User talk:Theleekycauldron/Archive/2022/May

Promotion of Pronunciation of GIF
congratulations!

what's next? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Mrs. Landingham! what's next? :D i have no idea, honestly. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:12, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

it crossed my mind - when I translated most of Unita Blackwell - that she might also be good for FA, - what do you think? If yes, do you have plans for a FAC, or could you nominate it. the author left Wikipedia, but that's not a reason to not have a worthy topic. Viva-Verdi died, and nonetheless, Falstaff was made a FA to honour him, and when Brian died, there was also an unfinished article that a team brought to FA honours. I might try that for Nabucco. Right now, I have a FAC that will take a while, so need help ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 1 April 2022 (UTC)


 * @Gerda Arendt: On spec, she doesn't look too far off; but I'm just exhausted, and going to all the trouble of acquainting myself with a new topic just to go from GA to FA sounds like a lot right now. Spring break is coming up, so maybe then :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:14, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * understand, do your things, she can wait, - she seems liked in German --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:36, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd recommend accessing newspapers.com through WP:TWL—when you get the hang of the interface, it's a gold mine for this kind of thing. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 21:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Did you know this? (Kniefall von Warschau) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


 * @Gerda Arendt: I'm sorry, i can't really figure out what's going on in the video... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 21:28, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, - that means no, you didn't know already. It's described in the article, an iconic gesture of reconciliation, by Willy Brandt who was mentioned in a DYK hook also mentioning Der Spiegel, remember? Which I now mentioned in the hook for Levin. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Der Spiegel again, ignore German, look for cover photo by Maks Levin. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

congrats to TFA 7 May! - I listened to the theme music with the surprising end now, - did you listen to Prayer for Ukraine? - I decorated with the image which not only illustrates journalist work and two people mentioned but stands for a period which brought East and West together. I began marking DYK positions on my talk, in case you want to help me with that goal of all 8 positions. I have already 3 5 7 in April, so why two more 3 in a row ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:31, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


 * @Gerda Arendt: I did listen to Prayer for Ukraine :) I thought it was excellent. And no, I definitely can't manipulate the prep sets to help you win a couple meaningless challenges... ;) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:12, 11 April 2022 (UTC) seriously, it's no big deal, although I'll keep it in mind for new hooks, rather than shuffling around old ones, at least for the moment. Got lots of other prep work to do.

Weird request: could you please move one of my DYK to a set for 13 April 'cause I have the TFA and this barnstar in mind? Christian Herwartz preferred, for the peace prayers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:41, 11 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming you're talking about User:Bilorv/Challenges? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:15, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I was, and played with your words. 2 DYK yesterday, 2 today, but none 13 April, so be it - focus on the TFA is probably a good idea, + there could be 3 RD, sadly --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:57, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Gerda Arendt: well, I appreciate that :) your hook is in P6 now; I wouldn't have done it, except P6 had too many U.S. hooks and there was one I could bump conscience-free. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:05, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * thank you, you are generous! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:28, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

That worked well! TFA DYK and 2 ITN which could grow to 3. - Mixed comments on preps, following pings and other: Easter (17 April) is the Western Christians' highest holiday, and I think the butterfly (now in for 16 Apr) would be a nicer image than something black-and-white Chinese. I doubt very much that we need to introduce the invasion in any hook appearing now! We could link "the war". Who cares about context in the archives for Male Fantasy? Congrats to the stats of that one! And does the war have to be on Easter (even if the Orthodox Easter is on a different date)? I have now two hooks in one set on 15 April, and the Ukrainian victims come in dense succession. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:20, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

summary: Main Page history/2022 April 13 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:55, 13 April 2022 (UTC)


 * @Gerda Arendt: nicely done on the wall-to-wall! I stand by what I said in the nompage, it's worth the few extra characters to make an unambiguous reference for our readers now and later. "Male Fantasy" isn't linked to historical events and doesn't need the same kind of context—in fact, it retains some quirk and charm from having no context. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:31, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Happy passover (if I understand right that it's ongoing. I have Easter today and tomorrow, so don't be surprised by no response to valuable suggestions, - I'll get there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Gerda Arendt: thanks! you have a happy easter, go enjoy :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:25, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * thank you, enjoyed music and walk, pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:30, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

resilience - spring - thank you for improving articles in April --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:54, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

dance and singing, and we finally seem to get all these March women marching to the main page. enjoy your week off. you asked something about the pictured Gret Palucca (on my talk) that I didn't understand but perhaps i don't have to. peace doves and icecream. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 23 April 2022 (UTC)


