User talk:The Bushranger/Archive31

Recently closed ANI
I discovered this morning that this ANI had been unexpectedly closed. Reading through it again, I see that at no time did you identify yourself as an admin - as far as I knew you were just another contributor to the discussion - and at no time did you state that you planned to close the discussion imminently, nor did you make clear that you were waiting for for me to respond. Of course I didn't respond - how would I know I needed to? Colonies Chris (talk) 09:59, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I did in fact state that I was an admin; perhaps I should have been clearer than in an edit summary ("Admin hat on"), but I assumed that was something along the lines of WP:BLUE (and I don't belive that I have ever seen someone "identify themselves as an admin" in a discussion in the manner suggested). Furthermore, a notice of intent to close is not necessary; and you know you need to respond by people posting in the thread. I'm sorry it didn't end in the way that you might have desired, but there was a very clear community consensus. - The Bushranger One ping only 10:05, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * This is outrageous. So you think the fact that you are an admin is as obvious as the fact that the sky is blue? Sorry, but I haven't memorised the list of admins - or are you just so important that I ought to know who you are without being told? Why would I be looking at the edit summary on a comment of yours? I just read the actual comment. And I have replied to several comments on that thread, and would have responded to you if your intention had been made clear - at no time did you make clear what you were proposing, nor on what timescale. Don't hide behind 'legal' quibbling - "a notice of intent to close is not necessary". Well maybe there's nothing in the rules to say that, but it's commmon decency and fairness to make clear your role, your conclusions and intentions, and allow time for a response. Colonies Chris (talk) 16:54, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not that important, and I don't think that; I assumed that in a series of postings on the Admin's noticeboard you would likely have noticed that I had been acting in an admin capacity elsewhere, I was mistaken, and I apologise for that. However, I assumed that you would be monitoring an AN/I thread about yourself, and waited 48 hours to give a chance to respond, when I could have immedately closed it at the time of my initial posting - there was no obligation, with a clear consensus, to allow it to continue at that point. When closing an ANI discussion there is no requirement to "allow time for a response" - I did so as a courtesy, again assuming that you were actively monitoring an ANI thread about your behavior. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:06, 10 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Chris, this is far from the first time your use of AWB has been called into question. We all appreciate your gnome edits, but once you step into changing links and being called out for those changes being "controversial", you need to (a) stop and (b) respond at the ANI thread before continuing.  You can still use the semi-automated tool to make minor changes, gnome edits etc, but just not those which have cause such disharmony.  That's a good thing.  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:10, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * To be fair to Chris, he did, however before the thread was closed he seems to have stopped monitoring it, hence this kerfuffle. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:14, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this - however, being fair to me is something The Rambling Man isn't capable of. His repeated unpleasant fault finding and general sniping is why I felt it necessary to ban him from my talk page. Even in this dispute he was badmouthing me behind my back. Everything he has brought to this discussion should be examined in the light of his longstanding personal hostility to me. My point is that I was monitoring the discussion, but I don't respond to every comment; if I had known this was a formal conclusion/proposal for action being made by the responsible admin, I would have responded. Colonies Chris (talk) 12:42, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Far from it being personal, it is utterly 100% professional. Your repeated controversial edits need to stop, that's been the case for a long time now, and now that's been enforced.  And that's a good thing.  My advice to the other editor which you linked to was spot on, and it turns out that we did indeed need a formal discussion to bring home to you that you can no longer continue to edit in the way you have been previously. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:59, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for supporting my argument so well by your response. That sort of ugly gloating tone perfectly illustrates why I banned you and why you are unfit to be an admin. Colonies Chris (talk) 10:11, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Well we all know by now how long drama can perpetuate at the dramaz-boardz, so Chris should have kept abreast of this until closure. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:17, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

For the record...
...the thread at ANI has nothing to do with infoboxes, but everything to do with a known antagonist flirting within the boundaries of WP:CLOSE, which is disruptive. Still, never let a small matter like "the truth" get in the way of stirring the pot.  Cassianto Talk  21:46, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * It wasn't stirring the pot, it was just an observation that the underlying root discussion is something I literally can't comprehend. Apologise if it came across otherwise. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:59, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * It was a flawed observation. The sceptic in me would say that it was designed to shift the emphasis onto another subject rather than answer the real reason why the thread was started, but I'll AGF. I see another troublemaker has rocked up and is enabling the behaviour on Grant's talk page, so I've removed the article from my watchlist. You lot can butt heads if you wish, but I have better things to do with my time, quite frankly.   Cassianto Talk  00:03, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Merge/AfD ?s
I noticed your entry here and am curious "about their sending to AfD a page they had merged content from, and how you don't do that". Could you elaborate please? Maybe expand a bit on the circumstances and related WP:P&G. The passage caught my eye and struck me as a learning opportunity. ––A Fellow Editor– 19:53, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Basically, once you merge content from a page to another page? The original page has to remain, at least as a redirect, to preseve the attribution history of the people who contributed to the merged content, as required under Wikipedia's licensing. Technically, if the original page is deleted, it makes the merged content sort-of-kind-of-technically a copyright violation, or at least something mightily frowned at. So a page that has been merged can't be deleted. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:31, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. The 'article' goes away but the 'page' remains. Thanks, ––A Fellow Editor– 00:14, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Exactly, the history remains visible 'behind' the redirect. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:16, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:K class ferry
Template:K class ferry has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Frietjes (talk) 16:24, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

IP edit warring on Boeing 737 MAX
BR, could you look into semi-protection for Boeing 737 MAX for a few days? A dynamic IP has been edit warring against consensus. Although they are using the talk page, their idea of "discussion" is to justify their reverts and then revert again, along with some juvenile parroting of Marc's comments/advice. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 21:25, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Given the debate on that, I've decided to full protect it for three days, so everything can be hashed out on the talk page, and hopefully the IP can be educated about WP:OR. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:10, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks somehow, Bushranger. What do you mean with WP:OR? I did not present any, but see this specific aviationweek-article as opinion or rough calculation, as any details are missing including if the base was the old or new A321neo cabin. See talk.
 * @Bilcat: "juvenile parroting": I was mirroring arrogant talk and comments, including yours. Can you see that your words can be seen as deprecative and again - as it again fits - mirroring you as juvenile?
 * @Bushranger: Sorry for the Bilcat comment on your talk page, i did not start this aggression, but i do not like to be called like that. Peace? 87.150.114.89 (talk) 00:41, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The article talk page is the place to discuss the validity of sources. The "no scientific analysis conducted" comment was my specific reference to OR. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:42, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Again: "Wikipedia articles must not contain original research." Thats what i am talking about. But a single source which disputes a lot of others, should provide the slightest details to be reliable. And if it fits to this aircraft. 87.150.114.89 (talk) 01:00, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Please discuss this at Talk:Boeing 737 MAX. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:01, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit on Samuel fields
Did i make a mistake while i was undoing a edit? Thegooduser  talk  02:54, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * No, you didn't; this edit was the dubious one, and since there had been edits since then a simple undo wouldn't work, so I just selected the last revision prior to that that hadn't had to have been reverted for one reason or another. Yours was still good. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:57, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * you should check the article right now, someone changed the first sentence. I think they vandalized it ... Thegooduser   talk  03:00, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * In fact, they did, and they're now gone. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:07, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion
In the future, wikilink your "thataway" arrows to this and suggest they take it; in the spirit of Yogi of course. Atsme 📞📧 15:26, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * It's either that or "the road less traveled by"! - The Bushranger One ping only 22:15, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Comcast
Looks like it's time for semi-protection on Comcast."Little brother" created "his own" account, and lots of IP vandalism preceded these edits. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 02:42, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Sometimes they're not even trying. SPP for 14. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:47, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * It has moved to AT&T - see here. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 03:30, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * If I could figure out exactly what these folks think doing these things solve, I could buy a lot of coffee. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:38, 17 December 2017 (UTC)


 * They are Snowflakes - they think Net Neutrality means free internet streaming, and that the FCC just took that away from them. Therefore Ajit Pai is a Nazi, and any ISP is a Nazi. To them, the internet is the whole world, so anyone who appears to threaten it is a threat to them, and any protest on the internet is a protest to the whole world. Beyond all that, which I assume you knew, I haven't a clue! BTW, wasn't a big tenet of Fascism government control of the private sector? Yet they think Fascism means not contollling the private sector. Very Strange Ideas. - BilCat (talk) 05:37, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Exactly - hence my wondering what they hope to achieve! I suppose it's the same principle as hashtag activism. "I'm Doing Something!" - The Bushranger One ping only 05:39, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

permission active for create article
hello, iam a new user in Wikipedia  i want to created  an about  an new show the show will aired  from  ZEE TV show name : Aapke Aa Jaane Se please  sir invited  me on Teahouse because i want to create this thank You.
 * You don't need permission to create articles. As long as you have made a small number of edits, enough for us to be sure you're not some sort of bot, you're allowed to do so, provided that your article's content is verifiable through reliable sources and is written neutrally on a notable subject. Good luck! - The Bushranger One ping only 22:16, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * He can't create articles because he's a banned sock. Crow  Caw  00:34, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * People should remember that this is the time of year where socks go on the mantle, not Wikipedia. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:40, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

