User talk:The Rationalist/What the Bleep

Hi Rationalist. Just wanted to say good work and as to your comment that the film is about the occult - and not metaphysics - I completely agree. However, my experience elsewhere in wiki regarding similar occult labels is that it will not be accepted - despite the fact that it is a correct definition. This seems to be due to a self perception of certain new age and religious groups that what they are doing is not simply "old fashioned" variations of sigil.ceremonial magic. Instead, they have some desperate desire to remove themselves from any such abstract terms as "magic" and try to rationalize their beliefs using "science" - no matter how distorted and deluded this interpretation of "science" is. This is especially so in certain organized groups where they are seeking new members - often with some sort of "membership fee" involved.

The truth is that the ideas expressed in WTBDWK - or at least the ways for changing reality are very little different form some of those put forward by modern Chaos magicians - although this group would maintain that any use of distorted "quantum physics" was little more then a useful way by some of increasing their belief in effectiveness of their "spells" and not to be taken "seriously".

But alas, those fringe loonies to be found in many - if not all - universities will never admit this.

Really2012back (talk) 22:03, 23 February 2008 (UTC) Good luck

Post Script. Oddly after writing the above I noticed your quote from the producers in response to one critic - I assume an American one - Ebert.

Its odd that they mention here to "philosophical" traditions either grounded in ceremonial magic or have heavily influenced it: Theosophy and Kabballah. Kabballah is most certainly a "magical" tradition - or at least it has developed into one and both it and Blavatsky's Theosophy have/continue to influence western "magical" traditions such as the Golden Dawn and Crowley's OTO - and its offshoots.

This might be used to support any argument that this is indeed about the occult - not metapyshics. Really2012back (talk) 22:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)