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WikiCup 2024 February newsletter
The 2024 WikiCup is off to a flying start, with 135 participants. This is the largest number of participants we have seen since 2017.

Our current leader is newcomer, who has one FA on John Littlejohn (preacher) and 10 GAs and 12 DYKs mostly on New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures. Here are some more noteworthy scorers:


 * , with one FA on Hö'elün, two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, and two DYKs;
 * , with one FA on Doom (2016 video game), one GA on Boundary Fire (2017), and 11 reviews;
 * , with one FA on Holidays (Meghan Trainor song), a nine-article FT on 30 (album), and two DYKs;
 * , with one FA on OneShot and one DYK;
 * , with five GAs and five DYKs on television and radio stations;
 * and, both with one FA and one DYK each.

As a reminder, competitors may submit work for the first round until 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February, and the second round starts 1 March. Remember that only the top 64 scoring competitors will make it through to the second round; currently, competitors need at least 15 points to progress. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAN, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Undefined sfn reference in Edith Roosevelt
Hi, in this edit to Edith Roosevelt you added,  , and. Unfortunately no such work "Morris 2013" is listed. This means that nobody can look the references up, and the article is added to Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors. If you could supply the missing source that would be appreciated. DuncanHill (talk) 22:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Catherine Samba-Panza
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Your GA nomination of Catherine Samba-Panza
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Your GA nomination of Anna Harrison
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Your GA nomination of Don't Be a Sucker
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Huh?
I was by Ray May this morning putting up a portrait and I saw you laid a "no significant coverage (sports)" template up for him last May. The guy played in 118 NFL games with 88 starts — that strikes me as a pretty inappropriate template for such a subject, no matter how terrible the stub is currently. Please find a better "sources needed" template for NFL players if you feel you must template rather than going the far preferred SOFIXIT route. Thanks, —tim //// Carrite (talk) 17:54, 27 February 2024 (UTC)


 * , WP:SPORTCRIT is clear: Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject. Template:No significant coverage (sports) is specifically made for articles like Ray May where the only listed source is a database entry. This is the better sources needed template. Please find significant coverage before removing the no significant coverage maintenance template. If significant coverage is not available, then the article should be merged or deleted. The big ugly alien  ( talk ) 18:12, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 March newsletter
The first round of the 2024 WikiCup ended at 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February. Everyone with at least 30 points moved on to Round 2, the highest number of points required to advance to the second round since 2014. Due to a six-way tie for the 64th-place spot, 67 contestants have qualified for Round 2.

The following scorers in Round 1 all scored more than 300 points:


 * , who has 916 points mostly from one FA on John Littlejohn (preacher), 15 GAs, and 16 DYKs on a variety of topics including New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures, in addition to seven reviews
 * , who has 790 points from two FAs on Felix M. Warburg House and Doom (2016 video game), two GAs, one DYK, and 11 reviews
 * , who has 580 points from one FA on Hö'elün, two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, two DYKs, and five reviews
 * , who has 420 points mostly from nine GAs and seven DYKs on television and radio stations
 * , who has 351 points from one FA on Holidays (Meghan Trainor song), a nine-article FT on 30 (album), and three DYKs
 * , who has 345 points from one FA on OneShot, one DYK and two reviews

In this newsletter, the judges would like to pay a special tribute to, who unfortunately passed away this February. At the time of his death, he was the second-highest-scoring competitor. Outside the WikiCup, he had eight other featured articles, five A-class articles, eight other good articles, and two Four Awards. Vami also wrote an essay on completionism, a philosophy in which he deeply believed. If you can, please join us in honoring his memory by improving one of the articles on his to-do list.

Remember that any content promoted after 27 February but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, feel free to review one of the nominations listed on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:41, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

New page reviewer granted
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Your GA nomination of Politics of Botswana
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Copyright issues on Scott Conger
Hi. Thanks for spotting the copyright issues on Scott Conger. I've declined the G12 as that applies only if all versions of the article are copyright violations. Earlier versions did not have any of teh copyrighted material that I could see. In such cases, you should revert to the latest clean version and use copyvio-revdel. On a related note, when you tag for G12, it's helpful for the reviewing admin if you do not blank the page. The G12 template includes a link to the copyvio tool which assumes the copyvio is in the current version. When the page is blanked, I have to manually set up the correct version to use the tool. Additionally, stuffing multiple URLs into one URL parameter also requires me to manually separate out the URLs and set up the copyvio tool. WP:Twinkle makes it easy to tag and supports multiple URLs for G12. Cheers. -- Whpq (talk) 04:07, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of War Machine
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Editor experience invitation
Hi Thebiguglyalien :) I'm looking for people to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 02:01, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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Beg to Differ with Articles for deletion/Henry Sullivan (composer)
I corrected the references for Henry Sullivan (composer).

