User talk:The Drover's Wife/Archive 3

15:21:52, 29 January 2018 review of submission by Rachirimim
Hi, Drover's Wife. Thank you for your recent edits. I am having a hard time understanding what constitutes "notability." There are not many articles written about systems engineering tools, so notability in the field is established in ways other than write-ups in famous newspapers. I was instead proving notability through facts like: 1.	Vitech's founder was the president of the International Council on Systems Engineering, or INCOSE, the world's largest professional network of systems engineers (according to the Wikipedia page on INCOSE) 2.	Universities' use of our product in engineering courses at colleges across the nation, including top-ranking universities like MIT 3.	Usage of Vitech software in significant projects (for example, those run by the U.S. Department of Energy)

I am further confused by a page for another similar engineer tool in the same space, MagicDraw, which has as references: its own website, a comment on a blog, an unsecure website, and the website of an open membership association of systems engineering companies.

This has left me confused and I would really appreciate your help in further understanding what Wikipedia is looking for in order to establish "notability." Can you tell me specifically what we need to do to prove this?

Rachirimim (talk) 15:21, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Request on 09:28:12, 30 January 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Ahadzhiyska1
Good morning The Drover's Wife,

I hope you're well.

Thank you for taking the time to review my Articles for Creation submission on PayU. As I've worked hard on ensuring that I provide 40 independent, trustworthy references that support the notability of PayU, I was wondering whether you could elaborate on your decision to decline the submission. Thank you very much in advance!

Ahadzhiyska1 (talk) 09:28, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

06:37:51, 31 January 2018 review of submission by Keanugeanu
Hi The Drover's Wife - thanks for taking the time to review my submission. As far as notability goes, from 2013-2016 Aneros won more XBIZ product awards than any other company except for a company called Fleshlight. In my mind that alone would qualify as being notable. The XBIZ awards are one of the two most prestigious awards in the industry. There is more information including a newly published medical papers that I can reference but shouldn't the awards be sufficient for notability? Compared to many other companies in the industry who have approved wikipedia pages this submission has much more information. Please let me know your thoughts, thank you. Keanugeanu (talk) 06:37, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

14:20:23, 31 January 2018 review of submission by Rachirimim
Thank you so so much for your helpful and timely response! I have reached out to multiple reviewers and you are the first to respond so just know you're awesome! I really appreciate your comments, they gave me a lot of insight. Rachirimim (talk) 14:20, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

XJDF - review
Hi and thanks for your update. I am not quite sure, why you see a German University or an international trade organization in the print industry (CIP4) as unreliable sources for a standard that is more or less a major update (thing XML vs. SGML) of an existing standard (see page: Job Definition Format). There are not many vendor publications yet, since it is a new standard that will be published next month. There will be press release, but again that will be published by CIP4.org.

I am a bit at loss how to continue. Wait 2 months until the press release is out?

Thanks again for your consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainer.prosi (talk • contribs) 20:26, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Request on 21:59:43, 2 February 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Nimbo.lo
Why was my submission declined?

Nimbo.lo (talk) 21:59, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Sudhakar Tomar
Hi There,

Thanks for the honest review of my draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sudhakar_Tomar#cite_note-1 .I really appreciate your efforts but I think all the sources used in the article have related the subject and it also reflects subject's notability. I could be wrong please tell me how I can improve my article.

In case you missed, I am sharing few links used in the article (including Forbes Rank, Leading Indian Newspaper article, Dubai Government website etc.): http://www.hakanfoods.com/node/650 https://www.forbesmiddleeast.com/en/list/the-top-indian-business-leaders-in-the-arab-world-2016-owners-/item/48/ https://www.forbesmiddleeast.com/en/list/top-indian-leaders-in-the-arab-world/item/46/ https://www.dmcc.ae/events/dmcc-members-awards-2016 http://thecxoalliance.net/speaker/sudhakar-tomar/ http://thecxoalliance.net/advisory-committee/ http://http//www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/agri-business/area-under-pulses-seen-static-in-near-future/article3288012.ece

Kindly have a look and let me how I can add more quality content as required by Wikipedia guidelines.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishal.srivastava.rti (talk • contribs) 08:49, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

05:24:04, 4 February 2018 review of submission by Laura bachrach
Laura bachrach (talk) 05:24, 4 February 2018 (UTC) Hi. Thank you for your feedback. I have some questions that I hope you will answer so that I may improve the article. Might you be able to let me know why the cited publications such as Forbes, CNBC, TechCrunch, Venture Beat are not considered reliable sources when they are leading media outlets? As well, I have added a feature article from Fast Company. Each article used as a reference is reported by a journalist in detail and solely about the company which is one of the first subscription services for toothbrushes. I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you, Laura

Laura bachrach (talk) 05:24, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

16:49:05, 4 February 2018 review of submission by Garyt84
We now have more data and references to Harmon cooper than other authors on wikipedia what else can you suggest?

Garyt84 (talk) 16:49, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Magdalene Catholic High School / Notable alumni
Any reason for removing the Notable alumni section along with Daniel Assetta from Magdalene Catholic High School? ---MarkehMe (talk) 21:30, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Topface article declined
Hi. The first version of the article was declined (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Topface), so I went to Teahouse to get some wisdom. I was said that if my article is a translation, I should properly attribute it and re-submit. I did that.

