User talk:The sunder king/Archive 4

Certainly
I would be more than willing to adopt you. It's been a little while since I've had an "official" adoptee, so I'm pretty excited about it :). I won't be back on for a few hours, but feel free to leave any questions on my talk page and when I get back on I will answer them for you; you may even receive an answer from one of my friends while I'm gone. I hope that I will be able to answer all of your questions. Cheers :) The Hyb rid  14:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm around, and will be off and on for several hours if you have any questions. I'm generally on from 22:00 UTC to 06:00 UTC off and on. Occasionally I'm able to get on at around 14:00 UTC, but not often. I will respond to all of your questions as soon as I see them, as I consider my adoptees my number 1 responsibility. Cheers, The Hyb rid  20:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I've posted some comments on the PR, and done a general cleanup of the Theories section of the article. I will be monitoring the Peer Review to make sure everything goes smoothly. Good job on the article, BTW. Peace, The Hyb rid  23:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Upon my discovery of User:HAL/Adopt, I figured that I should inform you that I don't have a "lesson plan", or any other kind of curriculum or set of benchmarks that I expect you to meet before I graduate you. This is a volunteer site, and I am a Libertarian after all ;). I intend to treat you like an adult. You have specific goals on this site, and you have certain things that you feel you need to learn to meet those goals. I intend to teach you whatever you need to be taught to meet those goals, and I don't feel that a lesson plan will help me to do that any more effectively. The best way to learn is through experience. As you go through the processes on this site I will walk you through how to handle them, but you will be doing most, if not all of the work on your own. I'm not going to leave you hanging, but I will let you be as independent as you want to be. I will intervene directly only if you think that I need to, or if I see a problem that requires an established user stepping in. For example: if you run across a user with control issues on an article, then I will step in and solve the problem personally without being asked. If you think that you can handle them, then I will disengage, but that is one instance where I would make my presence known uninvited. So, I won't step in unless there is an uncommon or an unrealistically difficult problem impeding the editing process, or you specifically ask me to. I intend to give you advice whenever you ask for it, or I see that you need it, but mostly you will be doing the work since that is the best way to learn. I hope that this is alright. I can change my teaching strategy if you feel that I should, but this is the default mode for me. Cheers, The Hyb rid  00:21, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Areet Sunder King
I would like to say congrats on the Mackem article, you have really made it look good over the last few weeks, keep up the good work marra. Gazh 14:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You seem to be quite knowledgeable about the how's and do's of Wiki. I have wanted to create an article on The Bridges for a while, is it something you would consider looking into? Gazh 14:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes I would consider creating an article on the bridges. After all it is quite notable, go ahead and create it but make sure you put a lot of content in it. Or someone might come along and consider it for deletion. The sunder king 14:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I have put a stub up, fingers crossed it survives for a bit until it gets more content.

The Bridges

Gazh 10:30, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Aye it's looking quite strong already, quality job mate. Gazh 10:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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We need to mention the extention in 2000, not sure how old you are but i can remember when you could walk from the old park lane bus station (more like a shed) all the way down to the Crowtree Leisure Centre. Gazh 12:59, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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Crowtree Leisure Centre

