User talk:Theleekycauldron/Archive/2022/December

Template:Did you know nominations/Pigs in blankets
Hello!

Just wanted to tell you but you put pigs in blankets in prep 7 which appears on dec 6. However, pigs in blankets is supposed to appear in December 5 (or prep 6) due to it's special date request. Could you fix that? Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:30, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that, Onegreatjoke! Switch made :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:00, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Editor of the Week
User:Sennecaster submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:
 * I nominate User Theleekycauldron for her brilliant DYK prep work and eclectic article writing. She's one of the most active promoters at DYK, creating many prep sets and various userscripts along the way that speed up the process. I'm sure that other promoters enjoy PSHAW, a nifty little script that allows for easy promotions to the preps and even selecting of different alt hooks. She frequents WT:DYK, where her quick decisions on nomination concerns and significant contributions to discussions shuffle the main page merrily along. Her article writing takes her to even more amusing places than her whimsical blends of DYK preps. leek's featured work ranges from United States congressional delegations from Hawaii to C. J. Cregg (one of many Claudias that she has written about) to the ever-debated Pronunciation of GIF, and her GAs are no less varied! No matter where she goes, "leek" brings a sense of humor and ease that does not go unnoticed; she is an awesome Wikipedian and richly deserves this award! Seconded by User:Kavyansh.Singh and Mr Serjeant Buzfuz.

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Thanks again for your efforts! &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   16:12, 3 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Well, shucks, it's enough to make a girl cry :') thanks,, you've absolutely made my week! I appreciate you, even if you are a bit of a loon sometimes :P y'all as well, Getting to work with people as excellent as you three, day in and day out, is such a joy. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:39, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

WikiEd editor potentially needing some guidance
Hi leek! I just noticed the page history at (recently moved without explanation from ), and I was wondering if you or ezlev or someone else might want to take a look at what's going on there and give the editor some guidance. Overall, there seem to be a lot of positive changes, but also a lot of the standard pitfalls of a WikiEd bold rewrite. -- Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 22:51, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

DYK for National Wrestling Conference
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Preps
I won't be building preps for a while. I was hit by a car on Thursday evening at a crosswalk while I was walking. My collarbone and right shoulder were fractured so I will likely need surgery. My family is getting a lawyer involved next week because the guy who hit me wasn't charged with anything. I will likely need surgery soon. SL93 (talk) 17:36, 4 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @SL93: Oh my, that's awful – sending lots of hugs, feel better soon :) I'm currently in the thicket of finals week, but I will absolutely do my best to cover for you. No need to worry about this; rest up, take time for yourself, good idea with the lawyer. We'll miss you! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:49, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I will be having surgery tomorrow. Hopefully I will be able to participate on Wikipedia as normal soon after. I'm taking online classes and it's in my last week of the semester. I had to send in a voice recording in place of my Composition II essay because typing 6 to 8 pages would have been extremely hard. SL93 (talk) 01:12, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @SL93: Oy va voy, not an enviable way to do an exam. Take as much time as you need to recover :) everything's all right on the project for now. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:14, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh my, that sucks. I got hit by a car once, when I was on my bike.  So I (literally) feel your pain, although it sounds like yours was worse than mine.  Take care of yourself.  We'll take care of DYK (might I say we'll shoulder your burden?) until you get back. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm able to type even more again, but I need to take it slow each time. I built one prep, but it was harder to do so I'm glad we have good prep builders. I had a metal plate and screws placed in my shoulder. I do have good news though. I managed to pass both online college classes for this semester with an A. I can more than likely return to meat body work later this month. SL93 (talk) 17:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @SL93: I'm glad you got through the semester – I have little idea what my grades are, probably won't know until well after the 2022 University of California academic workers' strike is over. Are a metal plate and screws in your shoulder as excruciating as the idea sounds? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 23:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It luckily doesn't feel like there is a metal plate and screws in my shoulder. I had to have it done because there was no other way for it to heal. SL93 (talk) 00:34, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Peace Dove Christmas
Happy Holidays. &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   04:12, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much, @Buster7! Happy holidays :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Rosa Diaz
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Rosa Diaz you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Vortex3427 -- Vortex3427 (talk) 06:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Mis-citation
Regarding [//en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MobileDiff/1127113775&markasread=266570389&markasreadwiki=enwiki your revert], the source had no mention of pronouncing the word _gif_ where as all the others had it explicitly. Furthermore, the is pronounced normally by all Arabic speakers natively or in loanwords. The one who added the claim with the citations clearly didn't understand what he was doing. Flip through Arabic dialects for more. is ubiquitous! Mahmudmasri (talk) 17:42, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Mahmudmasri: Hmm, okay. So this slate.fr source says it's rarer in Arabic than it is in other languages, so we might go with that? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:20, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi there. Thanks for your follow up. I checked the sourced source (the Economist) inside the French one which had the quote verbatim, however, it is 100% fallacious. The article on gif pronunciation is about where people can't say ~ or . All Arabic speakers can pronounce both if not natively, then at least in loanwords. It is impossible to find one Arabic speaker who fails to utter both. For example, is either a standard pronunciation for the letter ج in Egypt + coastal Yemen south west Oman and eastern Oman, or a colloquial one for ق in the Arabian Peninsula, eastern Libya, deep south Egypt, and a variant pronunciation in Sudan. In the Levant and the rest of Northern Africa,  is very common in loanwords and often in native words, never approximated to any other sound. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 23:24, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mahmudmasri: Aha. Well then, I learned something new today :) thanks for letting me know! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:34, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Well, thank you. <3 --Mahmudmasri (talk) 08:39, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia would be more fal-awful without you!

 * @BuySomeApples: Aww, thank you! Man, now I want a falafel, but my falafel place is over 100 miles away now :) happy holidays to yourself! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:33, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

A doubt regarding my DYK nom
Hi! I nominated an article for DYK for the first time here, and you approved it, thanks, but I was wondering when would the DYK appear on the main page? Is there anyway I could know that date? Or should I rather wait and I'll be notified soon? Thank you.  ℛonherry  ☘  05:31, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey, Ronherry! Looks like your hook is scheduled for December 20th – there's a table at Template:Did you know/Queue. Hope this helps! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:04, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh I wasn't aware of such a queue at all! LOL. Thank you. Happy Holidays!  ℛonherry  ☘  04:45, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Church of St Giles, Stoke Poges
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy holidays!
Happy Holidays text.png Hello Theleekycauldron: Enjoy the holiday season&#32;and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:56, 17 December 2022 (UTC) Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this message MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:56, 17 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you, MrLinkinPark! would that we could all spend the rest of our lives on "Holiday"... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 04:06, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Interesting
I keep on skipping over Template:Did you know nominations/Ravenshoe (novel) because I don't find either hook to be that interesting. Just seeing what your thoughts are. SL93 (talk) 00:58, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @SL93 imo ALT1 looks more intresting to me. Rlink2 (talk) 01:10, 18 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Ridiculous. Ravens don't wear shoes. Obviously. Jeesh. EEng 01:39, 18 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @SL93: I'd agree, I think that probably needs a better hook. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 02:21, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Rosa Diaz
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Rosa Diaz you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Mike Christie, on behalf of Vortex3427 -- Vortex3427 (talk) 22:43, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

December music
Today, I learned that Yvonne Ciannella died, the soprano who impressed me in my first night at the opera, and as she died in March, sadly no Main page reverence is possible, - at least she had a good DYK, at a time when opera singers were considered interesting. I'm proud today that Christiane Hörbiger made it to that corner, and happy that we celebrate the birthday of Jean Sibelius again. - I heard an excellent Christmas concert yesterday, by Tenebrae, and a short excerpt of them singing "Deo gracias" is also linked from my talk. - Did you give Hawkeye7 the Stats recognition for the article moved while on DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Today was a day rich in music, with two new pictures, and also rich in WP:QAI contributions on the Main page: the TFA, 2 DYK and 2 RD with members as principal editors. The church pictured there (not by me, nice snow dust and tall evergreen) comes with memories, detailed on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 11 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Gerda Arendt: Oh, lovely! If you could give me some links to jog my memory, I'd be happy to try and make amends. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:08, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you but not sure what you mean about amends. If you go to the DYK for the church credit on my talk, you can read about my personal memories - old and fresh - of the church pictured on the main page, of which I took a pic on 20 Nov- I didn't want to repeat them for all I thought might be interested. - Did you see my feelings of guilt for the Kim DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:53, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Gerda Arendt: I meant for Hawkeye7 :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 11:45, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * So you remember the user name, go to the talk, find it must be archived, but the archive is not yet linked, but find it anyway, and no you don't have to, because I did it for you: British logistics in the Western Allied Invasion of Germany was the article, and we talked here. - Can you perhaps support the author of Duck, Death and the Tulip for Recent deaths. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:05, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I can't participate in a discussion I've been asked to support, as that would fall afoul of canvassing guidelines. I'll do my best to take care of the linked article, thanks :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 12:09, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * What about Hawkeye? - Erlbruch: I nominated him 2 days ago. No response. I mentioned him on my talk that many watch. No reaction. I asked a few people to whom I write anyway. A fourth supported now. Needs two more. He'll hopefully make it, but is that still a recent death when a week later? - So: if you want to do a little service to Wikipedia on top of the great things you are doing, you go to WP:ITNN and look at the last day, at noms not yet supported, and check out if you can support, and if not what's missing. Regardless of who wrote them. I didn't know Erlbruch, but his books are really touching. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:19, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ... and while I was typing this: he is "on" now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "canvassing" - it's common to raise attention for a FAC - what would be different for nominations for RD and DYK? Just curious. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Gerda Arendt: Well, WP:CANVASS says that a message that asks readers to explicitly support something falls afoul of the guideline. When I said I'd do my best to take care of the linked article, I meant Hawkeye7's. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 03:08, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I am sorry about my lack of proper language, in these two cases and more. 1) I didn't say: please support my RD nomination. I said "Can you perhaps support", which has "perhaps" as a qualifier (you may not care, not have time, ....), and "if" as another (you may not find the article fit to support). What can I do next time? Not ask you at all? Say neutrally "I have xyz in WP:ITNN", suppressing my personal interest in a subject? Or would you know next time that it's not electing a buddy, or a swing in an RfC, for which I want support but the presentation of an article on the Main page, and the only question: is it good enough? - 2) Hawkeye7 - I still don't understand. - 3) DYK conflicts: they will decrease, life is too short to spend hours of arguing, just because a discovery I made and want to make public may be interesting only to a minority of readers. My interest not to tell the discovery but something else about the subject is zero. New year's resolution: I will stick to my famous 2 comments per discussion (but my name is on that page 237 times). Now is the time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:48, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for promoting Kim with an image! I felt that it's the one time that the image really really illustrates the hook, both the outfit for the ceremony mentioned and the shaving, on top of them being an unusual first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It seems I've waded into something I was unaware of? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 11:47, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, it was discussed on WT:DYK, but even better if you didn't do it out of pity for me. As the heroine in Tchaikovsky's favourite opera said (seen yesterday for the first time in life, and the production was only the second in Germany): "I have pity for you, but that is not love." (subtitles, it was sung in Russian, of course.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:05, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Latest pics. My talk has a DYK that was planned for 22 November ;) - and now a choir pic of "our" concert last Sunday, likely to become next year's lead image on my user page. As the pics show: I have a real life. Enjoy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I added pics of snow and brilliance, - enjoy. - Thank you for improving article quality in December! Best wishes for a joyful season! - DYK - Ich habe genug (I have enough). - I plan to make that article FA and not be distracted by any thoughts of DYK until done. Call it a New Year's exercise. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy holidays

 * Thanks, Netherzone, and happy holidays! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:24, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Milton Loch
Did you know, … that I’m very pleased that Milton Loch appeared on DYK today! Thanks for your help.  Schminnte (talk • contribs) 08:29, 23 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Always happy to help, Schminnte! Let me know if you ever need something in the DYK area :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:24, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Greetings
RV (talk) 12:53, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, RV! Happy holidays to yourself :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:24, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Bug
Hi Leeky, was trying to promote one to prep 3, but the que is screwy with 19 slots and it freezes my screen. Bruxton (talk) 00:09, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh the tedious manual promotion - I had to go back and get a refresher on manual promotion. Pshaw is still broke for 3 but I will go keep promoting manually until you are around to check it out. Bruxton (talk) 00:24, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Bruxton: Looks like PSHAW isn't bulletproof enough – it goes screwy when the prep-set is off-kilter, even by a little bit. In this case, there was some whitespace in front of, which foiled it from detecting the hook set. Should work fine now! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 01:54, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much. I had to Old School it for a spell. I also just promoted one of your noms as a quirky. Bruxton (talk) 01:57, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The Stone Age Of Manual Prep Promotion? Simply barbaric! 'preciate the promotion :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 12:25, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Rosa Diaz
-- RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

WT:DYK
theleekycauldron, I was wondering whether you could take a look at this section, decide which of the hooks (in the latest Bruxton versions) you think is best, and replace the one in Prep 4 with said updated version (not Prep 7 as the header states). I can't do it since I proposed one of the hooks along the way, and Bruxton is similarly limited. Of course, if you think the proposed hooks are problematic, by all means say so rather than updating. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:11, 28 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Done, thanks for the heads-up! Proposed a shortening that I think is catchy as well :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:24, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Rosa Diaz
The article Rosa Diaz you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Rosa Diaz for comments about the article, and Talk:Rosa Diaz/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Vortex3427 -- Vortex3427 (talk) 02:00, 29 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much, Vortex3427! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 18:50, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Manual thread archiving?
I'm curious about Special:Diff/1130365402. Why is this not set up to do automatic archiving? I use User:lowercase sigmabot III which works great and requires no human intervention. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:39, 29 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @RoySmith: There is automatic archiving, but only after a week without comments – WT:DYK is used both for really large and really small discussions, so I tend to manually cull completed small discussions (which might finish after a day or two) to make room for new stuff. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:49, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

DYK neutron magnetic moment
I am fairly new to DYK and find it a maze of incomprehensible templates. I write because in the Prep Area 2, I noted you had changed the phrasing of the DYK I nominated. Two complaints about this. First, many people may not know that the neutron is a subatomic particle, or that it is composed of quarks. The quark aspect is important to the magnetic moment, as is clear from the article in question. Second, the due process seems...dubious, to change the wording on the sly, as it were. I ping @Onegreatjoke for comment; he reviewed the DYK, and I thought had agreed to my revised wording. The agreed upon DYK was certainly not overly long. Thx, Bdushaw (talk) 15:42, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey there, Bdushaw, thanks for reaching out! DYK is fundamentally a maze of incomprehensible templates, so at least you've understood that much so far :) whoops, hit "send" too quickly. continuing... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:35, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * What I'll say is that it's generally part of the promoter's job to try and optimize the wording of the hook. The reason I made the changes I did is sort of a Chekhov's gun – I tend to view DYK hooks as narrative, and don't love details that don't help the hook get to the point. You're right, some people won't know that a neutron is a subatomic particle made of quarks – but I think that any reader who knows about the relationship between electricity and magnetism well enough to understand why an electric charge should intuitively imply a magnetic moment is definitely gonna know that a neutron is a particle that helps make up the nucleus of an atom. And that's really all they need to know to understand the hook. Quarks are important to the magnetic moment, but for a 200 character hook, they're not vital to helping the reader understand enough to want to know more about the magnetic moment. There's plenty of well-written article for them to read on the subject (nice job, by the way), but they've gotta get there first. Does that make sense? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:41, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply! Happy New Year!  I see the point, which is along one avenue that I was contemplating - best to keep it simple at this DYK level.  Though not entirely in agreement - it is likely more people have heard of "quarks" than the neutron or EM notions.  I'll defer to your judgement, since I am likely too immersed in it to appreciate how the average reader will perceive things.  Cheers, Bdushaw (talk) 22:51, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Cheers! :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:27, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights
I'm confused about your statement about the hook for Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights. You said at the nomination page, "That said, I'll tick ALT4 as cited and reasonably interesting. I'll tick ALT3 as cited/interesting as well, since it does a reasonably good job giving the denial and staying neutral." I chose ALT4. I read it as they were both interesting to you based on "as cited/interesting as well". SL93 (talk) 00:19, 31 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @SL93: That's about accurate, yes. What's tripping you up? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:27, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Per WP:ERRRORS, "I don't love this hook, but I see no grounds for a policy-based pull." SL93 (talk) 00:28, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @SL93: I mean, it's passably interesting, it's decent; it's not my favourite. I don't fault you for promoting it – as time goes on, I find my standards have only gotten higher. Perhaps a bit too high... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:30, 31 December 2022 (UTC)