Here is our discussion about the notability of the article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_703#Russian_speaking_editor

Could you comment it? Antonzaitsev (talk) 09:04, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Sea World Culture and Arts Center
Thank you for reviewing my draft SeaWorld Culture and Arts Center. I have since written other articles including Gaston Lenôtre. I understand your saying it needs more references of which i have found a number   So I am wondering now since I am able to publish articles and have the references to substantiate the notability is it alright with you to just go and publish it in regular article space?Williamsdoritios (talk) 22:41, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello again I resubmitted Sea World with the links added. i hope you can have a look at it, ThanksWilliamsdoritios (talk) 23:29, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Copyvios - multiple URLs
I noticed an error when you posted this db-copyvio. If there are multiple URLs that are copyvios (to a maximum of 3), each needs its own parameter, like this:

Using  tags doesn't separate the URLs. It just confuses the copyvio detector link into thinking it's one long, unbroken URL. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 23:03, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Your rollbacks made the papers.
Apparently you are also an "accredited" Wikipedia editor! Congrats on earning that mysterious title :) http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/hunt-for-public-servant-who-is-defacing-penny-wongs-wikipedia-page-20180207-h0v7uz.html. Manning (talk) 04:15, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Erika Heynatz
Hi I have found some interesting information on Erika heynatz I am not sure but there is something fishy going on about her death. I have found a website called find a grave https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/186866426/erika-heynatz the memorial has been removed today, I went on it yesterday and it said Erika Heynatz Birth 25 Mar 1975 Port Moresby, National Capital, Papua New Guinea Death 14 Jan 2018 Adelaide City, South Australia, Australia  Burial Yallourn Cemetery Newborough, Latrobe City, Victoria, Australia and then it gave a summary of her career, then it said On 14 January 2018, at the age of 42, while in Adelaide City Australia for a recording session, Heynatz died unexpectedly at the Adelaide Hilton hotel. The cause of death was not suspicious. The coroner's office said the results of its inquiry would not be released until April at the earliest. On a YouTube video link here Erika Heynatz tribute https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O6DfMZ1jqU, I know things kept getting added about her dying, is she alive or dead could it  be another person with the same name. ?  Amy foster (talk) 02:42, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * her website, agent, assures me nothing is happening. Alive. as for the youtube video ... maybe not for long. Dave Rave (talk) 09:47, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

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Request on 11:15:08, 9 February 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Abmnn
Thanks for reviewing my article on Nimble Commander! You rejected it for notability reasons. I respectfully disagree and here is my argumentation that I hope you find reasonable:

Wikipedia's notability guidelines state that "a computer program can usually be presumed to be notable if it is discussed in reliable sources as significant in its particular field [...]".

Of the five sources I used, the first two (Softpedia and MacTech) are well-known websites/journals in the Mac software domain that both have their own Wikipedia articles. The third and fourth are a large Computer News website (CNET) and well-known tech blog (lifehacker.ru). The fifth is a recommendation by the author of the golden standard file manager of the last two decades (Total Commander).

Objectively, the quality of these sources is at least equivalent to the ones used in the acticles of Nimble Commander's direct competitors, all dual-pane file managers for macOS:
 * Fman
 * CRAX Commander
 * ForkLift
 * Path Finder

Please take 2 minutes and see for yourself. Take Fman for example: It cites three sources. The first is Softpedia, like in my article. The only difference is that Fman was rated 3/5 and Nimble Commander received a 5/5 rating. The second source is a journal, comparable to MacTech which I cited. The third is ProductHunt, a product launch website where everybody can post their product without any peer-review.

Please help me understand in detail why you rejected the article. Help me add a good article for a popular piece of software - thanks! :)

Abmnn (talk) 11:15, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Request on 18:34:01, 10 February 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Shengsheng555
Please look at the list of publications. They are published on well-regarded academic journals and are widely cited. I think they are sufficient to establish the notability.

Shengsheng555 (talk) 18:34, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

A goat for you!
Thank you very much for your work on my Rondo Neighborhood article! It was my first in the AfC process, so was very much holding my breath. Much appreciated!

ClarityKTMpls (talk) 19:41, 10 February 2018 (UTC) 

Request on 21:58:28, 11 February 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Shengsheng555
Thank you for your prompt and kind reply. Could you please look at the modified page Draft:Joan Bagaria and give some advice? I added more media coverage and independent sources.

Shengsheng555 (talk) 21:58, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Request on 22:20:29, 11 February 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Stevevil13
WHY DID REFUSE MY ARTICLE???

WHY DID REFUSE MY ARTICLE??? First of all, I would think TIME MAGAZINE counts as a reliable source for backing up an article. Also, I've had a previous article- The Houdini Museum Of New York- published using THE SAME SOURCES and no one groused about that! I've read all of the "user talk" questions on your page and it seems like many article writers have issues with you and how you choose what "deserves" to get published. As Fantasma Magic and The Houdini Museum of New York are both intertwined, it seems to me that the error is on YOUR part, not mine. Please rectify this situation and publish this article. Fantasma Magic is a multi-million dollar toy and magic manufacturer who supplies magic and toys worldwide and has been in business for over ten years. They are not some fly-by-night little company. Thank you. Stevevil13 (talk) 22:20, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Stevevil13 (talk) 22:20, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Reversion on Barry Jones entry
Thanks for taking an interest in my edit on the Barry Jones page. I was attempting to rephrase my own sentence as another editor had interpreted it as meaning Jones didn't have an opinion on euthanasia when in fact his opinion as a leading progressive thinker is highly contentious and well known. I wonder if you have time to consider whether or not simply stating that his position is 'inconclusive' is adequate to explain his intensely mixed feelings on the subject as expressed in the referenced documents. Gumsaint (talk) 00:13, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Reviewing drafts
My drafts Jamie Pitt, Ian Gillan, and Petter Bennet all meet the criteria (jamie pitt and peter bennett have played in the Singaporean S.League see WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues while ian gillan has coached for a Philippines Football League team which also meets the criteria). Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 01:16, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

