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Northconnex
Interesting Map. However, I went past the M1 Pacific Mwy and it didn't seem to have a route number. This uncovered sign also says there is no route number for Northconnex. https://www.google.com/search?q=northconnex+signs&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjCx_2D3_nrAhXNUH0KHd6WCnIQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=northconnex+signs&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoCCAA6BggAEAgQHjoECAAQGFClJFiUL2D4M2gAcAB4AIABgQOIAYUJkgEFMi0yLjKYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=gVhoX4KDJM2h9QPeraqQBw&bih=821&biw=1440#imgrc=wXAZQi4rbtyZxM

And for A28, it will still keep the A28 marker on PHR.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x6b12a147ce198139%3A0x1f7830245776d235!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPmWJRX4Yl4EceK2UJk_pN1Veez7k-b6lX0Lfin%3Dw426-h320-k-no!5snorthconnex%20-%20Google%20Search!15zQ2dJZ0FRPT0&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipNb82XCq2I-RQSuBKMqfZ1E6h1N88L8KiY8zCS_&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-ve_Y3_nrAhUDzjgGHbFBAcsQoiowG3oECCAQBg#

Thanks, Thenorthernterritory1234

Thent1234 (talk) 08:33, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

More about NCX
Dear Thek22900

This article https://mattkean.com.au/news/media/northconnex-project-provide-job-training shows that Northconnex is part of the M28. But the signs don't match up. Do you know anything else. Also you have to download the pdf to find the M28.

Thanks, Thent1234 (talk) 08:11, 21 September 2020 (UTC) Thenorthernterritory1234

Hello, that map showing the M28 seems to be from 2016, and even on the most recent NorthConnex update files the maps said A28 on them for Pennant Hills Road. However, the interactive map doesn't. I recently went to Pearces Corner and found some A28 signs were coverplates, while others weren't. I also saw that there could possibly be space on the covered signs for a route number, however I'm not certain. It was said that the M28 was thought about very early on, then they wanted to use the M1 but now, it is unknown. This means it is inconclusive. Thek22900 (talk) 10:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Thek22900

It makes more sense now, but definately PHR should keep the A28 route or B83 should be A83 and take over PHR

Thanks, Thenorthernterritory1234

Thent1234 (talk) 17:29, 22 September 2020 (AEST)

Making it
\ Hi, thent as no one has responded on the talk page you should ask this user. Thek22900 (talk) 09:06, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Thek229900, I have let them know. Thanks, Thent1234 (talk) 00:06, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

A4, again but this time with CCT
Dear Thek22900

I went up the Eastern Distributor recently northbound and it says Cross City Tunnel as Part of the A4 as - "A4 Cross City Tunnel" (Google Streetview is too old and says Metroad 4) I also checked the linkt website and it says A4. However Linkt makes a lot of mistakes like M31 Hume Motorway as A21 Hume Highway

https://www.linkt.com.au/sydney/using-toll-roads/toll-calculator?_ga=2.94624476.1159210505.1601797349-1969227473.1600158130 (click Westlink M7) and there's a Metroad 6 here; https://www.westlinkm7.com.au/content/dam/westlinkm7/pdf/tollprices/q2-2020-21-oct-dec/WLM7_toll_pricing_1_oct_31_december_2020.pdf

Do you think CCT is part of the A4 route or not.

Thanks, enjoy your long weekend. Thent1234

Thent1234 (talk) 19:24, 4 October 2020 (AEDT) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thent1234 (talk • contribs)

Hello, to me it seems like the CCT is just like the Harbour Bridge, with "To A4" signs -> https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.876906,151.228382,3a,33.9y,283.81h,106.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFx6ZQh-u347Eaqr4xaH00w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192, however are not part of the A4. Most maps and government maps show the A4 at Millers Point. Linkt probably shouldn't be relied on over government maps. Thek22900 (talk) 09:13, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Here's the Google Maps one. https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.8808783,151.2168847,3a,75y,352.5h,91.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skACMOh0UY_PGTYYsaLZTIw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.8777075,151.2169262,3a,24.7y,357.04h,93.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh4SPOvm7izAXxBrDTwC_TA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