MTA Bus Recent protection
Is there a way to instead of completely protecting the MTA site to semi protect because the Edit war was with an unknown user without a talk page. Other registered users have had a problem with it. So can you, being an admin, revert it back to my version. Olsen24 (talk) 23:24, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * No, because over the last few days you and other editors have been furiously reverting each other, and your conduct has been the subject of multiple threads at AN/I that you have been notified of but, as far as I can tell, never reacted to. All of you are going to have to WP:DISCUSS with other editors to gain WP:CONSENSUS on the content dispute at the article talk page; meanwhile the page is going to have to remain at WP:THEWRONGVERSION. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:28, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Some of those disputes to my knowledge have been resolved with the use of user talk pages, which this being an ip, doesn't have a user talk page to utilize. with that being said, other users have reverted this edit as well as me, just not as much and as rapidly. Also some of the stuff i was reverting was outright false and needed to be removed and/or changed. Olsen24 (talk) 23:31, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

The years are flying by....

 * Thank you! And Merry Christmas to you as well. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:36, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Canadian ships
As you will have seen from looking at the page history before making the move, there is no consensus for the title you have chosen. Please revert yourself. If you still want to make a move then propose it in the proper way and seek to gain consensus. DuncanHill (talk) 22:55, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * There is also no consensus for the page at its current title which is the only article in its parent cat to use the awkward format it was at. However, if you insist. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:57, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes I do. You ignored clear evidence that the title you prefer was disputed. And there's nothing awkward about the title as it was. Read WP:EngVar too while you're at it. DuncanHill (talk) 23:01, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm well aware of ENGVAR; I'm also aware of World War II not Second World War. Either way though, this should be at RM, you're right, so I'm working on that. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:02, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Can you fix the talk page too? You've left it as a redirect to itself. DuncanHill (talk) 23:04, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was just scratching my head trying to figure out how on earth that happened, since I moved the page (from the original typo'd move, whoops) to its proper title, and it redirected itself. I think it's all good now though. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:06, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 01:15, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Food irradiation Guy
Thank you for responding (the admin Incidents talk page is now blocked to me as well so I can't discuss there), this is the first time anyone responded to what I said. Everything you said is correct, but you have a few of the facts wrong on this case.
 * More than one party was against the changes, only one party was for the changes (Guy).
 * Guy was not telling the truth when he said RSN had unambiguous consensus (although that might be just a rose colored glasses thing).
 * He omitted the full nature of his change, and that the content was actually cited by a credible source (other than organic consumers) when he explained his case at RSN
 * He started an edit war with two different parties
 * He failed to assume good faith when he assumed i was neo freedom
 * He failed to assume good faith when he called me a nut job
 * he failed to assume good faith when he reverted the content without reading any of the comments on the talk page.

On another note content is indeed deleted and deleted by different people, but each time it is because of specific reasons that don't have to do with the encyclopedic content or completeness of the article. When this happens on articles i help with (we are down to 3 articles) i do my best to correct if it can be corrected (if someone has not already done it already). For instance someone will delete something for a lack of citation, so I will find a good one if it exists, often times a proper citation will be found existing in the article as some changes orphen lines of text. These people often edit hundreds of articles a day looking for a common theme or policy, because of the breadth of there changes they don't have time to do a good job and fix things, instead they just delete.

In over 10 years I have only gotten involved in 3 edit wars. One was in the beginning when i was learning, but 2 have been in the last 3 months, and I am less active than ever. Later it was found that the second one was a sock puppet for a known vandal who had me reported to the Incidents board. The other was this one, where i started my editing with every courtesy, following every policy and ended up being abused mischaracterized or ignored at every turn (except by Red Rock Canyon who changed his mind after me informing him and built the consensus). I probably will give up editing soon. Hopefully someone can take over these articles.

One last note. If you notice how often Guy brings people onto the Incidents page one might think that his approach might be just a little off. We can only judge people by what they do. 2602:304:415C:56C9:9114:F9E0:AF84:43F5 (talk) 19:49, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Free Congress Foundation
Is this article supposed to be deleted from Articles for deletion/Free Congress Foundation? It still exists? - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikolaiho (talk • contribs) 03:30, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * It was WP:REFUNDed - see here. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:32, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

User continuing to cast aspersions
Hello

I have a complaint about someone I believe I need to talk to you about it first, as the acting admin.

Please allow me to refresh your memory first. In WP:ANI, one committed the act of casting aspersions (revision 816027144), by leveling inappropriate canvassing accusations, with his evidence being just another person who had cast the same aspersions and got blocked for it! Your reaction was that he should apologize. (Revision 816045217.) He seemingly did. (Revision 816151631.) And yet, 4 hours later, he is repeating the same, via the phrase "partners in crime". (revision 816187327.)

I am not unfamiliar with such aspersions. Back in 2014, a User: accused me of having engaged in meatpuppetry in a discussion in which I was not even present. That, however, doesn't mean these aspersions are not dangerous or don't hurt. I've even written a satirical piece of this recently-widespread phenomenon.