11:42:56, 16 February 2018 review of submission by RC1996
Dear The Drover's Wife, Thank you for taking the time to review the page I am trying to publish. This is the second time that it has been rejected, and this time, I am not sure what more changes I should make? I have provided all of the references. Do you have any recommendations, as I have read all of the pages on wikipedia (and read blogs/watched youtube tutorials), so I am really lost at this point.. I thank you in advance for your help. Kindest regards, Rayan RC1996 (talk) 11:42, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Altered lists
Could you provide a list of judge list formats I've altered? Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 20:57, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Hannah Mouncey
If you want to remove her born name then a discussion needs to be started at the talk page. You also need to use better edit summaries. AIRcorn (talk) 22:50, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

12:52:16, 19 February 2018 review of submission by Bartoszbielecki
Bartoszbielecki (talk) 12:52, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi,

A while ago you reviewed a page about the company called "Codewise", which you declined, and marked the lack of notability of this page as a reason. I'd really appreciate it if you could give me some tips on how to make it pass a review. I've studied the Wiki article about notability of organizations, but it wasn't helpful, because the page I created met all the rules mentioned in the article. It is the company from my city, and I saw it didn't have its Wiki page, even though it was named the second fastest growing company in whole Europe, and third in the entire EMEA region. It's one of the most recognizable companies in Poland, especially for IT people. I even stuck to citing large, globally known media outlets like Forbes and The Financial Times, which covered Codewise in deep and multiple times. So please, let me know what can be done to make it acceptable. I'm eager to contribute to Wikipedia, so any tips will be helpful.

Best Regards, BB

03:09:12, 23 February 2018 review of submission by Mark Abernethy
Not a re-review - clarification of why the Coates Hire submission was rejected. I included reliable, published sources such as Sydney Morning Herald articles, books with ISBNs and the announcements section of the ASX - which has a similar regulatory function to the US SEC (ie. by law it has to be true). I'm not sure which references were not good enough and I don't want to re-write it and remove all the references that were good enough, thereby prolonging the process. I understand the need for Notability: should I list, say, 20 articles from the SMH and Australian Financial Review that are about Coates Hire? Just need a few hints so I can complete this. regards, Mark Mark Abernethy (talk) 03:09, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Mark Abernethy (talk) 03:09, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

01:16:15, 23 February 2018 review of submission by Miaourach
Hi The Drover's Wife,

Andes Technology is one of the top 5 CPU IP providers in the world, so I believe it's worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia.

Also, I would like to know how can I improve the referencing. It says "Wikipedia requires significant coverage..." and Andes is actually featured in some prestigious technology media such as EE Times and Digitimes. I don't know what else I can do to improve it so it would be very helpful to hear suggestions from the reviewers. Thank you!

Update: Thank you very much for the tips. I really appreciate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miaourach (talk • contribs) 05:06, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Miaourach (talk) 01:16, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Topface article translation declined
Hi. I answered to you on my talk page and re-post it here. You said: "I declined because articles must reference significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject to demonstrate that they're notable topics for Wikipedia. Most of the sources either a) relate to one hacking incident, b) are to the company's social media, or c) are to trivial sources like "top so-and-so" lists. If it's a notable site, there will be people writing actual stories about it in newspapers, magazines, etc. - but if so, none of that has made it into the article."

That's not the whole truth. There are Russian sources that are notable sites with people writing actual stories. I have already had a conversation about this in the Teahouse, and I was recommended to re-submit the article as a translation. Antonzaitsev (talk) 20:49, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

23:27:35, 27 February 2018 review of submission by 144.139.95.219
Hi there,

I am new to Wikipedia. So i hope you can help. I'm writing this page about Peter Charleston, Australian Psychologist. I've updated some of the references in the hopes of them being a little more objective. Not sure if they re an improvement, so thought id ask.

Are you able to help me pin-point exactly how i can improve the referencing? I don't have scholarly articles regarding this topic, as the article is in reference to a person (not an object or historical topic etc), so i'm really not sure what type of references i can add other than links to the expert opinion/commentary he has offered etc.

Are you able to suggest if i should delete any of the information, if you feel that there is no particular suitable reference to go with it (e.g. i don't have a link online directly to the radio interviews he gave, but other people could easily call the radio station to verify etc).

Hoping you can offer some personalised/specific guidance so that i can make this article better. I have checked out a similar page (Australian Psychologist Jo Lamble, and her page has been approved but doesn't have as much content or references.

I'd be very grateful for any advice you have.

Cheers.