It does seem like these signs are wrong and should say "To A4" instead, as even before the alpha-numeric system, Metroad 4 officially ended at Millers Point, not the CCT so these signs are likely just incorrect. Thek22900 (talk) 09:27, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

M1 Pacific Motorway - Dirty Beach to Sapphire Creek
Dear Thek22900

Was the old Pacific Highway now M1 between Dirty Creek and Sapphire Beach, because all Google Street view says A1 on these signs.

https://www.google.com/maps/@-30.0732714,153.180145,3a,75y,3.15h,73.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s18JaIKoQD5813xkcI6pEsg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@-30.1311749,153.1948085,3a,75y,111.31h,84.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scvR5rOSIK_tgNk_96uaxIQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@-30.1416855,153.1932464,3a,75y,173.3h,78.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-JoiQAsr3M3LdleZBlng_Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I know OpenStreet maps says its M1 but I can't find any signs of it. I've also never been up here so I don't really know.

Thanks,

Thenorthernterritory1234 (talk) 17:11, 6 October 2020 (AEDT)

Hi, OpenStreetMaps is an extremely trustworthy source, especially for coastal areas as people who live there edit it. I would trust it over old Google Street View. Thek22900 (talk) 09:00, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Thek22900, except that there is people who don't locally live there and still edit the area, like me, who is currently converting all NT signed alphanumeric routes to alpha's. And I also used it for M13 in QLD only later to get a notice saying I didn't provide an 'reliable' source.

Thanks, Thent1234 (talk) 07:41, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

M2/M7/A2/A40


Dear Thek22900, Here's a clarification of the M2/A40 triangle. Click the image on the right.

This is if you were curious.

Also take in note that you do not have to pay the Westlink M7 toll if you enter the M2 M7 duplex from Old Windsor Road. Instead, you only pay the M2 Hills Mwy toll. Thanks, Thent1234 (talk) 10:15, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Interesting, thank you. Thek22900 (talk) 11:27, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

So pretty much the M2 M7 duplex still partially exists. Thent1234 (talk) 00:06, 8 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thent1234 (talk • contribs) 22:01, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Dear Thek22900, Wikipedia has blocked the image that you put so I have changed it to a website.

Thanks, Thent1234 (talk) 00:06, 8 October 2020 (UTC) This user is an Australian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thent1234 (talk • contribs) 00:10, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

D5
See more about D5 here — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thent1234 (talk • contribs) 07:39, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

D5
https://twitter.com/livetrafficsyd/status/925911076159541248?lang=en

Found a better map of D5, I'm just making the D5 page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thent1234 (talk • contribs) 08:50, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion for consideration
My suggestion is splitting every road route into 2 parts, the 2 directions it comes and goes in. Reasons: - Some have different distances depending on which direction it is. - Some use different roads in different directions. - Helps maintain consistency while providing information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thek22900 (talk • contribs) 08:24, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

No, it's for every route for consistency and so not everything has to be explained through lots of text. Thek22900 (talk) 09:30, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay u/Thek22900 ill start the A2 one first — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thent1234 (talk • contribs) 09:31, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm working on the M1 right now. Thek22900 (talk) 09:34, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Consistency
Dear Thek22900

Check the M2, M4, D5, B69 or B70 section, is that the way you want it Thent1234 (talk) 10:01, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I did an example for the M1 which I think is pretty good. I think I may have accidentally reverted your edits as I took a while to edit. i checked history and yes, what we did is pretty similar.

I got the edits back from History but otherwise looks good.

Thent1234 (talk) 10:06, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Please enter the routes that have both directions
Hi, could you please enter the routes that you have duplicated. Thanks. I'm just making a list so we can keep track of it.