 * @Gerda Arendt: i only meant that if the hook had both articles bolded, instead of two separate hooks, it would have made the stats page :) My week off is going great! New Claudia (and god, do I not like her), Amy Gardner in a GA review, stuff's looking up! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 03:58, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * now i understand, but i think to make a pipe from her theatre to her (photographed) would have been a stretch ;) - the theatre is on the Main page now, and I think the pipe is an Easter egg, and may say so on errors - or not, it's not pressing - i just think "her" should be in the bolded thingy but not Germany because her name is in the title but not Germany. we had the same, btw, for Merseburge and Schwarzer for the Panorama hook when she received more clicks because being pictured than both he and the bolded subject. (and how i don't like her latest book, but that wasn't yet in the press when we pictured her) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * can you help me to a hook for Aleksey Semenenko? what a story, - too much for 200 chars - will hear him tomorrow --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:45, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Gerda Arendt: I'm on break :) i'll take a peek at Semeneko tomorrow or so. When I wrote the message, i was referring to the hook about Hans Robertson; if Palucca was bold-linked, the hook would have made the stats page. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:43, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I heard him play, and then speak: that he chose an encore he had heard in Russia, - great person! - If Palucca was bold-linked, yes, but not Palucca, but her theatre was the topic of the new article even if that was not obvious. I'll be blessed with visitors beginning tomorrow into 8 May, - don't expect much here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * now you can also listen to what i heard live yesterday, (that's 25 April in Dresden, a different violinist, but the same program) - ours pictured here - dove sono as encore --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:18, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Review credit
Hi TLC, I have been the initial reviewer of the Death to Arabs DYK but I do not really feel that I deserve the credit of the review as it caused some discussion and many reviewers were involved in finding the right hook. Do you have a solution for this? Is there some sort of a pool to which such reviews can be added? Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:49, 28 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey, Paradise Chronicle! Listen, I don't think there's anyone who could take the first whack at that nom and also have it be the end of the discussion—that's impossible for something like this. Judging from the discussion, I think you get QPQ credit. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 22:05, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh My Freaking Days! Lmao
You are such a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tamzin#Wow! naughty] girl. I might be getting a little old but if I’m seeing this correctly it shows has 75% support which in the very least should warrant a crat-chat, regardless of the outcome Tamzin has made history with over 300 editors supporting. she’d be the third person in the history of the English Wikipedia to achieve that feat, which is indicative of the love the project has for her. In my head and the heads of many others, whatever the result may be, she would forever be a sysop to me & two third of the entire project. RFA's are so toxic, even more vexing is some current sysops or legacy admins do not even possess the same proficiency, good judgment and temperament she possesses RFA has undergone some reforms but it clearly isn’t working, we all complain about the atrophy of RFA and that no one wants to step and volunteer to serve, but when geniuses such as Tamzin & yourself step forward, you get pilloried over almost every things, sometimes potential admins get pilloried over comments they made years back or even more trifling some oppose because of the age of the editor as age. it’s a shame how the project treats editors who just want to serve. This sort of behavior from the community may just make me quit Wikipedia altogether. Celestina007 (talk) 14:47, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I do try, @Celestina007 :) Is it really RfA that's broken, or is it us? We all want the right to vote however we want, for the reasons that are important to us. As long as that's the thing each individual Wikipedian places the highest premium on, we're stuck. Do we care if others have their votes struck because it's so clearly obvious that you shouldn't be able to oppose based on age/political orientation/tribalism/whatever you think is a ridiculous instinct? Not so much, no—but if you truly believed that I, being 16, am unfit for the mop, would you accept any amount of RfA reform that restricted your ability to vote based on that conscience? To some extent, I feel that term limits and elections miss the point; the problem is cultural, it's embedded within us. Maybe RfA would be less toxic if, instead of letting each user come up with their own rationale, we come up with some "fitness for the mop" checklist, and the strength of each support and oppose is measured against that checklist. No more opposes based on age, only maturity. But would you want to have to conform to that, when suddenly it restricts the reason you want to oppose? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:29, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