144.139.95.219 (talk) 23:27, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

00:34:57, 28 February 2018 review of submission by Mdbachmusic
Can you please specify which lines of this article draft are causing an issue or need to be addressed? The article was rejected because of a lack of footnotes, but it currently cites multiple references so please advise on what needs to be changed in order for this draft to be approved. Thank you very much.

Mdbachmusic (talk) 00:34, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Greens Australia
Discuss the issue of Greens ideology and political positions with me on The Greens talk page rather than unjustifiably reverting my edits, which provide sources.

Thank you.

T3hfix3r (talk) 12:56, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

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AFDds
Bring on the sources and I will be happy to provide a rebuttal on a per-se basis. ~ Winged Blades Godric 11:12, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

14:29:44, 4 March 2018 review of submission by Aboutbeauty
Hello, I would love to know why Beini's wiki has been decline. She is very famous in China. I posted the related news which are all well known publishing here in China. What can I do to make this version accept? Thank you.

Aboutbeauty (talk) 14:29, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

question on rejection
Hello to The Drover's Wife. Thanks for all you do to keep Wiki accurate, For https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ROUSH_CleanTech — This company page was rejected due to "submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published." The company has been featured in AP, Reuters, USA Today, CNBC, Detroit Free Press and about a hundred trade magazines, as well as the U.S. Energy Department's Alternative Fuels Data Center. Many of these were referenced in the draft (not all due to space and trying to keep the entry concise). Any guidance on what to include in order to get an approved resubmission would be appreciated. Thanks. Julie CoconutJulie (talk) 14:28, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Das osmnezz
For a little background you might want to take a look at this. This is an undoubtedly well meaning editor who has managed to create a lot of low grade but acceptable articles. But who has also manifested dreadful CIR issues to the point where he has been blocked repeatedly and I was very close to indeffing him. I feel badly dumping him on AfC but he just isn't ready to be let loose on the project. On the other hand a look at his stats shows he is a work horse who has actually produced hundreds of articles. He really needs a mentor but that program appears to be moribund. In any event if you feel he has become too much of a time sink for AfC let me know. Unfortunately this is probably the kid's last stop before being indeffed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:58, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I had a talk with him on his talk page. We will see what comes of it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:42, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

"Mass Moves" - apology please
Hi The Drover's Wife. Regarding this comment, please show evidence of my "mass moves" or any move against consensus at all or withdraw and apologise. I don't see why I should have to tolerate bad faith accusations directed at me personally from you because you disagree with me (and consensus). As for taking all renaming discussions to RM, that actually would be disruptive and more than a little bit WP:POINTY. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 06:07, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Mattinbgn's page moves can be found here. The vast majority of them are controversial.  He is being sneaky by moving quiet pages are a low but steady rate with the effect of altering the appearance of consistency of the status quo, a major point in discussions on WP:NCAUST.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:32, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Melbourne meetup
A quick note: There is a meetup in Fed Square this Sunday at 6pm. T.Shafee(Evo &#38; Evo)talk 00:58, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

3DB - The Minstrel Show.
Dear "Drover's Wife",

I start the section that you don't like by saying: "The majority of historians and historical commentators stress that when looking at the past, one must be careful to view the situation through the social mores, commonly accepted attitudes, and conventions of the particular era ...". In other words, from the beginning I am making it clear that this Wikipedia section speaks for many people. The section includes links to the following Wikipedia pages: minstrel show, Nigger and blackface. All of these pages certainly include the types of comments to which you appear to object, in some case with stronger language than I have used! For example, the introduction to the Nigger page uses expressions such as: racial slur, unambiguously pejorative, and racist insult. (There is also some criticism in the African Americans page, which is also linked to 3DB.)

If one were to leave the first paragraph of The Minstrel Show section without any qualification, it would look completely racist!

It is most important that the explanation of a general change of attitude over the past decades by the vast majority of people be made. Can you imagine the outrage if someone tried to produce a minstrel show today, in any media (including radio)?

Yours, Albert Isaacs (talk) 23:54, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Dear "Drover's Wife",

Thanks for the compromise suggestion, which has been followed up, hopefully to everyone's satisfaction.

Yours, Albert Isaacs (talk) 01:09, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Dear "Drover's Wife",

I am about to make yet another compromise which, hopefully, will satisfy all.

It is intriguing to read some of the negative comments on your user page. There appear to be many people who are intimidated. However, I personally want to think positive, and hope I therefore that we have now resolved at least one of the 119 difficulties listed on your user page for just over 12 months.

Yours, Albert Isaacs (talk) 02:22, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Interested in becoming a new page patroller?
~ Amory  (u • t • c) 15:35, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

NPR granted
Hello The Drover&#39;s Wife. Your account has been added to the " " user group, allowing you to review new pages and mark them as patrolled, tag them for maintenance issues, or in some cases, tag them for deletion. The list of articles awaiting review is located at the New Pages Feed. New page reviewing is a vital function for policing the quality of the encylopedia; if you have not already done so, you must read the new tutorial at New Pages Review, the linked guides and essays, and fully understand the various deletion criteria. If you need more help or wish to discuss the process, please join or start a thread at page reviewer talk. The reviewer right does not change your status or how you can edit articles. If you no longer want this user right, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. In case of abuse or persistent inaccuracy of reviewing, the right can be revoked at any time by an administrator. ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 00:29, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Please consider helping get the huge backlog down to a manageable number of pages as soon as possible.
 * Be nice to new users - they are often not aware of doing anything wrong.
 * You will frequently be asked by users to explain why their page is being deleted - be formal and polite in your approach to them too, even if they are not.
 * Don't review a page if you are not sure what to do. Just leave it for another reviewer.
 * Remember that quality is quintessential to good patrolling. Take your time to patrol each article, there is no rush. Use the message feature and offer basic advice.

