User talk:Thebizer

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Wikipedia is based on adding content, not on re-adding links. If you do not wish to be considered a potential sock-puppet of user:Proconorg, I suggest editing to create actual content. Ladlergo 02:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Dear Ladlergo. I'm puzzled why you have elected to call me a "sock puppet" for adding a relevant link to the electronic voting section (which I thought was my right as a Wikipedia user).  I sincerely thought my adding the link would be beneficial to others.  I have communicated personally with several key experts on DREs and we have discussed Voting Machines ProCon.org and its utility.  I am a new Wikipedia user, and I want to do the right thing.  Please visit www.votingmachinesprocon.org, evaluate the site for yourself, and then either add back the link you removed or tell me why you think removing it is justified.  Thanks, Thebizer
 * I said that it makes you look like one, not that you are one. When I see user:Proconorg added linkspamming (and please check the definition, a member of ProCon.org adding the links counts as linkspamming), user:Proconorg not understanding why it's linkspamming, and then two other users making edits to restore them (and making no other edits), I become suspicious that I'm dealing with sockpuppets.
 * I still suggest that you make other edits to distinguish yourself from user:Proconorg. For example, you might add the information found on ProCon.org to the individual pages and cite it as a reference. In general, adding information is preferred to adding links. Ladlergo 17:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. I think your advice to edit then cite seems wise (at least to help dispel suspicions from some editors). Does that mean I can never add external links as a Wikipedia user unless I also edit and cite content? Are you allowed to remove links without also editing/citing content?

Please note that I am concerned that you made assumptions about me individually rather than making judgments about the content itself.

Sorry for all the questions, but I am still learning. Why didn't you restore the link? Do you as an editor find the content irrelevant for this section? I still find, as do other DRE experts with whom I have interacted, that Voting Machines ProCon.org is among the best websites of its kind and that Wikipedia users will benefit from access to it. However, as you suggested, perhaps there is something in the Wikipedia rules that prevents me presenting relevant external links to others unless I complete some other obligations. Is that correct?


 * Thank you for understanding. I am sometimes overzealous in removing content that I believe was re-entered by someone who is not a Real Person.
 * If the Procon.org sites for each page contain information (and are not merely the .html ending pages with half a dozen quotes that I've seen put up on some of the WP articles), feel free to add them back.
 * However, my general rule of thumb is that a site should contain unique information, unbiased information, and/or an unusually thorough collection of information. If you'd like to see what I consider to be a good way of working out a rather messy situation regarding appropriate links (fansites, in this case), I suggest you look at this discussion on the Wii talk page.  You'll also get a good idea of the variety of considerations that different editors have. Ladlergo 22:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)