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May 2018
Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Diamond_and_Silk. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. ''This is just the current example, but I have seen several similar statements in my brief time looking at pages you seem to frequent. "If you're incapable of reading sources and adhering to them, get off Wikipedia." is less than ideal.''   14:59, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will make a concerted effort to be nicer and less abrasive. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:38, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Edit warring on Brexit
Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war I cannot believe the cheek - you repeatedly revert everything within minutes and accuse me of edit-warring. Your edits do not even make sense.

Right - how do we get this in arbitration?

Hogweard (talk) 18:09, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Edit for Kirstjen Nielsen
Sorry about not putting a sorce I was going too but for some reason it would not let me use the sorce even know it’s from Fox News which is a reliable news sorce so I left it unsourced temporarily until I could find another news sorce to use.In hines sight it was probably not best to leave it unsorced. Colored (talk) 03:11, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Kelli Ward SB1469 Vote
Thank you for your feedback on my edit to the Kelli Ward page. Although I believe that the information about SB1469 cited is extremely reliable given that the source is the Arizona State Legislature's .gov website, I have found another source per your request. The signing of the appropriations bill is chronicled in the online newspaper and digital arm of The Arizona Republic's article titled "Ducey signs historically lean $9.1B Arizona budget" and published on March 12, 2015 (https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/politics/2015/03/12/arizona-governor-ducey-signs-state-budget/70244574/).

Original Edit:

Ward voted to approve appropriations bill SB1469 on March 7, 2015 which removed all state funding for Maricopa Community College District and Pima Community College when it was signed into law by Arizona Governor Doug Ducey on March 12, 2015.

Catwilsonaz (talk) 03:53, 27 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I am rapidly losing interest in the entire topic, but one thing that did occur to me recently was that the over-reliance on "azcentral" as the predominant source in the Kelli Ward article is a matter for concern. I have no particular stance on whether it is a reliable source or whether it is a neutral source, but basing most of the controversial material around it is not a good way to go. MPS1992 (talk) 22:46, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't really see that as a problem. Azcentral.com is the largest newspaper in Arizona, and it's naturally going to be the source for most recent events in Arizona. NY Times is inevitably the source with the most in-depth coverage of local NY politics, and Washington Post had the most extensive coverage of Virginia politics. These are all obvious RS. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 00:26, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Well. The New York Times is a newspaper of record, but "azcentral" does not seem to be anything near. There's a difference. MPS1992 (talk) 00:43, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * , The Arizona Republic is the largest and most prestigious paper in that state, certainly without peer as the regional "paper of record." There's nothing remotely comparable in Ward's legislative district or the congressional district in which she lives. Activist (talk) 12:14, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I've had someone trying to log in on my Wikipedia account these past few days, but they were unable to hack the password. I have no clue who it is, but wonder if you might be having the same problem, as we have differed with some of the same editors. Thanks. Activist (talk) 21:10, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I had the same problem but it appears as if a large number of editors had the same problem a few days ago, so it doesn't appear as if we were specifically targeted in that instance. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 21:13, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reassurances, but I can't help but wonder if it's some paid editor boiler room we're in conflict with whatever they're being paid for. Let's hope that's not it. Activist (talk) 07:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Edit-warring on Gateway Pundit
Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Candace Owens
Do you have a better source for your edit on Candace Owens? It seems to me that she had a website that let people comment on a wide variety of subjects (per your source) and that the person commenting on it (Bernstein) does not seem to have a good track record of verifying his sources.Patapsco913 (talk) 00:03, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Edit warring FrontPage
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on FrontPage Magazine. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. – Lionel(talk) 07:05, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