08:46:55, 11 April 2018 review of submission by Saeedsafari266
Saeedsafari266 (talk) 08:46, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello dear reviewer You have stated in your comment that the article does not have reliable independent sources. I made some changes and would like to know if are they enough and if not, what are your suggestions to make the article more encyclopedic. Because I have read the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_and_Humanities_in_Medical_Education and don't see more information than provided in the article. In fact I believe much more information is provided in the present draft. Thanks for taking the time to review the article and reply to this message. All the best

Did you ?
Hello The Drover's Wife, first of all: many thanks for your attention and your opinion. Please allow me a question: Did you read the complete section beginning from here or better beginning two steps above from there? Honestly it took me nearly one week of intense work in collecting, understanding and for evaluation of sources. Hm your comment about "foreign editors" made me made me feel a bit concerned - as I am editing from germany ;-) I agree with your opinion that the case was something like a "watershed" and that there are some editors from US which might have their own (local) motivations. Nevertheless, viewing at the article from the encyclopaedic side there are some deficits which need to be corrected. I would be happy to see you and more people from Australia to watch this. Any active help in the article would be even better. Best --Ｔｏｍ (talk) 23:59, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject Portals
The Portals WikiProject has been rebooted.

You are invited to join, and participate in the effort to revitalize and improve the Portal system and all the portals in it.

There are sections on the WikiProject page dedicated to tasks (including WikiGnome tasks too), and areas on the talk page for discussing the improvement and automation of the various features of portals.

Many complaints have been lodged in the RfC to delete all portals, pointing out their various problems. They say that many portals are not maintained, or have fallen out of date, are useless, etc. Many of the !votes indicate that the editors who posted them simply don't believe in the potential of portals anymore.

It's time to change all that. Let's give them reasons to believe in portals, by revitalizing them.

The best response to a deletion nomination is to fix the page that was nominated. The further underway the effort is to improve portals by the time the RfC has run its course, the more of the reasons against portals will no longer apply. RfCs typically run 30 days. There are 19 days left in this one. Let's see how many portals we can update and improve before the RfC is closed, and beyond.

A healthy WikiProject dedicated to supporting and maintaining portals may be the strongest argument of all not to delete.

We may even surprise ourselves and exceed all expectations. Who knows what we will be able to accomplish in what may become the biggest Wikicollaboration in years.

Let's do this.

See ya at the WikiProject!

Sincerely,   &mdash; The Transhumanist   10:24, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Mervyn Lee
First of all, I am so glad I'm not the only one that uses those lists! I'm actually about to do a run through and try to identify some more birth dates of current MPs, but I don't like my chances too much. One day the SA Parliament will get a halfway decent website, but who knows when that will be.

As for Lee (good catch!), I really don't think there's any chances that isn't him, but at the same time I'm not sure we can use it. The Parliamentary Handbook is still showing him as living and unless we can find a direct reference to the ex-MP dying it might be a bit of a stretch. You would think there must be something around, though - I'll certainly have a look and now we know that it's likely to be out there it might be easier to find. Frickeg (talk) 05:34, 24 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Well, I've had a look at all the places I could think of (I'm sure you'd checked most of them already!) and there really doesn't seem to be anything online. I think the best thing to do is put a note on the talk page with what you've found. I suppose we could also write to the Parliamentary Library or even to Joanne Ryan and see if they know anything (presumably if they do they would at least fix the Handbook). Frickeg (talk) 06:05, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Sandy Street
Regarding your trimming of my recent edits of Justice Alexander "Sandy" Street's page: "hugely trimming down the genealogy-cruft - this isn't about Sandy and belongs in Street family if anywhere" - might I ask who exactly his page is supposed to be about?

In any case, I do concur that his mother's family history is perhaps better kept on the family's page, although I disagree with your removal of reference to his British heritage and direct descent from the various Earls. It is only out of good-Wiki-will that I refrain from correcting this omission.

Good day, madame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evabonnier1967 (talk • contribs) 07:59, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Reason Party (Australia) categorisation
re:

Reason Party (Australia) is in, which is an (implicitly) diffusing subcat of , which is a diffusing category of. Could you be more specific about why the article should be directly in ? Mitch Ames (talk) 12:51, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Australia First Party
Hi, I see that the Australia First Party was re-registered as Australia First Party (NSW) Incorporated. I didn't realise they were the same party, sorry for that. In regards to some of the unreferenced claims about factional infighting, I'm going to remove those as they are unsourced and seem to be excessive and unnecessary detail seeing as it's a tiny group of criminals and neo-Nazis who's claims about branches and membership numbers don't stack up. I hope you'll agree that they hardly warrant a detailed account of infighting between members. Bacondrum (talk) 23:04, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for helping fix this page up, much appreciated. Bacondrum (talk) 09:13, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

2017 Melbourne Car Attack
Hi Drover's Wife. Please refrain from reverting my edit regarding the man wearing a blue jacket signalling to the driver of the red car as I have correctly used a citation to a news site. Thanks. I noticed you also appear to be using Twinkle from Miranda to quickly revert but this is illegal according to Wikipedia Policy unless you provide an Edit Summary so the community can see why you reverted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Honestwitness (talk • contribs) 04:15, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much
The RfC discussion to eliminate portals was closed May 12, with the statement "There exists a strong consensus against deleting or even deprecating portals at this time." This was made possible because you and others came to the rescue. Thank you for speaking up.

