  the general  decline in  submission of new articles as shown on  the graph  at  File:Enwikipediapercgrowth.PNG.
 * After six months of trial, to stop  the trial  for a period of 30 (thirty) days for evaluation, before reinstalling  the restriction as a long-term feature of en.Wikipedia.
 * Periods of six months are required in order to  compensate for seasonal  changes, for example the nonsense articles created by  students from  their school's computers during  term  time, possible drops  in  other creations during  vacation  periods,  and major election  campaigns (candidate promotion).


 * I think  that  should do  it. I see no  reason  at  all  for anything  more complicated. I am fully convinced that  any  collateral damage, such as the loss of potential  new regular  contributors, is more than  adequately  offset  by not only  preventing  the 80%  thoroughly inappropriate articles that  are deleted anyway (either  summarily  by  a patrolling  admin or through  CSD template by  an NP editor), but  also  in  a severe reduction  in  the number of   articles that  escape NPPers' attention and slip  unnoticed into  the Wikipedia where they  can stay  for  a very  long time, even years, before they  come to  light. The huge backlog  of unsourced and poorly  sourced BLPs is just  one example of poor patrolling. There's nothing  much  we can do  about  the flood of poorly  written articles from  Asia - they  are problematic, but  many  of them  survive after a cleanup. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:57, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * So you've noticed the increasing number of India and Pakistan articles in horrifically mangled English too. My favorite is still Who was the first lady judge of punjab and haryana high court at chandigarh, which I had to add to WP:DAFT; it's titles like that which make me want to have a "move with suppressed redirect" userright, as detailed at the top of WP:VPR. To the matter at hand, though, I think the above is about what I was looking for. In going through your RfA, my comment to Salih is rather unfortunately true; it's that mentality we need to snap NPP out of, and this is the only feasible way to do it.  Simplicity is key here, and I think the above is perfect. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 06:30, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Salith's comments at my  RfA were correct  in  one context: his supposition, but  wrong  in  the implementation  of PROD policy and how I  went  about it before, and since I got the mop. If the truth  were known; I'm  a terribly  slow tagger,  because not  only  do  I  go  through  the steps that  I  helped design  at  WP:NPP, but  my  other, and main agenda, is to  get  some empirical  experience about  how bad the system  really  is -  and I'm  still  doing  it. I  leave a lot  of new pages for others to  tag, and I  CSD a lot for other admins to  actually  delete, as people like Boing  will  confirm. That  way, at  least  a deletion  gets carried by  the opinion of two  admins. I'm  not  really  interested in doing NPP  myself, it's a thankless task and it's the quickest  way  to  get  rude messages on  one's talk  page. OK, so  on  the trial, let's wait until  wee get  some feedback at least  from  Beeb, Snotty, and Jayron, then hang the discussion  on to  the original RfC talk  page  an  a brief note at  the VP. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:14, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I keep  saying  'Jayron'  but  that's not  the guy's name is it? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:50, 13 June 2011 (UTC) Gottit: User:Jayron32.