If you want to have a look. Gazh 13:27, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure about that, i think there is plenty of articles that can be created about things in or related to Sunderland, however i think the key is timing, too much too soon and someone will just delete the lot - i've been on here long enough to know that. Gazh 13:44, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Cup
After a few months on the project, your idea is probably one of the best, and i would be more than happy to help with anything you need, design for award, page/format help, so contact me at my talk page, i would like to know if it is going to be a smie-annual thing? El- Nin 09  17:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have an idea, Go to my WikiCup Page to see ideas for templates we can alter to implement in! El- <font color="blue" face="Trebuchet MS">Nin <font color="orange" face="Trebuchet MS">09  17:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I propose that we have a panel of an odd number of judges whom give each user a rating out of 10 (incl. .5's) in the category chosen for that round, then using the average as their final score. Should some teams end on an equal amount (with one having to be eliminated) then we have a contributions face-off, over the following 24 hours we give the edits they make a rating out of 10. Again finding the average, if that is impossible, we just eliminate both of them lol. <font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">El- <font color="blue" face="Trebuchet MS">Nin <font color="orange" face="Trebuchet MS">09  18:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No, but im sure i can scavenge around and find 3 or so. (5 judges) - Just on his area! <font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">El-  <font color="blue" face="Trebuchet MS">Nin <font color="orange" face="Trebuchet MS">09  18:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Made some major changes to my page! <font color="Red" face="Trebuchet MS">El- <font color="lightsteelblue"><font color="blue" face="Trebuchet MS">Nin <font color="green" face="Times">09 20:07, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Just to let you know i was proposing that the page i created be a mere page to test our things on, have the official page at WikiCup or similar.<font color="Red" face="Trebuchet MS">El- <font color="lightsteelblue"><font color="blue" face="Trebuchet MS">Nin <font color="green" face="Times">09 12:27, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with the fact they should enter themselves. In that case i will keep the actual tournament on my subpages. <font color="Red" face="Trebuchet MS">El- <font color="lightsteelblue"><font color="blue" face="Trebuchet MS">Nin <font color="green" face="Times">09 14:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Any replies from the Hybrid will be here
I only have a couple of minutes right now, so I'll answer the RfA question first. The answer is you have a fair chance at passing, but it's going to be close. The first thing that I see you can do is set your preferences, under the editing tab, to have the server prompt you when you make an edit without an edit summary. The RFA board wants the summary ratio to be almost 100%. Your ratio for major edits is 87%, and the ratio for minor edits is 45%. That isn't enough to sink an RfA, but it is enough to effect some of the borderline votes that will come due to the experience factor. The second thing that you can do is take part in talk page discussions more often. Your number of talk space edits is not bad, but it could be a little bit better. However, the edits that you make are quality ones, so I think that you legitimately have a fair shot at making admin. If you wait until you have 2000 edits total, then you will probably pass, and after 2500 or 3000 it should be in the bag so long as you keep up your good editing habits. Cheers, <font color="Steel blue">The <font color="Maroon">Hyb <font color="Green">rid  22:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

What type of competition is this exactly? <font color="Steel blue">The <font color="Maroon">Hyb <font color="Green">rid  02:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Copyediting isn't really something that I enjoy, but I would be interested in a position, as this sounds like a good idea. What exactly are the positions going to be? If there is a ref spot, then I would be interested in that, but if not I could probably help to plan how this will be executed if that is necessary. I could also help to advertise it. Peace, <font color="Steel blue">The <font color="Maroon">Hyb <font color="Green">rid  16:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

re; Jimbo's talkpage
It really was a joke, no offense! LessHeard vanU 20:29, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I am not offended, do not worry. The sunder king 09:13, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

NPA
I realise that the AfD in question evoked strong feelings on both sides, but describing other editors as idiots is hardly helpful. Please try and avoid personal attacks. WjBscribe 16:25, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, not a big deal and thanks for agreeing to rephrase. If you look at your comment again, you will see that it does single out a particular editor (though you do not name them). WjBscribe 16:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's bad :P. At least you understand that, unlike some people... (Hybrid grumbles over countless old memories) <font color="Steel blue">The <font color="Maroon">Hyb <font color="Green">rid  19:40, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

York categories
Thanks for telling me, but I'm aware of it, and have voted for a merger. They were pretty pointless. Cheers for telling me though. Mattythewhite 16:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

You OK?
Just checking in to make sure you're doing alright. <font color="Steel blue">The <font color="Maroon">Hyb <font color="Green">rid  01:10, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Good nomination. I had stumbled across that article a long time back, but was too inexperienced to know to AfD it. I'm glad this article is finally being taken care of, and that you're the one to do it. Keep up the good work, <font color="Steel blue">The <font color="Maroon">Hyb <font color="Green">rid  23:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I would say wait at least 500-1000 edits. This may seem like a long time to wait, but believe me, it will make a huge difference. Your edit count should be at least 2000 before you run. Editcounitis is rampant on that board, <font color="Steel blue">The <font color="Maroon">Hyb <font color="Green">rid  09:53, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I have not, actually. I'll need some time to read over that so I can get a feel for the atmosphere. If content writing isn't looked upon as an expected criterion anymore, then I may run as well :). <font color="Steel blue">The <font color="Maroon">Hyb <font color="Green">rid  10:01, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