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NXT
No worries! At this rate they'll both be disqualified later on anyway for, I don't know, owning a strip of grass with a postbox on it or something. Frickeg (talk) 21:45, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Ivan Marusic
Hi The Drover's Wife -- You declined this back in January but the subject is an extremely clear pass of WP:PROF per the two elected fellowships already in the article. Looking at the second reference it adds that he has a named chair, and his Google Scholar citation profile is very strong. Espresso Addict (talk) 13:43, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding quickly. Academics are a bit of an anomaly because AfD goes almost entirely off WP:PROF except in very borderline cases. The depth of sourcing isn't important, as long as material such as chairs, prizes and fellowships can be confirmed. Most of the big academic societies publish complete lists of their fellows online, so verification is usually easy. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 14:23, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

nothing to do with god
Mitch is always well intentioned in his subcat work - rather than an edit summary and getting into an edit war, why not state your case at the WA noticeboard, then it doesnt become personal - but a general discussion - it would be a good idea. JarrahTree 00:48, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

If you keep reverting without going to the talk page, I think you are placing yourself in jeopardy. cheers JarrahTree 00:55, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, your WP:AGF response at my talk page is really appreciated. I have a particularly bad history with mitch and subcats, and made even the worse by the watching the now blocked machine head User:Wwikix almost single handedly re arrange the whole of wikipedia. I do think that the whole category policy/overview has had its time - and needs revisiting, but usually what happens is they get someone to do a project - and nothing eventuates.

To be honest I am at a bit of a walk away stage with subcats - due to the reverse - overcat here and on commons - where child parent and grandparent cats are included to promote something - the balance has not been found imho. JarrahTree 01:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

And if you feel threatened - hey there is simply the requirement that from an outsiders point of view it looks like the beginning of an edit war - and there is a need to make sure those involved are aware that an outsider would see a WP:3RR issue arising - I have met you and mitch in real life - and I have respect for the work you both do - I am more concerned what an uninvolved outside might make of it all. JarrahTree 01:14, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Hmmm, I have real life looming - this discussion is important and I appreciate your good faith response - hey, there could be a very very good idea to have further discussion down the line. G'day for the moment. JarrahTree 01:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)


 * WP:SUBCAT is a well-established MOS guideline. If you disagree, with it, propose a change to it on the talk page.
 * If you want a category to be all-inclusive and/or a subcategory to be non-diffusing, then add the All included and/or Non-diffusing subcategory templates – that's what they are for, and that's why WP:DUPCAT says "Non-diffusing subcategories should be identified with a template".
 * The default method for categorisation is SUBCAT's "no duplication" rule. If you want to invoke one of the exceptions, that's fine, but I suggest that the onus is on the editor(s) wanting an exception to the general rule to clearly indicate that intent by using the templates provided for the purpose. I don't think it's reasonable to expect an editor to check hundreds of articles in dozens of categories to determine that "every suburb of Perth is in the parent". Mitch Ames (talk) 13:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Melbourne Wikimeetup (June/July)
Hi, I've just made a doodle poll to vote on the best date for the next Wikimeetup in Melbourne (Beer Deluxe, Fed Square). Would be great to see you there. T.Shafee(Evo &#38; Evo)talk 12:21, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Date of meetup decided: T.Shafee(Evo &#38; Evo)talk 01:18, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * When: 6-8pm, Sunday 8 July 2018
 * Where: Beer DeLuxe, Flinders St

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Helping the reader?
Hi there,

Re your edits to 443 Queen Street, Brisbane: could you please explain to me how you adding the citation in the edit summary –as opposed to adequately citing it within the article itself– allows the reader to know whether the content is reliable and verifiable? Thanks, —MelbourneStar ☆ talk 05:34, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Forum Alpbach Network
Dear Drover's Wife! The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Forum_Alpbach_Network exists since the end of the second World War, but got most attention in the past 2 decades. It is a huge network of almost 20000 former scholarship holders from all over the world. The history is truthfully embedded and I added articles from 3rd parties, such as national and international newspapers reporting about it. There is still lots to do to finalize it and to get additional people on board to cover earlier stages of the network and keep it up to date. But it should be published in order to get the drive and motivate the correct people to research and tell the historic truth and facts of their period. Thank You for checking it and letting me know, what is missing and otherwise please take it online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giopur (talk • contribs) 08:42, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