I wanted to add that Sullivan wrote the script for the Broadway show Murray Anderson's Almanac (1929), of which some of the sketches were written by Noel Coward. From that show, he wrote the song I May Be Wrong (but I Think You're Wonderful) which has had its own Wikipedia page since 2006. It was sung by Doris Day as well by other notable singers. Starlighsky (talk) 01:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)


 * , it's entirely possible I was wrong. Right now it's in an Articles for Deletion discussion, which is a chance for anyone to come forward with sources to prove that it meets Wikipedia's notability requirements. If it can be shown that he meets any of the listed items at WP:MUSICBIO, then I'll gladly withdraw the deletion nomination. The big ugly alien  ( talk ) 02:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * His song I May Be Wrong (but I Think You're Wonderful) clearly meets the WP:MUSICBIO criteria:
 * Judy Garland - performed the song on Command Performance #134, August 19, 1944.
 * Dinah Shore - a single release for Columbia Records, catalog No. 37140. (1946)
 * Frankie Laine released a version in 1946, backed by Milton Delugg and the Swing Wing for Mercury Records, catalog No. 1205A.
 * Doris Day with Harry James - included in the album Young Man with a Horn. Released on Columbia CL-6106 in 1950.
 * Frank Rosolino released a version in 1956, on his I Play Trombone album.
 * The Four Freshmen - for their album Four Freshmen and Five Saxes (1957).
 * Bing Crosby and Rosemary Clooney recorded the song in 1958 for use on their radio show and it was subsequently included in the CD Bing & Rosie - The Crosby-Clooney Radio Sessions released in 2010.
 * Perry Como - included in his album Saturday Night with Mr. C (1958)
 * The Mills Brothers - included in the album Count Basie & The Mills Brothers – The Board Of Directors (1967).
 * Ray Charles recorded a version for his album Volcanic Action of My Soul (1971)
 * June Christy - A Friendly Session, Vol. 2 (1999)
 * Ella Fitzgerald and Joe Pass recorded it on their album Speak Love.
 * Starlighsky (talk) 03:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The Keeps are clearly the majority and it clearly meets the criteria the music notability. Is it okay if I delete the Articles for Deletion banner? Starlighsky (talk) 10:48, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The articles for deletion banner will be removed by an administrator when the process ends. I'm not sure what you mean by "the keeps are clearly the majority", as no one has commented on it besides you. The big ugly alien  ( talk ) 18:01, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No one is responding but me. Because of this, keeps are in the majority.
 * His music is clearly notable. However, the Article for Deletion is for a notable part of 20th century contemporary music. Starlighsky (talk) 19:45, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Everyone who voted voted Keep. Can I remove the Article for Deletion banner? Starlighsky (talk) 02:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
This is brilliant.

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RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I
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 * Proposal 18, initiated by, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
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Your GA nomination of Psi-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy
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Your GA nomination of Hugo's House of Horrors
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AC/DC PR request
Hey dude! Since you made the review for the first failed FAC for AC/DC (archive3), are you able to review the rest of the article? —  VAUGHAN J.   (t · c) 00:40, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Iron Man-related
Hi. I have noticed that you have been very protective of the Iron Man article including the decreasing of the alternate version bios like the Tony Stark of Earth-818 who operates as Ant-Man. Would you have a problem if I was to sort the "Other characters named Iron Man" from the "Alternative versions" section considering that the former details the Iron Men of Earth-616? I'm just asking here. --Rtkat3 (talk) 04:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)