News spam
Would be great if you could slow down on the headline news spam. As an encyclopedia we're looking for academic sources. Just food for thought.--Moxy (talk) 14:17, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I will absolutely not stop adding text derived from high-quality news reporting. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 18:01, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Buzzfeed? What we are looking for is academic sources not headliner news spam with useless daily details. This keeps coming up Time and Time and Time and Time again. At some point you will have to address the community's concerns of WP:Notnews as a whole instead of arguing on talk page after talk page. Got to admit you must be frustrated with everyone reverting you all the time because of unude weight and questionable sources. --Moxy (talk) 21:28, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * There are two points that I'll make. The first doesn't really apply to you, so I'll split this up:
 * For some reason, most of the editors who cite WP:NOTNEWS and question the RS status of obvious RS in debates with me tend to do so exclusively when it concerns news reporting that reflects poorly on the article subject (e.g. a pundit promotes hoaxes, a pundit lies). Some of the same editors who argue that CNN, Politico etc. are not good sources also tend to frequently endorse sources that promote hoaxes, falsehoods and conspiracy theories. Some of the same editors who dispute that news outlets are RS also remove my edits when I add academic content and they themselves add unsourced or poorly sourced text. That's what's frustrating when I see editors citing WP:NOTNEWS and questioning the RS status of obvious RS. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:10, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * My edits rely on high-quality sourcing and have long-term encyclopedic value, so WP:NOTNEWS does not apply. Your disregard for news sources has nothing to do with Wikipedia policy. Stripping, say, the Scott Pruitt page (an article you've complained about) of all contemporary news reporting would effectively destroy that page permanently. Nobody would or ever could rewrite the text again as accurately with "academic content". There are countless pages on Wikipedia on figures who were prominent 5, 10, 15 years ago, yet we know nothing about because nobody edited their Wikipedia pages contemporaneously with high-quality sources - those pages are horrendous and could never be rewritten today (for a large number of reasons). Stripping articles of contemporaneous news articles would also make Wikipedia irrelevant to all but history buffs and science buffs - many readers want to know about, say, Scott Pruitt today, but only history buffs would want to learn about him 25 yrs from now. And those history buffs will be lucky that some editors did the time-consuming work of documenting his actions contemporaneously, so that a comprehensive picture of him is available. The desire for "academic content" is also extremely misplaced, given that the academic content also relies on the very same news reporting that we use. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:10, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Reporting versus journalism is the problem.... providing reporting sources that only cover a paragraph on today's updates isn't the same as journalistic news that researchers can use . Here is a link I usually post for our students editor's on assignment.... to show them  not to use Headline News versus academic and journalistic sources. It's not always about where the source comes from but it's content and does that belong in  Wikipedia and how much weight should be given.-Moxy (talk) 22:30, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * There's nothing more intrinsically valuable about "journalism" than "reporting" (as defined there). Both can be perfectly encyclopedic. And for what its worth, the journalism that's included in the Scott Pruitt article (one that you've complained about) is of the absolute highest caliber. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:46, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The article you mentioned above I thought every content and Source should be kept and moved to a new page over deletion. Perhaps if you understood what other think about newspapers and there reliability it would help you in your arguments..... as in which newspapers are best for certain topics.... you have to convince conservatives editors at a conservative article that the source is right (no pun intended) and liberal article watchers will demand perceived  liberal sources. This chart is a good guide.  Note how sources like Buzz feed hold zero weight from any perspective. Although everyone agrees about no bias in Wikipedia each topic and article holds his own bias because of those who are watching over it. Hard to argue with sources from Harvard vs buzz feed. --Moxy (talk) 23:03, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You have a strange view of WP:RS policy. I use RS, not sources that appeal to different factions or the public. Your "guide" to reliability is rubbish, and has nothing whatsoever to do with reliability. Academic sources are (per WP:RS policy usually the best sources), so of course a Harvard University Press book will generally be better than Buzzfeed News, BBC News and the Washington Post. Observers who dispute that Buzzfeed News is a WP:RS have been living under a rock and do not realize that Buzzfeed News has grown massively in recent years, has won Pulitzers, have Pulitzer winners on staff and is a highly regarded journalistic outfit - what the people said in a 2014 poll has no relevance whatsoever to Buzzfeed News' RS status. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 23:15, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Not only does your hatred for news sources have no foundation in Wikipedia policy, but your suggestion that I should refuse to add text that relies on sourcing that conservatives or liberals dislike is a plain violation of WP:NPOV. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 23:18, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I guess I am just not explaining this well as your replies seem way off base. Perhaps I should have written those policies better. Good luck on your daily headline news spamming.--Moxy (talk) 23:24, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You did just fine, . I see exactly what you are saying, you didn't write it in code and you hit the mark with your comparisons to reporting vs. journalism.  I have no idea your age, but you sound like you're old enough to remember (like me) when news was true journalism.  Today, we have younger folks who have known nothing but People Magazine or BuzzFeed or The Wrap and biased online sources that come up wanting in the way of journalism.  It's not your fault that SS responds with comments like, "There's nothing more intrinsically valuable about "journalism" than "reporting"...You have a strange view of WP:RS policy".  So many Wikipedia editors have fallen into the trap of ignorance about reliable sources because they have bought the lie that since Wikipedia has declared certain sources "reliable", they are undeniably reliable.  They forget that sources declared reliable were named such via consensus.  Consensus that came from a group of Wikipedia editors who are not journalists or have no idea what real journalism looks like and likely have a bias - many of which are probably online-news only readers that get their information from their Facebook "newsfeed".  The Wrap is a Hollywood newsblog, but it's been declared a reliable source by Wikipedia - ridiculous.  Vox is incredibly biased, but it's been declared a reliable source by Wikipedia - equally ridiculous.  I could go on, but I'm sure you get my point.  What's more, "reliable sources" doesn't even truly mean "reliable" and it certainly doesn't mean what's being written about by those sources is true.  Never forget, Wikipedia's standard is "verifiability over truth".  As far as the Pulitzer claim re: Buzzfeed?  I'm pretty sure that Buzzfeed has never won a Pulitzer (I'm willing to say I might be wrong about that).  They have Pulitzer writers on staff - yes - but good god - even the Pulitzer doesn't mean much anymore, and certainly not what it used to.  Keep teaching your students what journalism really is.  And be sure to tell them that Wikipedia is still not allowed to be used by colleges for sourcing because it is not a reliable source.  A non-reliable source declaring what is a reliable source and the "editors" of the non-reliable source saying "We stick with reliable sources!"  That's rich, isn't it?  :-) -- ψλ  ● ✉ ✓ 00:39, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you please tell us children who get our news from Facebook feeds more about how journalism worked in the good old days? And what happened with the Pulitzer? Be as specific as you can. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:27, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Snooganssnoogans you stated "My edits rely on high-quality sourcing and have long-term encyclopedic value" I know you don't truly believe that. You do the opposite of adding long term encylopedic value and using high quality sources. You should actually listen to the advice being given to you and stop rule breaking. The newspam you spread is worthless. AlaskanNativeRU (talk) 20:06, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Context: I added an in-depth NY Times / ProPublica investigative piece to Liberty University and AlaskanNativeRU promptly removed it. AlaskanNativeRU then in quick secession proceeded to cite a site known for pushing birther conspiracy theories and argued himself that evolution "was just a theory". Snooganssnoogans (talk) 20:14, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * And now the truth: Snooganssnoogans attempted to rewrite the entire article about an established University based on one source. And continued to add other newspam about Donald Trump in the article. While completely ignoring any real long-term encyclopedic additions. As many others already pointed out there's no getting through to you and I definitely don't have any more time to put into this. Just found it amusing this is not a single case issue and we both know you're not here to contribute any high quality long term enclyopedic edits onto Wiki. Just click bait sensational newspam. AlaskanNativeRU (talk) 21:20, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