 * You do raise some very salient points, I honestly do not care about age or anything, disqualifying a candidate due to age is sheer ageism which is unbecoming of any editor here. it is rather silly to be honest. My criteria for supporting a candidate is quite simple; is the candidate familiar with policy? do they possess good temperament? Do they  and have a clear need for the tool? If all boxes check then give them the mop. Oh well, I guess it is what it is, honestly we all need to do better as a collaborative project. Celestina007 (talk) 20:23, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Our Sister Did it!!!
got the mop honestly If she didn’t get it I was going to exit the project, but thankfully she got it! Celestina007 (talk) 17:16, 3 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Damn right she did. now more than ever, some heartening news for an editor with grace and por poise. I hope they're celebrating somewhere much more relaxing. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 17:47, 3 May 2022 (UTC) no apologies will be made for that terrible pun
 * I'm glad she did, but if not I'd not leave the project. I don't let what others do decide what I do ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:30, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

WikiCup 2022 May newsletter
The second round of the 2022 WikiCup has now finished. It was a high-scoring round and contestants needed 115 points to advance to round 3. There were some very impressive efforts in round 2, with the top seven contestants all scoring more than 500 points. A large number of the points came from the 11 featured articles and the 79 good articles achieved in total by contestants.

Our top scorers in round 2 were:


 * 1) Epicgenius, with 1264 points from 2 featured article, 4 good articles and 18 DYKs. Epicgenius was a finalist last year but has now withdrawn from the contest as he pursues a new career path.
 * 2) 🇨🇽 AryKun, with 1172 points from two featured articles, one good article and a substantial number of featured article and good article reviews.
 * 3) Bloom6132, with 605 points from 44 in the news items and 4 DYKs.
 * 4) Transgender Pride flag.svg Sammi Brie, with 573 points from 8 GAs and 21 DYKs.
 * 5) Vexilloid of the Roman Empire.svg Ealdgyth, with 567 points from 11 GAs and 34 good and featured article reviews.
 * 6) Panini!, with 549 points from 1 FA, 4 GAs and several other sources.
 * 7) 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski, with 545 points from 1 FA, 4 GAs and a number of reviews.

The rules for featured and good article reviews require the review to be of sufficient length; brief quick fails and very short reviews will generally not be awarded points. Remember also that DYKs cannot be claimed until they have appeared on the main page. As we enter the third round, any content promoted after the end of round 2 but before the start of round 3 can be claimed now, and anything you forgot to claim in round 2 cannot! Remember too, that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Sturmvogel 66 (talk) and Cwmhiraeth Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:39, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Signature?
Hey, do you want to put your signature somewhere in your post at Village_pump_(policy)? Lots of text with no sig or timestamp to let other editors know who's proposing or when it opened. Thanks! Schazjmd  (talk)  23:33, 4 May 2022 (UTC)


 * oy va voy, thanks Schazjmd! that was silly of me. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:41, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Happens to me a lot lately...the new discussion reply forms are training me not to sign manually! Schazjmd   (talk)  23:43, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Regarding indentation in DYK noms
Hi leeky, actually IndentBot is approved and already checks DYK nomination pages. But based on feedback it now avoids making visual changes to indentation/discussion lists. Its edits are mainly for screen readers. So if you're referring to visually messed up indentation, I'm afraid it won't be of much help. If you can link an example or two of what kind of indents you're encountering, I can confirm this for you. Notacardoor (talk) 08:50, 5 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, @Notacardoor! Thanks for getting back to me; I know it won't make visual changes (i don't expect it to), but I still routinely see messed up indentation. See Template:Did you know nominations/Aakar Patel (although I recently closed it anyway). theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 08:53, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The example you gave is actually pretty much the only scenario where a visual change would be made. The extra bullet points would disappear. This is because the sequence of indents  should actually be , which is what the bot would change it to. The general rule is to use the same indentation characters as the preceding line, and add the indentation character you want if you're indenting further. Notacardoor (talk) 09:01, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Notacardoor: Right, that I'm aware of; all right, if it's making the changes somewhere I'm not seeing it, that works. Thanks! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:10, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Mail Notice
Celestina007 (talk) 15:40, 6 May 2022 (UTC)