My question is: What must I do about it? I can't go to ANI, becaue ANI itself is involved. Or can I?

Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 06:25, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * This is something that should be addressed at ANI, under the relevant thread. "ANI itself" isn't involved; it's related, but the board itself is not. If this is related to the canvassing accuation, it should be addressed there. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:27, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Should I open a whole new report, or just a subtopic? —Codename Lisa (talk) 06:28, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Probably a subtopic, so it doesn't get disconnected from the original issue, I'd say. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:29, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Or... I do nothing and let the editors cool down. Hmm... Maybe not playing the game of "block the opposing editor" is the mature thing to do. And what's the worst thing that could happen? They change one "See also" link! Well... Am I being an idiot now?
 * Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 11:40, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Sometimes, it really is best to go, have a pint (or a cup of tea), and wait for everything to blow over. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:53, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

StuRat
The topic ban is offensive. It was driven by scapegoating. It should be rescinded NOW. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:28, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Then you should start a new section at AN about it, after asking yourself if it's going to get anywhere and, if not, if it's really the hill you want to die on. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:31, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You'd probably box it up just like you did at ANI. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:35, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Um, no? Bugs, that was primarily so, with the issue that was the actual incident resolved, you wouldn't dig yourself a hole. If you want to start a discussion at the appropriate venue for discussing a topic ban repeal, that's your decision to make and not mine, even if I consider it unwise considering the result of the original discussion. I have no opinion on the validity of the ban, not having been there for the situation that spawned it, and I like your style and don't want to see you get yourself kicked off the encyclopedia. But if this is an issue you feel strongly enough to be Worth It, then more power to you. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:37, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I have often seen discussions get cut off (by a variety of users, not you in particular) when a subject takes a turn that they don't want to get into. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:42, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

User group for Military Historians
Greetings,

"Military history" is one of the most important subjects when speak of sum of all human knowledge. To support contributors interested in the area over various language Wikipedias, we intend to form a user group. It also provides a platform to share the best practices between military historians, and various military related projects on Wikipedias. An initial discussion was has been done between the coordinators and members of WikiProject Military History on English Wikipedia. Now this discussion has been taken to Meta-Wiki. Contributors intrested in the area of military history are requested to share their feedback and give suggestions at Talk:Discussion to incubate a user group for Wikipedia Military Historians.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:30, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

 * Thank you very much! - The Bushranger One ping only 20:09, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Naval Aircraft Modification Unit KDN Gorgon
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Potential edit warring
BR, would you mind monitoring Talk:The Final Countdown (film)? The reasons should be self-explanatory. Also, if you have any assistance from guidelines regarding Wikipedia's "scholarly aspersions", that might be useful to. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 07:37, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. - The Bushranger One ping only 08:12, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Chad Finchum
Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Seasons' Greetings
...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:37, 24 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you, and Merry Christmas! - The Bushranger One ping only 22:08, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

 * Thank you, and a very Merry Christmas to you as well! - The Bushranger One ping only 22:46, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Egyptian Folklore
I have replied to your message on the Arab dance talk page, kindly sir see the message and sources.

Thank you and happy holidays. Marina Towadros (talk) 06:06, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

MTA Regional Bus Operations bus fleet
Your protection on MTA Regional Bus Operations bus fleet has expired, there has not been any discussion on the talk page, and the user in question (Olsen24) has once again begun editing the page while being dormant during the protection period. What do you want to do here? Block or take it back to ANI? – Train2104 (t • c) 03:37, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Assuming my ping at the article talk page doesn't get him to engage, I'd say try once more at ANI - the fact that he sat out without discussion and then all but immediately resumed his previous activity upon the expiry of the protection looks a lot like disrupting Wikipedia to make a point, but IMHO it'd be preferable to have another admin take a look (if none do, though, I'll keep an eye on it). - The Bushranger One ping only 03:40, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I see that #3563 was modified to run solely on diesel. EEng</b> 09:58, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Right, that tears it. I'm going to drop a note directly on his talk page, and if he doesn't change his behavior on that, blocks fall. - The Bushranger One ping only 10:19, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Swathe?
<b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 09:56, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * ...well, I won't have to buy a vowel next time, since I have a spare e laying about. (thanks). - The Bushranger One ping only 10:15, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

