User talk:The Wicked Twisted Road/Archive 1

2009 in aviation
I not you've been adding references. These are not strictly necessary where there is an article on the event, but adding them is not wrong. I notice you are adding bare urls. Are you familiar with cite web? It looks a bit complicated but can be pared down to url, title, publisher and accessdate at a minimum. Mjroots (talk) 17:10, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...didn't know of that policy about criteria for references. And I generally use only bare URLs for references, no ones commented on that before, but if using cite web is better than I'll start using that. Thanks. :) C628 (talk) 17:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * A bare url for a reference is better than no reference at all, but cite web is preferred. Mjroots (talk) 17:20, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Wytheville hostage incident


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 * I just posted something on that article's discussion page, outlined a few reasons for keeping it. If you could look at that and let me know what you thing, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. C628 (talk) 16:24, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I responded on the talk page of the article. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:30, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Wytheville hostage incident
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Singapore Airlines Fleet
Thanks for making that update!!! SinSQ800-805 on Singapore Airlines 16:56, 30 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SinSQ800-805 (talk • contribs)
 * No problem. Glad to help. C628 (talk) 17:58, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

fyi
Taking it here, as you seemed to be reacting personally. I'm not sure you've looked at it, but wp:othercrapexists under "Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions" is something that probably both of us are familiar with, which is why it wasn't mentioned no doubt. I'm not attacking you. I'm just referring to the issues.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:13, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if my reaction seemed out of hand, and I have read wp:othercrapexists, but regardless, I feel that in this case, since the article in question was so similar to the ones I noted, they provided sufficient precedent to be a constructive addition to the debate. I still stand by my statement that I'm not trying to get deeply involved in this discussion.  I only wanted to help, and I apologize if my statements were taken any other way. C628 (talk) 22:25, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I moved the conversation here because I wanted to make it less personal, since I sense you were taking it that way. I don't understand whether you are saying that you don't like the wp:othercrapexists guidance?  Or that you feel in some way the facts here are distinguishable.  From what I can see, it is spot-on.  The concept of precedent on wikipedia is not as you suggest that if you can find "sufficient precedent" your point is a valid one.  That is an approach in the legal systems of many Western countries.  But it's not the wikipedia approach.  For the reasons that the guidance states.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:30, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Never mind. I don't want to be drawn into this debate anymore, if my suggestions are to be ignored. I'll go back to more constructive tasks at hand. C628 (talk) 23:07, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I only took the time to write you and address what you said in lieu of ignoring you.--Epeefleche (talk) 00:12, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Danger (talk) 03:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

2010 St. Louis factory shootings
Greetings. I just wanted to draw your attention to NOT. I think shootings tend to be considered notable, but be careful not to make the article sound like a news report. Regards, PDCook (talk) 20:53, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was told earlier that articles tended to be considered notable if they led to deaths, so I felt it appropriate to create an article about this. C628 (talk) 21:03, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I redirected this page to another its clone at ABB Power plant shooting (2010). I live in within a few miles of the shooters house so maybe I could get a picture. username 1 (talk) 18:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Disturbed's fifth studio album
Thank you for re-directing "Fifth studio album" to Disturbed's fifth studio album, I was just so busy trying to get the article to a good start. :)
 * No problem. It looks like a good article, nice work. C628 (talk) 19:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism is part of the solution, not the problem :-)
Hello, thanks for the credits about elephant gun. I am from Germany and checked out that site in English because the German wikipedia doesn't have an article about such weaponry and I made a stupid bet with a friend about it. And I immediately doubted that it is, in fact, a "dumbassed piece of garbage". So thanks for the support, vandalism has it origin in Germany (at least the word) but in this case it was its counterpart. --91.23.44.240 (talk) 22:09, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

