User talk:Thebestwinter/Archive 1

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Hello thebest winter, i also noticed you removed all details in Loona members Section. I know sourcing is important, but just because they are not sourced doesnt mean they are inaccurate, its just hard to source when they are not yet debuted. This is making it hard for new fans to look up their details. I think this is not making it better when one knows that certain infos are correct but just lacking the quotations. I mean how do you quote infos you get from asking the members directly in fansign for example? They are idols, basic infos like birthdate and real names are...basic. They can actually be quoted too just need to do some research ^^. Plus the extra details like the member's colors and animal representation are blatant obvious. Pls correct this :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RogueThree (talk • contribs) 05:48, 6 August 2017 (UTC)


 * First of all Wikipedia is not a fansite, we are not responsible for keeping fans updated. Stuff like member's colors and animal representation is even less relevant for Wikipedia, there has been a discussion about this on the talk page already check it out yourself. I also linked to the BLP policy, the guidelines for adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page. You need to follow the rules, it clearly says "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion" so yes without reliable sources it is indeed inaccurate. Again you can find more information about reliable sources regarding living persons here. Also birth dates and fullnames are usually not added to group articles only when they have their own articles, this is already a special treatment K-pop articles get.--Thebestwinter (talk) 18:18, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

IU
Excuse me to write what I wanted to say here but I'm new and I don't know how to talk to other members. I thought it would be better to talk about "+" concerning "IU discography" Cause I found it really impolite of me to just add every + back Pooriyaa (talk) 18:25, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If you want to talk about it you should have started a discussion on the talk page of "IU discography". Anyway I already told you there is no need to add a "+", there is a reason why we add sources. No other featured list on Wikipedia uses something like it see Katy Perry discography, Taylor Swift discography or Girls' Generation discography. You mostly see it on K-pop related articles but if the source says 1000 then it is 1000 not 1000+ or whatever. if you wish to discuss it further open a discussion on the talk page of "IU discography" so you can get opinions of other users.--Thebestwinter (talk) 18:43, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Well you have a point about sources but not all sources are complete. In case of IU the sales of her latest single ( Palette) only shows the first to weeks of release. Also some tracks are before the creation of Gaon Chart so there are no exact sources for their sales. Even if you check discographies of Exo or Apink you can see +. If you look at Gaon Album chart specially during the time Palette was released some of her albums like a flower bookmark charted in the weekly chart but their sales were not strong enough to chart on the monthly chart that actually shows the number of sales and that is why I insisted to add + to show the readers that these numbers are not exact. And the reason that I came to discuss it with you was that they were there for a long long time 'til you suddenly removed them all and when I tried to re-add them you removed them again. By the way thank you for answering my last comment. Pooriyaa (talk) 07:18, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I gave you examples for featured lists on Wikipedia for a reason. Just because another article does it doesn't make it right or necessary. Also it doesn't matter for how long it has been like this because most K-pop articles are a mess, which is why you should look at good articles or featured lists and if you have more time you can check the guidelines of Wikipedia.--Thebestwinter (talk) 16:22, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't really understand why you revert my edits on IU discography. I add the sales based on Gaon weekly Chart and I added the number of downloads in the week but the sources you added are according to monthly charts. Now we are on 23rd September so the songs have charted for at least 2 weeks. Just because you use monthly chart as a source doesn't mean that we can't update the sales according to weekly charts and after the monthly chart is published you can use it as a source. But you just revert everything. It would have been better if you reverted the names of singles to their Hangul form instead of romanized ones. Pooriyaa (talk) 19:36, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * How can you not understand what my problem is with your edit? It is not enough to copy the download sales and to add them to the page, you need to add the correct source and link it. Do you expect random people who look at the page to search up Gaon to see if the numbers are correct? If you want to help add the correct source.--Thebestwinter (talk) 19:41, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I added the sources but you didn't revert the romanized names to their Hangul ones. Their correct names in Korean script can be really helpful. Pooriyaa (talk) 20:05, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what you are talking about, I simply used what Gaon uses as headline. If you compare my edit I simply reverted the numbers, nothing else. You had no source added. Next time remember to add the link and not only the numbers.--Thebestwinter (talk) 20:09, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I think I didn't express my suggestion very well. I meant it would be great if you could change the romanized versions of Korean titles to Korean script. For example in case of "Friday" revert the new (Geumyoire Mannayo) to the old korean version (금요일에 만나요). Someone changed hangul names to romanized version of them but I think it's more useful to have their Korean names. I just meant it would be great if you could revert that new edit. Pooriyaa (talk) 20:26, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Shinee Key
Hi. If you are still not convinced that Key graduated from Myongji University, I urge you to visit the page and see the list of alumnus. Please take a look at the page at Myongji University. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Requiem II (talk • contribs) 02:07, 17 July 2016 (UTC) --Thebestwinter (talk) 16:07, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh I'll aware of the fact that he went to Myongji I'm a fan after all but this is Wikipedia and there needs to be a reliable source. The page for the university also has no source to prove anything. Actually the whole section there could be deleted if an admin looked over it. I'll try to find a reliable source myself when I have time.