If you want to try running now, then I guess that you can. I don't see how waiting 500 edits or so could be a bad thing, but if you want to, then I won't encourage you not to. I have no idea what to expect from RfAs right now since no decisions have been reached yet. I won't be running, just in case you were wondering. Cheers, <font color="Steel blue">The <font color="Maroon">Hyb <font color="Green">rid  04:06, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Wiki World Cup
How do I join? If I can join, can I be Germany if that's OK. Thanks, Davnel03 19:38, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Page now open, sorry, I accidentally deleted some stuff, so thought I'd have a redo at some small bits. <font color="Red" face="Trebuchet MS">El- <font color="lightsteelblue"><font color="blue" face="Trebuchet MS">Nin <font color="green" face="Times">09 19:21, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I have made some minor changes to your template. <font color="Red" face="Trebuchet MS">El- <font color="lightsteelblue"><font color="blue" face="Trebuchet MS">Nin <font color="green" face="Times">09 17:15, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You may be interested in the userbox <font color="Red" face="Trebuchet MS">El- <font color="lightsteelblue"><font color="blue" face="Trebuchet MS">Nin <font color="green" face="Times">09 18:48, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

RE:RfC
The community has reached a compromise on the issue, so I don't see why you want to stir it up again. I will comment on it if the RfC catches on with the larger community, but otherwise I'm going to just let it die. I'm actually the exact opposite of you in how I view userboxes. If you read this essay, the description that fits me is Libertarian. Peace,  The Hybrid   T /<font color="Green">C   22:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see much wrong with the current situation. I do, however, appreciate you binging up this issue, as it is constantly changing. My opinion is that userboxes are a positive thing, and that possibly "offensive" userboxes violate Censorship. To me, removing userboxes due to content is out of the question. In the event that another debate heats up (which I highly doubt - the community has really run out of patience), I will debate my point to the best of my abilities. Regards, The UserboxerComplain/ubx 20:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Editor reviews are very helpful. Anyway, people aren't ignoring it because you are a regular user; it is because WP:UM was the compromise to a very large dispute, and no one wants to stir the dispute up again by commenting. As far as the community is concerned, the dispute is over, and it's time to Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass. It isn't about the nominator, it is about the nominator's message. As for feeling like you're going to explode, I definitely know what that feels like. Whenever you feel that way, just get up from the compy, pour yourself a glass of your favorite drink, sit down and watch 1 episode of a TV show that you enjoy that isn't about politics, and try not to think about it. When you come back you should be refreshed, and ready for action. Cheers,  The Hybrid   T /<font color="Green">C   23:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Feeling better?  The Hybrid   T /<font color="Green">C   14:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have pointed this out before. If I edit the page, then it will be archived off of the main ER page in 30 days, so I wanted to wait to make sure you would have at least 2 reviews before it got archived by waiting until another person reviews you first. Like I said, I should have pointed this out before, and I apologize. If you are feeling sick of this place, then perhaps you should look around the department of fun for some things to lighten up your mood, or take a wikibreak. Everyone becomes sick of this place every once in a while. Just like real life, this place has its ups and downs. Cheers,  The Hybrid   T /<font color="Green">C   14:16, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

While I'm not saying that you're wrong to be one, I should point out that one of the reasons that you're having a hard time is because you're a deletionist. Most people aren't, so you're fighting an uphill battle. For example, such things as nominating the userbox essay for deletion leave a bad taste in people's mouths. One of the keys to a successful Wiki career is to know when to pick your battles. That really isn't a battle worth fighting, IMHO. Anything targeting the subpage of an established user is generally ill-received, and almost any kind of content is considered acceptable to keep in a subpage so long as you aren't keeping a blog, or a personal photo album. While Wikipedia needs deletionists to keep things from devolving, you will be a lot less stressed out if you only choose to fight battles that absolutely need to be fought. Cheers,  The Hybrid   T /<font color="Green">C   14:29, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