M1, M1, A1, D1, M2, M2, State Route 2, A2, A3, M3, M4, A4, M5, D5, A6, M7, M8, A8, A9, M15, A15, A20, A22, M23, B23, A25, A28, M31, A32, A34, A36, A37, A38, A39, A40, A41, A43, A44, A48, A49, B51, B52, B53, B55, B56, B57, B58, B59, B60, B62, B63, B64, B65, B68, B69, B70, B71, B72, B73, B74, B75, B76, B78, B79, B81, B82, B83, B84, B85, State Route 86, B88, B89, B91, B94, B95, State Route 266, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thent1234 (talk • contribs) 10:16, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that's all of them. Also, can you please use the proper templates (eg. conversion) when editing? Thanks. So all M, A and D routes have been done.

List of B routes that need to be done - I'll try and finish it before Monday. B87

I do not know how to use them, but I'll try.

Thent1234 (talk) 10:26, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Dear Thek22900,

I accidentally added the Victoria routes here, my bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_road_routes_in_Victoria

Thanks, 01:54, 10 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thent1234 (talk • contribs)

Suggestion for consideration
Dear Thek22900

My suggestion is adding a new column stating the RMS classified region. Reasons: - People may not know where the place is and prevents them searching it up. I was in this situation when reading the B routes. - Helps maintain consistency while providing information. — Currently I've added it on the M and D routes section. If its a good idea, then we'll put it on the A and B routes. I know most people know where the M routes are but it really helps for the B routes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thent1234 (talk • contribs) 05:48, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that's a good idea. Thek22900 (talk) 06:03, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Dear u/thek22900

All routes have been categorised, please let me know if I have missed one

Thent1234 (talk) 07:46, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

PHR and A28
Dear Thek22900

Just letting you know that theres this tiny 220m section of PHR that isn't part of Cumberland Hwy

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/-33.7184498,151.1082598/-33.7198118,151.1064925/@-33.7186013,151.1066173,18.1z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0

Thanks Thent1234 (talk) 11:09, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

C612 in NSW
Dear thek22900

I was duplicating some routes in VIC where I stumbled on this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_road_routes_in_Victoria#C505_to_C620

Apparently C612 goes to Delegate. If whoever did this wasn't vandalising the page, then should I add this to the page or not.

Sorry for the mess on this page, I'm in the middle of duplicating this section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thent1234 (talk • contribs) 09:17, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Thent1234 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:15, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

As google street view is too old in this area, so it cannot be used. It is extremely unlikely it extends. into NSW as for the VIC part, the road has the same name, which changes at the border. As that road for its entire length is numbered C612, it is unlikely it would continue into a state into a different road numbering system. SR2 in northern NSW has the same name as SR2 in QLD, while C612 doesn't. This likely means that it ends at the border like all other C routes that go to the border. Also no maps show C612 extending into NSW. Thek22900 (talk) 09:58, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll remove it from that page

10:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)~

Tourist Drives
Have a look a the TD section now, check if thats better.

Thent1234 (talk) 09:15, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes it is, thank you. Thek22900 (talk) 04:42, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

I was planning to do this, I couldn't remember where I got the files from.

I might add a Hornsby/Hawkesbury section later.

Cheers,

Thent1234 (talk) 05:12, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Metroad 4 NSW + TD15.
Dear Thek22900,

For TD15 in Hornsby, does it have its own website. I found this but I highly doubt its reliable. https://www.cartoscope.com.au/maps/hawkesb/touristdrive.pdf

plus could you give me some info on Metroad 4, I was a QLD resident in those times of Metroads.

Thent1234 (talk) 06:10, 12 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thent1234 (talk • contribs)

Hi, it likely isn't the official website and is just a guide/brochure about the route and why you should visit. Metroad 4 ran from Millers point via the Western Distributor to Haberfield then ran via the Parramatta Road to Concord and then the Western Motorway to where the M4 currently starts. It is basically the A4 and the M4 without the M4 East. Thek22900 (talk) 07:18, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Thek22900, did Met 4 go through CCT or not.

Cheers, Thent1234 (talk) 07:35, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

No, it ran from Millers Point where the Cahill Expressway, Bradfield Highway and Western Distributor met. Thek22900 (talk) 08:11, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

New NSW alpha spotted
Hi, I was just going through these new NCX videos where I saw the A26 here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot5IhQ9CZ9U&list=PLLCbsomkSRYvo-BDFk3exIWFIsHMnhbwA&index=4 see at 0:14

Are there any other A26 signs or not.

Cheers

Thent1234 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:38, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLqCkeZ0BHQ&list=PLLCbsomkSRYvo-BDFk3exIWFIsHMnhbwA&index=3 At 0:08 it says A26. What is interesting is that this isn't an animation, this is an actual drive through the tunnel so this is strange. Thek22900 (talk) 08:15, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

The font is also unusual. I've just temporarily added it to the page. We'll see if it's an error or not. NCX might hold the M28 marker.

Thent1234 (talk) 08:21, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

A28 signs on coverplates
Hi

You said that some A28 signs were on coverplates in Pearces Corner below

"Dear Thek22900

This article https://mattkean.com.au/news/media/northconnex-project-provide-job-training shows that Northconnex is part of the M28. But the signs don't match up. Do you know anything else. Also you have to download the pdf to find the M28.

Thanks, Thent1234 (talk) 08:11, 21 September 2020 (UTC) Thenorthernterritory1234

Hello, that map showing the M28 seems to be from 2016, and even on the most recent NorthConnex update files the maps said A28 on them for Pennant Hills Road. However, the interactive map doesn't. I recently went to Pearces Corner and found some A28 signs were coverplates, while others weren't. I also saw that there could possibly be space on the covered signs for a route number, however I'm not certain. It was said that the M28 was thought about very early on, then they wanted to use the M1 but now, it is unknown. This means it is inconclusive. Thek22900 (talk) 10:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Thek22900

It makes more sense now, but definately PHR should keep the A28 route or B83 should be A83 and take over PHR

Thanks, Thenorthernterritory1234

Thent1234 (talk) 17:29, 22 September 2020 (AEST)"

Was it at the Pacific Hwy junction or not?

Thanks,

Thent1234 (talk)

Yes, it was at Pearces Corner but they seem to just cover the old Metroad 7 signs rather than another route number.

Most likely that must've been an error. A26 isn't seen anywhere else. I'll still keep in the future road routes section just incase.

Thent1234 (talk) 09:17, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for duplicating everything, just one question
Dear Thek22900

Thanks for finishing the duplication of every route. Just one quick question.

For QLD routes how shall I name it and do the format. It may be confusing due to duplicate numbers. Also take in note that the QLD page is messy and I've tried to clean it up. I really think that QLD needs the duplication for each route

Thent1234 (talk) 04:43, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I think yyou should ask on the talk page for the QLD Routes page. Thek22900 (talk) 05:09, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikiproject Australian Roads
Dear thek22900

Do you mind if you can join Wikiproject Australian Roads. You don't need to do anything extra, just that we know you're a person who edits road related articles. To join go to my user page and click on the WikiProject page and follow the steps to join. Alternatively, I can do it for you.

Cheers, Thent1234 (talk) 22:43, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Sure. Thek22900 (talk) 01:27, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Thek22900

We'd really value your help.

Thent1234 (talk) 02:49, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

B400
Dear Thek22900

Just letting you know that there's this VicRoads sign thats crept up the border into NSW and it says B400. However, there aren't any other signs Southbound.

Thent1234 (talk) 11:00, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I read that all B400 signs in NSW were removed by the RMS, where is the sign in NSW? Keep in mind all google street view imagery in that area was before the alpha-numeric route numbering system. Thek22900 (talk) 11:18, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Dear Thek22900, where does it say, RMS removed the sign

Thent1234 (talk) 20:50, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

https://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/Special/MAB/evidence.htm Thek22900 (talk) 21:03, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

That was at the Sturt Hwy junction, not halfway between the Sturt Hwy and Robinvale. It also never mentioned that RMS removed the sign

Hi Thent, although it may be at the junction, there isn't any evidence to show that the sign is still there as it has been 12 years and the street view is before the alpha-numeric numbering system. It was also confirmed by RMS that the B400 wouldn't extend into NSW. Thek22900 (talk) 06:50, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Well this RMS doc says B400 extends into NSW

https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/projects/01documents/murray-river-bridges/murray-river-crossings-investment-priority-assessment-2018-01.pdf go to page 77

Thent1234 (talk) 07:34, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Thent, This document only names the road that uses the bridge but doesn’t say it extends into NSW. It was also confirmed by the RMS when the new system was established that B400 would not extend into NSW. Thek22900 (talk)<

Metroad 7
Hi

Could you please give me some info on Metroad 7, why was it so short and if Met. 7 ended at the PHR/M2 Hills junction, then what was the rest of Cumberland Hwy, James Ruse Dr and PHR numbered. Also it seems that we (yes both of us) have been frowned upon for our duplication of every route. See here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Australian_Roads#Using_road_signs_as_references

Thent1234 (talk) 07:13, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Metroad 7 was only cut when the M7 Motorway was opened, as it would originally going to be the A7 and there would be a M2/M7 Duplex. However this caused issues and the A7 was changed to the A28. During this time, the Cumberland Highway was unnumbered. Thek22900 (talk) 07:35, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

How shall I name it
Dear Thegwh32 (Formerly Thek22900)

I've just finished duplicating the alpha numeric routes for the NT. However, A1 is a funny situation where it splits into 2 into spur connecting to Darwin. How shall I name it?

Also what happened to your name?

And if you need help with your archives, I can do it for you

Thanks, kakaduhwy21

Hi, I suggest just splitting the road to Darwin into a separate section in the A1 table. I changed my name to remain consistent with other projects. Thegwh32 (talk) 06:16, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi

Is it like this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_road_routes_in_the_Northern_Territory#Roads_of_National_Significance_%28A_routes%29

Thenorthernterritory1234 (talk) 06:57, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes. Thegwh32 (talk) 07:02, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Cumberland Hwy
Hi

Can you show me evidence that Cumberland Hwy goes to B83, also where does it say that RMS will not extend B400 into NSW. Like what you said here

"It was also confirmed by the RMS when the new system was established that B400 would not extend into NSW."

Thanks, Thent1234 (talk)

Hi:

https://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/Highways/Cumberland/cumberland.htm - Terminates at B83 Pacific Highway.

B400 - https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/aussie-highways/c/umOTzrh5KQg/m/U5abuwNN2rMJ

Thegwh32 (talk) 09:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Thek22900

That's not an official doc but instead a group chat that I can not stop posting every 24 hrs.

Thent1234 (talk) 06:52, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

M1 Pacific Motorway - Grafton Bypass and A8
Hi The Great Western Highway 32(Thegwh32 - Let me know if that's what it stands for)

I am just creating the article M1 Pacific Mwy - Grafton Bypass.

Could you please give me some info on this road.

Thent1234 (talk) 09:18, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

https://www.pacifichighway.nsw.gov.au/project-sections/coffs-harbour-to-ballina/woolgoolga-to-ballina/glenugie-to-maclean

Here's the official website about the bypass. Yes, it is what my name stands for. Thegwh32 (talk) 11:32, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, also does A8 go to Falcon Street.

I know that you are a Lower North Shore resident by looking at your reddit page. (I found it when researching for the M8/A8 confusion)

I only saw a sign on the M2 before the La. Cove Tunnel.

Could you please give me some info

Thent1234 (talk) 23:15, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.7918648,151.1357975,3a,15y,165.72h,99.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8B5P7eQhdTB9UjIfAMfuaQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 Hello, the A8 only uses Falcon Street when heading westbound, as seen with this sign here: https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.8300179,151.2167061,3a,75y,183.83h,83.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sStjK-JLotQAQBMwkTgaDcQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

As the A8 only ends at the M1 interchange, that means Falcon Street goes on the A8 westbound. However, when heading eastbound it doesn't, as seen with this sign here: https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.82947,151.2144707,3a,75y,205.2h,89.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8IKEfTw45Uu10ChKUO1SoQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

This means that the A8 only uses Falcon street when heading westbound. Thegwh32 (talk) 01:14, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Thegwh32

Just found the A8 Falcon Street on the M2 Hills Motorway

Cheers, Thent1234 (talk) 03:40, 24 October 2020 (UTC)