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Your recent edit changed a WikiProject Conservatism banner at Philip Ruddock. WikiProject banners are the sole responsibility of the project. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as your removal of this banner has been reverted by a project member. Note that placement of the WikiProject Conservatism banner does not imply that the subject is conservative nor right-wing. For more information see the Assessment FAQ. Feel free to contact the member who placed the banner, or post a message at the project talk page. Thank you. '' He was both the Father of the House and the Father of the Parliament from 1998 to his retirement. He is the second longest-serving parliamentarian in the history of the Australian Parliament'' – Lionel(talk) 11:37, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Saumarez Homestead
Cheers for your massive expansion of Saumarez Homestead. It was certainly a pleasant surprise. Have you been working on this expansion for a while? Many thanks in any case. I've got several images around the grounds of Saumarez Homestead that I took in 2014. I've uploaded one of Mary's Garden. I might get around to uploading more later as the article is now big enough to justify several images. :) Freikorp (talk) 12:21, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi there The Drover&#39;s Wife, I've gone over your additions to Saumarez Homestead and made a start on a clean up, especially the use of ibid. in the references. It needs more work on cleaning up the refs and peters some tightening of phrasing. I've been using the convert on all measurements, too..... Cheers.
 * Freikorp, please let us know if you'd like to assist with rolling out articles for all NSW State Heritage Register places in New South Wales. Rangasyd (talk) 15:42, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Victorian state election, 2018
I don't know much about Australian politics, but the edit I reverted listed a former leader of the Victoria Greens, not the current one. The anon has been "extending" the time in office of various politicians from both Australia and New Zealand.- gadfium 04:27, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

The Spectator
I don't see anything to back up your view that the Spectstor is fringe and therefore unreliable. Could you provide proof of this in the clementine ford talk page? --1.136.104.203 (talk) 08:51, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Kinchega Woolshed
Thanks for your correction of my disambiguation at Kinchega Woolshed but you have left a malformed link Cooper's Creek .&mdash; Rod talk 12:05, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * But I didn't know whether it should be: Cooper Creek, Coopers Creek or Copper Creek so thanks for fixing it.&mdash; Rod talk 12:12, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

John Whitton Bridge and Meadowbank Rail Bridge over Parramatta River
These should be merged.--Grahame (talk) 07:30, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I was surprised at the effort gone to to delete the useful infobox, but it's quite well done. Dave Rave (talk) 02:42, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Tim Hammond
Seems to be some confusion, he did indeed resign subsequent to the others. He only announced the resignation a week earlier. re. Onetwothreeip (talk) 01:52, 30 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Speaker accepted Perth resignation 10 May, and Mayo resignation 11 May. But why use incorrect superfluous words that don't add anything? Brevity is key. Timeshift (talk) 02:03, 30 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Replied at Timeshift9's talk page. Onetwothreeip (talk) 03:01, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the book
Oooh, thank you for the link to the NT book! Always good to have another reference as I'm noticing a few gaps and errors in the sources, so it's great to have another to compare and check against. --Canley (talk) 12:05, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

David Lleyonhjelm edit
Hi there, looks like you might not be aware of how we edit wiki pages around here. Not to worry, I'll give you a run down!

Articles are supposed to express fact, not an opinion of the author. The edit you made of the [PAGE ABOVE] seemed to imply an opinion, rather than stating fact.

A good rule to think of is 'Does this need to be changed, or am I just angry?' That, and count to 10 (my favourite!) and you should be able to figure it out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.26.73 (talk) 14:39, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

--Hey there, you edited the article again, (GOOD FOR YOU!). You might want to read to wikipedia editor's entry, which says; you DON'T add your own commentary to ads. PLEASE remeber, just because you hate the person you are writing about, doesn't mean you are not gay .... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.26.73 (talk) 16:30, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

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homestead
Hi I made a change to your Courango?? homestead article, identifying the "Port Phillip Pines". However, my source was an email from the NSW Office of Environment and Heritage.... (Should I put the email into commons???) MargaretRDonald (talk) 06:43, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red
Hi, just curious about this revert. Is this a known troll? In situations like this, I find it's better just to rebuke the editor's arguments factually. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:30, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Strike that, it is. Good revert. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:24, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Reverted content Greens
Hi I am happy to discuss with you the reasoning of placing the greens political spectrum as Left to hard left and why the evidence supports they are by no means center. Dr pragmatists (talk) 07:27, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Sherry Sufi
Hi there, I've had a look at the article submitted by Bathurst87: Sherry Sufi that was declined.

Given that we have articles such Karina Okotel and Avi Yemini, who have similarities with Sufi in regards to being right-wing former or prospective candidates who have a public profile, hold political positions, and were featured in interviews and write opinion pieces. Due to this I believe the article is sufficiently notable, and have resubmitted it for review

Judeti (talk) 11:38, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, it might be helpful to understand that Wikipedia generally does not accept the argument "something similar exists" (see Other stuff exists) in considering notability of new articles. My opinion (for what it's worth) is that there is no clear claim to notability here; it's a article with "a bit of this and a bit of that". This is demonstrated by the first sentence "Australian Political Commentator, Editor, Research Academic and Columnist." It is unclear whether we are to assess him as a commentator, editor, etc. What's he best known for? If you called out "who's Sherry Sufi?" in a crowded room (not the WA Liberal Party Policy committee room!), what would most people say "Oh, he's that guy who is/did SuchAndSuch". The SuchAndSuch is what's missing in the article. To pass Article for Creation, an article doesn't have to be very long (a common misbelief) but the claim to notability needs to be clearly stated in the first paragraph and supported by citations specific to that claim. You really only need that first paragraph to make the case for notability. I suspect that Sherry Sufi is someone with potential to become better known in the future, at which time he is likely to pass notability in relation to Wikipedia. It may just be a case of "a bit too soon" And, there is one other thing I should mention and that is Wikipedia's Conflict of Interest policy. Specifically, if you happen to have any association with the Liberal Party, it's probably not appropriate to be lobbying for the acceptance of the Sherry Sufi draft. Kerry (talk) 14:43, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


