User talk:The Tom/Archive 3

Colour template questions
Hi; got your message on the Edit Summary on the colour templates table; I realize now I just should have copy-cut out the attempted table expansion I made; I gather it wouldn't work because the colour templates hadn't been created; I was trying to figure out how to do that when I had to leave (real-world engagements). What's the deal with colour templates; I tried looking "inside" one and there's no data concerning the colour choice; how do I create one?Skookum1 01:58, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

followup
I managed to create the colour templates; don't understand why some of them don't work, e.g. "Oppposition" (abbrev. "Opp"); its counterpart Government/Gov works just fine (even if it is a treacly shade of turquoise). Any idea why they won't work? Won't revise available colour table until I know why/wherefore - but my previous changes would work now; used Victoria City (provincial electoral district) as a test case.Skookum1 03:02, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Kenneth Montgomery Keillor
You may be interested to know that an article which you (among many others) deleted was re-created and is now up as an afd. --maclean25 00:27, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

ITN
Hello, The Tom. I can find no updated material regarding the extension of the provisions of the Kyoto Protocol to 2012 at the Conference on the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change page, not on the United Nations Climate Change Conference page, not on the Kyoto Protocol page, and not on Current events. So I removed the blurb from ITN for violating Criteria #1 and #4 as detailed on In the news section on the Main Page. It's rather frustrating and disappointing to see sth new and exciting on the MainPage, but can't find the relevant information after clicking the bolded links on ITN. Please re-post the headline on ITN after the relevant pages have been adequately updated. Thank you. -- PFHLai 22:01, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Prime minister?
What the heck were you thinking moving Prime Minister to Prime minister? I presume it was simply a mistake and that you weren't trying to make Wikipedia look illiterate. When next? United states? pOPE? Queen elizabeth ii? President oF tHe UniTed STaTeS??? FearÉIREANN \(caint) 00:34, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

not accurate, Tom. It is both a common noun and a proper noun, depending on whether it is used generically or with a specific reference. Both upper casing or both lowercasing are standard, but usually the former except in American English. But as WP doesn't allow the first word in the article to be lower cased you simply cannot put an article at a semi-literate Prime minister. WP policy is not to do that. If a two or more word title is all upper cased or all lowercased, WP uses all upper cased since it can't do all lowercased for technical reasons and a mixture of both produces a ridiculous title. Please be more careful. :p FearÉIREANN \(caint)  01:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * That is not how titles have been used in thousands of historical and political science articles. If the article was entered as Prime minister Wikipedia would be an instant international laughing stock. It would be semi-literate garbage. FearÉIREANN [[Image:Map of Ireland's capitals.png|15px]]\(caint)  21:44, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Do what you wish. It won't change what has been the form used for three years on those articles. The last time one user tried to move political and historical articles to illiterate semi-capitalised forms they were overwhelmingly blocked by the WP community. FearÉIREANN \(caint) 22:10, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Chart
The Chart is allright, but it is to broad to fit good in page. Furthermore I would label Self Defense and Chr.Soc.P. Switzerland as left wing parties. Electionworld 18:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC) I meant: not label. It think the SCP is comparable with the Dutch ChristenUnie, which is in the eocnomic spectrum quite left-wing, but combinbes it with right wing positions on ethical isues. The Self Defense might have a populist left-wing economic programme, but is at the same time nationalist and as far as I know right-wing in cultural and ethical questions. Compare Axisglobe Electionworld 21:12, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Image:National Security Agency seal.png
For images from Commons, please remember to use the c-uploaded procedure, uploading it locally and then protecting it and putting the tag on. Thanks.--Pharos 00:39, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