 * click bait ....the links we provide should help expand readers research capabilities...not help the press make money by adding click bait links. There's a book call "the decline of Journalism" that goes into much more detail.  -Moxy (talk) 05:35, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I see your still debating sources.... perhaps this chart is better.--Moxy (talk) 17:40, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It's unclear to me why you're sending me links to random and contradictory assessments of reliability in media. Stop spamming this nonsense to my talk page. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:49, 23 May 2018 (UTC):
 * competency?.--Moxy (talk) 18:30, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Ben Swann
I like the outcome--hopefully it will stick. Next time, please consider making use of the article talk page in parallel with the reverts. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 17:30, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

reliable secondary sources
Please have a look at this : P. Roth's letter

Wikipedia is so darn silly sometimes. Editors seem so hidebound by rules that they let common sense go out the window. Roseohioresident (talk) 01:35, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

June 2018
Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on Talk:Liberty University. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. ''Warning is in regard to this edit where you have, once again, cast aspersions on an editor, falsely claiming they have stalked you on Wikipedia. Accusations of WP:STALK are serious here. If you think you have a case, then bring it to a noticeboard with some real evidence. Otherwise, stop with the claims and accusations that other editors are stalking you. Such accusations only make the heated editing environment at political (and other) articles more tense and cause disruption. If choose not to do the right thing and this behavior doesn't stop, you may find yourself at a noticeboard soon. Please don't let it get to that point.'' -- ψλ  ● ✉ ✓ 14:26, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you make personal attacks on other people, as you did at Talk:Liberty University. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. ''Warning is in regard to this edit. That's two at the same article page in as many days. This warning, however, is a level 4 (final warning). I hope you are done with such errors in judgement. -- ψλ  ● ✉ ✓ 21:43, 2 June 2018 (UTC)'' -- ψλ  ● ✉ ✓ 21:43, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Liberty University. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing.''You're edit warring now - not at 3RR, but edit warring behavior nonetheless and just as aggressive as well as disruptive. , .'' -- ψλ  ● ✉ ✓ 18:31, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

