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Nomination of Rivian Automotive for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Rivian Automotive is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Rivian Automotive until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Student7 (talk) 18:58, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Yemen factory explosion
Hi. I've already created the article here. Please see what you can do to improve it. Probably also a good idea to integrate your edits into the page. Thanks. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 01:45, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, I am ashamed of my puny efforts. :) I'll redirect the one I created. Thanks for letting me know, C628 (talk) 01:51, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I would suggest merging in all the information and refs you added to the original article rather than simply redirecting one to the other. However, I will probably have to do that tomorrow should I be given the responsibility of doing so. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 01:59, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I did the redirect, it was pretty much all redundant, and yours was clearly the better article. C628 (talk) 02:12, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

re: Sorry
No biggie. Hitting the wrong button when undoing an edit happens all the time to everyone. SQGibbon (talk) 23:44, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

ITN: 2011 Mazar-i-Sharif attack
--  tariq abjotu  02:01, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

New Aerosmith Compilation article
Hi, C628. Came across your article by seeing a change to one of the other Aerosmith albums when you added a page link. I decided to help out by uploading the album cover, and went to add it to the article, but for some reason, its not showing up (re-added it twice), and I wasn't going to spend 5 hours re-formatting the info box, but I figured I would at least give you the link to the image to add at your leisure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AerosmithToughLoveCover.jpg --L1A1 FAL (talk) 02:48, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * That's weird, it doesn't show up for me either. I'm not very good with images, so if I can't figure anything out I'll probably bring it up at the village pump or something. Thanks for uploading it, in any case. Cheers, C628 (talk) 02:54, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I got the cover to show up. I guess it was a glitch in the infobox. I was messing around with the 'Show Preview' thing, and I copied the infobox template from another article I created recently, pasted it to this article, transferred all the info over to the new template, and deleted the old infobox template just to see if it would make a difference. And it seems to have worked, so problem solved.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 04:41, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, now I'm going to look like an idiot at the village pump. I hate it when that happens... C628 (talk) 14:41, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

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License tagging for File:JudasPriestSingleCuts.jpg
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 * Mmkay, is this right? C628 (talk) 13:09, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh wait...I'm talking to a bot... C628 (talk) 13:11, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

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June 2011
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed maintenance templates from Rivian Automotive. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as your removal of this template has been reverted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. The AfD was closed as no consensus, which means there is no consensus on if the company meets WP:GNG the tag is asking other editors to help find sources. Mtking (talk) 23:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Does Don't template the regulars ring a bell? How hard can it possibly be to take thirty seconds to actually write something beyond a sentence? Of course I know what the hell I did when I removed that fucking tag, it's insulting and condescending to send me a snarky template that acts as if I was some newbie who just removed a cleanup tag from some crap article they created. Your template says "give a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary." Guess what? I gave a reason in my edit summary! You don't have to agree with the reason, but don't give me some bullshit about how I should be doing something I already did.  I've been here for a year and a half, I think it's reasonable to assume that I know what the welcome page says.  And I bloody well do not want to experiment, and I will not be paying a visit to the sandbox. C628 (talk) 23:32, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

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Undefeated (song)
I'll let the article stay, although I'm not so sure of the claim as a #1 song on U.S. radio; at least not in any Billboard chart. The source used is unreliable. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 01:30, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

ITN
Hi I have nominated 2011 Kosovo–Serbia border clashes for ITN. Please join the discussion.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry I wasn't able to do so, but real life got in the way over the past couple of days. C628 (talk) 15:13, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

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Quora
Good job on your recent Quora edits. I did not think a controversy section was needed either. NCSS (talk) 21:53, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Always good to hear that someone notices and, more importantly, doesn't complain about my work. C628 (talk) 23:10, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, I hear that! NCSS (talk) 00:49, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