 * , I moved up the other characters who used the name to "Allies", so now "Alternate versions" is just alternate realities, not alternate identities. Does that look good? I'm currently trying to remove all of the low quality sources like ScreenRant and CBR (and obviously primary source usage of the comics themselves). If you know of any higher quality sources that cover the different interpretations of Iron Man, that would be really helpful. The big ugly alien  ( talk ) 04:19, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The relocation edit has been seen, but do you think there should be a separate heading for the other characters named Iron Man as there have been similar sections for other comics characters like Cobra and Hulk to name some examples? Rtkat3 (talk) 17:01, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't be unreasonable to have that be its own section, but it also seems a little unnecessary to me since it's only two sentences (both of which need to be changed anyway because their current sourcing isn't helpful for encyclopedic coverage). The big ugly alien  ( talk ) 18:05, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If you add in the brief information of James Rhodes, Arno Stark (the Earth-616 version), and Victor von Doom's first appearance as their versions of Iron Man with a reference to the first comic book appearance, it would suffice. Right? There was also an Iron Man imposter named Clarence Ward who killed Rumiko Fujikawa. As for his different A.I. versions of Tony Stark, perhaps something can be figured out. Sonny Frisco and Andros Stark are the known Marvel 2099 inhabitants that took up the name of Iron Man in different versions of Marvel 2099 even though we haven't seen the Earth-2099 version of either one yet. As Iron Maniac currently redirects to Iron Man, either a brief information will have to be added your way or his history will have to be transferred to List of Marvel Comics characters: I with a mentioning in the comments section on the transferring and importing that most other editors on this website do. Rtkat3 (talk) 19:12, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It sounds like you're trying to write the article backward and then use primary sources to justify inclusion. The standard for what should be included depends entirely on what aspects are covered by reliable secondary/tertiary sources, and ideally high quality ones at that. If you'd like, I can take another look through the Marvel handbooks to see if any alternate versions are considered significant—still not ideal since they're not independent sources, but it's better than content farm sources like CBR and way better than using existence as justification for inclusion. The big ugly alien  ( talk ) 19:39, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If you want to go through the handbooks, go right ahead. Any one of them can contain the information that we're looking for. Rtkat3 (talk) 23:46, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I've looked through a few handbooks today, including Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Alternate Universes. As far as I can tell, there are only two alternate universe Iron Man characters that have significant coverage in them: Iron Man (Ultimate Marvel character) and Iron Man 2020. These also happen to be the two alternate Iron Men that have articles on Wikipedia. I think the best way to go about this would be to have those two mentioned on the main Iron Man article because they seem to be the most important, and then give the other ones some dedicated space of their own on the "List of Marvel Comics characters" pages. The big ugly alien  ( talk ) 05:30, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * While Iron Maniac can be redirected to List of Marvel Comics characters: I if that is alright with you, the section should still have a brief mention of the Tony Stark of Earth-818 who operated as Ant-Man and the Tony Stark from Earth-6160 who currently operates as Iron Lad because the Howard Stark of Earth-6160 operated as Iron Man. Perhaps Google can help you find the right sources that aren't the websites that you mentioned. Right? Rtkat3 (talk) 02:05, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * What's the justification for including these other than you personally thinking they're important? The big ugly alien  ( talk ) 02:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I was just stating some facts while reiterating that Iron Maniac still redirects to Iron Man as well as the fact that Ant-Man of Earth-818 was a main character in the second Avengers: Forever series. The rest of the already mentioned alternate versions that are already listed can have proper sources found on Google and/or with collaborations with editors who are experts at finding sources. Rtkat3 (talk) 02:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * My congratulations on adding the sentient Iron Man armor to the part with the other characters that went by the name of Iron Man. That sentient armor was responsible for killing Whiplash. I can look for how it sacrificed itself to protect Tony Stark to elaborate on that part if you like. If brief information on the tenure of James Rhodes and Doctor Doom can be added, it can be it's own section like how some comic book character pages have an "Other characters named [insert character name here]" section. Right? --Rtkat3 (talk) 01:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of I Am Not Going to Get Up Today!
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Reconstruction Amendments
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Template:Old news
I've reverted your mass addition of this rarely used template. I believe it badly needs a larger discussion/consensus than the few editors far down in this discussion, and for the two articles I spotchecked it wasn't even accurate to say that there were no sources from after the event. Ed [talk] [OMT] 05:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Your mass revert was inappropriate and I'm going to ask you to undo it now. You personally not liking the template is not a valid reason to remove it. The big ugly alien  ( talk ) 05:07, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I will not. As I said above: my spotchecks of your mass addition of this template to over a dozen articles over just a few minutes showed that you were not taking enough care in placing it. For example, while 2006 Falk Corporation explosion is not an example of one of our best articles, there are entire sections devoted to the subsequent investigation and legal actions. It probably meets the criteria for Template:Update, but it does not fit anything listed at WP:NOTNEWS, which is the prominent link in Template:Old news. (It actually doesn't say anything about issues with "contemporary reporting", which is an issue with the template.)
 * I do now see that the link given in the template's history was not the full discussion, so while I do still believe it needs a stronger consensus and its wording/links badly need more thinking/discussion, I have less of an objection on that front. Ed [talk] [OMT] 05:32, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The investigation and legal actions are sourced to contemporary sources as well; several contemporary sources for several events do not make a retrospective source for any event. I agree that the explanatory link on the template could be changed, but I don't believe that invalidates the template as a whole. I personally would prefer it if focused more directly on WP:EVENTS or similar pages. I actually wrote an essay with this specific issue in mind, though it's more general-purpose and either way I'm not going to suggest using it on any template. If my initial response seemed abrupt, it's because this looked like a WP:DRNC issue from my perspective. Is there a specific venue you're thinking of when you say "stronger consensus", or is this a more general sense? The big ugly alien  ( talk ) 05:45, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That essay has sent me down a tangent, but I'm not sure it hits the mark. Effectively disallowing citations to things that meet the definition of reliable sources (per the title and "it should be removed from the article", but perhaps I'm missing something) would run into significant opposition per the last line at WP:PRIMARYNEWS: If the essay is not meant to be read that far, I might consider changing the page name to something like "prioritize secondary sources". I'm also staring at the line "Contemporary sources can still be written well after an event initially began or took place" and the examples that come after, which do not recognize that subsequent reporting can sometimes be secondary or have characteristics of both when describing events that came before. It depends on the quality of the source, and each need to be evaluated on their own merits.
 * Overall, I worry that this essay too narrowly focuses on the wrong issue. It's not that editors use contemporary news coverage in articles—you're arguing that editors are poorly using their editorial content discretion.
 * Back to the template: I would argue that explanatory links are a core requirement in a maintenance template, as they give necessary additional context to anyone who reads them. This template feels like it ought to be a village pump topic because it could be added to a large number of articles, particularly new ones, albeit depending on the final scope of the template. I wrote down my quick/immediate thoughts at Template talk:Old news, and may return to that later when I have a chance to think through things more. Ed [talk] [OMT] 06:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * , where are we at on this? I'd like to keep sorting the events articles that don't have any retrospective analysis. The big ugly alien  ( talk ) 08:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I left that message on the template's talk page, which unfortunately no one seems to have seen yet. I won't be able to get moving on a village pump post at the moment as I'm about to head out on my honeymoon. Ed [talk] [OMT] 17:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Green Eggs and Ham
The article Green Eggs and Ham you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Green Eggs and Ham for comments about the article, and Talk:Green Eggs and Ham/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Chiswick Chap -- Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Request regarding unjustified removal of content
Hi, as an uninvolved administrator could you please review this discussion regarding a conduct dispute. Thank you, IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 02:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * , I do not have access to administrator tools. If you need to contact an administrator, I suggest requesting assistance at the administrator's noticeboard. If the dispute is totally intractable, then it should be raised at the incidents noticeboard. Regarding the subject of the dispute, you may wish to read WP:BURDEN, which says that Any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source. The big ugly alien  ( talk ) 02:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * "I do not have access to administrator tools." — Oh...
 * Thanks for the guidance and for citing this relevant policy which I was not sufficiently aware of. Although reading it I do see that it says "Whether and how quickly material should be initially removed for not having an inline citation to a reliable source depends on the material and the overall state of the article."
 * I'll proceed to the administrator's noticeboard, and thanks again. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 02:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Incidents pages
Hi, I've noticed you've been marking a lot of incidents pages appropriately. As you know I've been nominating many for deletion. The vast vast majority are created within a day or 2 of the event, and come under WP:NOTNEWS and not meeting WP:EVENT for lasting coverage. One person in an AfD said that an additional source 2 months later made it have a lasting effect... LibStar (talk) 04:31, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * And let me guess, the "additional source" is still a contemporary source, just used to support "there was an investigation" or "there was a court case"? Believe me, this is my number one pet peeve on Wikipedia. The template thing is on pause because someone mass reverted a bunch of them and put it in limbo (see User talk:Thebiguglyalien above). The big ugly alien  ( talk ) 05:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Routine coverage of guards who were involved, no lasting impact of effect... LibStar (talk) 05:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