mail
If you are still about, I would like to send you an email. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 09:16, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I generally prefer to handle things here, but if you need to, shoot. Can't guarantee I'll get to it tonight though. - The Bushranger One ping only 09:22, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, this is special. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 09:28, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Quite. Forwarded appropriately. - The Bushranger One ping only 09:35, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh something juicy? Not knowing just kills the curious BilCat! - BilCat (talk) 09:41, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Well either the most melodramatic of trolls, or...not. - The Bushranger One ping only 10:00, 27 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Inquiring minds need to know, and all that. :) - BilCat (talk) 10:53, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Undiscussed page moves
BR, can look at User:100% Reporter's move history? He just moved Leonardo S.p.A. to Leonardo (company). While probably the right move, his vague explanation ("As the rules of Wikipedia") leaves me unsure that he really understands WP move policies and guidelines. He has some other odd and questionable moves in his history, all undiscussed, that leave me doubting. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 09:38, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Mm, I think he's "Just Right Enough" that there isn't anything reportable, but he probably needs to be watched. Also, that most recent one is actually the one he's most wrong about, per WP:NATURAL and WP:NCCORP! - The Bushranger One ping only 10:02, 27 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Well, I thought he might have had a point with Leonardo, given that the company's official website is at http://www.leonardocompany.com, not the apparently cyber-sqatted http://www.leonardospa.com! - BilCat (talk) 10:38, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hm. Possible, but that should probably be hashed out through WP:RM, at the very least. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:34, 27 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree. - BilCat (talk) 22:40, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Could you keep an eye on...
This? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 15:52, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll glance there from time to time. (I'm actually a little surprised it's tagged for AmEng, given who "invented" the aircraft carrier. ) - The Bushranger One ping only 20:36, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Olsen24
Olsen24 is now modifying my messages on the article's talk page to serve their aims (i.e, using their inferior-quality pictures in the article); see their first change and them repeating the edit after my revert. This is deceptive and clearly not being done in good faith. Time for a block yet? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:00, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * ...well, he's communicating, but this is an entirely new thing. This I'm willing to chalk up to misunderstanding, but I'm going to give a Sternly Worded Letter about talk page modification. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:04, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

A DUCK on WP:DUCK!
See this edit on WP:DUCK by a probable sock of Hoggardhigh. I wonder if he's doing it on purpose, or is just oblivious. I guess we'll never know. Btw, there's an existing SPI report on several IP on the SPI page, so I'm not sure how to use Twinkle to add to it, or if I should add a new report after the existing one. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 22:57, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * That's just quacking me up. As for the SPI, after the IPs listed, you can just add a new line with * . - The Bushranger One ping only 23:33, 27 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, Oh Mallard. And thanks. Someone else has added it now, and it looks like we'll get a Check-User too. - BilCat (talk) 00:44, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Merge close
BR, as you're uninvolved, could you look at closing the long-running Talk:Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 05:47, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * That one has been there awhile. Consider it done. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:52, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I think the T-100 was already a dark horse in the race. Now, its Russian roots make it a liability the current administration can probably do without, even though Russia probably gets nothing from it. Just the connection is liability enough. - BilCat (talk) 07:23, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * And that's even leaving aside the bipartisan efforts of the Senators from Boeing! - The Bushranger One ping only 07:26, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Yup. I'm sure there's a "Swedish dossier" being produced even now somewhere in Marietta in case that happens. :) (Just kidding LM.) - BilCat (talk) 07:38, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Raxola
I just updated the FR wiki entry for this Belgian rock group (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raxola), which came back to life last year after a long hiatus. I notice that you deleted the EN entry way back in 2013, so I thought I'd check with you before re-creating the EN page. I haven't seen the deleted page, but there is enough out there to create a credible bio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Writie (talk • contribs) 15:06, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking in. As long as there's enough reliable sourcing to establish that they're notable, there shouldn't be a problem. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:53, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Phil M again
BR, can you semi-protect Boeing YB-40 Flying Fortress? Several IP socks of User:Philm540 have been editing for several days now. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 00:35, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Now that's a blast from the past...done. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:41, 29 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Yup. Thanks again. - BilCat (talk) 00:57, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

General Electric
BR, can you look at semi-protection for General Electric? A somewhat-dynamic IP has repeatedly removing maintenance templates without explanation for about a week. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 01:18, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Considering that since the 23rd they've been on a stable IPv6 and were past 4 warnings, I think blocking the IP and seeing what happens might be better. If they IP-hop and keep going, ping me and I'll protect then. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:21, 29 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I think I misrembered about the dynamic part. We'll see what happens next. - BilCat (talk)