 * I think Kudpung's plan sounds workable and needs to be enacted ASAP. The longer we debate the color of the bikeshed the less impetus there will be to get this going.  Lets enact the restriction, start collecting data as we go along, and at the same time work on analyzing the data from the prior 6 months.  More delays = more bad.  -- Jayron  32  17:30, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I concur; stuff like this is getting old real fast, and debating the color of the bikeshed, as you say above, isn't getting us anywhere. Let's get this going. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 17:34, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm still  concerned about  the content  of this particular draft,  not  only, but  also  because it  is taking  place in  a blocked user's space and who  is clearly  not  available for further comment for another month. There are comments and suggestions added as recently  as 11 days ago and contributors may feel that  their suggestions may  not  have been evaluated. Nevertheless, it's turning  into  another interminable discussion of the very  kind that  needs to  be avoided, and it  appears as if the contributors come mainly from  those who  opposed the original  motion. I'm  not  sure how to  proceed here,  but  naturally  I  want  this thing  to  be implemented  as was agreed by  consensus. The data that  is required in  my  suggestion  above is IMHO perfectly  adequate, taking  into  account the variables that  can only  ever be grey  areas that  are  subject to  so  many  different  influences. Technical  implementation  can be worked out  later, but  we could start  gathering  the stats right now. Please see this. Thoughts please. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:58, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Go with Kudpung's sandbox wording as being more comprehensive. I have amended slightly, as the purpose of the trial and evaluation is to decide if this should be implemented after the trial, and that needs to be made clear. Also, I added the question as to who and how the outcome is decided. I suggest creating a page for the proposed wording, and inviting opinions on WP:CENT. Making it clear that it has been decided to implement the trial, and it is the mechanics of how to implement it that needs discussion and agreement. So make a page which describes how the trial is to be implemented and point discussion to the talkpage. <font face="Script MT" color="#1111AA" size="2">SilkTork  *Tea time 13:42, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm finding it  difficult to  find solutions for providing  stats. I've put  several  feelers out  and the response ranges from 'maybe you'll  have to  do  it  yourself' to  'This request  is too  complex' and  'make a request  at  toolserver'. (which  I  know nothing  about). There's also  this that I  stumbled on. Assuming  good faith,  it's natural also  to  assume that  anyone who  is/was opposed to  the change will  not  wish  to  be involved. Perhaps the WMF should be asked directly, but  who? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:25, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm back from my extended exile... I can try to compile some of these stats this week, perhaps as early as tomorrow. I'll let you know.  It may not be possible for me to compile some of the stats requested above (for instance, number of articles created by non-autoconfirmed users which were later deleted), since that information is only available to admins, a user right with which I apparently can't be trusted.  I'll dig around and see if there is any way to access that information via the toolserver database.   <b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 0.4em,#00a -0.2em -0.2em 0.4em,#0a0 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;color:#ddd">&mdash;SW&mdash;</b> talk 16:17, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * SW: I've left a message on  your tp. The revised list  of stats is here. I  know nothing  about  using  the database, but  if my  admin  access can help in  any  way, please let  me know. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * There are also some suggestions here. I  think  I  have addressed most  of the points, but  it  might  be as well  to  check. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm basically on board with your alternate proposal here; it should get things done while quelling some of the teeth-gnashing typical of these RfCs. Sorry I've been so apathetic here; RL caught up with me for a while, but I think the worst of it is over.  I think we definitely want to get this on no later than July 1st. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 00:44, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's my turn  to  be lazy -  I  missed the reply  above. We have several  ways of doing  this: Moving  the current  discussion  from  the blocked user's user space to  Wikipedia:xxxx space and adding my  sandbox draft proposal onto  it, or starting  a new RfC with  my  proposal. I  don't  want  to  ruffle any  feathers. Perhaps Beeblebrox with  his experience can chime in  here. As I  said before, the database isn't  going  to  run away, and there's nothing  to  stop  the trial  going  ahead while the first  batch  of stats is being  prepared, but  I  just  think  it  would be good to  have something  ready  asap. The trial discussion  is not  a platform  for discussing  the technicalities, the devs will  just  have to  do  whatever is necessary to  the site software, and we can discuss the wording  of any user interface  changes and messages. I  know how to  change those. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:13, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles that need work
1. A article that needs work is Atlin,_British_Columbia. Can you clean it up? 2. Also since you are my mentor, can you tell me how I can clean up the Dale_Campbell aritcle? Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 03:04, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I only only post once in the reference desk
I only only post once in the reference desk. Neptunekh2 (talk) 03:15, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Neutranity
Hi Blade. I've declined the A7 speedy on this because I don't believe A7 covers made-up philosophies. The AfD is here. Cheers. 28bytes (talk) 03:51, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That's fine; I read it as a religion, but perhaps I was just up a bit too late last night. Thanks for letting me know. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 13:52, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of List of Swiss supercentenarians for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of Swiss supercentenarians is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/List of Swiss supercentenarians until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. David in DC (talk) 20:34, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

User:Terri-Jean Bedford
What reason do you have to believe that User:Terri-Jean Bedford isn't Terri-Jean Bedford? The user page she created seems a little bit promotional, but it's perfectly consistent with the publicly available information about the subject. It's also basically the same information as on her web site http://www.madamedesade.com/ (which even links to her user page on Wikipedia). If someone is putting this on as a hoax it's very elaborate. Pburka (talk) 03:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

HA!



 * Absolutely hilarious! Made me LOL too. I  don't  agree with  either of you  though ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:31, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I've increasingly found that many people are humor-impaired, and it's nice to know my sense of humor is appreciated. I'm a Mayhem fan; it's kinda hard to do worse than that (see Dawn of the Black Hearts). The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 14:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Thomas Spencer (mathematical physicist)
Hi,

I have erased the notability tag after adding some content. Hopefully, the article meets the guidelines now.

Best, Sasha (talk) 03:18, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Adding to a article
I clean up the Dale_Campbell article a bit. What do you think? Neptunekh2 (talk) 01:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you've done some good work on it; I'll pop in over the next day or two and see what I can do. You should also take a look at some of the links Elen of the Roads provided in the AfD and see if you can make use of those.  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 05:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Stats
Hi Blade. Latest developments are here. If you  have a moment, your ideas would be appreciated. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Myanmar at the 2010 Asian Para Games
Hello TBNL, you might not aware of it, but we don't use "Burma" on sport articles, like we have Myanmar at the 2008 Summer Olympics, similarly Myanmar at the 2010 Asian Games. This is a common naming convention. <font color="#009900">undefined — Bill william compton <font color="#000000">Talk  03:28, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Mea culpa; I jumped a bit too fast on this one. I've had to clean up after several new users unfamiliar with our naming conventions there (see my move log; and that's just the very tip of the iceberg, a lot of it is editing the articles as well), and I forgot to check this time.  I'll clean up after myself, if you haven't already. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 03:33, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Pas de soucis. <font color="#009900">undefined — Bill william compton <font color="#000000">Talk   03:48, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Suh Sui Cho
Why did you remove the flag ? That page is part of the WikiProject Table tennis... all the wikipages about table tennis players include the flag/s in the biotemplate. --Cialo (talk) 13:59, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

