User talk:The wub/archive15

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Unfair
Sorry, I should have said that several of the arguments to keep boil down et cetera.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  08:17, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Miskin
Dear wub, some time ago I promised to try to avoid conflict with user:Miskin (see my talk page), although I thought it would be impossible to completely evade him, given some overlap of interests. I tried very hard to mind my own business afterwards, and at some point, there seemed to be an overture towards building a possible base of mutual trust. (I have had a short correspondence with you about that.) As far as I can tell, this attempt has been ineffective. However, today I happened to place a critical comment on the talk page for Fall of Constantinople, not directed to Miskin, but addressing an issue in the article and providing a source with it. This was followed by a very hostile answer from Miskin. I quote from the discussion Fall of Constantinople and Renaissance:


 * "I'm really surprised that you are questioning such a fundemental historical concept - Britannica has even got an article entirely devoted to it. Also, Iblardi, you recently received a warning in your Talk page about staying away from articles that I'm editing, due to your history of WP:Stalking... Please, unless you have a non-trolling comment to make to make, do stay away. Miskin"

In my subsequent answer, at first, I concentrated on the factual part of his comment, but as I gave it a second thought, I decided that I actually do not have to, and am not going to, put up with this kind of slander at my address anymore (i.e. continuing unfounded accusations of trolling, sockpuppetry and the like). Please do something about this, I am fed up with this behaviour. Thank you for your understanding. Iblardi 19:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I didn't mention anything about sockpuppetry, mind your accusations. So how did you "try very hard to mind your own business?" Does that mean not looking at my watchlist while I was on a wp-break? I stayed away from the articles you edited such as Justinian I, but you failed to stay away from the articles I edit. In addition you appeared on more articles I would edit, ones that were irrelevant to your general interests (e.g. Sparta, medieval Greek etc). Every single time you would confront me there and make a comment against my editing practice. Now you are doing the exact same thing. Your comments on that last article you quoted here was on an edit I had made only a few days ago, so it was indirectly directed to me. After some 4 years of editing WP I think I'm in position to have an opinion about serious remarks versus trolling. The "innefective attempt" Iblardi is talking about was in effect the result of my attempt to reconcile with him. I awaited for a reply which never came, instead I witnessed the same stalking-like attitude from his part, plus an unwillingness to keep a distance from certain articles, as I did with Justinian I. The bottom line is that Iblardi dislikes me because of the Greier issue and he wants to get back at me, hence there's nothing a mediation or myself can do in order to remedy this. Had Iblardi wanted to reconcile, he would have responded to my last email, or he would have emailed me on his own will. The fact that he seeks mediation on a matter in which he clearly is the only actor, means that he's intersted in seeking revenge via some sort of punishment or warning. That's the way I see it. Iblardi if you think I'm wrong then leave the_wub alone and answer my last email. Comments such as "do something about this, I'm fed up with this behaviour" make you look bitter. You have never tried to approach me yourself, so reconciliation is obviously not your primary target. That's why my claims on your stalking-like behaviour have a solid basis. Miskin 20:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, upon re-reading this... Maybe, if I had counted to ten and read the above comment more carefully, I would have realised it was Miskin's edit I had been attacking before finding out on my own later. But anyway, we have been corresponding about this afterwards and I think it's fair to say we shook hands; as Miskin said, this has all been a big misunderstanding. Iblardi 22:07, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to hear you've sorted it. Sorry for my absence, I've been very busy in real life the past week or so and was just catching up on what had happened. the wub "?!"  23:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Precedential value of no-delete decisions
Hi. Is there any precedential value under Wiki to no-delete decisions? For example, there were no-delete decisions made vis-a-vis Jewish sportspeople and Jewish fencers (which you were involved with). And yet, with many of the same people still seeking to delete Jewish athlete categories, and the same arguments bandied about (that had led to no-delete decisions), we now have received a delete decision. In the real world, there is the notion that prior opinions have precedential value. Is that the case in the Wiki world? Many thanks. --Epeefleche 00:11, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It's complicated. There's some good information at Consensus. the wub "?!"  11:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks. Its not as though consensus changed. Essentially the arguments and numbers were the same. And it is not as though a considerable amount of time had passed. So the examples mentioned are inapposite. A different conclusion was reached, however.

I've asked that the decision be reconsidered, and indicated that I will appeal if it is not.

Is it possible to restore the tags (which I see you've now removed) until the reconsideration and appeal process is finished?

Many thanks.

--Epeefleche 13:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Can you point me to where the discussion took place, I can't seem to find it. Also where/who have you asked to reconsider? the wub "?!"  14:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Radiant%21 contains both references to the discussions, and the person whom I asked to consider, under the Jewish Figures Skaters section that is third from the end ... thanks. --Epeefleche 02:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Just to update you, Radiant did not see fit to reconsider, so I am seeking to have the discussion re-posted, and will then seek an appeal. Thanks. --Epeefleche 23:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

My RfA


Hello, thank you for supporting my RfA! I was promoted with a final tally of 68/12/0. Also, please wish a Happy Birthday to Her Majesty the Queen. Vivat Regina!

Category:Anti-Islam sentiment
You deleted this category, but you forgot to delete the talk page. Can you please fix this?--Sefringle 18:27, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks for the heads up. the wub "?!"  18:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Poll options on Fred Dibnah's birthplace
I've started a poll on Talk:Fred Dibnah with four options for his birthplace area. As you've edited the main Fred Dibnah article, I'm letting you know about this Poll and the chance to vote one of the options. Cwb61 (talk)  00:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC)