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Forevermore
I just discovered on Spotify that the band Forevermore has three other albums, before recording Telos. P.S. Jesus Wept disbanded a couple years ago. I spoke to Dave Quiggle on Instagram and thats what he said. Metalworker14 (Yo) 4:22, June 30 2015 (UTC)
 * I go by what information was available to me at the time, and if you find out more information, please, feel free to adjust the articles accordingly.The Cross Bearer (talk) 01:05, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean to be rude. I just stating what I found. --Metalworker (Yo) 21:58, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You were not the least bit rude to me. I think you do pretty good work on Wikipedia, just saying, you know more about metal music than myself, so please follow behind me and fix my errors. Love,The Cross Bearer (talk) 01:27, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank You The Cross Bearer, that means a lot. --Metalworker14 (Yo) 13:20, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Moving article to mainspace
Thanks for moving A Hill to Die Upon to mainspace. Please ask next time, though, since I wasn't prepared to work on the article and get in to DYK. I also planned to created the album articles. I have the time tomorrow on my day off, so it's not a problem. But, in the future, remember that it's courteous to ask first.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 21:03, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I've been a little to bold recently, with regards to matters pertaining to this encyclopedia.The Cross Bearer (talk) 02:03, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

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I noticed your question about Misty Edwards. I suspect if I had participated in the deletion review I may have strongly argued for preserving the article. If Ms Edwards genuinely measures up to our notability standards then her desire not to be covered by the wikipedia should be considered completely irrelevant. In the past we only deleted articles on individuals, who requested deletion, when, (1) upon closer examination, there was a consensus that the individual didn't measure up to the current notability standards; or (2) there was a consensus that their notability was "borderline".

I won't go on record, without seeing the actual article, but, since we cover her discography, and some of her albums, I would be very surprised if Ms Edwards were not "clearly notable". If she is genuinely "borderline" there is tradition to give the article about her a courtesy deletion -- but if she was "clearly notable", she would once have been out of luck. I, for one, would strongly object to evolving to give courtesy deletion of neutral well referenced articles of clearly notable people, for the reasons User:DGG articulated.

I invite you to look at the deletion review and subsequent AFD for Jeffrey H. Norwitz.

Frankly, I am surprised at how firmly other contributors felt we should honor Ms Edwards's desire not to be covered by the wikipedia.

Have you considered porting the article to a non-WMF wiki? If you were essentially the only author of intellectual content to the second version of the article you are completely entitled to re-use it elsewhere. If it consists of intellectual content you wrote you are under no obligation to even mentioned it once existed here. http://en.wikialpha.org is a small alternate wiki with less onerous notability criteria, which also supports a relatively rich subset of the templates our articles rely on. Many alternative wikis don't support templates, like cite. Porting material to one of those is a lot of work.

If you try doing this don't hesitate to email me if you want help.

I'd like to look at your preferred draft of the Misty Edwards article. Port it, and I will do so there.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 00:38, 18 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I have no idea why the subject wanted the bio removed--her request to OTRS did not specify. In the past entertainers have sometimes wanted it deleted when they have an earlier career they have changed or repudiated, but I have no way of knowing whether this is the case here. I some such cases I might not oppose deletion. But her career in Christian music seems impeccable and is continuing.  t But I am not at all clear why she was judged not clearly notable. I see you have added an article  at Misty Edwards discography& for two of her recent albums. She had albums with respectable charting--but this is not my field. there might be a case for Deletion Review, but  I suggest you check first with someone who knows how we handle these topics. I wouldn't even know who to ask. You might start though, wit h those who voted for deletionand ask them if what is there is sufficient.   DGG ( talk ) 04:17, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I BOLDLY moved the article. Lest see what happens now.  Nyth 63  19:45, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, for taking the initiative in doing the task.The Cross Bearer (talk) 01:57, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I had added a few wikilinks to the article so that is was not an orphan. They will all have to be re-edited after the dust settles.  Nyth  63  12:43, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