ALCO FA-2/FB-2 Production Dates
See R. Craig Rutherford's FA-2/FB-2 production dates on his The Diesel Shop webpage. They are right out of Extra 2200 South. See Extra 2200 South Issue 33 March/April 1972 pages 26-27 "Alco FA-FB Tally" The first units built were sets for B&O and Erie in October 1950. The demonstrators were built in November. Steinbrenner got it wrong. If you want a real challenge try separating the FPA-2s from the FA-2s and the FPB-2s from the FB-2s. I've tried and still can't get the counts right.--SSW9389 15:13, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

http://www.thedieselshop.us/Erie.HTML states Erie FA-2 and FB-2s were the first built. R. Craig Rutherford's book Running in the Shadows is all about Alco FAs. He should know which ones were built first. --SSW9389 21:49, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * In that case, I'll use The Diesel Shop as a reference for the dates of first production in the article. C628 (talk) 01:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Re:User:The Sabbath Day
-  F ASTILY  (T ALK ) 01:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Burlington INTL Airport (AirTran)
Well I am not sure if this is where I respond to this? ( I am new to Wikipedia in terms of editing and all this behind the scene stuff.) Anyways, I put in that little piece on AirTran because I didn't know any other way to show that AirTran did not actually serve BTV despite what the website states. Sorry about the Signature as well. --BTVB6Flyer (talk) 17:57, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, you got it right. And you did the right thing in terms of the AirTran part; I just fixed a few grammar bits, no big deal.  And don't worry about the signature, no one's going to get annoyed with a little thing like that.  Anyway, hope you decide to stick around here; it's always good to have more people. C628 (talk) 18:34, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Bread
You edited the article bread on 8 February 17:09 and the Bibliography section heading is not formatted properly as you will see. There are also words such as this: Insert non-formatted text here. Thanks 211.30.25.34 (talk) 06:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Not sure if that was my fault, but fixed anyway. Thanks. C628 (talk) 13:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Pancho watch
Just to say thanks for keeping a keen eye on the Pancho Campo article, and the actions of the hitherto single-purpose-editor who persists in chopping out the uncomfortable bit. I believe firmly the article stays WP:BLP-wise within a fair report of the RS, and it would be a shame if people who for some reason don't like it could just have it their way. Cheers, M URGH   disc.  16:44, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It's always good to know there's someone behind me, and I'm glad we agree with regards to the deletions of the controversial part. Thanks again, C628 (talk) 17:06, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Our friend prodded the article, but I contested the prod when I saw the page history and your note on the talk page. I left a note on his/her talk page politely informing him/her of the AfD process with the caution that speedy keep will apply if the nomination is solely an attempt to resolve the editing dispute. Also note that Sigmahardware blanked all warnings on his/her talk page, which I believe went up to. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 17:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I saw they blanked the page (which did go up to level 3), but I didn't know they PROD'ed the page. Thanks for the heads-up. C628 (talk) 17:37, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow, I've never quite seen this approach before. Appears he feels Wikipedia is a bigger problem than Decanter or INTERPOL. M URGH   disc.  19:39, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

over-speedy tagging
Please give articles like Imam Baksh Nasikh a chance to develop.  DGG ( talk ) 05:16, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * When I tagged it, the article consisted of a single line of text saying "One of the greatest poets of Lucknow." I thought that was sufficient to tag for deletion, particularly as it had not been changed for nearly 20 minutes (which was obviously irrelevant, as it was rewritten a couple minutes later). I was obviously wrong there, but I did have my reasons. C628 (talk) 12:49, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I recognize you were not acting wantonly. I and everyone else active at CSD have made similar mistakes. One way to avoid some of  them  is to check if sources are in fact available, but this requires a judgement on how hard to look, and I agree the general topic area is not one that inspires confidence.  I left a message for the editor explaining the advisability of putting in at least one reference to start out with. The danger is not in losing the article, which can always be rewritten; the danger is in losing the contributor, who if rebuffed initially, may never return. Probably the real  way of dealing with it will be to adopt one of the many proposals to postpone speedy of incomplete articles.    DGG ( talk ) 17:32, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Whatcom Volunteer Center relisting
I have relisted the above AfD as references were added to the article within the last day. I am contacting all editors who have commented at the discussion, to allow them the opportunity to look at the latest version of the article, and if necessary to change their !vote.