Snoogans, you were just warned about personal attacks, and the next day you posted this. Consider this your final warning about personal attacks on other editors. --MelanieN (talk) 15:30, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * In an attempt to keep content out of an article, MarkBassett claimed to have googled things and found no results consistent with the article content. I googled the same thing, read the first results of each search and found that the results perfectly matched the content in the article. Are we not expected to call out deception of this sort? Is it OK when editors frivolously revert reliably sourced text, falsely claim that text can't be supported by reliable sources, force editors to waste their time collecting multiple reliable sources in support of obviously accurate text, and consequently run away never to be seen again rather than say "my bad, the text is actually reliably sourced"? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:44, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * You began your response to him by saying What a load of bollocks. How deceptive and shameless can you be? The fact that you are here defending this kind of talk, or denying that it is a personal attack, is worrisome. It suggests that you don’t even recognize personal attacks when you do them. Accept my warning that the next time you do this you are likely to be blocked. I am an involved administrator at this and similar articles, so I do not carry out admin actions related to it. But I can document problems and leave it to uninvolved administrators to decide whether to take action. In this case I am warning you that IMO action is likely if you do this kind of thing again. --MelanieN (talk) 15:58, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I recognize that the behavior in this instance is problematic and commit not to repeat it. I perceived the transgressions of the other editor to be so extreme that I let my emotions get the better of me. In the future, I will diligently address concerns raised in content disputes (as I've always done) without impugning the motivations and competencies of other editors (as I've not always done). Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:08, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --MelanieN (talk) 16:13, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * MelanieN, with all due respect and appreciation for your efforts on the politics articles... To the extent you consider yourself involved in any situation, it's not only difficult for you to take impartial Admin actions, but it is most likely impossible for you to create an impartial document to pass on privately to an uninvolved Admin colleague without incorporating the same personal elements that cause you to recuse yourself from direct Admin action. Your colleague might unavoidably rely on your advice and judgment in ways that would color the colleague's own assessment of the situation, vitiating your recusal.  SPECIFICO talk 16:22, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * My only comments on the situation are public, here. Someone can take note of them if they wish. --MelanieN (talk) 17:08, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Great. I misunderstood. There's also plenty of evidence for Admins of the situations that drove Snooganssnoogans to overreact and they'll require a fairly thorough investigation by any Admin who volunteers to take on the responsibility.  SPECIFICO talk 18:29, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

The wording is being discussed in the "Widely-accepted narratives" is not NPOV, and neither is describing Sandy Hook as a "high-profile controversy" in the section of talk. Please make your defense for the wording that goes beyond Ben's reporting as well as the claims of the sourced material for the statement. Has Ben done anything besides questioned the number of shooters? If so provide source and be specific. --98.173.248.2 (talk) 14:05, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not do on Liberty University. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. '' Warning is in regard to this edit summary. Also, be mindful of not biting the newbies. <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 04:02, 8 June 2018 (UTC)'' <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 04:02, 8 June 2018 (UTC)


 * One more revert from either you, Snooganssnoogans, or AlaskanNativeRU will result in an appearance at the administrator's notice board. Quit acting like four year olds and discuss it like two grown adults. Corky  19:51, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Dennis Prager page
Hello Snooganssnoogans, could you weigh in on the Dennis Prager page? Certain "editors" are forbidding The Atlantic as a source and deleting wily-nily, even though TA is used as a source all throughout Wikipedia.Localemediamonitor (talk) 15:22, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think the Atlantic can be RS at best, but should be attributed at worst. You can also call for input from the RS noticeboard. I don't think I should intervene in the content dispute, as it could be interpreted as canvassing. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:35, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I've always found The Atlantic magazine to be reliable, though they had a problem maybe five years ago with a promotional piece looking like news or editorial opinion. It's been around for 161 years and was voted "Magazine of the Year" two years ago by the American Society of Magazine Editors. They have a good piece this month by Natasha Bertrand. Last year I got on Prager's "Prager U." mailing list somehow, and it nearly took an act of congress to get off, and he was circulating an unending stream of nonsense. Activist (talk) 16:01, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

secondary source
Regarding your most recent revert at Scott Pruitt; would you see the United States Office of Government Ethics as a secondary source, or only a non-governmental reference? X1\ (talk) 22:24, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * A letter by congressmen is a primary source. Reporting by news outlets on the letter would be an example of secondary sources. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 23:00, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * And OGE ... ? X1\ (talk) 23:04, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It would depend on what the OGE says, but I'd generally not rely solely on a government report for a claim (it would preferable to have reliable news outlets or expert commentary put the report in context). Snooganssnoogans (talk) 21:36, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, I'll do more searching when time is available. X1\ (talk) 22:44, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