BC Liberals colour
Just to let you know I changed the colour you chose for the BC Liberals designation in the Electoral Districts pages/tables; red-hued is traditional for Liberal parties so I made a different shade of red. Dark colours don't work on the table; you used black, or near-black, for mourning or something? Too political in that case. Also, FYI the usefulness of that designation, to me, is for the post-1991 period; the old-guard BC Liberals before that I've still got as the old "Liberal" colour tag; same as with the distinction between old-Conservative, the MacDonald Conservatives (for which Progressive Conservatives is the colour-template) and the old BC Conservatives (who I've used the Conservative template for); or the distinction between Social Credit pre-1952 and post-1952 "BC Social Credit".Skookum1 02:50, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Kerry Packer on WP:ITN
Do you even know who he is? - Ta bu shi da yu 03:22, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I must protest! You rolled me back, you have not responded to me, and you have not noted your objection on the talk page. What are you doing?!- Ta bu shi da yu 03:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * "A death should only be placed on ITN if it meets one of two criteria: (1) the funeral ceremony merits its own article or (2) the death has a major impact on current events. The modification or creation of multiple articles to take into account the ramifications of a death is a sign that it meets Criteria 2." It is having an impact on current events. But anyway, thank you for taking the time to reply. It would have been nicer had you added a note to the talk page: it might have stopped the revert war, and that is what this is there for. It's also common courtesy to do this. I have reverted out my change. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:32, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, just remember to use the talk page, that's all I ask! - Ta bu shi da yu 03:33, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * OK... look, I'm just annoyed that Packer can't be on the template. Trust me, the news is that big in Australia that almost every paper has half of its copy devoted to the man. His impact in Australia cannot be measured, he has been that signficant. Arguably, the man was more powerful that John Howard - he could manipulate things they way he wanted through his papers. The 2nd criteria in that guideline is an "or" proposition. IMO, the news is that significant to warrant inclusion into the template. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:43, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Apologies
Sorry for getting snotty at you yesterday. I was out of line! I didn't realise it at the time, but now I look at what I wrote it seems quite inappropriate. So sorry about that... - Ta bu shi da yu 01:00, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:Canadian_federal_election%2C_1984/on-o
Hi, I noticed you created the above template when I was working through the | wiki syntax fixing project and it doesn't, to me, look like it's supposed to be a template. Can you advise on the status of this page? Kcordina 14:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your explanation. Kcordina 09:57, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Elections template
Would you mind commenting at Template talk:Elections in Canada? I'm not sure if we are both on the same page or not and which format is better. - Jord 16:20, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Indeed, in most countries actually, I know it matches Germany, U.S. and Sweden as well. I was in the process of moving it to the bottom but only get 1867, 1872 & 74 before I threw in the towel.  It was late at the time. - Jord 02:08, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Election result
I changed the template for the last Canadian election result. It was made conform the general layout of election results used in WIkipedia for countries around the world. I do not mind the Canadia layout, but would certainly like to have the full party names in. Electionworld 23:01, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Liberal Democrats move
Hi, why did you move Liberal Democrats to Liberal Democrats (UK)? The (UK) at the end seems to have no purpose, unless you are considering turning Liberal Democrats into a disambiguation page. Talrias (t | e | c) 19:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. My main concern was consistency and link volume... far more pages (in the order of hundreds more) linked to the page via the ...(UK) redirect than the main namespace, and because Labour and the Tories already have the ...(UK), there exists a certain assumption on the part of editors to continue sticking it in on account of consistency.  There's also the fact that while technically there's only one well-known organisation called the "Liberal Democrats" at present, there're no shortage of other valid uses of "Liberal Democrat/liberal Democrat/liberal democrat" out there at the moment.  I'd see the preponderance of British links to an undisambiguated form of "liberal Democrat" as evident of systemic bias, to an extent, anyway.  I'm actually also somewhat surprised there aren't more references out there to "Liberal Democrat" in the American sense, as it's fairly commonly used over there to refer to a distinct political movement. The Tom 21:11, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Table of political parties in Europe by pancontinental organisation
Could you please restore the romanic alphabet abbr. of the parties: the new abbr. cannot be read in either IE or Fireforx. Electionworld 23:01, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * They can, if you have the correct fonts installed. Which you should. &mdash; Nightstallion (?) 07:18, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, to be fair to both of you, I managed to muck up the unicode after initially adding them when I dumped the contents into a text editor for a find-replace.  They should work more broadly now. The Tom 09:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks for fixing this. That's what I get for copying from one article to another. -- Netoholic @ 21:08, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Bloc
According to the Bloc's English abstract, "Thankfully, here it's the Bloc", is the correct English translation of the pary's slogan. Ground Zero | t 21:41, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Template:Canadian federal election, 2006
I have started a poll on using full party names or short forms on this template. Please vote at Talk:Canadian federal election, 2006. Thanks. Ground Zero | t 23:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Lib convention 2006
I think that it is a bit POV to break the list up the way you have as some of the names could easily fit into either column. I know the list was long but it will soon filter out as it is highly unlikely that all will run for leader. - Jord 21:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Upon further examination of the list, the only contencious one is Maurizio Bevilacqua -- though he certainly ought not be listed under the Martin column, I don't think that the Chretien column is appropriate either. He was a strong Martin supporter (was the first MP to endorse Martin for the 1990 race) and was never closely associated with Chretien and only played a junior role in the Chretien Ministry. - Jord 21:12, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I see you went in to add some references but did not add complete ones - you may want to go back and check that ;) - Jord 21:36, 29 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, I didn't see that - when you see those references one usually expects end notes. - Jord 21:44, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Muhammad Drawings
Woohookitty unprotected the page based on a misunderstanding of policy. He said that "we do NOT protect pages linked from main page", but in fact he is incorrect. The policy on page protection says we should only do so when necessary, and many of us believe that it is now necessary. I have informed Woohookitty that he has misunderstood the applicable policy here. Please restore the semiprotection. Thanks. Babajobu 07:57, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I've done 400 protections and unprotections. I wish people would look up my history before saying things like I misunderstand the policy. Splash unprotected the page. I unprotected the page. RexNL unprotected the page. All with the same reason. Do we all misunderstand the policy? I think not. Anyway, make your arguments on RfPP. We seem to have a protection war going on here. I have 2 problems with protection. #1 we do not protect pages linked from the main page. And #2 this is an edit war as much as it's a case of vandalism. If you want to protect it, full protect it. I don't think either protection is good, but full is much more justifiable here than semi. Many of the IP edits I've seen have been perfectly valid. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 10:00, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikimedia Canada
Hi there! I'd like to invite you to explore Wikimedia Canada, and create a list of people interested in forming a local chapter for our nation. A local chapter will help promote and improve the organization, within our great nation. We'd also like to encourage everyone to suggest projects for our national chapter to participate in. Hope to see you there!--DarkEvil 17:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to the UK Scouting template
I see you edited User:Bduke/workshop/Template:TSAUKbydiv to replace by Northern Ireland. Could you explain why? Currently they give the same result, but I think that if a flag is put somewhere for Northern Ireland, will show it as it does for the other parts of the UK. BTW, I will soon put this in the Template space along with the one for Canada. A UK editor is working on it and will add the English counties soon. An editor who just quit WP left it with me for safe keeping. --Bduke 22:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * OK. Let's leave it as is. I thought was not showing any flag, but it might show the "Prot" one sometime. I am about to move this template to Template:Scouts UK Counties and the Canada one to Template:Scouts Canada Provinces. --Bduke 23:44, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