You sound a lot like me when I first got here. I had an entire essay written on how broken Wikipedia was at User:The Hybrid/View, even. Almost every new, good-faith editor goes through this phase. If you stick with it, as you gain experience and a greater understanding of how Wikipedia works, you will understand that it does just that; it works, and you will grow to love it. It just takes some time. There's really nothing that anyone can do to help this be easier, so all I can say is don't quit, and everything will work out fine in the end. Peace,  The Hybrid   T /<font color="Green">C   14:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, don't nominate every damn page on Wikipedia for deletion :P.  The Hybrid   T /<font color="Green">C   14:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

May I be blunt?  The Hybrid   T /<font color="Green">C   14:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to be blunt. Stay away from nominating user subpages. That will make people hate you, and whatever you do, do not nominate the department of fun for deletion! You will be hanged, drawn, and quartered if you do. People hate deletionists.  The Hybrid   T /<font color="Green">C   14:39, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, hatred will bog down your chances. Anyway, as far as the essay goes, almost anything is tolerated in user subspace so long as the user contributes to the encyclopedia actively. My entire userpage is transcluded subpages. If you were to nominate the page I have set aside for my barnstars, it would be kept because of who I am, and not because the page is good. If I were to nominate your awards page for deletion, it would be kept because of who you are as well. Anything can be kept in user subspace, even an essay on userboxes :P. The page will be kept is what I'm trying to tell you, and it won't exactly help your popularity that you nominated it. Wikipedia has certain social expectations that every new user has trouble adapting to. Like I said before, it takes time. Eventually you will learn them, and even love them. Cheers,  The Hybrid   T /<font color="Green">C   14:49, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

For proof that I understand where you're coming from, see [this revision of my user page from a while back. Cheers,  [[User:The Hybrid| The Hybrid ]] T /<font color="Green">C   14:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Civility issues
Please note that edit summaries like this where you tell another editor to "fuck off," and this  where you call another editor a "loser" and this  where you characterize notification templates and good faith edits as vandalism are entirely unacceptable on Wikiepdia, per our civility (WP:CIVIL) and no personal attacks (WP:NPA) policies. I strongly advise you to desist from such actions in the future. -Chunky Rice 19:00, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Fine then, but the community isn't fair on me because I am not part of the "admin crew", and everyone ignores me. When I nominate someone for RFA "OPPOSE OPPOSE", when I nominate a deletion "KEEP KEEP" when I start a dicussion "IGNORE IGNORE!" its annoying, and I am stressed. The sunder king 19:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * We all get stressed from time to time. If Wikipedia is making you crazy, then you might want to consider taking a short break and collecting yourself before you edit.  Regarding your AfDs, all I can say is that I think you're making some bad choices and not really understanding the relevant policies.  If you're interested in discussing why they failed, I'd be glad to talk to you about it in more detail.
 * Looking at your history, it looks like you've gotten pretty upset about the lack of response to your RfC and Editor review after only a day. Sometimes these things take much much longer than that to get a comment.  I'm an admin (presumably part fo the "admin crew" as you say) and my last RfC took weeks to get just 4 responses.  Just RELAX and remember that Wikipedia is not that big a deal, in the grand sceme of things. -Chunky Rice 19:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Danger, Will Robinson!
Danger, Will Robinson!

Hi, sunder king. I came here to urge you to rethink your wikipedia editing habits, as your recent nominations for deletion today have caused a bit of stir up to the point of being slightly disruptive. At the very least you might consider keeping a closer contact to your adopter. Compounding this was a display of high incivility, which will not be tolerated here on Wikipedia. I see that many of your contributions are quite constructive, but if your current behavior continues I fear this will eclipse your good contributions and lead to consequences. In that sense, stay cool, best wishes and happy editing! Charon<font color="Black">X /talk 19:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)