NPP
Hi Blade. You will  find this discussion interesting. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Update/1/Deletion policy changes, 2011
Thanks, good work. - Dank (push to talk) 19:08, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad to help. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 20:18, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

User:Comin' & Goin' Guy
I saw you declined this AIV report a couple of days ago (now blocked by Favonian); this was yet another obvious MascotGuy sock. It says on his LTA page to block on sight, which I'd interpret to mean "take it to AIV" for us non-admins; he usually doesn't edit, he just creates accounts. When someone reports as a MascotGuy sock, you have to check the user creation log; if it's a new user creating a bunch of strangely-named accounts, it's definitely him. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 18:42, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip. I don't recall the specific report so maybe you did this, but in general it would be helpful to point out that it's a quacker in the report so we can know to check the creation log or leave it for someone else. I'll keep an eye out for this in the future anyway. Regards, causa sui (talk) 21:19, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Finish Ticket
Just a note that I undeleted this article per a request at WP:REFUND and sent it to AFD. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 01:23, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Author notification about speedy at Share2there
Hi. This is just to let you know that you may have forgeotten to notify the author about the speedy deletion. I have anyways gone ahead and notified regarding the same. Cheers! &mdash;   Abhishek   Talk 16:05, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that; I usually tag with Twinkle, but today something got borked and I had to manually tag. Thanks for cleaning up after me. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 16:33, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. You're right, there seems to be a problem with TW. I tried tagging a page for speedy, all it did was only notify the author and not tag the page. &mdash;   Abhishek   Talk 16:39, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Nick Moore (Film Director)
Thanks to the ministrations of user:PamD, i think the article has reliable sourcing now. ElectricRay (talk) 09:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Kobaia,_Sierra_Leone
Can you add to stub article that is a town in Africa called Kobaia,_Sierra_Leone? There is a lack of information about the town online. Also I created an article about an Inuit artist called Simeonie_Amagoalik. Can you add to those 2 articles please? Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 23:52, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, give me a day or two to finish my userspace draft, and it shouldn't be a problem. I'll add some, and I'll give you the sources I used; I want you to look through them when I'm done and see if there's anything else you can add.  Sound like a deal?  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 01:08, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

AfD
Jeff Pearce (American artist). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.131.48 (talk) 13:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

You nominate articles for deletion. I am bringing this to your attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.216.194.180 (talk) 13:16, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Number_1_Ladies_Detective_Agency
There is an upcoming book in the Number_1_Ladies_Detective_Agency by Alexander_McCall_Smith called Botswana 13. I found a source for the book right here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Botswana-13-Alexander-McCall-Smith/dp/1408702606 Can you please add this information in the Number_1_Ladies_Detective_Agency by Alexander_McCall_Smith articles? Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 19:23, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

?
Hi!

Can't you tell me, when I log in (write username, password), and can't edit and write articles under my username. Browser says me that I have "cookies" disabled. What must I do? User: John Troodon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.75.119.189 (talk) 13:39, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure; the people at the help desk, who are generally more technically oriented than me, should be able to help you though. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 13:42, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


 * depending on  the platform you  are using, (Windows, Mac OS )You coud try  looking  in  your browser 'properties', 'settings' or 'preferences' and check 'enable cookies'. You  may  also  wish  to  look  at  your 'My  preferences' on  the top  of the Wikipedia pages, and check  that  everything  is in  order. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:56, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

The problem is, that I can't go to "My preferences". When I click there, it says me:"Error. It is private information(or smth like it)".User:John Troodon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.75.119.189 (talk) 05:16, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Wheels
Apparently, I'm going to start rolling... :P Reaper Eternal (talk) 02:57, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You and Rupert Murdoch both; and his company. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 03:00, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm heading off to bed for the night. I'd watch the new talk page log, as floods of vandalistic pages of similar nature are rolling in. :P G'night! Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:03, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The little 4chan kiddies probably couldn't get dates; I guess they have to vent the frustration of being rejected somewhere. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 03:04, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Neptunekh2
See my talkpage. She's created a bunch of categories that are all nominated for deletion - Category:Hudson bay native people that doesn't make sense, Category:American_Actors_of_British_descent that goes against pre-established principles, and a whole bunch that divides up TV shows in Canada, to Tv shows (or sometimes tv series) in various misspelled bits of Canada. SeeCategories_for_discussion/Log/2011_July_9 for the whole lot. She's also spamming again, and Nymf has found a copyvio at Simeonie Amagoalik (the diff is on my talkpage.