I have no opinion on the matter, I am merely letting everyone know! --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 12:16, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey!
About your new page patrol, while I like what you're doing, i feel that maybe you should use Twinkle. Is that ok with you? It would be a little easier. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:14, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I've thought about it, but it seems sort of complicated, and doing everything manually has been working just fine so far. If you think it'd work better, I might try it out a bit; see how it works. Thanks, C628 (talk) 11:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Carolinian and Piedmont
Hi there. I'm thinking about splitting up Carolinian and Piedmont into separate articles; would you care to weigh in at Talk:Carolinian and Piedmont? Cheers, Mackensen (talk) 01:11, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course; already done. Cheers, C628 (talk) 01:26, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

The Final Frontier World Tour
Hello, I hope I am contacting you the right way, I'm not an expert user of this site. I removed a bunch of references because only authorized and confirmed tour dates come from www.ironmaiden.com, not other websites. There is no need for references on any other tour date, so why those?

What modified locations are you referring to? Everything comes from www.ironmaiden.com, as I said. I'm not sure who you are, or why you're speaking to me in such an authoritative manner, it's just a tour date page on a reference site. Are you some sort of moderator here? If not, who says you get to decide what's on this page and not anyone else? I don't mean to be so combative here, but I'm wondering where your authority stems from. All this coming from a ninth-grader? I wouldn't be this hard up about references and such on a webpage, I'm sure no one gives a dman but you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maideneer (talk • contribs) 19:28, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, you got to the right place. The edits I was referring to were your adding a location at Calgary, and removing one at Ottawa, both without sources for doing so. As for the references stuff, all of those dates do come from the Iron Maiden website, largely per their original announcement here. The remainder, the three you removed the references for, were announced after Iron Maiden released that press release, and in fact came from the Iron Maiden website itself, through additional press releases here, here, and here. If you have equivalent sources for the modifications you made to the two dates I mentioned, please add them in. I have no more authority here than you, we're all equal. I'm certainly not the only person who decides what gets to be on the article; the only reason for my edits was that I thought your changes detracted from the article. Finally, I'm sorry if my tone appeared combative or authoritative; it was not my intent at all. C628 (talk) 21:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Caribbean Airlines/Air Jamaica merger
While the agreement was reached on 28 April, it was set to be implemented & the transition period to begin starting 1 May. Therein lies the confusion, it appears. Cheers!Larasister (talk) 02:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, that makes sense to me. D'you mind if I further tweak the bit in the article, something along the lines of "...fully completed acquisition of Air Jamaica on 28 April, 2010, with the merger taking effect on 1 May. A 6-12 month transition period is expected to follow?" Cheers, C628 (talk) 10:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine by me! Cheers. Larasister (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:34, 7 May 2010 (UTC).

Editor review
Hello, C628! I have reviewed you. Any questions or comments can be left here, there, or on my talk page. Happy editing! PrincessofLlyr royal court 01:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)


 * As did I. Leave your questions/comments on my tp. Homework2  Talk What I do!  02:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar!
I'm trying to focus on content work these days, but I've often become sidetracked too, so it's nice to know that someone's noticed. Thanks again,  — fetch ·  comms   01:10, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for revising the Springfield, Illinois (Amtrak station) article. As you probably know, the news of the depot's renovation is only 48 hours old, and as I follow this depot I was wondering how long it would take for someone to revise it. I decided to wait and see, and it turned out to be yourself. It looks, by the way, that passenger railroading has a large corpus of friends in wiki-world. Bigturtle (talk) 01:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem; glad to help. Cheers, C628 (talk) 01:30, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Courtship
Thanks for this fix - I guess I forgot to close the ref tag. --Uncle Ed (talk) 01:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

WN
Yeah, it was a bit far. Please come back sometime soon.  — fetch ·  comms   19:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Reply at my talk page
I've left a reply on my talk page regarding the ROKS Cheonan

Thanks
Thanks for that (slightly scathing) editor review. Actually I did get into quite a few arguments over the poposed deletion of many things (some of it my own that other people wanted to delete, and I really thought a few articles just HAD to go, but people just didn't see reason, rather spamming my talk page about why "this doesen't apply here, blah blah blah", OMG A WHOLE ARTICLE ON A SMALL NOT NOTABLE HILL SOMEWHERE IN IRELAND AND THEY DISQUALIFY MY PROD ON A TECHNICALITY (or something, I cant remember)- sorry for the rage).

Anyway, after being beaten back over all that (I lost every single debate!- the stupid hill's page stayed, the article on some subway station stayed (no, not a subway system- a whole article on one silly station!), the obscure mod pack for Civ IV stayed, and yet my template got deleted, and that walking robot image got deleted, even though there was conclusive evidence IT WAS FREEWARE (or whatever) and was used on many pages, even the article on Gait!, also my article got deleted on the very criteria that couldn't delete some stupid hill's page).

