User talk:The Toven

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September 2012
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Your submission at Articles for creation
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Your submission at Articles for creation
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 * Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Sionk (talk) 18:17, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

In general, a person or organization added to a list, as on Southeast San Diego, should have a pre-existing article to establish notability. If you wish to create such an article, please confirm that your subject is notable according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you. Dawnseeker2000  20:42, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Mabeenot (talk) 22:57, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Incident Discussion
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is The Toven. Thank you. -Mabeenot (talk) 00:25, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Please make sure talk messages are signed and don't present themselves as other users' words
I've reverted this edit you made to User talk:Snowysusan today. The problem is that it gives the appearance that the message is from User:Sionk, when it is not.

the bottom have of the message is in user sionks exact words.this was posted on his talk page untill he deleted it earlier today i assuer you!look at the time it was updated and follow our thread of communications for conformation. it was us who pointed out his own comments to him today unbenounced to us he deleted it and changed the wording. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Toven (talk • contribs)

When commenting on talk pages, please sign your messages by adding four tildes to the end of the message. Talk pages are a record of discussion: the comments should flow in chronological order, and they should be signed so the contributor is easily identified. —C.Fred (talk) 00:57, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on other people again, as you did at User_talk:Sionk, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Osarius - Want a chat? 16:15, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't ask for this warnig to be made, but your actions probably made it inevitable someone would do so. Several editors have tried to give you advice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject San Diego and Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Toven. In return you dismiss everyone as biased. It won't help your article or win any friends with that approach, sorry. Sionk (talk) 18:32, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

You have been blocked temporarily from editing for editing disruptively, ignoring both advice and Wikipedia policies,and repeatedly abusing other editors in your continued campaign to create articles on topics related to yourself where you cannot demonstrate notability. In order to continue editing, you will need to confirm that you understand wikipedia's editing policies and intend to abide by them and stop abusing other editors. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Elen of the Roads (talk) 22:58, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Before requesting to be unblocked, you should read WP:No legal threats. Threats of legal action are specifically disallowed on Wikipedia. This comment would have been grounds for your account to be blocked, had Elen not already blocked it. —C.Fred (talk) 23:45, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, when somebody posts on your talk page, you get a great honking orange banner at the top of every page until you read it; and posting of warnings on your talk page is done because, well, that's where they go - he wasn't, after all, warning himself. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:39, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * In any case, he didn't post a warning on this page, it was somebody else. Sionk (talk) 16:52, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

thank you.User Sionk placed a final warning deceptivly on our talk page in the middle of communications while we were on his talk page.then simotaneously administrator elln of the roads blocked us a users.a dignified individual should check the time line and seek to confirm this


 * So I'm deceptive now, as well as anal and biased? Read my lips - I did not place a warning on your page, or mine. In fact I specifically say above, under Osarius's warning, that the warning was not made by me. You're not doing yourself any favours by personalising this issue. Please just drop it! Sionk (talk) 18:07, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

that opinion may have been formed prior to the warning for other reasons your fully aware of. either way we were blindsided by the "official last warning"


 * Did it occur to you that there are multiple reasons why you have been blocked? C.Fred mentioned earlier on this page that making any form of legal threat is grounds for indefinite blocking, even in the absence of any other problematic behavior. You can read why at that link, but the fact is none of your appeals would have been reviewed until your threat was retracted. As it is, reposting essentially the same unblock request repeatedly will not work - you need to demonstrate that you understand why you were blocked and what you will do to avoid such conduct in the future. Hers fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 20:03, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

we have done that above in preveuos request above.


 * I might also point out that there is no such person on Wikipedia as "ellen of the roads". - The Bushranger One ping only 21:40, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

elen of the roads []

salute to the master bushranger for being so highly decorated we dont want any problems with you if you cant beat it you gotta join it we want to get on your good side and learn from the best.we have to run now and get back to watching a great cowboy's and indian's movie!


 * You indicate that you are willing to comply with the guidelines pertaining to editing. As demonstration of that willingness, and of your ability to abide by editing guidelines, please find an already existing article (not a title in Articles for creation) and answer these questions:
 * What improvement would you make to the article if you were unblocked?
 * What reliable source supports the change you would make?
 * Please reply directly below this message (not inside an unblock template). You must sign your message. It's harsh, but failure to sign amounts to evidence that you can't follow suggestions and guidelines. This administrator awaits your reply. —C.Fred (talk) 00:16, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

we would be happy to however we are confused.Please verify weather or not you are a actual administrator before we continue.