?
Hey there. Sorry if it seems there was a edit war. I'm sorry if it came across that way, but I am just trying to add some positive information about what he has done, not just what he's against. Let's work together! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Florida188 (talk • contribs) 12:53, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Race and Crime
The article was published by a Public Defender's Office. I it qualifies as a secondary source. The primary sources would have been the various arrest reports, plea forms, etc. that the article was based on. In my edit I linked to the PDF. Here is the same thing from the 12 Circuit Public Defender's website. http://www.jud12.flcourts.org/News/Final-Response-Bias-on-the-Beach Is it all right with you if I re-add the edit? Emperor001 (talk) 20:11, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * No, it's a primary source. It's as far as I can tell a report published by one of the courthouses that were implicated. This needs to be sourced to reliable secondary sources (e.g. media coverage, expert commentary) that will put this report in context. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 20:22, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I am afraid you are mistaken. It was not published by the courthouse itself (the judges implicated).  It was published by the 12th Circuit Public Defender's Office (a separate agency from the judge's chambers and they were reviewing judges from the 19th Circuit).  As I stated before the primary sources involved were the various arrest reports, plea agreements, etc. that led to the sentences.  An outside Public Defender's Office reviewed the information and pointed out several flaws in the Sarasota Herald-Tribune's methodology.  Because they were assessing true primary sources and commenting on judges from another circuit it looks like a secondary source to me.  Emperor001 (talk) 12:53, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, I just came across this publication in the Florida Bar News. https://www.floridabar.org/news/tfb-news/?durl=%2FDIVCOM%2FJN%2Fjnnews01.nsf%2FArticles%2F77E3DE69B89C9D8F852581320065AA76 Granted it is written by a judge from the 12th Circuit.  Even so, I believe it is appropriate for the article to reference responses to the Sarasota Herald-Tribune's article.    Emperor001 (talk) 12:57, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Another thought I had that may satisfy your concerns: under Wikipedia policy primary sources may be used with caution, so we can qualify the wording by saying, "judges and public defenders responded that..." which is a fair statement of what these sources say, no different than statements by an accused criminal denying allegations and Wikipedia citing that denial until a news report picking up on it (and I don't see the Sarasota Herald-Tribune posting responses that undermine its article).  Emperor001 (talk) 13:08, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

formatting
Just did special:diff/846883784, is that what you mean by threading, indents? Emphasizing larger paragraphs for replies is something I'll try to remember. It's a delicate art I guess because if a paragraph gets too long it's also hard for some to read, but you're not the first to point out I overdo that. I've even caught myself doing 2-sentence paragraphs before. Part of it is an optical illusion when you edit in a narrow textbox, it looks larger (more wordwrap and lines) on my screen than it ends up looking on others' wider screens. ScratchMarshall (talk) 13:26, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Bill Posey Environment and Energy
I would like to work with you to make this section reflect the article more closely.

Edit I would like to make: At a May 2018 hearing in the Science, Space and Technology Committee, Posey introduced the now disproved, outlier position that climate scientists believed that the Earth was cooling in the 1970s. At the hearing, Posey also expressed skepticism that humans contributed to climate change, asking how carbon dioxide could be captured in permafrost in the periods before humans existed. Posey also asked at the hearing whether warming would be being beneficial for habitats and to people. Posey also stating "I don't think anybody disputes that the Earth is getting warmer; I think what's not clear is the exact amount of who caused what, and getting to that is, I think, where we're trying to go with this committee."

Please let me know what you think (Bketnick (talk) 14:09, 18 June 2018 (UTC)).


 * No, I don't think this text is an improvement. It's fine as it already is. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 20:18, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


 * At the very least I would like to clarify the "good in the end" statement and add the direct quote as it contextualizes and clarifies the issue position in the source and it is a direct quote of the congressman. You've been protective of this section, I'd like to make sure you wouldn't feel this is inappropriate or incorrect. Bketnick (talk) 12:51, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Deletions from lede
You had deleted considerable content from the Scott Pruitt article's lede, but didn't move any of the text or citations to the article. Were you going to do that? Also, Inhofe told Laura Ingraham that Pruitt should probably resign, but after meeting with him, he reversed himself. Inhofe is Pruitt's long time friend, ally and mentor. The issue of the Rose Bowl tickets acquired via lobbyists, does not yet appear on the article's laundry list of controversies. I deleted Curbelo's photo from the article, and some of the remaining photos might be deleted as well, I thought. Activist (talk) 12:23, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I assumed they were in the article. Feel free to restore. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 12:29, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll take care of it later today. Activist (talk) 15:26, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

June 2018--Personal attacks
You attacked when you wrote "Your reading comprehension is atrocious to say the least."

You used the same insult with me here: "you need to work on your reading comprehension"

It is important to comment on content--not your fellow editors WP:NPA. Especially at articles under DS where incivility is an actionable offense. – Lionel(talk) 07:05, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

California Proposition 187
I have no horse in the race, I just noticed it when you mentioned it on MelanieN's page so I thought I would add the link you mentioned there as well. I do not plan on continuing at the prop 187 article though. I did not end up participating in the NPOVN discuss before and to be honest doubt I would if you reposted it. But I would certainly be interested to see the outcome. Do you think things have changed enough to warrant a new RFC? PackMecEng (talk) 14:18, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

You beat me to it!
Cheers soibangla (talk) 22:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Larry_Kudlow&diff=848119349&oldid=847236222

Steve King
Hey. I just wanted to let you know that my edit to Steve King was unintentional. I was trying to fix a ref problem where a cite web had a 1 instead of a | following it. I think what happened was that I was editing a previous version when I made that edit so way more got changed than I meant for it to. I'm sorry for the mistake, I wasn't trying to be deceptive, it was my error. Thanks for the swift revert. I am beyond embarrassed. Alexander Levian (talk) 22:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