Very sorry for the spammy rage outburst (and that paragraph above being a gramatical nightmare), but I had to do it. You can delete it if you wish. Anyway, what I am saying is that after all that, I gave up on most of my mainspace edits (except AoE/ES related stuff, I update them a bit) which were new page patrolling and deletion.

Mod MMG (User Page) Reply on my talkpage. Do NOT click this link 07:44, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, content work doesn't just have to be creating new articles; there's seemingly endless articles you can improve that are already on Wikipedia, and that's no less important. A good place to look is WP:BACKLOG, where you can easily find stuff to do like copy-editing articles, finding references, or other general cleanup. You don't necessarily have to focus on creating content, improving existing stuff works just as well. Cheers, C628 (talk) 14:21, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Mod MMG (User Page) Reply on my talkpage. Do NOT click this link 22:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks!! I'll copy that backlog link to my userpage so I know where to go to improve some mainspace articles. Also, there's been a debate on my talkpage (about 5 users involved) on my signature, apparently it's too distracting, then apparently it's just got too much clutter to be effective, what's your opinion?

You are now a Reviewer
Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, will be commencing a a two-month trial at approximately 23:00, 2010 June 15 (UTC).

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If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. Courcelles (talk) 17:19, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

The Final Frontier
Hi, I've started a discussion you might be interested in on the talk page.Thanks. Baron Ronan Doyle (Sprechen mit mir) 17:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

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Airblue Flight 202
I added the original Wikinews. Mjroots (talk) 13:01, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, well, no problem, generally just a good idea (don't actually know if it's a policy there) to avoid linking to the article until it's been reviewed, since there's no guarantee of getting a good article until then (actually, there isn't a guarantee after, but there's a better chance...). The last thing we need is people stumbling across a badly written article there and getting a bad impression of Wikinews, since we're already struggling to get a decent reader base. Anyhow, no worries. C628 (talk) 13:12, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikinews
Ta. I had spotted – I check back in every so often to see whether anyone's actually written anything, or whether instead people are still competing to see who can start the most fights in a rapidly emptying room. I may be back occasionally if there's a hot story that I want to add, but I doubt I'd add anything very often. Good luck... BencherliteTalk 07:07, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Editor review (Richwales)
Thanks for reviewing me. United States v. Wong Kim Ark was my first nontrivial article, and standards for inline sourcing have evolved in the last five years. I agree with you that I should take the time to go back and improve the sourcing. Regarding Another Gospel, one part of the overall issue was that I did have some sources which were relevant to the general subject (the Christian countercult movement), but which couldn't be used because one editor refused to allow any source that didn't specifically, explicitly mention the book Another Gospel (and few, if any, such sources seem to exist because this particular book is not considered noteworthy outside its narrow target audience). Anyhow, I will take your advice to heart and continue to work on improving my sourcing skills. Richwales (talk · contribs · review) 03:16, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey
Nice to see you around ITN! We can always do with more participation there. Btw, I noticed you didn't have rollback, so I rectified that. ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:36, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You piqued my interest when you mentioned it over at Wikinews, and I thought I could use something new anyway. Seems less intimidating than articles for creation, which was the other one I'd looked at. Thanks for rollback; I don't do much anti-vandalism work anymore, but it should come in handy now and then. Cheers, C628 (talk) 17:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You never know when it might come in handy. Isn't venturing over here considered a form of treason on Wikinews? ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:40, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sure a formal proposal shall be made for the ceremonial removal of my head as soon as word gets out that I've contributed to Wikipedia's current events section. Ah, well...it's not like I'm particularly inclined to hang around Wikinews that much anymore. C628 (talk) 15:31, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

ITN for Convention on Cluster Munitions
--Good effort for a traitor! ;) HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   15:45, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk page template
Sir,

