User talk:Themanwhofalls

The Dark Knight
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Re to Erik:

You could simply take out that quote instead of helping to perpetuate stereotypes. Or, you could take out that one word and put an ellipsis in. I WAS contributing constructively, but someone decided to keep putting that quote back in.

And calling someone an ass is hardly "attacking" someone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Themanwhofalls (talk • contribs) 17:06, December 20, 2007


 * Calling someone an ass is definitely not a sign of civility. Suggesting that we are helping to perpetuate stereotypes is a bit harsh as well.  I understand what you are saying about the use of schizophrenia, but this is the way the actor described his character, and I've revised it as such.  The actor may not provide a description that we agree with, but that was how he perceived the role.  I think that when the film comes out, we will undoubtedly find out independent opinions about the character.  By the way, you can sign your comments by typing four tildes (~) at the end of it.  Let me know if you have any further comments about the quoting. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 21:18, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you actually going to apologize? Alientraveller (talk) 21:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

RE:

(I actually entered this before Alientraveller's previous post, but it didn't go in.)

Re: Okay - I was getting angry because this is an important issue to me. I apologize for the "ass" comment. But Ledger is hardly a reliable source.

However, I do not apologize for saying that it perpetuates stereotypes, because it does. Like it or not, it does.

When you have an evil, murderous character and that character gets labeled as having a mental illness, guess what? That translates into this type of labeling in the "real world." People TRULY believe that individuals who suffer mental illness are dangerous, violent, etc. But this is a myth that is perpetuated by cases such as this.

Research into violent actions by the mentally ill have found that they don't occur with any more significant numbers than in the general population. Further, the reason that these people do commit violence is from some factor other than their illness (drug use, or other common aggravating factors that lead to violence). In other words, they would have been violent even without the disease.

Even though the actor may say something, that doesn't mean it has to be repeated. If what the actor says is erroneous, it is still erroneous when repeated.Themanwhofalls (talk) 21:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Understandable, and no hard feelings. As you can see, it has now been ammended to showing it was Ledger's opinion. I hope you enjoy your time editing Wikipedia, so here's a full table:

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