Hand on heart, can you honestly say that Neptune is communicating with you. If you are in email contact with her, you might have a chance to explain all this. Or is she just firing orders to fix things at your talkpage, and not actually talking to you?--Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi all, first off, sorry Blade, I wanted to write you with some suggestions concerning Neptune but real life got really real for the whole month of June.
 * Basically, I was going to ask you to talk to Neptune about her category creations, see this post on Elen's talk page, where I listed a bunch of categories that she created that were either duplicata, improbable cross-sections or wrongly spelled, as you will see most have been subsequently deleted.
 * Neptune does not seem to take on board notability - here, amongst others, I am referring to her creation of articles about two villages in the middle of nowhere in Sierra Leone, Kobaia, Sierra Leone and Ballowharf. All I could find about Ballowharf was an Amnesty report in French about some refugees going there and I think it said the population was about 4-500 people, so just some poor fishing village on the northern coast of SL. I know that you are trying to help her but if she cannot take on board the basic criteria for creating an article or category then you are in serious trouble.
 * I was monitoring your exchanges a month ago and Neptune seems to just create one or two line articles about fairly obscure or non-notable subjects and then ask you to expand the article. I think someone needs to explain to her that you can't just create articles about anything or everything that takes your fancy. <font color="B22222">Captain <font color="DAA520">Screebo <font color="32CD32">Parley! 16:52, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I thought I had made some progress with getting her to post less often at the reference desk. My RL has been somewhat crazy of late, and I'm trying (through various means) to get this implemented, so I've not been as communicative as I probably should have; however, it's not as if I haven't done anything to try.  I did try to steer her in the right direction on Dale Campbell, and I thought I'd gotten somewhere (she did do some work on it, though not a huge amount; at the time I was willing to chalk that up to something in RL, as she had slowed down for a couple of days), but it doesn't seem to have been enough.  I'll leave her a strongly-worded message on her talkpage; if that isn't enough, I think we'll need to invoke WP:NOTTHERAPY.  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 17:16, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No criticism of you here. If someone won't talk, they won't talk, and if someone is (apparently) unable to parse the meaning of 'please run this by me first', or 'please show me here', then it makes mentoring kind of impossible. Elen of the Roads (talk) 17:54, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to add to Elen's comments, you seem to be wholeheartedly interested in helping this user, so no criticism of you. I noticed that there seemed to be e-mail exchanges going on and you replied to your own tp messages after having apparently received an e-mail reply from Neptune. For me, Neptune does not seem to be able to take on board the criteria for article/category creation, hell, I used to practise Tai Chi, I use homeopathy (not often as I'm almost never ill) and so on, but there is no way I will wade in to these areas on Wikipedia and say "you're wrong, it works" as this would be OR and the current weight of scientific opinion is against all of this stuff (and I won't even mention the cosmic origins of mankind, chaos magic and ley lines for example, oops!). Basically, WP has a set of rules and if we can't abide by them then we shouldn't wiki in the first place. <font color="B22222">Captain <font color="DAA520">Screebo <font color="32CD32">Parley! 18:48, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I want to run this by you
Is the category Category:People_from_Hudson_Bay_Quebec a good catgeory to create? Please let me know. I'll use Assume_good_faith. What do you want me to do? Neptunekh2 (talk) 18:55, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * First you need to deal with Category:Hudson bay native people which is currently at categories for deleteion. Do you understand why that category is proposed for deletion.
 * Second, Category:People by region in Quebec does contain subcategories for people from the various regions in Quebec. However, if you look up Hudson Bay, it's not like Echo Beach - its a vast saltwater bay, with a huge shoreline and numerous islands.  So the question is - do you mean Hudson_Bay,_Saskatchewan, Hudson Bay (electoral district), or people who live on the islands. You should put a note into the category to say which definition applies. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:27, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And don't spam Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:30, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
See 'Stats'; --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:07, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Please review this edit. I've opened a thread on the project talk page for discussion.David in DC (talk) 00:54, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Kinda unfortunate that it needs saying, but I fully agree with it. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 01:22, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

trial: technical requirements
I have started the discussion for the technical  requirements here, and populated the page with what  is basically  needed and some suggestions for the interface changes. I am not  an expert in  these matters. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:59, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your comments on WT:CSD. I realise that I didn't respond, and I didn't want to seem rude. Thanks for the link, and thanks for the sentiment; I appreciate it. — Fly by Night  ( talk )  23:58, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem; sometimes the people who hang around that page make it seem like the consensus about it is much more immutable than it is. It sometimes helps to remind people an alternate viewpoint exists. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 00:15, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Finding Sources
1. Could you find a reliable source for Pornstar Chanel_Preston's heritage or ancestry and list it in her article? 2. Could you also find a source saying that actor John_Cho has duel American and Korean nationality since he is Korean-born? Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 06:55, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Flags
Why did you get rid of the flags in the last surviving veterans of the spanish civil war?