Win-911 Software
Hi BR, I saw WIN-911_Software was slated for deletion due to lack of reliable sourcing and notability. Was in the process of updating the sourcing and content about the company's notability when the page was deleted. Wanted to check with you before re-creating the page. Thanks, - Techzette (talk) 19:08, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I've restored the article to a sandbox in your userspace at User:Techzette/WIN-911 Software, so you can work on it at your leisure to improve it. Good luck! - The Bushranger One ping only 20:08, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks BR. I made the updates and improvements and moved the page back to its original space. Maybe this was the incorrect thing to do? It appears to have been pulled down. Any chance you can check on this - what can I improve to help keep the page online. Techzette (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:10, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * What you need to do is to improve it in your userspace, then, instead of simply moving it back, go to WP:DRV and propose the restoration of the page to an improved version, so it can be established by the community that it satisfies WP:N and WP:RS before going back into articlespace. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:27, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions
Thanks for link me to this. I'll keep it stored for future AFDs. --Molestash (talk) 22:08, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. It's a very useful thing, even if it can be somewhat depressing when you realise you can use it to play AfD Bingo. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:15, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Woodlawn Cemetery (Fort Lauderdale)
By merging the articles, you made it impossible for it to be in any African-American category. That’s not right. deisenbe (talk) 00:34, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, redirects can be categorised; it's still in all of the categories placed on it. That said, I merged it because I was uncertain if it would survive being challenged on notability; however, it appears that NRHP listing automatically confers notability, so I'm going to unmerge it. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:39, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you!
Hi Bushranger! I've been a user for coming on two years now, but I had never had a DYK nomination be pushed for one of my pages. I just wanted to say thanks for that nomination on Chad Finchum as well as for protecting Mike Senica, statistically the performance just isn't there and getting parked for being too slow is in no way "impressive". It's nice to have a fearless protector of the NASCAR community who will stand up to IP vandals! (P. S. If you haven't read Senica's Racing Reference comments it's a great pendulum from hate to love and back...) So yeah, just wanted to tell you that you're great. Willsome429 (talk) 02:56, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you! It's good to have people who are writing about the topic. And I've been watching Senica's page since back when it was first (prooooobably COI-)created, it's been 'interesting' to follow the pattern of throwaway accounts and IPs there... - The Bushranger One ping only 03:25, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yep, the page flow was terrible before I changed it to something sensible. On the topic of NASCAR, I’m starting to transition to Simple English Wikipedia, where David Pearson doesn’t have a page. Willsome429 (talk) 16:00, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, I think that sounds like a Worthy Endeavor. The Silver Fox deserves to be known! - The Bushranger One ping only 20:50, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Arab Dance and Belly Dance pages
Hello Admin, The Bushranger;

Thanks a lot for your help Sir and for informing me that when a new page is created with many accurate data lacking we should fix it rather than asking for page deletion. I took your advice sir in the Talk Page and started putting information with every reliable source.

Then Suddenly the creator (User:Sarah Canbel) stopped and at same time right after the Talk Page discussion (User:Swazzo) started reverting every single edit with no respect to discussion made then posted on my wall an 'Edit War threat' though he was the one systematically removing sourced information since 3 days, not me. Whenever i add a source and information, he kept removing them, as if editing is not allowed and one of his edits said that page should be like User:SarahCanbel edits only?.

Also on the page of Belly dance when i then put the historical name of Egyptian Dance in the page, sourcing it with a very reliable source as the Independent he kept removing the source and name. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia where everything should be accurate, the name is literally used as a Dancing Course in endless schools worldwide, students go and register for Egyptian Belly Dance.

Thank You again and your advises will be much appreciated. Marina Towadros (talk) 19:49, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm glad that I was able to help. The thing to do in those cases, is to go to the talk page and lay out your concerns; the golden rule is, whenever possible in those cases, even though it's horrendously frustrating, to 'focus on content, not contributors'; lay out the edits you wish to make, with the sources that back them, and let a discussion take place to form consensus for their inclusion, based on the policies of neutrality, verifiability, balance, and not being considered a fringe view. Once this is done, if the proposed changes gain consensus, that's all good; otherwise, the next step, if you're unsatisfied with the result, would be dispute resolution. Unfortunatly there's a lot to learn with editing Wikipedia, and sometimes the wiki-jargon can come across as obtuse or even combative to a newcomer, but if you calmly lay out a case that is backed with verifiable facts, you can make a difference and a good mark here. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:45, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Spamuser
Hi. In view of this edit, you  may  wish  to upgrade the block  to  a username/spam block. However, it's your call. In the meantime I  will  delete the user page as spam. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:41, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Not a problem; I actually meant to zap that myself but got distracted. As for the block, I decided to go a little softer, since it wasn't actually "Buy Our Stuff Now Here's What I Got" for once. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:46, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Heh. If you're referring to AN, I decided that probably wasn't productive and redacted it, as I can get downright maudlin late at night...but thanks anyway, and a very Happy New Year to you too! - The Bushranger One ping only 09:52, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Ironically, here it's still only 10 AM, and I just finished a night-shift :) so I was probably in a perfect position to appreciate it!    >SerialNumber  54129 ...speculates 09:57, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