 * List of administrators/A-F. Now, signing your messages has been explained at least twice, plus it's below the edit box every time you edit a page. Got that part of it? —C.Fred (talk) 01:11, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

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Mount Hope, San Diego

we would improve and add more value to this article by adding photos,and notable residents among other things.it seems to have been rather neglected.

one reliable source would be the city counsel member in charge of the 4th district Tony Young others include community leaders and ironically the source of the article of creations for The Toven which we have created as he was raised in the heart of Mount Hope.—nowritersblock 01:45, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * To clarify, I meant secondary sources. Primary sources can only be cited in limited situations; a city councillor is only a reliable source for certain items about the council and the city. —C.Fred (talk) 01:57, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

the union tribune,county records,or local news media —nowritersblock 02:04, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Help Hello? This user has unusually been awaiting a response from user C.Fred for 4 days nownowritersblock 21:30, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry for not responding. I agreed with Yunshui's assessment above and didn't think I needed to comment further. —C.Fred (talk) 04:08, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

response

Yunshui's response was at 9:04 long before you began asking your series of questions you began asking us therefore how could you have agreed? your last question/comment was this below at 1:57 pm:


 * To clarify, I meant secondary sources. Primary sources can only be cited in limited situations; a city councillor is only a reliable source for certain items about the council and the city. —C.Fred (talk) 01:57, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

if you agreed with Yunshui's comment not posted in a sequential order(as you suggested in a preveous post)why did you mislead by continuing to ask question was that by any means a standard of wiki administrators? do you consider this appropriate treatment towards this user?

as demonstrated in post later that day a additional adminstrator continued to ask questions-nowritersblock 15:19, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Please recheck the timestamps in question: My comment was at 01:57, over seven hours before Yunshui's decline of your unblock request at 09:04. —C.Fred (talk) 23:11, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

which proves my point how could you have agreed with that user before his comment was posted weryou using your own or his opinion?your actions are in excusable you went backwards they will be addressednowritersblock 23:46, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Let's try this again. You asked why I had not made any further comments. I hadn't because, when I saw Yunshui's comment, I thought it covered the matter entirely. Thus, when you asked four days later why I hadn't replied, I said I didn't think I needed to, that Yunshui covered the matter.


 * I'll now be blunt. I'm done with discussions here. I endorse the indefinite block of this account, and I'm no longer willing to discuss ways you could get unblocked. —C.Fred (talk) 00:25, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Who is "we"?
For the sake of full disclosure, as I do not see this answered elsewhere on your talk page: can you clarify why you consistently use the pronoun "we" to refer to yourself? -- Kinu  t/c 03:29, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

we would prefer to stick to the above thread with C.Fred as we wait for a response regarding our block as well as the much needed task of improving the above mentioned article which has been long neglected.

Rather than starting a whole new page or topic about what "we" means here is our response to the your inquiry.we mean nowritersblock,me,myself,and i,or "we" as in we the american people.sorry did using the word "we" break a rule? is a signed response or edit not adequate for editors or administrators? we also began using this term to protect ourselves from the many unfounded accusations from wiki editors of being the source or of creating articles about ourself hence(articles of creation for The Toven).

we would be happy to use the word "i" if using the word "we"violates policy we hereby kindly revert back to the above thread with C.Fred and have no further comments regarding this topic untill our underlying issues have been dealt with— nowritersblock 04:09, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * To be frank, I'm not understanding what you're saying. Is "we" in this context simply the use of a plural pronoun to refer to one individual (similar to the majestic plural)? If it is not and there and there are multiple individuals using this account, please note that this is prohibited by policy. Thus, clarifying your statement is in fact very relevant to the unblock request you have posted and your response seems necessary here. -- Kinu  t/c 04:53, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

no multiple users.One human being Kinu —nowritersblock 05:25, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Help Hello? This user has unusually been awaiting a response from user Kinu for 4 days nownowritersblock 21:29, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Getting Unblocked
Hi Toven. I know you're pretty upset about being blocked. If you want to get unblocked, there are a few key things you'll need to understand/work on. Every blue link you see below links to an associated policy or guideline. Take the time to read them; I'm only going to cover the basics to try and help you understand WHY you were blocked and what you work on.


 * Battlefield mentality - Nobody is trying to bash you or your music. We have guidelines as to what is and isn't notable. The broadest test is put forth in the general notability guidelines. There are more specific notability guidelines that apply, including musician notability guidelines, but GNG is usually the big one. When the articles you tried creating were denied, it was because the sources don't carry enough weight to stand the test of GNG. Reading up on reliable sources should tell you what to look for when trying to pull up a source.


 * Promotion - Wikipedia is not meant for promotion. You yelled at Sionk because you felt he is keeping the word of MDM from being spread. Wikipedia isn't the place to try and build up hype about an artist or an album/mixtape. If you plan on getting unblocked, you need to start thinking about areas you could contribute constructive material to. I saw you say that you wanted to work on the Mount Hope article. That's great, but the information would have to be verifiable. Maybe one day you'll blow up and be bigger than any other artist, but Wikipedia isn't a crystal ball. We can't see the future.


 * Personal Attacks - You can't be attacking other editors, like you have done to Sionk, C. Fred, Wywin, and others. Assuming good faith with other editors will get you far. Like I already stated, nobody is trying to put down you or your music. They're saying that the information isn't notable. When responding to others, don't get upset if you're told no. Work on the advice they give you, but realize that sometimes there is nothing you can do. If the information can't be reliably sources, then your best bet is just to let it be.

I know this is a lot of stuff to look over, but if you're serious about getting unblocked and becoming a productive editor on Wikipedia then these guidelines/policies will really help you out. I'll be watching your page, so if you have any questions, feel free to leave them here and I'll get back to you.  Ish dar  ian  06:35, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

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