European United Left - Nordic Green Left table
Hi. You added a table for the parties to the European United Left - Nordic Green Left article a year ago. I (and someone else on the discussion page of the article) don't understand what the diferent colours of the background mean. Could you explain it, please? Thank you. Cattus 21:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Canadian election maps
Sure, it would be reasonably easy for me to carve up the national election map into the suggested regions. I'll work on it sometime in the next few weeks. -Kmf164 ( talk | contribs ) 02:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page/Draft
Chief Seattle is a user who previously removed the article count. He/she noted that non-native English readers might not understand the phrase " articles and counting" (which doesn't apply to your version), and that including this information in the header "implies that Wikipedia emphasizes quantity, not quality." I tend to agree.

You've repeatedly mentioned that the phrase "the free encyclopedia" is in the upper left-hand corner, but that's true only in four of the skins. Here's what the page looks like in the other three skins:


 * Simple
 * MySkin
 * Chick

&mdash;David Levy 17:58, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Would you care to respond to the above? &mdash;David Levy 20:40, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

re Non-Inscrits
Hi, I saw that you reverted my changes. Why? Intangible 17:30, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added a reply to my talk page. Intangible 15:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

colours of Austrian parties
Thanks alot for adding the colours to the infoboxes on Austrian parties, I was trying to figure it out the whole time but just couldn't. good work. with kind regards Gryffindor  20:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Liberal Party
Much better. Thanks. HistoryBA 19:35, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for all your work on the Liberal leadership article. I had assumed that better sources existed for most and that's why I only complained about Cotler. I just hadn't bothered to put in as much effort as you have. Thanks again. --JGGardiner 00:40, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

ArtSci
I tried for a little better NPOV on that article. If we disagree, lets talk it over next week in MUSC 201. Joey FullSmash26 03:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

hi and hic
i am one of the supporters at Template:User Alcohol-4 you created as i am addict to ethanol contain product as well. i notice that you change back *hic* to hi, i personally think that *hic* is a world that describe the wording of someone is drunk... but anyway this is just my PoV and you are the creator of the template.. so it is up to your view... GSPbeetle complains Vandalisms 12:04, 21 February 2006 (UTC)