HMRS
Hallo, Thanks for your help with Historical Model Railway Society. Although they include the 1950 in their logo their "History" section is pretty feeble and doesn't offer any details, so it's great to find someone who has book sources. Yesterday was one of those editing sessions which started when husband commented that he'd got "C. Hamilton Ellis"'s book listed under "H" not "E" in his list of "railway books to perhaps buy some day" (at which I sneaked a look before ordering that one for Christmas for him, from AbeBooks), though the cover said plain "Hamilton Ellis". It became clear that the hyphenated name at which the article was created was wrong, and I moved the article and added umpteen redirects from variations. I found his obituary in The Times (after a shorter death notice which produced a nickname), which mentioned the HMRS - so I created a redlink for it ... and couldn't resist digging around to find enough info to turn it blue. Thus another afternoon goes down the sink of Wikipedia editing - fun, though! Wishing you a Happy New Year, and a year of interesting editing. Pam D  10:26, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I know that feeling very well, I've lost count of the times I've gone "hm, this looks interesting-" and the next thing I know I've banged out 2000 words on an aircraft or rocket. I'm glad I was able to help! Happy New Year. - The Bushranger One ping only 11:02, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

December 2017 Military History Writers' Contest

 * Thank you! - The Bushranger One ping only 08:42, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Talk pages and forum
BR, could you look at this and preceding diffs on Talk:Netflix. I'd removed them before, but they came back again. I just wanted to make sure I'm not overreacting. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 09:17, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That pretty much says WP:NOTFORUM to me, yeah. - The Bushranger One ping only 09:21, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
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 The Bushranger , Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! North America1000 13:29, 1 January 2018 (UTC)


 * – Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year}} to user talk pages.
 * Thank you, and a very Happy New Year to you too! - The Bushranger One ping only 20:16, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

AFD
can you explain what you said about speedy close and redirect at the AFD? I mean, doesn't the AFD and a redirect do the same thing? Elektricity (talk) 05:20, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * AfD is articles for Deletion, and you specifically said you wanted the article deleted after having merged it. Mergers would be discussed at WP:PM, and if content has been merged to another article (either through Proposed Mergers or boldly done) from the article in question, it must be maintained as a redirect in order to preserve the contribution history and attribution as is required by Wikipedia's licensing. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:57, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Radioplane OQ-17
Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Northrop Grumman
BR, could you look at semi-protection for Northrop Grumman for a day or two? It's apparently the target of hoaxish vandalism, per Prof.Dr.Habib Maulana Sidiq and Habib Maulana Sidiq. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 08:06, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Zapped it for a day. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:58, 2 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 02:46, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

October to December 2017 Milhist article reviewing

 * Thank you! - The Bushranger One ping only 09:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Soft deletion
Good evening! I noticed in a couple AFDs that rather than relist them, you could have closed as a soft delete. Basically like an uncontested PROD. Unless perhaps you knew that and caught something I didn't, in which case I apologize. Best wishes. Killiondude (talk) 05:45, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem, that's just me being a grumpy tired old grognard and forgetting that consensus changed over the last few years while my editing was spotty in the "no discussion closure" department! Once such a closure would have been grounds for a minnow, and I keep working in that regard out of sheer habit (like the one stretch of road that went from a limit of 35 to 45 a few years back, and yet I still find myself halfway through it sometimes before remembering!). - The Bushranger One ping only 06:10, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Would like your input in a discussion
Hi,

I would appreciate it if you could give your input regarding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_naval_ship_classes_in_service#Split_this_article_into_multiple_articles Thanks in advance Dragnadh (talk) 01:57, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:01, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Panoz Avezzano
Mifter (talk) 00:02, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for KA2N Gorgon IIA
Mifter (talk) 00:03, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for CTV-N-2 Gorgon IIC
Mifter (talk) 00:03, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLI, January 2018
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 13:15, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Caproni Ca.4
BR, could you move-protect Caproni Ca.4? Pete's doing his own thing again. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 15:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Move-protected for a week. Sometimes I have to wonder... - The Bushranger One ping only 22:13, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Facebook Aquila
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Since you've already commented...
...it's not canvassing to ask if you saw this comment. Hilarious! :) - BilCat (talk) 01:23, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue! - The Bushranger One ping only 01:28, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Type 055 cruiser vs. destroyer
I'm not sure whether there is sufficient evidence to rename the article. Could you comment on the talk page? Thanks. - RovingPersonalityConstruct (talk, contribs) 00:17, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Replied there. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:48, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Muroc Maru
Gatoclass (talk) 00:04, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! The muse kicked me in the behind last month and whispered "psst, go fill those redlinks in the missile-designation templates", and who was I to argue? - The Bushranger One ping only 01:40, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