 * The subject is notable. There are more than 30 references from mainstream news papers and websites including The Australian, The West Australian The Sydney Morning Herald, SBS, ABC News, Sky News Australia and The Guardian. These are not casual one line mentions, they are dedicated news stories entirely focussed on the subject. The subject was elevated to national spotlight at 2016 federal election after a string of controversies. I never brought up the "something similar exists" argument but I'm curious why isn't that an acceptable argument? Do we not care about consistency. Either way the article has been updated in line with your recommendation. Good to publish.  BT


 * Wikipedia has a long history of deleting failed electoral candidates of all political persuasions, per Notability_(people). There will be a "national spotlight" on many candidates during any campaign, but that's held to be not notable enough for an article unless they are also notable for something else. This is, if anything, stronger where people are only known for controversies during that one failed candidacy, as per our policy on biographies of living persons. Sufi doesn't appear to get past that: he's a failed candidate who wrote a few opinion pieces, and has a few very tangential references in other stories due to being a minor party official. It is a shame because it's a well-written article - just on a subject who doesn't appear to be, at present, notable enough. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 19:25, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

This subject is more than notable and should be on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RachelMcManus (talk • contribs) 18:32, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

About article of Design Up
Greetings, Last time you have rejected the article, Is there any way I can get my draft reviewed before submitting. Please help me here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Govindduc (talk • contribs) 16:12, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding you
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. See LINK DCBarrow (talk) 06:11, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Comments at the beginning of articles you created.
I see you have put a comment at the top of several articles like this one:

What's this for? Can/should it be removed?

Aisteco (talk) 00:30, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah! I see. Thanks for the reply.
 * Aisteco (talk) 01:05, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Aisteco (talk) 01:05, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

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Emma Husar
I have opened a case at the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Emma_Husar Please comment there.Merphee (talk) 04:40, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to sincerely thank you for your reasonable and civil comments to me about my editing and interactions with other editors. When I have been wrong I have accepted it immediately and moved on. I think editing biographies of living persons is quite tricky and I appreciate your direction as I learn the ropes. I also appreciate how you have done it in a non hurtful way unlike a couple of other editors I have been dealing with who have constantly belittled me. You are a very good editor and an asset to Wikipedia.Merphee (talk) 01:44, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Obviously as an experienced editor here I am wondering what I should do regarding comments like this? Merphee (talk) 03:14, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Possible problem with the NSW State Heritage Register
Hi, Thanks for creating articles using the NSW State Heritage Register. Not sure if you noticed, but I spotted a problem with the way the material on Braidwood used the word 'settlement' and 'settlers'. As I understand it, the entries are written by different people/companies/organisations, so this probably isn't a systematic issue, but it might be something to look out for. I keep meaning to do a day trip to Braidwood to improve Commons surprisingly poor coverage of the town BTW - maybe when the weather warms up a bit! Regards, Nick-D (talk) 04:17, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Richard Denniss
I'm too busy at the moment but the inclusion of that quote from the Saturday Paper is an obvious NPOV violation and the red-flagged editor reverting edits is flying very close to the three reverts rule. I'll contest that change when I have more time Gumsaint (talk) 00:26, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Australian Coal and Shale Employees' Federation
Hi, your article on the Miner's Federation looks to be a good start. I think it'd take a very long article to do the subject justice, given the union's long history and key role in Australian industrial and political history - but at least there's no shortage of published sources. Personally, I try to avoid using contemporaneous newspaper articles (it feels a bit too much like original research for my liking), but that's only a preference. I'll try to help out on the article when I can.Warrenjs1 (talk) 13:30, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

The source/s

 * Forde, Francis Michael (Frank) (1890–1983) Following Curtin’s death in July 1945, Forde was prime minister from 6 to 13 July, but caucus soundly rejected him as a permanent leader in favour of the more charismatic Ben Chifley.
 * Frank Forde As Deputy Prime Minister, Forde took over as Prime Minister on Curtin’s death. He held the position for eight days, 6–13 July 1945, in a caretaker capacity, until the federal parliamentary Labor Party elected JB Chifley instead. As Deputy Leader of the party, Forde was bypassed twice for the leadership, in 1934 and 1945, when Curtin and Chifley respectively became the leaders.

To which the other editor, on my talk page, agreed that Forde was in fact interim. Mind you, this was correctly status quo in that article/list for years, and you've undone that. Regards, —<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b> ☆ <sup style="color:#407">talk 10:37, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Further: I believe you may be unintentionally confusing the issue as indicated by your edit summary: my edit (nor the other editor's edit) disputes Forde as being PM; he was. But he certainly was not elected Labor leader. By being deputy, and with Curtin's death, Forde was temporarily elevated to the position — at which point a new leader was elected seven days later. —<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b> ☆ <sup style="color:#407">talk 10:42, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


 * So I see that you’ve been editing elsewhere and haven’t responded to the post above (not quite sure why you’d do that considering you undid my edit citing a reason, which surely, if you went to the effort of undoing the edit you’d be happy to elaborate further...). Anyway, I’ve gone and undone your edit but also added a citation too. Hope that suffices. Regards, —<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b> ☆ <sup style="color:#407">talk 15:15, 21 August 2018 (UTC)