 * There's no need for such sources. See other Korean Universities. Most, if not all of them are un-sourced but they are reliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Requiem II (talk • contribs) 00:14, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Sources absolutely are needed. I don't know why you are saying they are not. Random86 (talk) 01:29, 18 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Alright. So a lot of work are needed to review them. Some of which are not sourced yet are: Chung-Ang University, Dongguk University, Kookmin University and Sungkyunkwan University. There are many, many more which are un-sourced for the notable alumni section. I checked the list of Universities in Korea and there are tons of them (including Seoul) still not yet sourced. Your help to review them would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Requiem II (talk • contribs) 04:02, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Exo's Korean and Chinese version of the songs
Hello! in EXO discography, should the sales of Korean and Chinese versions of one song be counted as one? I would appreciate your input here → Talk:Exo discography. Thank you. GD.BB (talk) 05:14, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Monsta X discography
hello, i think you understimate about my edit. i don't do edit war with you, maybe you too sensitive about it, hahahaha. i just put some information in there. as you know that Hero and Stuck not official music video it's SPECIAL CLIP like honestly, amen, white sugar, etc. please check the video on offical youtube "starship". If you want to know which official MV you'll know that monsta x will publish MV on 1theK beside Starship. if you truly know about monsta X and want to help put important information in there. For Jooheon case, COACH ME include no.mercy project like pillow so you must include it on monsta x discography not only jooheon's article. please look up the other articles from Kpop not just only pegged one article such Girls generation. Don't you say wanna to improve kpop article related? :) Regards Fenny novita (talk) 02:39, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * First of all I'm not "too sensitive". I'm trying to fix the article because it has too much information - it is a Wikipedia article not a fanpage, we do not list every single thing someone has done, it has to be relevant and it needs a reliable source to justify it. "Hero" was released and promoted on music shows, it is literally their most popular music video so yes it is relevant enough to be added. I'm not sure about "Stuck" but it seems more professional so I didn't remove it. Also no we don't have to include songs of Jooheon because he has his own article except it involves another member. Plus it's called "Monsta X discography" not "No Mercy discography". If any other member should be notable enough to get an own article their songs will also be moved to their own page. Girls' Generation's discography is the perfect article to look at - it is a featured list, which is a big deal here on Wikipedia. I also asked you to take this to the discography talk page not mine. There are other editors like Abdotorg and Snowflake91, who might be interested to join this discussion. I can also contact an admin and ask for his opinion.--Thebestwinter (talk) 10:17, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Don't you know that Amen beside Hero and Stuck promoted on music shows, it's okay Self-cam not includes but you should more observation about this. And i know what's different of wikipedia or fanpage, i'm editor too from different subject. Not only Girls' Generation's discography, i'm notice too that all articles pegged just girls generation, like endorsement. Look on TVXQ's article, seems like other curator write same with mine but you said must looks up on Girls' Generation's endorsement and everything section from there, i'm always notice it. Please, don't just pegged from one article if you want to put information on Kpop article. You don't say about it before, so you must write so clearly. Of course, please contact them because we need more discusion. Wikipedia is public article but it ain't fansite, don't you? I'm being cutrator just for put some information not do edit war or anything, and i put information based from others Kpop articles. Fenny novita (talk) 05:58, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Again I'm using Girls' Generation's discography because it is the only featured list besides T-ara's for K-pop related content. I use it to show new editors what they are doing wrong, more experienced editors obviously don't need it. Girls' Generation is also one of the few good articles. TVXQ however is not, it was delisted years ago. I'll ask an admin about the music videos, it is the fastest way to get an answer.--Thebestwinter (talk) 12:43, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Variety shows
Hello, I've noticed that most actors' pages still have guest appearances on variety shows, whereas most on kpop idols have been removed. Should those on actors' pages be removed as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.218.248.165 (talk) 06:00, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, guest and one off appearances add little relevance to the career and have to be removed per WikiProject Korea/Popular culture#Eradication of variety show sections. This also applies to actors as far as I'm informed. If a guest appearances had huge impact to the actors career it can be mentioned in the text otherwise it's irrelevant.--Thebestwinter (talk) 06:50, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Reverted edits
Hi. You reverted my edits separating a reference with multiple URLs. Why do yo think your version is better? Moreover, you deleted Shownu's birth date. Jordi Lemebel (talk) 19:34, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * No I reverted your edit with the following source. It is unreliable, which is why I removed it again. Just look at the source, does smth like "fun facts" seem like a reliable source to you? Also it looks like the members secton was simply copied from Wikipedia at some point. Also there wasn't really a reason to separate the reference with multiple URLs because it was linked correctly but whatever it doesn't really matter however don't add birth names or birthdays without a reliable source. For more information see WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources.--Thebestwinter (talk) 19:46, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

You reverted much more than one reference. Now the article is a mess. Jordi Lemebel (talk) 19:54, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * No I didn't. I'll look over it again but as far as I can see nothing is a mess.--Thebestwinter (talk) 19:57, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Now I realized that you reverted only one edit. I thought you had reverted all my edits. Abdotorg explained it. Jordi Lemebel (talk) 20:05, 16 September 2017 (UTC)