I re-added/fixed the links from Kim Walker-Smith, Onething conference, How Can It Be (album) and Sid Roth's It's Supernatural  Nyth 63  02:46, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I want to thank your for all your assistance, with regards to the Misty Edwards article.The Cross Bearer (talk) 03:26, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * What is the deal with the deletion/recreation of this article yesterday? I aslo removed the issues tags as 40+ sources should be plenty for anybody.  Nyth  63  23:53, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The editor/admin stated an his talk page that it was a mistake. He is still seem to be POV pushing by calling it a puff-piece and insisting that it still does not have enough sources.  I already deleted the tags once and he reverted them.  You can delete them and give an edit summary like already has 41 citations and more than 7 independent sources.  Nyth  63  01:25, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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Hillsong
I think we need an article for the band that is separate from the church. Currently, albums, etc., link back to Hillsong Church. Care to make one or should I raise the issue at the project? Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:31, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There is a Hillsong United article. Perhaps other Hillsong bands could be added to that article?-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 13:55, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Whatever you two decide, then I will be more than happy to create one.The Cross Bearer (talk) 03:22, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hillsong/Hillsong Live was the first band, with songwriters and leaders Darlene Zschech, Reuben Morgan and others, and later Marty Sampson. Then came UNITED. They're all quite different in style and members. I think a stand-alone Hillsong article is needed. Should be enough for an article based on the content at list of Hillsong albums and template:Hillsong albums. The thing that motivated me was the recent move of All Things Are Possible. Check its history. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:29, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I get your stance, where at the current-time the predicament is untenable, with the lack of an article in existence, for the live/worship act.The Cross Bearer (talk) 04:06, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The article is now on Wikipedia, Hillsong Worship, for your reading pleasure.The Cross Bearer (talk) 06:27, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Top Worship albums of 2014
I have albums 1, 3, 4, 5 and 6 off the list, and I'm not even fond of "worship music". I had to check the source and I think I avoided all of the others. Thanks for reminding me that I'm getting old (or that worship music is getting good). Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:57, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You are welcome, I hope you enjoy listening to them.The Cross Bearer (talk) 07:01, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Friendly Bit of Criticism
I couldn't help noticing that a lot of your articles on Christian punk bands seem to keep using the same group of subgenres, including skate punk, hardcore punk, pop punk, and alternative rock, sometimes even on the same band. It's very rare that any one band is all of these things, which makes it very confusing to someone who isn't familiar with these bands to figure out what genre they actually are (not to mention to put in genre categories and figure whether they belong on certain lists - I'm talking about me, if you haven't guessed). I would recommend sticking mainly to one umbrella genre (say, Christian punk) and subgenres as identified by the article's sources (Cross Rhythms, Indie Vision, Allmusic, etc.), so that they are easier to tag.--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 03:07, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Mike Lee (musician)


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Timelines for Musicians
Hey Cross Bearer, I'm thinking of experimenting with timelines and placing them on musician pages. For instance I'll use Stephen Keech as an example. Keech has been in Haste the Day, New Day Awakening, and As Cities Burn. Haste the Day would be Green, New Day Awakening would be Red, and As Cities Burn would be Blue (with a line of magenta, due to him being a touring member of their). What do you think? --Metalworker14 (Yo) 18:54, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Go for it! I would advise you to prove his notability first, with coverage of him as a solo musician outside of the bands he was a member and vocalist.The Cross Bearer (talk) 03:41, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok Thanks. --Metalworker14 (Yo) 17:14, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

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Bloodlined Calligraphy
I saw your article on them and remembered I had this in my userspace. Feel free to use any of the info/sources there for your own article. Take care,--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 00:05, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Young Oceans
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Oh sorry, that wasn't aimed at you! I didn't check the edit history and assumed it was another IP editor who goes around adding predictions of peaks on US charts. But thank you!  Ss 112  12:26, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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"Photograph"
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United Pursuit
Hello. Is there a reason you did not include albums from the time they were known as Will Reagan & United Pursuit? I made an edit to change this, but I was wondering why you chose not to include it.

Thanks!

It's OK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superipod10 (talk • contribs) 17:39, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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