I happened to stumble across your talk page while searching through ITN and I noticed the template on your talk page. I rather like it; simple, effective, and minimalist... just what I've been looking for. I was wondering if you would allow me to use it for my own page, properly cited and credited of course :), and given that you don't know me from a hole-in-the-wall, I'm willing to give you full disclosure on it's use and related changes should you ask for it. Although conversely, should you be unwilling to grant me permission, I fully understand. Thanks for your time and... Cheers! Cwill151 (talk) 17:24, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. I also saw a post on HJ's talk page in which he described you as "an editor I greatly respect". As I fully respect HJ's contributions as well as the man himself, any editor who has managed to earn his must be a top-notch contributor in my book. That being said, and lowly though I may be at present, I consider it an honor to have you among us and greatly look forward to working with you in the future. Cwill151 (talk) 17:31, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can certainly use the message and I'm honored you think that highly of me :) Cheers, C628 (talk) 20:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you I appreciate that. If there is ever anything I can do to make your life less difficult, please feel free to ask. Cheers and good hunting, Cwill151 (talk) 21:06, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Filair Let L-410 crash
Not a problem. One of the benefits of being a admin is that you're able to sort out these problems quietly and without fuss. It is also useful when you make a big mess-up yourself too. Mjroots (talk) 05:53, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Kingfisher Airlines Flight 4124
Thanks for your support at AfD. Not sure that it will be enough but thanks anyway. Mjroots (talk) 10:00, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No, guess it wasn't. Ah, well...most of the other AfD's seem to be turning out better, so it could be worse. C628 (talk) 23:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Alabama and Gulf Coast Railway
Hi, I have a question concerning "Copyright Violations". How is my own work a "Copyright Violation"? Sometime ago I updated the page for the Alabama and Gulf Coast Railway with information from my own web page. All information found on my personal page and Wikipedia page comes from personal knowledge and research. My work on the Wikipedia page was deleted on the grounds of "Possible Copyright Violation". A further explanation on how this is a violation would be greatly appriciated. Thank you Randy Carnley Randycarnley (talk) 02:22, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The problem is that what you'd written on your website wasn't released into the public domain, which means that since it was exactly the same in Wikipedia as it was on your website, there was nothing to indicate that it was legally allowed to be copied. In order for that to be acceptable, the content of your website has to be licensed in such a way that it's released into the public domain, so that it can be copied anywhere, not just Wikipedia, as long as it's attributed to your website. The license Wikipedia uses is the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License, which allows all Wikipedia content to be freely copied; something similar would be required for it to be acceptable to copy what you wrote on your website into another medium, in this case Wikipedia.
 * This is awfully complicated, and you're probably confused as to why, since you wrote the material originally, you can't just copy it into multiple places. The reason is that without a license, we have no way of verifying that we're allowed to take what you wrote, and since copyright violations are one of very few things that can get the Wikimedia Foundation, the parent of Wikipedia, sued, it's important for us as editors to err on the side of caution when dealing with potential copyright violations; even if we're not sure, it's better to be conservative about it and remove any potentially infringing text.
 * So given that, you've got a couple of options. One is to release the stuff on your website into the public domain through a license like I described. I honestly have no idea how you'd go about doing that, so I can't be of much help there. The simpler solution is to rewrite and summarize what's on your website and then add it to the article, using your website as a reference. I actually did that for the history of the railroad, and was intending to do it for a lot more, but ran into other issues, and never had the time to finish. The advantages of that is you don't have to mess around with legal mumbo-jumbo, but the information is still in the Wikipedia article; I'd advise doing that. The advantages of licensing your website and copying the content is, if you know how to go about such a process, that it would be less work, but there'd still have to be some sort of copyedit to what you added, since it's not quite up to our manual of style (excessive specifics is the big issue, but there's also some smaller stuff that would need to be taken care of).
 * Summary: I removed a bunch of stuff because it wasn't clear if it was legally acceptable for it to be identical to your website, regardless of the author. My advice would be to use what you've written as a base and add a derivative of it to Wikipedia.
 * Hope that cleared things up; if it didn't, feel free to ask for clarification, and I am of course willing to help with whatever you need here. Best wishes, C628 (talk) 18:39, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

ITN for ETA
--Cheers, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:03, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I like ITN...thanks! C628 (talk) 14:40, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thankyou for the welcome.NicholasJr7 (talk) 19:04, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. Saw you working on Def Leppard, nice job finding references there. Keep up the good work! Cheers, C628 (talk) 18:06, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

