User talk:The jack wiley

Sistine Chapel ceiling
Thanks for uploading the pic. There's just a couple of problems.
 * It's not the Sistine Chapel
 * It's not a chapel
 * It's one of the two very long corridors in the Vatican Museums. It's called the Map Corridor. You can just make out the maps that are painted on the walls.

About inserting material into articles:
 * Even if it had been the Sistine Chapel ceiling, it would not have been a good place to put that picture. While I realise that some articles appear to be arranged in a very haphazard manner, that article is not. In fact, you could see at a glance that there were four pics of the same format (ie "landscape" format) arranged neatly one under the other. No1. the famous hands (which are mentioned in the adjacent text) No 2. a pic of whole ceiling, No. 3 diagram of subjects, No. 4 diagram of architecture.
 * Putting in a vertical picture spoilt this arrangement. It also made the stream of picture so long that on many computer screens it was going to have the effect of pushing the pics down into a position where they disrupted the text beneath them. You always have to be careful that this doesn't happen when adding pics.


 * I notice that you saved what you were doing about seven times. Check your options! You have three buttons. Never save anything without checking the Show preview button. If you are adding text, then "Show changes" is very useful. If you use these options, you will know immediately whether your edit has been correct, whether it's appropriate and whether or not it has stuffed up the formatting of everything else around it.
 * Never leave an article that you have editted without checking the final product as well.

General
 * As a new editor, tread lightly. Some articles are very complete, very well written and very well arranged. If you make any additions to the subject matter without discussing it first on the discussion page, they will almost always be deleted. For example, someone might come along to the Leonardo da Vinci page and say, "hey it doesn't mention that he used to buy caged birds and let them out. It doesn't mention that he wore a short cloak like a teenage boy when most men his age wore a long one." All this is perfectly true. But if you try to include it, you'll be told to go to Leonardo da Vinci's personal life and put it there, because the page about his artistic career is simply too long.
 * There are thousands of articles in English wiki, and very few of them actually fall into that category of completeness. But my advice is, look before you leap. That means look at the whole article and also the "See also" option and the little blue headings that say "Main article: such and such". You might, for example, think "But there's not much here about Leonardo as a scientist!". If you look carefully, you'll find that under the small bit about Leonardo's science, there is a lead to a
 * Look at the context of you edits. It's typical of new editors that they read a sentence and think "Wow, I could add something!" and put it in the wrong place. Here's an example:-
 * "The original pipe organ in the choir triforium was built by Hill in 1867. There are recitals every Thursday at 1 pm. It has two manuals and 10 ranks and is linked to the Walker organ (1885) of four manuals and 15 ranks, located in the rear gallery." A little bit more thought, and that useful piece of information would have been where it doesn't disrupt the technical details, and in a place where people who are interested in that fact will find it better.


 * Among the articles that really need attention there are hundreds that are labelled as "stubs". This means that hardly any work has been done on them, and almost anything you add will be a contribution, but most particularly if you can back it up by citing a written source. For many topics, citing a website is enough, though books and articles, online or on the shelf, are preferred.

About the pic that you uploaded.


 * I have already changed the description, but the name needs changing as well, but I don't think this can be done easily.
 * If you took the pic, and you don't mind other people using it, then delete it where it is now (or request a deletion if you can't do it yourself) Then upload it again to Wkimedia Commons which is a big repository of free images.
 * Make sure you label it appropriately. "Vatican corridor 01" would probably do.

Hope this is useful!

--Amandajm 01:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)