July 2018
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did at Liberty University, you may be blocked from editing. You know better than to add such personal, POV commentary. <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 00:24, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Trump
Did you notice that you restored a version that actually does not consistently keep similar content together and, in my opinion, makes it harder to follow the chain of events? Richard 19:02, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

NBER papers
Hi, you're doing a great job adding all these relevant NBER working papers, but may I suggest that you add their DOI instead of URL? Just to make the external links more "future proof." --bender235 (talk) 17:02, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion, I will definitely do it. Argh, I can't believe I never thought of it before. I usually add DOIs for journal articles, but never thought to do it for NBER papers. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:07, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

DS Alert
I'm notifying all editors involved in the discussion at Talk:Liberty University. –dlthewave ☎ 17:01, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Korny O'Near
, after being warned about edit warring here, is now edit warring on a new page.

He is also engaging in the same WP:IDHT behavior on the talk page. Talk:Franchesca Ramsey. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:52, 18 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Guy Macon - please stop harassing me. Korny O&#39;Near (talk) 20:53, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Edit-warring on Liberty University
Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. AlaskanNativeRU (talk) 16:00, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Liberty University reverts
Just so you know, one must be careful not to engage in original synthesis when editing Wikipedia. Original synthesis basically means drawing one's own conclusions about a subject mentioned in an article, rather than sticking with the facts presented in said article. For example, calling creationism a "pseudoscience" is original synthesis, a form of original research. Nowhere in the source cited does it explicitly refer to creationism as pseudoscience; therefore, such a conclusion cannot be included in this article. Also, referring to Trump's Access Hollywood tape as "sexual assault" also violates WP:NOR and WP:SYNTH. First of all, the source cited does not refer to the incident as sexual assault. Second, the words uttered on the tape are merely words, and all words are subject to interpretation and can easily be misinterpreted. In fact, just about anything that anyone says can potentially be misconstrued to mean something offensive. Therefore, conclusions based on one's personal interpretation of another's words cannot and must not be included in this article, either.

If you can come up with new sources that provide reliable information that justifies your reverts, while also avoiding original synthesis, then feel free to change the article as you see fit while also including the new sources needed. Otherwise, it's best to leave the clean-up edits alone. Also, keep in mind that a reliable source is not one that has a reputation for being reliable; rather, it is one that is providing reliable information. Greggens (talk) 00:53, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * (1) Per WP:FRINGE and a discussion on the Fringe noticeboard specifically about Liberty University, creationism if taught in science classes ought to be described as pseudoscience. (2) I don't know about you, but I consider the unwanted grabbing of genitals to be sexual assault. If you want to say he boasted about grabbing women's genitals, and that they let you do it if you're famous, feel free to add that. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:25, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * "I consider the unwanted grabbing of genitals to be sexual assault." (1) What you consider to be sexual assault is neither here nor there in relation to contributing to Wikipedia. As I hope you already know, adding our own personal beliefs into articles is WP:OR and in this case, WP:POV; (2) There's no evidence what Trump stated in the video was an action he ever performed, therefore, no actual sexual assault occurred -- all we know is he talked about it.  Thoughts are not actions nor are they crimes.
 * Thank you, ! Greggens (talk) 02:49, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * "Per WP:FRINGE and a discussion on the Fringe noticeboard specifically about Liberty University, creationism if taught in science classes ought to be described as pseudoscience." Link to this alleged discussion and conclusion?  <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 01:32, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The text never said he did sexually assault anyone. This is not complicated. I've already linked to the FRINGE discussion, and you've already clicked the link. This is not complicated. Please get off my talk page and stop wasting my time. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:36, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * would probably like to see the link and the discussion, since you brought it up as a point of fact. Could you do that for him?  Thanks.  <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 01:38, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * He's edited the Liberty University page and participated on the talk page. He can figure it out. Or even better, you can send him the link if that was what your concern was. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:42, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * , it seems that you've misread WP:FRINGE with regard to this issue. For it is written in WP:FRINGELEVEL, "ideas should not be portrayed as rejected or carry negative labels such as pseudoscience unless such claims can be documented in reliable sources." This is, thus, primarily an issue of original research, not fringe theories. Either creationism should be mentioned in the article without the "pseudoscience" label, or creationism should not be mentioned at all. Greggens (talk) 02:49, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