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has ever received the Medal of Honor for service in Iraq and Afghanistan while alive (and is not Giunta), such that your edit is needed? The language used prior to your edit is the Army's language. I suggest a reason is needed if one is to deviate from that. If you really want to insist on your edit, why not delete "for service in Iraq and Afghanistan", since otherwise the same thing is stated twice? As it is, it already mentions the first since Vietnam thing later in the article.Bdell555 (talk) 14:16, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Because the lead section of the article is supposed to summarize the entire article clearly and concisely. Saying that he was the "first living person to receive the Medal of Honor for service in Iraq and Afghanistan" implies to me that he is the first person ever to receive the medal while alive, and is therefore not the most precise wording possible.  Since it was very easy to clarify that, and didn't make the passage any less readable, I thought it seemed reasonable to add text that I felt clarified the sentence. C628 (talk) 15:44, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The Wall St Journal has, presumably, professional copy editors and says he's the "the first living serviceman from the Iraq or Afghan wars to receive the nation's highest military award."Bdell555 (talk) 15:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The difference there, I think, is that it specifically states that he's the first from those two wars to have received the medal; it's hard to get confused by that sentence, whereas in the WP article, the sentence can be interpreted as having two parts, one being that he was the first living person to receive the medal and one saying that he received it for services in Iraq/Afghanistan. In any case, it's been revised again here. C628 (talk) 16:04, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

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PacificFlier
FlightAware.com shows no PFL activity (http://flightaware.com/live/airport/PTRO) since the alleged relaunch on September 21. It may be wise to leave the past-due future tense in the airline article. HkCaGu (talk) 11:45, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Think I got them all, thanks for letting me know. C628 (talk) 13:26, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

"South African" in lieu of "South African Railways", "Spoornet", "Transnet Freight Rail", etc
The first SA locomotive page I created was for the new Class 15E, at present being commissioned by Transnet Freight Rail. So I used "Transnet Freight Rail" in the title. I then continued with the old Class 1E, 3E and 4E and used "South African Railways" in the titles.

Then I reached the Class 5E's, commissioned by the South African Railways and still in use when SAR became Spoornet and later TFR, and some are even now still in use with Rovos Rail while others were recently sold at auction. The liveries they wear tell the story. The same with the 6E, all eleven of the 6E1 series, 7E's and so on, up to 12E. All of them are still in use, but in SAR, Spoornet, Shosholoza Meyl and TFR liveries, until some new corporate chief gets a new bright idea next week and add another new name. You can add TransNamib and Traction and Tracao and some Brazilian railroad for the diesels. Same with steam, there's some ex SAR narrow gauge locos working at Sandstone Estates in the Free State and some in Wales.

So I decided to stick with "South African" for the lot, since that covers all, even locomotives in mine service such as at Landau Colliery and with Sheltam Grindrod. The same thing happens in the private sector - Landau owners Amcoal is now Anglo Coal. For all I know, next month it'll be Billiton....

Hope that explains my reasoning sufficiently.

And thanks for jogging my memory - I slipped up on changing the titles over the main pictures on all these pages.

André Kritzinger 18:51, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. I'm from a North American background, so I'm not as familiar with that as you are. Your reasoning seems fine to me, so I'll assume you know what you're doing more than I do. Cheers, C628 (talk) 23:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I guess you'll probably end up doing it the same way in the case of a North American locomotive. For example, if you do an article on the GP30 or GP7 that probably saw service with every single US and Canadian railroad....

André Kritzinger 01:16, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there's so many different systems for equipment designations around the world there's really no way to get a consistent policy on naming to work, so we just make do with what we have. C628 (talk) 01:31, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