Idiot. Goldblooded (talk) 19:50, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Forgive me for butting in, but those flags failed WP:FLAGBIO and this user was following the guideline correctly. Also, if you want to continue as a Wikipedia editor, you need to learn how to address people properly and courteously. However you might like to address people in person, on Wikipedia we have higher standards. You would be well advised to read WP:NPA, and maybe even restrict your abuse of other editors to occasions when you're not completely wrong. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:09, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the comment, Bretonbanquet. Goldblooded, there has been a huge problem with gross overusage of flags in longevity lists, and I removed them because the above guideline is very clear on that issue.  Beware of calling the kettle black. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 21:51, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

They was only about 20 of them! And dont go ruining my article - list of last living ww2 vets, the flags make it more colourful and i cant revert your edit either! Vandal! Goldblooded (talk) 16:52, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You obviously didn't read the links Bretonbanquet provided above. WP:FLAGBIO makes it very clear that you can't indicate place of birth, residence, or death with flags, and WP:NPA states that you shouldn't attack editors.  I only allow personal attacks on my talkpage if you have a valid point to make (c.f. the Earthcore fiasco in Archive 1 on my talkpage); you don't, ergo you can't attack me.  Keep it up and you'll be blocked. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 20:37, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I could of sworn i saw you were banned before or had something to do with vandalism. Anyway its not nessarially the country they were born its the country they fought and their comrades died for. I suggest you show some respect. Besides they have them on the WW1 version. And you cant threaten me either. Goldblooded (talk) 20:45, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not about respect, it's quite simple; if you read the policy I linked above, it provides an example of how flags can be misleading. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 20:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

It is. These are the flags they fought for and could of died for (Many of their comrades did) Besides its on the WW1 version of the page anyway and its easier to sort them out and recognise them. People reading that article would know what they signify anyway. I suggest you leave it. Goldblooded (talk) 20:57, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Goldblooded, I suggest you moderate your personal attacks here. Blade is acting in line with current policy - if you want to get it changed, you need to challenge the policy at the policy talkpage, not indulge in personal attacks. I have noted the edit summary to your revert - I hope you avoid this kind of response in the future. Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Well why are you answering for him? Stop acting like a snivelling child and grow up. I asked him a question not a "personal attack" and i actually give a damn about the men who died so that we can be here today. Goldblooded (talk) 22:11, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * "Sniveling child" ---> I guess you didn't read WP:KETTLE either. What I did was bring the article into compliance with MoS; you can try to get it changed, but I'll tell you before you do that a few months ago we did a lot of work to bring MOSFLAG to where it is now, and I don't think you'll be successful.  And how, exactly, does removing the flags show how little I care about WWII vets? The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 22:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Goldblooded, did you really just tell an admin to "stop acting like a snivelling child and grow up"? I'm amazed your blatant personal attacks haven't got you blocked already. You talk about respect, and like most people who rant blindly about respect, you clearly have no concept of it whatsoever. A few pointless flags are (correctly) removed from some articles and you contrive to translate that into a lack of respect for those who fought in wars? That's one of the most deeply crass and offensive accusations I've ever seen on Wikipedia, and there's some pretty stiff competition. Guidelines don't seem to be your choice of reading material, but you need to start following them or this is only going to go one way. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:52, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Breton theres no point of cruelly piling on, And ive been called a snivelling little child on here before. No but the thing is men died for those flags and besides if you dont really understand that sort of thing. then the WW1 vets article has them and the same with the world cup. Ive read all of the guidelines and i follow each and everyone of them, And ive uploaded and contributing a lot to wikipedia in my short time of being here. And if you talk to me normally, not deorgratorially i am probably one of the nicest people on here. Thanks Goldblooded (talk) 23:36, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Sigh*

So you just went ahead and removed them anyway, why are they on other pages like WW1 vets and the world cup, Anyway forget it; You know what i dont even care anymore. Do your worst. Goodbye ive had enough. Im not even going to explain everything to you. Goldblooded (talk) 23:43, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Is this what you generally do, then? Call people 'idiot' with your first contact, 'vandal' with your second contact, then complain when they don't like it and criticise you for it? Then imply you're being victimised and give up? If you'd read the guidelines, you'd know that the flags aren't supposed to be on the WW1 vets page, and the World Cup is a different matter covered in a different part of the guideline. It's all explained there in the help texts, guidelines and policies. Those men didn't die for flags, they died for causes and beliefs. Rather than give up, why not figure out how to talk to people more courteously and try to understand their point of view, and push your causes and beliefs in a more constructive way? Assume good faith, and all that. Nobody's out to get you, but on here as in life, you will pretty much reap what you sow. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:09, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

