User talk:The Traditionalist/Archive 2012

You may be interested in this discussion
See: Fringe theories/Noticeboard... Given your user name, you might be able to aid in the discussion. Most of the folks there don't know much about the topic. Blueboar (talk) 04:21, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Requesting your help on an article
See the Planes of existence article, if you are a Theosophist, can you try and help out with the sourcing for the planes - Spiritual plane, Divine plane and Logoic plane, I have done the rest, but will also need to add some third party sources. Thanks GreenUniverse (talk) 00:50, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

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Archiving
I've modified the way the archiving bot was set up on your page, copying my own version. I really don't think you need to break it down further, with pages for each month, but just say so and I can do that. —WWoods (talk) 02:34, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Charles Leatherland, Baron Leatherland


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Image at Freemasonry
I noted your addition of to the Freemasonry article, and that your addition was reverted.

I agree with the revert, but thought I would do you the courtesy of explaining why... The chart was created for an article on Freemasonry that appeared in Life Magazine back in the late 1950s or early 1960s (it has been reprinted in a few other publications since then). The chart did, for the most part, accurately depict the structure of Freemasonry as it existed in the United States at the time (the only major flaw was that it lists the various Scottish Rite degrees by the names used in the Southern Jurisdiction... the Northern Jurisdiction uses different names).

However, the chart was (and is) very inaccurate when it comes to depicting the structure of Freemasonry in other parts of the world ... In England for example, neither the "York Rite" nor the "Scottish Rite" exist. Some (but not all) of the degrees that are in the American "York Rite" (such as the degree of the Holy Royal Arch) are available... but they are offered as stand alone things, and not as part of a structured "system".

That's why the image was removed. Hope this explains the situation... feel free to ask at my talk page if you have any questions. Blueboar (talk) 13:18, 9 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, absolutely... it is definitely a well known poster. Just not a very accurate poster when it comes to Masonry outside the US. :>) Blueboar (talk) 01:31, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * re a 19th century version... interesting... I suppose the famous version that was printed in Life Magazine could have been based on an earlier version, but I have never seen one myself (if it is on-line, could you link it for me). Certainly the version you put in the article is from the mid-20th century (you can tell by the way the men depicted are dressed). Blueboar (talk) 11:28, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... looking at this in more depth... According to two Masonic websites I trust... and ... the poster first appeared in the Oct. 8, 1956 Life Magazine article.  So I have to more actively question your assertion that you have seen one that is older. Blueboar (talk) 11:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Chinese politicians
Thank you for your articles on Chinese politicians; unfortunately they are all unreferenced. Please add some sources before creating more content. Ironholds (talk) 16:15, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I appreciate that. Unfortunately, sources are required to verify (a) that they exist and (b) that they pass WP:GNG. It can be as simple as "X was a chinese politician [link to where you found this out]". Ironholds (talk) 12:43, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So...you used the Chinese wikipedia as a source? How did you create these articles if you don't speak the language? Ironholds (talk) 12:50, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Right. So, you translated (tiny amounts of) articles from another project, copied them across, and did so without references or, indeed, any ability to verify the references were reliable or actually said what the article said? Ironholds (talk) 13:00, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. So, editors are expected to be responsible for the content they stick on Wikipedia, moved from other projects or not. In future, you should avoid this sort of action unless you can verify that the references actually say what the article does - and yes, dates of death and birth are things that need to be verified. In the meantime, please find citations for the articles you have already added. Ironholds (talk) 13:07, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So only two of them were actually referenced? Ironholds (talk) 13:26, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * That's not necessary. Okay, add the references for the dates of birth and death for the two you have. For the others: this is why we do not use other Wikipedia projects (or our own) as sources - because we cannot ascertain the reliability of the information. You have to find sources for the other articles, otherwise they may be deleted. In the future, only enter content that you can validate through third-party, reliable sources. Ironholds (talk) 13:29, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Ulysses Bagenal de Burgh
Hello The Theosophist. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Ulysses Bagenal de Burgh, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: this article contributes extra information - a merge, as proposed, is the solution. Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 18:36, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Peerology project: comment
Your sandbox tabulation looks interesting. May I suggest however that at this early stage you delete all the modern life-peers to leave only the hereditaries? (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 16:18, 1 June 2012 (UTC))

User:The Theosophist/Peerology
Per WP:NFCC, which is clear that non-free media are only allowed in article space, I have removed the non-free images on this sandbox. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 18:29, 17 June 2012 (UTC)


 * ...again. Black Kite (talk) 22:19, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Sylvie Hubac


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Famous Scottish Freemasons...
Hello. I worry that some people on the List of Freemasons article might object to http://www.lodge76.wanadoo.co.uk/famous_scottish_freemasons.htm being used as a reference. I look at that site and think "OK... what was their source for this information. A website like that, that is not a "published" source subject to peer review, can put out pretty much whatever they want.  I would suggest you try to find better sources for those men... Maybe 10,000 Ffamous Freemasons or something like that. Try a Google book for each person.  Eric Cable  |  Talk  13:21, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

That's a good question...
I don't remember exactly, but as that's been oversighted (as was my reversion), I think it was a "privacy of non-notable people" issue. MSJapan (talk) 20:03, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Election
The editor who made the move has started a discussion on the Talk page btw. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:06, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

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