IRC
Tempodivalse  [talk]  22:53, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Eagle P3
Hello. The changes that I made to the Eagle P3 page that went up a few days ago were to correct several errors -- the length of the concession (it is 34 years rather than 46 -- it was changed by amendment at financial close), the names of the partners (Macquarie was the 90 percent equity partner with Fluor at 10 percent up until financial close when Macquarie exited the partnership by selling the 90 percent in equal shares to John Laing plc and Uberior Investments), the amount Denver Transit Partners has put up ($450 million, not $1.3 billion) along with the other changes I made. I am the public information manager for this project. Help me understand the system here for footnoting and citing so that I can reinstate these edits. Kflynncolo (talk) 17:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The most basic problem is that none of the information you added contained a reference; ie, a link to a web page or information about an offline source to back up the claim added to the article. References are essential to articles, since they make sure that our content follows the policy on verifiability. For example, you say that the length of the concession is 34 years, but according to this article, it's 46, and in fact a document (page 9) from the RTD itself also says 46. On the other hand, this says there is a six year construction time, plus a thirty year operation concession, which would mean a 36 year total, and this says only a 30 year concession.  In fact, for those reasons, I've removed the mention in the article of the length of concession.  For a 34-year total time to be added to the article, there would have to be a reference that explicitly states that the length of concession was changed from 46 to 34 years.
 * As it happens, I did find such a reference for your claim that Macquarie sold its stake in the project&mdash;see this; I've now re-added that. Essentially, that sort of article is what should be used to reference every claim the Wikipedia article makes. We try to use sources that are separate from the subject of the article, but that's not necessarily essential (see the relevent policy).
 * For the amount that Denver Transit Partners has contributed to the project, I think this stems from a misunderstanding of the article, and that's my fault, my writing obviously wasn't clear. The reference says that DTP has raised so far $450 million, but plans to contribute $1.3 billion.
 * Lastly, since you're directly associated with the project, I'd strongly advise you to read over our conflict of interest policy. As long as you work within Wikipedia policy, and you're doing a good job so far, you shouldn't be worried about it too much, but keep in mind that many people here are very eager to block people who try to edit articles they're related to.  So long as you make sure to follow the verifiability and neutral point of view policies, there shouldn't be any reason why you can't contribute.
 * I hope that this has made sense to you, and plese let me know if there's anything that was confusing or I can be of more help with. Best wishes, C628 (talk) 03:55, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi again. There are still a number of factual errors I would like to correct. I am new to this so I guess I am asking for your assistance. As you discovered, we have public documents archived on our web site that contain outdated information such as the length of the concession being 46 years, but the fact is that situations change and that is no longer true. Old information is available on the web, as you know, and for a government agency such as ours, it is not a simple issue to just delete older online documents. As I indicated initially, the concession term was subsequently amended and shortened at financial close to 34 years, and this is reflected in this document, which is also posted on the same website: http://www.rtd-fastracks.com/media/uploads/ep3/Amendment1.pdf

The amendment is online on the same site, but of course they're not chained together -- your citation was to a PowerPoint presentation to our board in June 2010 while the amendment occurred at financial close in August 2010 and was not the subject of any PowerPoint to the board -- hence, not posted among our board presentations.

Anyway, what I could really use is a quick primer on the right way to link to references so that when I correct factual errors, it will be accepted. I have no "conflict of interest" in correcting factual matters; I am simply trying to diminish the likelihood that people will come across incorrect information on my project. Such things as the term of the contract and its dollar amount are black and white -- even if they change from time to time! For instance, DTP is NOT going to contribute $1.3 billion. Its $450 million contribution is all it will be making ($396M via proceeds of Private Activity Bonds and $54M in cash equity-letter of credit). The $1.3 billion figure is the total of the P3 portion of Eagle P3 including RTD's own contribution. While you've cited much of your information to a third-party article, it is factually incorrect. I'm at a loss that you would not accept my verifications of information as a project representative (due to some assumed conflict of interest) over a media article, when that media article is allegedly based on information I released, but which the third party has misconstrued. As you noted, three different sources gave you three different lengths in years for the concessions -- none of them actually correct. What do you suggest as the best way for me to provide verification that I am correct and the online magazine had erred? If a third party misquotes or erroneously construes our facts, what am I to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kflynncolo (talk • contribs) 22:38, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Mmkay then. If there are bits in the article that are factually incorrect, and there are documents available that contain the correct figures, than I agree that said documents should be used to cite the correct information. Please understand, it's not because you're involved in the project that I prefer use secondary sources over what you claim, it's because I'm required to do so by Wikipedia policy. It's not good enough that you are part of the project and presumably know better than other people, it's that a statement that's backed up by a source is always preferred to one that's only backed up by what someone says, no matter how much they may know about it.
 * In any case, the process to go about adding a reference is fairly simple. When you're editing an article, you'll see a tab on the toolbar that says "cite." If you click that, a drop-down menu will appear at the left corner that says "templates." Click that, and you'll see four options, to cite a webpage, news article, book, or journal article. What you want is presumably to cite a webpage, so click "cite web."  A box will pop up, with various fields; they're mostly self-explanatory (the only ones that aren't are ref name, which you use to cite a reference multiple times in an article, and ref group and DOI, neither of which I have any idea what they do).  Once you've filled out as many fields as possible, just click insert and the reference should be inserted where your cursor is in the article.  This depends on the browser you're using, Internet Explorer inserts the reference at the beginning of the edit window, which is annoying, but the general attitude around Wikipedia is that if you're using Internet Explorer you deserve it, which is annoying to me, because I use Internet Explorer. But I digress...In essence, all you have to do to verify that what you say is correct is to add a reference that confirms what you say. It's pretty simple, once you get used to it. If you want a space to test the process of adding a reference or anything, use the sandbox; its purpose is to allow people a space to experiment with the wiki-markup.
 * C628 (talk) 02:17, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

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Sound Transit MP40 source
Take a look at WP:PAYWALL. You were probably logged in; note that this is what everyone else sees if they're not logged in and/or don't have a subscription. ~ Atomic Taco (talk) 03:30, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know. According to WP:PAYWALL, "The principle of verifiability implies nothing about ease of access to sources: some online sources may require payment..." as this particular one does.  That source was the most complete one I found, barring the company's press release, so I used it.  I really coudn't care less if not everyone can see the article; that has no bearing on the quality of the reference. C628 (talk) 01:23, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

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