RFC from you
Please comment here where I have commented and beseech you to exercise leadership. You are the type of Wikipedian who can make a difference, I hope you will. My76Strat (talk) 23:31, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Done; the exchange directly above me lit up my talkpage when I went to his RfA to change my vote, I think you'll understand why it slipped my mind. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 23:42, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I do understand, and did understand that you were of the caliber shown by your last edit to that page. As an aside, I saw once where you posted that you yourself thought you needed significantly more time before putting yourself forward at RfA. I wanted to comment then, but withheld, I won't withhold commenting now. Don't shortchange yourself. Surely I am not the only Wikipedian who has seen your good work and clue. And you have shown it just again. With esteemed regards, My76Strat (talk) 00:08, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I said that at the talkpage. There are two issues that make me think I'll have a hard time becoming an admin; 1. I don't make a huge proportion of mistakes on NPP (I'd say maybe 1% at most of my CSD tags are wrong), but I do so much NPP that the 1% of mistakes are closer to one another than with most people, which attracts the ire of some people, and 2. my dealings in the area of longevity, which involved an arbitration case, haven't exactly engendered good feeling in some people, because I've been the driving force behind some of the badly-needed changes there, most notably the MOSFLAG issue; the above exchange is only one of several in many locations going back to March (it was so bad I actually had to get AWB access to remove all the flag icons without getting RSI).  I think I'd make a good admin, but I want to get a little more experience under my belt.  And I thought you were unfairly shot down at your RfA; I hope you'll be able to pass through soon enough. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 02:06, 24 July 2011 (UTC) And as an aside, I created WP:BEARPIT as a redirect for a reason; I hope we can engender some kinder feelings at RfA really soon.

Edit number template
Hi The Blade of the Northern Lights. I'm a little confused. You see, I've searched the following templates:


 * Template:User edit count
 * Template:Editcount
 * Template:User Editcount

If you can help please, I would like to have a template on my user page (presumably a userbox) that shows my exact amount of edits, in other words, let's say I have exactly 100 edits, it could say something like This user has made 100 edits or something along those lines. Please respond with a template I could use, and thanks for your time. <font face="Myriad Web Pro"><font color="Black">Tom <font color="Orange">US <font color="Orange">A  20:18, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Neptune
. It was a bad deletion call, but the article wasn't fit to be put up at all - even worse than what she usually comes up with. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If User:Ryan Vesey/Valasca is indeed the article that she created herself, I am trying to figure out where it was copied from. Compared to other edits by Neptunekh2, I think we all can agree that she didn't write that herself. Nymf hideliho! 13:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh no, not again. I don't have much time to deal with this ATM, but I'll see what I can do about it tonight. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 14:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That is the text she wrote. The original source was sacred texts - the phrase "this piece of cruelty" is I think the tell, but sacred texts is PD anyway.  From the closing sentences "She got a little power crazy. History shows that she was ruthless, but she believed that her actions would bring about needed change. She seemed to be a mix of good intentions without much rationale or sound judgment to be objective about it" just seem to be Neptune's opinion on the matter.  The girl isn't illiterate, she is quite capable of stringing sentences together. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * As someone with PDD-NOS myself, and remembering the way I was when I was young, if I hadn't got intervention I'd have ended up talking like James Joyce wrote; that's probably what's going on here, combined with a seemingly short attention span (which I was not cursed with as a child). I've tried to turn her on to research, to no discernible avail, which even then wouldn't be such a problem if her interests weren't so arcane.  This is another trait of mine, although mine is even worse (Ainu and Burmese/Karen history), so I don't necessarily mind reviewing her work, but I haven't yet gotten her to actually do work for me to review.  I'm trying to figure out what my next move is to deal with this, but input from those with more life experience than I (I'm just about to turn 21, I still have much to learn) is of course welcome. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 22:42, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The advantage you have is that you have some chance of understanding how she thinks. I like her - she's enthusiastic and has absolutely no 'side' - but to me it's like trying to deal with a Martian when I don't speak Martian. I really don't know what the next move should be. Perhaps cleaning up (I must have got half a dozen categories she's created deleted in the last 10 days) is all we can do. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 23:56, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You have no idea how many times I've heard variations of that analogy before, and it reminds me that the confusion isn't all mine :). Her talkpage of late looks like a repository for CfD notices, and it's not getting much better; if it was articles, I'd tell her to go through AfC, but as of now CFC still stands for chlorofluorocarbons, not Categories for Creation.  A restriction to editing existing articles and their talkpages and a ban similar to Levineps' on creating/adding categories might be effective; it sounds harsh, but I'm not sure what else to do short of a block (which I can't perform anyways, not being an admin). The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 00:14, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Has to be the very last chance. Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:29, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Guessing we just got her reply. Let's see how this pans out. Nymf hideliho! 20:02, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm concerned, that's an acknowledgment of her new restrictions; we'll see what happens from there. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 20:08, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This is her. Have to see what happens next. Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Response
Thanks for your message, i really appreciate good faith posts like that.

Yeah i specialize in modern and semi modern history (Primairily victorian times, and the first half of the 20th century and up to the Falklands war). Dont be fooled by my youth, my knowledge of history among other things is immense (I even write my own historical books, currently im writing a biography called from Hero to Traitor about Phillippe Petain) and ill be happy to dedicate myself to wikipedia when i can. Thanks for offering your help as well and seeing my potential because some people on here tend to look down on me because of my age, which isnt really fair and for a time i was Discouraged on here and was thinking of quitting. But hopefully ill be able to put all that behind me and move on since ive befriended some experienced members on here.

So you specialise in Japanese history? Yeah i think ive heard of the Ainu people; werent they native to japan and eastern russia?

Im also pretty good with Korean history (and japan for that matter paticulary the expansion of the japanese empire from 1910-1945) since i do Tae Kwon Do, which you probably already know but its basicailly a korean millitary martial art and i speak a bit of korean since we learn the commands like attention, counting and names of differnt moves; ecetera.

But anyway glad to meet you and i hope we can start off on freindly terms :) Goldblooded (talk) 11:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

ANI
Hi Blade - I've proposed something for the GNAA COI issue at ANI, Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Several GNAA members have voted, as have two neutral editors, and myself (involved, I suppose). I'm trying to get more neutral editors to comment on the proposal (a topic ban of sorts), and was wondering - seeing as you'd already commented - if you would oblige me? As far as canvassing goes, I'm only contacting neutral editors - no-one from the anti-GNNA crowd. The Cavalry (Message me) 22:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Please review deleting BalboaRV. I am trying to build an information base for a Motorhome built for only a few years in the late 60's and early 70's. I'm not promoting any company. BalboaRV (talk) 02:11, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Shadowing me?
I'm a little startled to be held up as a good example of how to handle COI. I am deeply flattered. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  12:44, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I remember seeing you request someone review an addition to an article about your competitor instead of reverting it yourself; that's what the GNAA people should be doing. It would have saved a lot of drama.  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 15:07, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

I want to run this by you
There was a real person called Dlasta that Xena:_Warrior_Princess character Velasca was based on. I have a source about the person right here: http://www.sacred-texts.com/wmn/ama/ama07.htm Can someone help me make an article on Dlasta please? Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 04:19, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Help desk my talkpage.  Replies in both places. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 13:18, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Despairing
. Tell me if I'm overreacting. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 00:22, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
You may need to get a Bugzilla account to comment. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Neptune's cats
G5 isn't correct. Empty them and then delete as C1 if it only has entries from Neptune --Elen of the Roads (talk) 17:24, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Wasn't 100% sure on those two; the other ones are obvious C1s. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 17:26, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Anything that might be contentious should go to Cfd. Note that the canadian television ones are what survived after I dobbed the lot in. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 17:29, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah; anything I'm not really 100% sure about I'll send through CfD. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 17:30, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Jason Giambi
I noticed you removed the steroids bit out of the opening paragraph in the Jason Giambi article. Thank you. I'm not sure how much weight my opinion carries, but it doesn't need to be there. It's covered in the Balco Scandal section, so thanks for doing the right thing! Kjscotte34 (talk) 22:47, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

message
Hey, i assume you read my reply to you.

But anyway i was just going to say; Could you elaborate why you deleted the flags on the WW2 veterans page? Because im still not entirely sure since they have them on the WW1 version and dont forget on the FLAGS section of wikipedia it mentions birth but not allegience. They were the flags they fought for not nessarially where they were born. Goldblooded (talk) 14:30, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

NAO
When commenting on WP:UAA, you don't have to use nao: it doesn't really matter. — <span style="font-family: Georgia, Garamond, serif;"> Waterfox ~talk~ 14:34, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's just a habit of mine, but I'm not greatly attached to it. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 15:22, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Response
Ok, i get what your saying but really this isnt a sporting event or the spanish civil war so you cant use that arguement and i think in this case it should be exempt, and by the way i think i actually added him to that list. But anywho why not just put nationality: american like it was previously?

And really i go on here on my DS sometimes to check things (i know its pretty sad ) and the flags are no problem at all, and that cant even play videos or anything like that.

I know its just a flag but it kind of brightened up the page and it was easier to sort them since you just recognise them out of the corner of your eye instead of reading the text which can be a strain and take a lot longer, paticulary if its a long list like the ww2 list.

Also with that sports case, you could just put a subheading nationality or country he plays for, a lot of players are foreign and play for other teams/countries. With due respect i still dont think it justifies its deletion, im not alone in that decision either. Goldblooded (talk) 17:10, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

But ultimately it was you who removed them so really we should discuss it here and now. Goldblooded (talk) 01:05, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed article creation trial
I'm contacting you because you participated in the proposal to require autoconfirmed status in order to create articles a few months ago; and particularly because you had some interesting ideas on how to implement the trial. I have set up a discussion page for various aspects of implementing the trial at WP:ACTRIAL. Please feel free to join the discussion if you are interested. I am not initially contacting a large number of users (in an attempt to keep the discussions contained and manageable), but feel free to invite any other users who might be helpful. Thanks. <b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 0.4em,#00a -0.2em -0.2em 0.4em,#5a0 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;color:#ddd">&mdash;SW&mdash;</b> comment 00:15, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
I cannot catch them all (chuckle).  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:37, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No big deal; if we're going to point new users to it, though, maybe we should have misspellings and abused/missing punctuation. That seems to be what a lot of internet types like. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 00:40, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Question
I have observed some pretty remarkable contributions from this account. I am curious, why are you not an administrator. Pardon that you have struck me as the kind of editor who could be a good one, and that you seem qualified by a cursory review. I am working on an essay, and I believe you are of the adman class. I'd like to see you become an admin. This essay might explain, but you are exactly the kind of editor I had in mind. My76Strat (talk) 06:52, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I've been thinking about it. Basically, it's two things; 1. I want to get WP:ACTRIAL up and running, which is time-consuming enough, and 2. before I try, I want to write/overhaul Padoh Mahn Sha Lah Phan, which is proving to be extremely difficult to find sources on.  However, come back to me in a few months and I might just have to stand.  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 21:41, 30 August 2011 (UTC) Just got power back from Hurricane Irene- it's nice to be back in business.
 * Thanks for that reply, I am glad your power is restored. I'll be around, and pulling for you. My76Strat (talk) 22:22, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll second that notion. You'd be a good 'un. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  12:58, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 17:44, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
 Ron h jones (Talk) 19:11, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Nsc atl
Sorry I didn't have the time to get to reviewing it (I had seen it), since I'm a little busy with Hurricane Irene (your approach to your wikitime becomes different when a current event is all around you and where you live). It seems someone else already took care of it. Daniel Case (talk) 05:11, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem; I myself was out for a couple of days, as my editing history will show. Totally understandable. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 13:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

