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Image copyright problem with Image:NCSUreactor-plans1.jpg
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that wasn't very nice

Deletion detail request - help getting them replaced

 * Hi, first, thanks for taking an interest in the images! I know that seems odd to say but many people don't. I'm going to be a little nonstandard in answering this in regards to my formatting since there are so many questions. I will intersperse my answers with your original text. - cohesion 16:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I have a number of questions regarding fair use and deletion of pictures in the series Template:U.S. Research Reactors.


 * After images are deleted finding them by template is very difficult, I am looking at these images when I talk about them in a group. - cohesion 16:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Before I uploaded these, I looked absolutely everywhere I could (man! you have a lot of articles on FU) and concluded that the general policy is that fair-use can be used for existing structures but is slightly frowned upon, in fact, there was a specific tag for this. I can't remember it now, deleted stuff doesn't have history behind it as I'm discovering.


 * Yes, our policies are very complicated, we try to make them not be, but wikis in general have a problem with instruction creep. The tag you may be thinking about is AutoReplaceable fair use buildings. This is the tag that was on the images you uploaded except for one, which used promotional. To better understand the replaceable fair use building one, you probably first need to know some background on the dropdown menu. Some of the selections in the drop down are not acceptable long-term tags. They are tags that notify people that there is a problem, or notify the uploader to correct something. We tried for a long time having only selections that were acceptable, but that meant people would just choose anything even if it were wrong. For example, if we removed the "Don't know" option even people that actually don't know just select something random, like GFDL. My suggestion is read the template message carefully, don't assume that just because it's a template the image is ok. AutoReplaceable fair use buildings is an example of one that is not ok. Basically it is saying "This is an image of a building that is being used under fair use, but it is replaceable, meaning we could get another one under a free content license" If this is true it violates the first non-free content criteria.

Were they deleted because I didn't give sufficient fair-use reasoning? I understand that you're doing this under a speedy deletion policy, but it also says in Non-free_content:


 * The speedy deletion rules are the exact set of conditions under which something is ok to delete. The main policy that would be of interest to you I think is the Non-free content criteria. But that is correct, they were deleted for not having sufficient fair use reasoning. They lacked a fair-use rationale. For a guideline in making one see the fair use rationale guideline. You must really address the first criteria though, because that is what people will be concerned about. - cohesion 16:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Images that were uploaded before 13 July 2006 may not be immediately deleted. The editor should be alerted as to the problem with the image and will be given seven days to comply with this policy. The image will then be deleted without further warning if corrective action has not been taken.

In summary, I would be glad to write more FU rational or take whatever corrective actions are required and within my capabilities. They were only ever intended to be used in the article of the respective article and no where else, so I don't think this would be hard. I don't remember how much I wrote before and I apologize if it was insufficient.

The rational of fair use in those instances is, as best as I understand it, that no free-licensed image exists. I've read all kinds of overly-long debates about weather this also applies to cases where a free-licensed picture could be taken. The pictures I'm looking for are:


 * Exists or could be created. The could be created is important, and while some people in the past disagreed with this, it is the consensus policy. For extremely difficult to create images this is obviously not black and white. We usually lean towards the side of extreme difficulty is not a rationale, but reactor core images may well exceed that limit. - cohesion 16:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Reactor core pictures
 * Reactor building pictures
 * Historical pictures of the above two

Is the proper course of action to post requests for pictures of the reactors? Is the current use of other pictures prohibited? Even after reading up on the issue, it is beyond me weather they it is or isn't. Some of the pictures still get deleted, and by multiple administrators which I'm sure will complicate the issue. These are pictures that are widely available and circulated but still non-trivial to take.


 * You can request images of reactor cores if you want Requested pictures. I would do that in addition to any other steps you wanted to do though. I don't understand your second question here, nothing we have done prohibits you from adding images to the articles. Think of administrators more like janitors than rule-makers, the rules are made by everyone :) You certainly haven't done anything bad! The images were deleted by 2 people, myself and another, how our workflows work is not entirely consistent, so we might miss some etc. If you want to re-upload the images with a better rationale that's great :) - cohesion 16:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

For a case of the last point, see the NCSU reactor program article, a picture of the first reactor obtained from the university archives was deleted. This exact case occurs elsewhere in Wikipedia and the tag used is:

Replaceable fair use disputed | The reactor no longer exists.

Should I be notifying the editors of that article that it will be deleted? For fair-use rational: The picture is necessary to illustrate the subject of the article, an equivalent can't be obtained by other means, and has to be given rational in every case it is used.


 * I can't find the image you're talking about, but it sounds like someone marked this one as replaceable, and that was contested. This is possible. This is a slightly different path than your images took. After 7 days these images are decided on based on the discussion. If the building no longer exists, and it is the topic of discussion in an article I would say this is not replaceable and the rationale is acceptable. This is only hypothetical though, since I don't know which image :) - cohesion 16:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm fairly new to Wikipedia and I plan to contribute much more(and move ahead on this series which now has other people working on it too), which is why it is very important to me to get these questions answered.

Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Theanphibian (talk • contribs) 13:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC).


 * Hope that answered everything, I think the key thing is that wikipedia is a free content encyclopedia, so anything that isn't licensed under some free content license has to jump through a lot of hoops. You might read Basic copyright issues too for some explanation of our policies. Feel free to ask me if you have any other questions, or at Media copyright questions. One more thing to remember, the license dropdown menu does not list all of the templates at all, just the most common. For a full list see Image license tags. These are manually added later simply by clicking the edit link on the image page and replacing or adding new template text (the template name between double curly brackets) - cohesion 16:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

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