 * we just got a letter,
 * we just got a letter,
 * we just got a letter,
 * wonder who it's from?
 * well, i guess i'm not wondering all that much... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:36, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Claudia Riner
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Claudia Riner you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kavyansh.Singh -- Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 06:01, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

something

 * but- but now it's a somethingburger. it's no longer a nothing burger. In any case, thanks for the food :) cheers! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:45, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * wait, WHAT?! you were going for the nothingburger joke? smh my head...Cheers! Fakescientist8000 14:16, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * unsuccessfully, it seems :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 16:43, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Claudia Riner
The article Claudia Riner you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Claudia Riner for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kavyansh.Singh -- Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 06:41, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Claudia Riner
The article Claudia Riner you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Claudia Riner for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kavyansh.Singh -- Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 06:21, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

develop changes out of articlespace
Regarding your comment at Template:Did you know nominations/1982 World's Fair, I might say that some editors always develop significant expansions in their user space. Some bring articles all the way to GAN that way.  Schwede 66  10:34, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Promotion check link
Following on from my confusion at WT:DYK, I was looking from List of users by number of DYK promotions and clicking the "". What seems to be the issue here is that the backslashes are carried through, and it searches only in the mainspace instead of also looking at template space. Do you get a different result when you click that link? Best, CMD (talk) 11:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Chipmunkdavis: limited to searches that are subpages of "Template:Did you know nominations"—it's a little wordy now, but that should fix it. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 21:44, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yep, working now! Unlike your ping, for some reason (it looks like it should have worked). CMD (talk) 02:59, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks so much, ! Remember to pace yourself, try not to burn out :) we'll need ya around theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Backlog
Do you know of any serious discussions about two QPQs being required to help clear the DYK backlog? There are currently 78 approved nominations and 281 unapproved nominations - a gap of 203 nominations. SL93 (talk) 06:21, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't know of any ongoing right now; there was one not too long ago, but it was shelved quietly. Judging from the graph I supplied there, a gap of 201 is high, but not unprecedented. At this point, it looks like getting one started might require an RfC. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:28, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I forgot about that one. I wonder why it was shelved...and now the gap is getting bigger. I would start a RFC, but I didn't like the process of starting one. SL93 (talk) 06:30, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @SL93: I might start one, but idk, we might wanna wait because there's likely only gonna be one shot at a successful RfC. p.s., fixed the ping bug – p.s., fixed the ping issue, pings don't work if all the links in your signature are lowercase theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 21:09, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
Hello ,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently Special:ListUsers/patroller New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

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Thoughts
Template:Did you know nominations/Wings over Kabul: The First Airlift is approved, but I keep on skipping over it because the hook is uncited. The reviewer approved it and said that the hook about the non-fiction book doesn't need to be directly cited due to being from in the book. I was wondering if you had any thoughts on it. SL93 (talk) 22:54, 23 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I mean, my thing is that the hook isn't all that interesting; non-fiction book hooks aren't bound by C6, but they do still have to bring something interesting about the book itself to the table. Giving a synopsis of the book is... iffy ground, in my opinion. I'd rather run a hook about the incident it describes with that incident as the boldlink, if we were too. As far as citation goes... yeah, PLOTSOURCE checks out. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:34, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree about it not being interesting, but mostly because its only a synopsis of the book. I am just not sure if interestingness is a thing I want to debate over right now. I was just wondering about a citation for the plot even in this case because of the direct citation rule. SL93 (talk) 00:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I did have a similar hook which dealt with breastfeeding in long ago France, but I regret that hook now because it was the plot. SL93 (talk) 00:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Aww, thanks, @Lajmmoore! pleasure's all mine :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:51, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Claudia Riner
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 25 May 2022 (UTC) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:50, 26 May 2022 (UTC)