RfA Reform update
Hi. It's been a little while since the last message on RfA reform, and there's been a fair amount of slow but steady progress. However, there is currently a flurry of activity due to some conversations on Jimbo's talk page.

I think we're very close to putting an idea or two forward before the community and there are at least two newer ones in the pipeline. So if you have a moment:
 * Have a look at the min requirement proposal and familiarise yourself with the statistics, I'd appreciate comment on where we should put the bar.
 * Any final comments would be appreciated on the clerks proposal.
 * Feedback on the two newer proposals - Pre-RfA & RfA reform 2011/Sysop on request. Both are more radical reforms of RfA and might run along side the current system.

Thanks for reading and for any comments that you've now made.

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of RfA reform 2011 at 21:42, 6 September 2011 (UTC).

Arbitration
You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Arbitration/Requests and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—
 * Arbitration/Requests;
 * Arbitration guide.

Thanks,OpenInfoForAll (talk) 22:39, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Flags
This is beginning to become rather annoying. I know we've aleady made up but lets get one thing clear,

Lets disect your arguement.

It's an offshoot of a problem that was most evident in human and animal longevity articles. The most relevant sections are here and here. One issue with using flags is that they can be misleading. For example, read the sentence, "Hideki Matsui is a baseball player in the United States"; true, but Matsui is and considers himself Japanese. Yes but you could of added a title saying nationality instead of resdience or the team he plays for, I saw a simular thing in the England world cup squad and it stated their nationality not nessarially that they are all English or indeed play for England. He only plays in the US because we have better baseball, he doesn't refer to himself as an American; sticking an American flag next to his name could lead people to think that he now considers himself to be an American. Similar things can happen with war veterans; Ernest Hemingway fought in the Spanish Civil War with Spanish forces, but was himself American.'''Same case scenario, put nationality or allegience. As you well know many nationalities fought in different sides in the spanish civil war.''' The other issue, which is far more pointed in longevity articles but still an issue here, is that nationality isn't always important. In the case of (just for fun) the war between the Red and White armies in the USSR, it doesn't really matter whether the White Army soldier was British, Russian, or American, it's more important to emphasize that the soldier fought for the Mensheviks. Well i havent seen a list of the soldiers who fought in the revolution/rcw but even still thats a different matter unlike surviivng veterans of ww2 or the spanish civil war A final small point that's worth noting is that flag icons take up a considerable amount of bandwidth because they're transcluded onto pages; the List of living supercentenarians article, before all the flag icons were removed, took my computer a lot longer to load than it does now. Even though we aren't usually supposed to worry about performance, one of the exceptions is if you notice a change, and you can confirm that it's something specific causing it.'''So just because your computer doesnt work you have to make it harder for everyone else? That isnt a valid point either, besides i go on here on my DS sometimes and ive had no trouble and that cant even lsiten to music or watch videos etc.''' I hope that helps.

Besides even your FLAGBIO arguement is flawed because it even said that....

Flag icons may be relevant in some subject areas, where the subject actually represents that country, government, or nationality

Despite all this; on a minor point, i seem to be the only person actually bothering to edit any of these articles (in paticular the ww2 vets list where since your edit virtualy NOONE has added to it , and its easier to sort; paticulary if the list is relatively long , such as that one.

Goldblooded (talk) 10:39, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello
I've just started my editing work @wikipedia.It's really great, isn't it? - 	Please visit my talk page:-)Hope you please post some comments!Dipankan001 (talk) 09:34, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Need Help!!
Thanks for posting your comments.I am Really very sorry for mistakenly putting my comments in your User Page,please don't mind.I need some help. Can you please tell me how to insert a picture in a Wikipedia article? Please note that I'm a Auto-confirmed user. Hope you reply to this soon!Dipankan001 (talk) 08:52, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Administrator
Can you kindly tell me how to become a administrator? How many edits do we need to become so?? Do we have to apply for it to a administrator? Please help me as I'm a little bit confused in this topic! Dipankan001 (talk) 06:50, 17 September 2011 (UTC)