TFA
Thank you today for Lou Henry Hoover, introduced: "Lou Henry Hoover is the most interesting U.S. first lady that no one knows about. She was the first woman to major in geology at Stanford, she participated in the Battle of Tientsin during the Boxer Rebellion, she made a landmark accomplishment in metallurgy when she translated one of the field's most influential books from Latin after it was presumed lost purely due to its complexity, she was one of the leaders of the British World War I relief effort for American and Belgian refugees, she led and reformed the Girl Scouts of the USA, and she became a household name for her food conservation advocacy, and that's all before she became first lady. While in the White House, she famously invited a Black Congressman's wife to tea despite widespread backlash, she was the first of the first ladies to give radio broadcasts, and she made countless donations to families in need during the Great Depression out of her own funds without telling anyone. She advocated gender equality throughout her life, and on this issue she was one of the earliest first ladies to openly engage in advocacy, setting precedent for her iconic successor Eleanor Roosevelt."! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:28, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Autopatrolled granted
Hi Thebiguglyalien, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the autopatrolled user right to your account. This means that pages you create will automatically be marked as 'reviewed', and no longer appear in the new pages feed. Autopatrolled is assigned to prolific creators of articles, where those articles do not require further review, and may have been requested on your behalf by someone else. It doesn't affect how you edit; it is used only to manage the workload of new page patrollers.

