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The Discography - Nothing
Discography: Is the study and listing of the details concerning sound recordings... That's a reference from Wiki... My 'Sounds Recordings', it could be said, are 'Solid Concepts...' Concepts - for they are NOT considered fact, Solid - for they have, may I say, reasonable logic... hence why i wrote this here, and analytical report on this would be much apreciated... My basic translation of This Discography: The pursuit of understanding what 'nothing’ means...

This is my first try at the talk page, im 21, so bare with me...

‘0’ / ‘1’ - 2 - 3 - - - - - - - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - etc - and so forth... infinite...?

What was the spark, the very essence, the beginning, the start, the reason for the creation of everything…? it doesn’t take much brains to work back to a beginning, the natural world has taught me enough to understand, that a ladder needs a base, and a support to prop against to keep it up - it is impossible to support the pyramid on its point… We look back and debate ‘evolution’, ‘space and time’, ‘the big bang’… but, on a mere Mathematical level, we need ‘1’ to set the whole chain of events into action… as opposed to the ‘0’ as a primary factor… I know nothing that can become of nothing… ‘0’ + ‘0’ = ‘0’		And I know ‘0’ + ‘1’ = 1...	The question we practically ask ourselves is where did ‘1’ come from, what created it…? Basic Law: if I consider ‘1’ to be the starting point of something… then ‘0’ is nothing, therefore there is no start to nothing, if there was, my logic would promote me to presume that it would become something…

With either one I ask the question: Is there a start to nothing…?

First off, you cant put a starting point to nothing, regardless of its size, or, lack of size… it would make no difference then if nothing was finite or infinite, if nothing was finite then one couldn’t even put a start to that, even if I believe nothing has limitations, I could not put a start to it, until its limitations - as it were - were breached and nothing became something… When nothing became something, its transition into everything was complete……

Typically we write ‘0’ for nothing - when we talk of it as a mental conception, but for physical creation, we don’t need to talk about ‘0’ any longer it seems… the convocation is switched to ‘1’ as the start… We hardly write 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 to dictate a starting point… so what becomes of ‘0’ then…? If nothing became something, then evidently nothing was the action… we could debate about the primary cause we see ‘1’ to be all day, but without knowing anything about ‘0’ - the action, what does one base there facts on…?

Thoses who take the stand point that nothing does not exit - not even as an absolute mental conception will be left to criticize…

The critic will say: So what happens when I start at ‘0’…? Effectively then, just as much as anyone else who placed there rationality on ‘1’ (being the start) knowing nothing of ‘0’, I’m no further an explanation without knowing something of nothing - ‘0’…

A critic will reply: So then, what is there to know about something that doesn’t exit…? Yeah but, primarily - that’s my point…! even to start at ‘1’ surely means that there was a primary action before it - ‘0’… I would be basing my facts on something that I thought didn’t exit to explain the reason for my being, that would be a complete contradiction in terms surely - Would any rationality become of this ‘theory’…?

I cant get my head around that fact… one side will try dominate to propose that we even started from nothing, and that they believe nothing exists to back them up…!

While the other side will deny the existence of nothing, shuddering the thought away backing themselves up by what fact…? That they were born from some kind of ‘Absolute’ Nothingness that’s beyond my conceptual ability to deem able to consider fit, because they think nothing has no meaning or reason and isn’t an absolute mental conception… is it just me who thinks that idea is hideous - or have we hit a paradox…

One wouldn’t base there whole metaphysic’s on believing that nothing was just a mere conception of the mind - would they…? Surely if this was followed thu into a procedure one would have to ask - is my very being a mental conception…?

Its fair to say that ‘0’ is a conception of the mind, as opposed to the physical proof of ‘1’ to back that up, that does seem kind of odd to me… but I would consider my self a fool to say ‘nothing’ doesn’t exit… in believing it does I hope to understand, rather than go about my philosophy on something I cant base my very existence on…

Yet that leaves many with questions…

The predominate one in my head… All thoses therefore who don’t believe in nothing, are conceptualists in the idea everything is infinite…? ones can painstakingly battle it out believing they are in fact finite, but by which mean will they prove there own existence…?

Some will probably be perplexed… the ones who believe nothing exits will be most likely to be questioned first… The critic will say: So tell me why and how nothing exits - you have a very avid listener…? Without already contradicting myself… good question…

Is the idea of having nothing to progress into the ability to fulfil infinity…?

As the expression goes: ‘If you have nothing to lose, only then do you have everything to gain…’

Outside the expanse of everything… If there was nothing in front of you, would one have an infinite road…? for I always assumed creation to be the birth of something knew - only then could it be justified as a start, which in turn would separate it from being infinite… I presumed a start had to have an end… There are two substantially different ways to be born: 1. Is into nothing… 2. Is into something… Rather than ask the question, does perfection exist…? or, does nothing exist…? the question we ort be asking ourselves is: what is the difference between being born into 'no thing' and being born into 'some thing'…?

A birth that occurred to create everything, would ultimately have to be born out of something or nothing - we call such a profound force that can create something from nothing: God… when metaphysically we talk of ‘no thing’, its hard to grasp: would it still remain a part of everything…? I guesstimated that for everything to incorporate all eternity, nothing would also have to be a part of it… but, what I see in life is paramountly finite, for the simple fact ‘every-thing’ has limitations, therefore ‘no-thing’ has no limitations, you could then currently argue that everything was in fact infinite, yet I know no thing that is… confused…?

Following similar lines we see the paradox in this old joke: If nothing is worse than the Devil, and nothing is greater than God, then the Devil must be greater than God…

To put it 'simply' within a metaphor: you pour water into something and it will soon fill up, if you where to pour water into nothing, then would there will be nothing left for you to pour…? - Mallorquin Proverb

But before anything existed - I assumed everything had to be at balance with nothing - was there God…? I take from my bed side cabinet my bible - dated 1804, to see what Genesis has to say about creation… To my surprise, the bible doesn’t say: ‘In the beginning there was nothing…’ It says: ‘In the beginning God created heaven and earth…’ The primary factor remains: was everything born into, out of or from nothing…?

My point is that every thing cannot possible then incorporate nothing, nothing is not a noun for a noun has to be something, so nothing remains outside the boundaries of everything (in the sense therefore no thing is none existent in the physical conception)… my logic promotes me to presume that everything cannot retain nothing or it would be a contradiction in terms… therefore theoretically before there was everything, there would have been nothing…

On this basis I rest my argument: no thing has no limitations, one cannot put a start to nothing - period… Therefore when everything was created, it would have been created by God, God giving birth to everything from nothing, making everything without boundaries, and hence forth - infinite…? unless of course everything was born from something - other than God…

So... If you asked: ‘Do you know nothing…?’, You would probably hear as a reply three things, an arrogant response to such a question would go as follows, ‘What, and you do…?’, Where as simpler person would ask, ‘About what…?’ Yet we rarely hear someone say: ‘Is there something to know about nothing…? 'for in response' I thought that there was nothing to know about it: there is nothing to know about nothing, if there was - it would be something…’

C G Jung says: ‘We are still a long way from understanding what it signifies that nothing has any existence unless some small - and oh, so transitory - consciousness has become aware of it…’

The Discography (talk) 21:18, 19 February 2011 (UTC)