May 2018
Regarding this: (1) Policy states we don't name editors in talk page headers; (2) policy also states we don't personally attack editors in talk page headers, just as we don't personally attack editors, period. <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 16:05, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Which policies prohibit naming editors in talk page headers and rightfully describing absurd edits as "absurd"? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:07, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * On a related note, did you ever edit the Liberty University article or talk page before I got involved on those pages? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:09, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The article has been on my watchlist for some time. Attempt at a Red Herring noted.  The policies are out there, look them up if you must/need.  Stop playing games.  <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 16:17, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Huh, that's weird. You add articles to your watchlist that you don't edit? Did you add the article to your watchlist before or after I began to edit it? Before or after you sought to canvass Lionelt to find something sanctionable about me when you were losing a content dispute? Before or after your frivolous sanction report against me (related to the same content dispute that you had long lost)? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:21, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I find it weird how the same cast of editors show up in content disputes on pages that they've never edited before to interject on behalf of whomever I am having a disagreement with. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:28, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * "You add articles to your watchlist that you don't edit?" I add articles to my watchlist that I am interested in. As I imagine many Wikipedia editors do.  Next?  "Did you add the article to your watchlist before or after I began to edit it?" I added it weeks ago.  I have no idea when you started to edit it because I don't care about what articles you edit.  Next? "Before or after you sought to canvass Lionelt to find something sanctionable about me when you were losing a content dispute?"  I didn't canvass  nor was I trying to find something "santionable" in regard to you.  Next?  "Before or after your frivolous sanction report against me (related to the same content dispute that you had long lost)?"  It wasn't a "sanction report" (whatever that is), and there is no winning or losing in Wikipedia.  I'm sorry you're so upset by all of this, however, you did violate policy with the talk page header you created.  That was the sole purpose of the warning I placed here on your talk page.  I hope you have learned something from this and won't repeat the same error(s) and violation of policy.  Sincerely,<span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 16:33, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Could you please link to the policy that I'm supposed to have violated? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:36, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Here you go: <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 00:15, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

May 2018
Please be careful about what you say to people. Some remarks, such as your addition to Talk:Liberty University can easily be misinterpreted, or viewed as harassment. Wikipedia is a supportive environment, where contributors should feel comfortable and safe while editing. '' This warning regards your continued inappropriate exchanges with editors at WP:NPA. Along with the original talk page header and personal attacks at the talk page, harassment has now become an issue in this section. Four editors have asked you to tone it down, but your personal attacks have now escalated and have taken on the appearance of harassing anyone there who opposes your opinions. Please stop immediately.'' <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 14:05, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Trey Gowdy reverts
Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

Edit warring on immigration
Regarding: "but finds for the United States that immigration either has no impact on the crime rate or that it reduces the crime rate." This content is still under debate, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, November 18, 2009. CITATION: https://cis.org/Report/Immigration-and-Crime

The additional content will read: "New government data indicate that immigrants have high rates of criminality, while older academic research found low rates," according to the Center for Immigration Studies. "The newer information available as a result of better screening of the incarcerated population suggests that, in many parts of the country, immigrants are responsible for a significant share of crime." Center for Immigration Studies, November 18, 2009. CITATION: https://cis.org/Report/Immigration-and-Crime

Your user page
The troll has been blocked, but in case they come back, let me know and I will protect your page. --MelanieN (talk) 02:33, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Edit warring on The Gateway Pundit
Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noto-Ichinose (talk • contribs)
 * Just to add, Snoogans: at this point you are only at 2RR, but you know the rules. I don't see any attempt to discuss this dispute at the talk page but that is what you are supposed to be doing. --MelanieN (talk) 22:53, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * There are multiple discussions on the GP talk page that relate to Noto-Ichinose's mass removal of reliably sourced content. GP is one of many fringe conspiracy articles where editors, usually IP numbers, regularly pop up and whitewash content. It's an undue burden on regular editors to require that they start a discussion every time a new vandal shows up with blatantly meritless edits. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:14, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Now 3RR and still no attempt to discuss. <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 13:45, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I reverted your removal of reliably sourced text and pointed to my reasoning in a talk page discussion on precisely this topic. This is part of a broader pattern where Winkelvi stalks me to pages that he has not edited before, interjects on behalf of whomever I'm having content disputes with, and then has the audacity to complain about me edit-warring. Winkelvi has stepped up this obsessive behavior in the last few days, stalking me to numerous pages that he has not edited before, only to revert me. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:40, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * "only to revert me" See this as response, . And then there's this - which is not a reversion, but a removal of inappropriate content .  SS's edit summary claims his reversion is justified per "RS", but that's not an appropriate response at all.  A talk page discussion was started pre-SS's revert, he has yet to join in there.  This has become a common theme for SS.  And there's this blanket revert of good content  (there's more over the last several weeks just like it, if anyone's interested).
 * Back to 3RR: It's a bright line. Hopefully, you won't cross it. SS.  You're getting known as a POV-pushing edit warrior, by the way.  You'd be wise not to continue in that direction.  Take it from someone who knows first hand that you're going down a very slippery slope (about being an edit warrior, that is... I've never been one to push POV). <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 15:00, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I encourage everyone to look at those two edits that Winkelvi cited. A perfect encapsulation of the "problematic edits" that Winkelvi is getting so upset about. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:05, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Problem solved at the McSally article      Snoogans made a good suggestion (putting the content into the appropriate sections) .  Although, it really would have been better if he had done it himself rather than revert first.  <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 15:24, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Well... this is just sad. He has reverted these good changes (even though he suggested making the changes).  Now we're definitely into edit warring behavior territory as well as WP:DISRUPT and WP:POINT.  <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 15:26, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * You're lying. This is not a hard discussion to follow. You seriously think it's gonna fly to tell people that when I said "The sub-section is perfectly fine" I was actually saying "Get rid of the sub-section"? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:30, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No, not lying at all. You made a suggestion, I followed through with it.  Now, your reasoning at the article talk page is, "because I said the subsection is fine", and you even said it twice , after claiming the reason for your first reversion is "RS".  Making a unilateral decision isn't in your scope, SS.  Neither is it in mine.  Especially after what you've done is called into question and challenged.  That's why we have things like consensus and discussion at talk pages: to keep all of that from happening.  You made a suggestion, it was a good one - and made sense, so I followed through with it.  You then reverted yet again, without further discussion, based on your own unilateral WP:IDLI decision.  That's not how Wikipedia works.  I am starting to see, however, why you edit war so frequently: you think you know what's best for the 'pedia all on your own.  Like I said on your talk page: you're going down a very slippery slope.  Do you seriously not want to take a look at what you're doing, how you're doing it, and why after you end up blocked for disruption and edit warring?  I can't discuss this any further at this time, but will be revisiting the whole thing later today. <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 16:03, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * You're now lying about the sequence of events. This is the sequence of events:
 * # You mass-removed reliably sourced content. I reverted.
 * # You argued on the talk page that the content "might belong in the article, it doesn't belong as a subsection in the section where it currently sits".
 * # My response in full: "The sub-section is perfectly fine. Anyway, if that was your true concern (rather than just harassing me), you could have moved the content to a different section." In other words, I said the sub-section was fine, and expressed puzzlement that you mass-removed content if your genuine disagreement was with placement of the content.
 * # You then moved some of the content to different sections while deleting other content, claiming that I suggested it. As I did not suggest it and explicitly opposed it ("the sub-section is perfectly fine"), I reverted it.
 * This is getting extremely tiresome. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:17, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Indeed, it is getting tiresome. At pretty much every article you edit, this is your approach: reverting and either no talk page discussion attempts from you or no productive discussion from you, just "I don't like it like that" reasoning with RS thrown in willy-nilly.  I suggest you seriously consider a different approach.  Which, I might add, is precisely what  was saying to you when she warned you against 3RR at the top of this section.  <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 16:26, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

If this was an article talk page I would hat the insult-fest above. Since it is Snoogans' user talk page I will leave it alone. But I will note that Snoogans has launched two discussions at the article talk page, inviting Noto and WV to come and discuss the issues. That was the right thing to do. So far neither Noto or WV has responded. --MelanieN (talk) 19:53, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know about the other article talk page,, but I was the one who started the discussion at the McSally talk page, not SS. The same goes for the Tom Fitton talk page  .  By the way, I noted above and at the other talk page discussion that I would not be available for several hours and would not be able to discuss any of this until later today.  I guess you missed that along with the fact that it was me, not Snoogans, who started the other talk page discussion? (just as I have started several talk page discussions which Snoogans has ignored in the not so distant past).  <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 22:32, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * This section is titled "The Gateway Pundit". That's the article I'm talking about. I can't possibly be expected to follow the two of you around to every article at which you disagree. --MelanieN (talk) 22:49, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is the title of the section, however, there are plenty of diffs to lead you to the other articles. I guess you missed those, too.  <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 22:52, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Winkelvi, you have repeatedly pinged me to this page, as if I am supposed to follow every twist and turn of your squabbling - and now you are expecting me to go check out half a dozen other pages that you "guess I missed". Let me make myself clear: I avoid drama boards whenever possible, and I have no intention of getting dragged into the war between the two of you. I don’t intend to follow your disagreements, and I don’t intend to mediate them or judge between you. If the two of you can’t figure out a way to stop hassling each other (and it does appear to me that you, WV, are the one doing most of the hassling), sooner or later it is liable to wind up with sanctions against one or both of you. But I will not be the one imposing them. --MelanieN (talk) 23:21, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, look. A threat from an administrator. What a disappointment, Mel. <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 23:27, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I "guess you missed" what I actually said: "But I will not be the one imposing them." And my name is Melanie. --MelanieN (talk) 23:32, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't miss anything, saw it all loud and clear. <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 23:58, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I have responded at that article talk page. Ball's in SS's court.  We'll see how he decides to respond.  <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 22:40, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions alert

 * I am posting this on your talkpage out of an abundance of caution solely because you recently edited Talk:Sarah Jeong and, as the message says, not suggesting any policy violation by you. Abecedare (talk) 02:07, 5 August 2018 (UTC)