Since the articles you create will no longer be systematically reviewed by other editors, it is important that you maintain the high standard you have achieved so far in all your future creations. Please also try to remember to add relevant WikiProject templates, stub tags, categories, and incoming links to them, if you aren't already in the habit; user scripts such as Rater and StubSorter can help with this. As you have already shown that you have a strong grasp of Wikipedia's core content policies, you might also consider volunteering to become a new page patroller yourself, helping to uphold the project's standards and encourage other good faith article writers.

Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! –&#8239;Joe (talk) 09:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Melania Trump
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Melania Trump you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of 750h+ -- 750h+ (talk) 02:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * I am quite surprised you (and ) actually found the last one specifically. I would like to hear your thoughts. How did you uncover the answers to the puzzles, and should it be made harder or easier? Panini!  • 🥪 15:26, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024
Hello ,

Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to, who led with over 2,300 points.

Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.

Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.

It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!

2023 Awards won the 2023 cup with 17,761 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 50/day. There was one Platinum Award (10,000+ reviews), 2 Gold Awards (5000+ reviews), 6 Silver (2000+), 8 Bronze (1000+), 30 Iron (360+) and 70 more for the 100+ barnstar. led on redirect reviews by clearing 36,175 of them. For the full details, see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone for their efforts in reviewing!

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers deployed the rewritten NewPagesFeed in October, and then gave the NewPagesFeed a slight visual facelift in November. This concludes most major work to Special:NewPagesFeed, and most major work by the WMF Moderator Tools team, who wrapped up their major work on PageTriage in October. The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers will continue small work on PageTriage as time permits.

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Thanks for your work on "Don't Be a Sucker"
The other day I noticed you had brought the article on Don't Be a Sucker to GA, so I gave it a read and it convinced me to watch the movie. I find classical anti-fascist propaganda to be fascinating pieces of history, so I very much enjoyed watching and learning about this film, as well as the places it succeeded and failed. So I just wanted to thank you for writing this and broadening my understanding of this subject! Thanks :D --Grnrchst (talk) 12:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Iveta Radičová
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Iveta Radičová you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Grnrchst -- Grnrchst (talk) 15:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Iveta Radičová
The article Iveta Radičová you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Iveta Radičová for comments about the article, and Talk:Iveta Radičová/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Grnrchst -- Grnrchst (talk) 10:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

GA review
I have agreed to do as you said—deleting and reversing my review pages for another reviewer. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 02:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)


 * If you intend to do so, you can just paste on the top of each page, and an administrator will reverse them.  The big ugly alien  ( talk ) 07:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries. I am not going to do that any more. I can clear the backlog. It's just a challenge! Thanks. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 07:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 April newsletter
We are approaching the end of the 2024 WikiCup's second round, with a little over two weeks remaining. Currently, contestants must score at least 105 points to progress to the third round.

Our current top scorers are as follows:


 * with 642 points, mostly from 11 GAs about radio and television;
 * with 530 points, mostly from two FAs (Well he would, wouldn't he? and Cora Agnes Benneson) and three GAs;
 * with 523 points, mostly from 11 GAs about coinage and history;
 * with 497 points, mostly from a FA about the 2020 season of the soccer club Seattle Sounders FC and two GAs;
 * with 410 points, mostly from a FA about the drink Capri-Sun and three GAs;
 * with 330 points, mostly from a FA about the English botanist Anna Blackburne and a GA.

Competitors may submit work for the second round until the end of 28 April, and the third round starts 1 May. Remember that only competitors with the top 32 scores will make it through to the third round. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAN, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs. As a reminder, competitors are strictly prohibited from gaming Wikipedia policies or processes to receive more points.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please read WikiCup/Scoring. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

The Core Contest has now begun!
The Core Contest has now begun! Evaluate your article's current state, gather sources, and have at it! You have until May 31 (23:59 UTC) to make eligible changes; although you are most welcome (and encouraged) to continue work on the article, changes after May 31 will not be considered for rankings and their prizes. Good luck and happy editing! Cheers from the judges, Femke, Casliber, Aza24. –  Aza24  (talk)   03:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

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