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Hi. Could I ask you to get in the habit of using the talk page before making controversial edits? You recently added material back into the lead section that had already been discussed, and now, you've removed content from the lead that is widely sourced, starting with WikiLeaks. Best practice is to remove disputed content to the talk page and start a thread about it. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 00:39, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * First one: Look at the talk page, I already explained my reasoning there. Yes, I was wrong. Second one: I honestly don't know why I didn't see that; I did a bunch of internet searches to try to find a source and didn't find one. I also didn't see a previous revision of the page in which the statement was sourced. For both of those, I didn't consider them major enough to warrant a talk page comment, which I find are more trouble than they're worth for changes as minor as that (I'm not going to add a thread saying "Hi, I made a copyedit of this page and I'd like feedback on it," and unreferenced claims are hardly uncommon, if one you had to note on the talk page every time you removed one, the talk pages would be longer than the articles). I considered both those edits housekeeping, and was at least partially wrong in both cases. Such is life. C628 (talk) 01:05, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * We are supposed to be summarizing the main points in the lead section. For this reason, the lead does not require citations. See WP:LEAD.  Now, since I am not the author of the information you removed, I can't defend it, but I can say that I was able to find secondary sources supporting it. So, could you explain the real reason you removed it?  Do you have reason to believe the information is wrong or in dispute? I will again request that you initiate a talk page thread indicating the material you removed and the reason. This will alert other editors who either added the material or who can help source it. WikiLeaks also supports this content on their main cable page. It would help if you would make an attempt to source it yourself.  Viriditas (talk) 01:26, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I realize that the lead is not supposed to be sourced, if, at the least, the information is sourced elsewhere in the article. The policy also says "complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations." I would submit that this fits all three of those. What I removed was not cited. Therefore, I treated it as any other unsourced information. The "real reason" I removed it is because it had no reference, nor could I find one. WP:V says "any material challenged or likely to be challenged" must be attributed to a reliable source. That did not. Therefore, per policy, I removed it. I do in fact have a secondary source for the information I removed. It's from a local paper in Nebraska. I also have a source that contradicts it. It's a blog. Neither of those I consider reliable sources--the first because I do not trust a local Nebraska paper to have accurate information on global affairs, the second because it's a blog, which so far as I can tell is not independently vetted or edited. Did I give the impression that I had ulterior motives? I will make a note of this on the talk page, but I stand by my actions. C628 (talk) 01:47, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. The Nebraska paper appears to have copied Wikipedia, not the other way around. This happens quite a bit actually.  In fact, there does not appear to be a single thing wrong with the information you removed, and if you look for supporting sources, you will find them.  You say you stand by your actions, but what have you accomplished? You removed important, factual information that best describes the nature of the release.  I've asked you to use the talk page to discuss it.  Please do so. Viriditas (talk) 01:58, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * "The Nebraska paper appears to have copied Wikipedia, not the other way around"--yes, it is for reasons like that I said I don't trust it as a reliable source. Did you see me adding it as a reference? Despite that you appear to think I'm lying to you, I have looked for supporting sources. Beyond the Wikileaks page, which I do not trust as a reliable source, I have failed to find them. Either you believe that or you don't; that's your problem, not mine. And if you cared to look, you would see that I have in fact used the talk page. C628 (talk) 02:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You failed to find them? It has been all over the news for the last 24 hours.  Have you simply ignored the story?  I can find it all over the place:
 * "The 251,287 cables, first acquired by WikiLeaks, were provided to The Times by an intermediary on the condition of anonymity. Many are unclassified, and none are marked “top secret,” the government’s most secure communications status. But some 11,000 are classified “secret,” 9,000 are labeled “noforn,” shorthand for material considered too delicate to be shared with any foreign government, and 4,000 are designated both secret and noforn. (The New York Times)"
 * So what is the problem? Viriditas (talk) 08:50, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Obviously, since I've cited WP:V as my justification, as long as there's a source, I really couldn't care less. I will not dignify your latest jab at my efforts to find a source with a response. C628 (talk) 21:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

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 * Sorry, not how it works. It doesn't matter what the policies of pt-wp are; the only thing that matters here is whether or not the article passes WP:NSONGS. I would say it doesn't; in order to convince me otherwise, you would have to point me to consensus on en-wp that it belongs here (in which a discussion on the policy would be in order) or that there are sufficient reliable sources about the song (ie, not just passing mention) to write a decent article on it, in which I'd argue the presence of sources outweighs NSONGS. Absent those, the article isn't sufficiently notable to support a stand-alone article, and should get turned back into a redirect. C628 (talk) 00:40, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

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 * Im gonna remove it then, theres no good place to put it. Where it is now its overlapping some of the citations, and where it was origninally caused there to be large gaps in the text.XavierGreen (talk) 00:59, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

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The three Sonisphere dates that you are deleting are almost official, they are on the official t-shirt. However, if you want to wait for the official announcement, I understand that, I'll wait too. (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:05, 23 February 2011 (UTC).
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