National Championship POV vandalism
BR, could you consider semi-protection for College Football Playoff and 2018 College Football Playoff National Championship? Obviously this is controversial, but the articles cover the UCF claims already, and any changes to listing UCF instead of UA as the champion need a consensus. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 03:10, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Protected the latter for three days. I'm not sure the former reaches the point of SPP, yet. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Believe me, as a UGA fan, I'd personally rather see UCF named the national champion this year! Objectively, UCF plays in Division 1 FBS, which means the CFP determined the national champion for the FBS. That means AL is the national champion, as much as it sticks in my craw to admit it. Ah, the State of Georgia curse! - BilCat (talk) 08:50, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I've always eyed the CFP with a gimlet eye from the get-go, really. Acting as if there is a stone tablet carried down from Mount Sinai that says thou shalt have a playoff in every sport to the point of getting Congress threatening to take action was just ridiculous... - The Bushranger One ping only 09:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I actually like the CFP, even when my team loses. If the playoffs are good enough for the FCS (Div I-AA to us old-timers), why not the FBS? I've been a supporter of the Plus-One system idea from way before the BCS came about. I think 8 teams is probably too much in the current season set up, but it'll probably happen eventually, given media favorites like Ohio State getting left out too often. - BilCat (talk) 09:35, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * But yes, threats from Congress are generally ridiculous, no matter what they're about! - BilCat (talk) 09:38, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Admin help
BR, see here, and here for a similar edit from a couple of months ago. Do you know any admins on Commons that can look into this? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:52, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Unfortunatly, when it comes to Commons administration, I know no-tink, no-tink. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:06, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for PTV-N-2 Gorgon IV
Alex Shih (talk) 00:03, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for WS-124A Flying Cloud
Alex Shih (talk) 12:02, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Air Board (Australia)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Cat Creek, Montana
Meant to get over and leave a note about changing the protection. I've worked that one for years, initially at SPI, plus a couple more than get hit from the same crew. I figured that had we discussed it, you would probably agree, so I just changed it for good. Tired of the lost man hours on the "mountain lion" set of articles. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 23:06, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. I have a (another) WP:RAF filed, but ECP may at least keep that page's hash settled. Now to see if they continue going after the other articles in exchange, of course! - The Bushranger One ping only 23:10, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There are only 2 or 3 articles they go after. Honestly, it would seem that ECP would have less overhead and an almost guaranteed success rate.  It wasn't what it originally was designed for (GG) but it works pretty well for LTA/vandalism.  Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 23:38, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Orchard Pond Parkway
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:06, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Kaman K-16B
Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:02, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Aviolanda AT-21
Gatoclass (talk) 00:03, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Aries (rocket)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Page deletion query
Hi there,

I noticed the page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skipp_A._Haynes_Williamson - was deleted for the following reason: 23:09, 8 December 2017 The Bushranger (talk | contribs) deleted page Skipp A. Haynes Williamson (R3: Recently created, implausible redirect)

Can you please help me understand why the page was deleted and how I can go about fixing the page to have it restored?

Many thanks edwinahelen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edwinahelen (talk • contribs) 23:11, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * It was deleted because the page was hijacked, changing a Czech city's page to that page in order to bypass the New Page Patrol review. If the subject is notable through reliable sources, than a new page can be created, from scratch, for him by someone who is independent of the subject. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:27, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by 'changing a Czech city's page to that page in order to bypass the New Page Patrol review' - can you please clarify? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edwinahelen (talk • contribs) 04:06, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There was a page that existed, on the Czech village of Hvězdoňovice. Somebody who was hired to write an article but wanted to hide they were making paid contributions got the idea of taking that page, rewriting it to be about Skipp A. Haynes Williamson, and then moving the page to Skipp A. Haynes Williamson, believing that the people who watch the 'newly created pages' feed and would spot the creation of a paid, promotional article, would not see it, as it was a move of an "existing" article, and therefore their spam would be allowed to exist on Wikipedia. As is obvious, that violation of multiple important policies did not work, hence the article being deleted. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:55, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Ping-Pong (rocket)
Vanamonde (talk) 04:23, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for ASM-N-6 Omar
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Republic SD-3 Snooper
Mifter (talk) 15:31, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

SPI
You must of missed my ping the other day. Could I get you to weigh in here, regarding an account you blocked about a month ago? Thanks in advance. Sir Sputnik (talk) 04:17, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Wayne Jacks
Alex Shih (talk) 15:05, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Ben Hess
Alex Shih (talk) 15:05, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Ochlockonee River State Park
Alex Shih (talk) 15:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Harris DeVane
Gatoclass (talk) 02:46, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Historical Model Railway Society
Gatoclass (talk) 02:46, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Amazon Air
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DYK for Hazel Carter
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DYK for GB-1
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:17, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Glomb
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:02, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Naval Research Laboratory Flyrt
Gatoclass (talk) 12:03, 26 January 2018 (UTC)