User talk:Theoldanarchist/Archive 2 Jun 2007

Troll-B-Gon
I could tell he was annoying you somewhat. If only it was a real tool like popups.... One Night In Hackney 303  21:40, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You timed it well. At this rate I'll have to see if 1.1 will be available soon.... One Night In Hackney  303  22:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Bobby Sands
The member/volunteer fiasco is due to this mediation request. However if the person reviewing it for GA says it needs changing, in my opinion it gets changed. The outcome of that is slightly flexible and doesn't say it's permanent, and if GA depends on it an exception will have to be made for that article. I'll look into his 1977 arrest later, when I'm slightly more awake. When you get to the "Reactions" section I don't think it's necessary to have the reactions from every single city/country in full. It would be best to list the major ones, then something along the lines of "Demonstrations also took place in x, y, z, etc...". Thanks. One Night In Hackney 303  08:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You should know by now, POV only works one way. That's why any Republican sources are partisan and unreliable, yet when the British media report a Ministry of Defence cover-story for why an IRA man was shot, it's a reliable and accurate account! I'm having problems with the usual suspects on Bloody Friday anyway, see the edits he's made and the talk page.... One Night In Hackney  303  16:42, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd just put about the strike being for political status (or something similar) in the lead, then the five demands can be covered in depth in the main body. Also you don't want to link to this Volunteer, you want to link to this Volunteer. One Night In Hackney  303  16:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm keeping an eye on things. I wouldn't particularly say the media coverage resulted in a new surge of IRA activity though. It's a slightly complex situation, but IRA activity dropped off while the hunger strike was ongoing. The Army Council didn't want anything to take focus off the hunger strikes, so any bomb that accidentally killed civilians or the like would have been counter-productive. Post-hunger strike the movement was a lot stronger, as the role of Sinn Féin started to grow due to the electoral successes, and as happened after Bloody Sunday; recruitment increased due to the deaths of the hunger strikers. Naturally IRA activity did increase after the end of the hunger strike, but the more important aspect to focus on is the growth of the movement due to it. When 100,000 people attended Bobby's funeral that was the sign that there was a mass level of support for republicanism. Naturally I can source all that as well. One Night In Hackney  303  17:01, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ooops! Just goes to show how much work needs to be done on the article then.... One Night In Hackney  303  17:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look in a bit. A check of my recent contribs should show you why I'm busy smashing my head against my keyboard... One Night In Hackney  303  18:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * My latest post on the talk page should show what I'm up against.... One Night In Hackney  303  19:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Had a quick look. I've not at all keen on "on an (Anti-H-Block/Armagh Political Prisoner) ticket" as it doesn't sound enyclopedic in the slightest. Anti H-Block was the name of the movement (not sure if it was a legit party), but this confirms that's what he stood as, not independent or anything like that. I'd probably change it to "as an Anti H-Block candidate" myself. Thanks. One Night In Hackney  303  19:58, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I know it's a common phrase, I've heard it frequently myself. It just sounds something that the media would (and do) say, rather than an enyclopedia entry. That's about it for now. I think once the main article is up to scratch we can see what (if anything) can be added to the lead. One Night In Hackney  303  20:06, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There's no rush. I'd purge the Armagh Political Prisoner bit as well as that can't be sourced from what I remember, whereas the AHB can be. I'll check later, but I'm 99% certain I don't have a cite for it. One Night In Hackney  303  20:14, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I was wrong, very wrong :( One Night In Hackney  303  20:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've made a few minor improvements, but I've also been rather busy working my magic on 1981 Irish hunger strike, which looks a lot better than 36 hours ago hopefully. One Night In Hackney  303  20:57, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah well, take a break I did for a couple of days earlier this week and I'm more enthusiastic now. It's unbelievable how much information is actually missing from the hunger strike article, once I get round to sourcing everything that needs to be sourced and removing the dubious parts I can get round to adding that. Hopefully by the end of next week I'll have it nominated for GA anyway. One Night In Hackney  303  23:48, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Sinn Féin
His first couple of edits weren't that bad actually, although my eyebrows certainly raised when he called NICRA's campaign violent. Getting back to the hunger strike (improvements going nicely) I was actually slightly mistaken with what I said before. Although IRA activity dropped off in the 1980 strike, the Army Council said that military action would continue unabated during the 1981 strike, and it was actually a rather bloody period. Still I can't be expected to remember the exact details of everything all the time, that's why I have books! One Night In Hackney 303  00:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well that's one beverage guaranteed to cure most ailments. The HS article is coming along nicely now, plenty of the information can be copied straight across to the Sands article as well which is convenient. One Night In Hackney  303  13:10, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Navarone
By all means change the redirect. I'm all for the original work (novel) coming up on a search first. Thanks. Her Pegship  (tis herself) 02:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Reverted some vandalism
Just wanted to let you know that I reverted some vandalism on your userpage by 74.116.32.151. Tim V.B. { critic &amp; speak } 21:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Response
You wrote:


 * My Response:
 * I edit with some internet protector thingy on which tries to "censor" or "delete" profanity and otherwise inappropriate words. When I tried to eliminate the vandalism, other stuff was deleted, too. I would've tried to bypass and fix it, but I didn't have the time.

--əˈnongahy ♫Look What I've Done!♫ 22:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

FYI
We have a common aquaintance it seems.

See FYI in the direction of being more complete. Adding the cats is not covered by 'guideline' so far as I know, and in the three years or so I've been around Wikipedia, has not been a thing on which consensus has been achieved, so people do as they like. I use a '}' prefix to mean 'Redirect page' so they sort out after the last alphabetized items. Nice to meetchya! // Fra nkB 03:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

CRM
No, not touched it. However looking at the talk page someone is trying to appear all self righteous well after the event, so the old saying "where were you when the fists were flying?" may apply quite well. Hope you got everything dealt with anyway, apart from certain articles I'm cutting down my Wiki activities for the forseeable future. One Night In Hackney 303  05:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I know that feeling, so glad I'm not on speaking terms with my family any more. I'll still be round and about, there's a couple of articles I need to finish, and a couple I want to substantially improve and I'll be reverting anything dubious on articles I still have watchlisted, but other than that I'm not doing anything time consuming. One Night In Hackney  303  14:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's basically a long story, starting with frustration at a certain editor who purports to be a long standing member of the movement in Ireland. for two days he wasted my time and his edit warring over the spelling of a name, while at the same time trying to quote books to prove his point. However also contained in those books was information that would have improved the article in question, yet he neglected to add any of it. He then got on his high horse and tried acting all superior, and to be honest I can't be bothered wasting my time under those circumstances. He's more interested in edit warring over names and flags than actually expanding or improving any of the Irish republican articles, and if he's intent on working against me rather than with me I'll happily edit some articles in another area I'm interested in. He should appreciate all the work I've done, but as he clearly doesn't I'll just leave it all to him in future, save for a couple of articles I still have an interest in improving (Easter Rising, Sands and the Hunger Strike). I was waiting to see what happens with the HS GA nomination before making any improvements to the Sands article, as quite a lot can be copied straight across from one article to the other. One Night In Hackney  303  06:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed. If you take a look at the participants list over at the project and see how many are particularly active (or active at all) editing the project articles you'll see why I'm so frustrated with it all. Plus there was this pearl of wisdom from one particular editor:
 * "I get annoyed myself at times that the people at the Irish Republicanism project seem to feel ownership of articles that other people have written"
 * Yet he had posted this on my talk page a couple of weeks earlier:
 * "Can shout you also give me a you are planning big changes to articles I've created?"
 * You have to like the way I need permission to edit any of "his" articles, yet he has the audacity to accuse others of ownership problems! One Night In Hackney  303  14:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I have all the project articles watchlisted, and it terms of constructive improvements (or even editing in general) there's very little happening. As for the standard of his work, well he started Chronology of Provisional IRA actions, and it looked like this to begin with. After not much improvement from him and other editors it looked like this, and well the current version speaks for itself although it's still nowhere near finished. One Night In Hackney  303  15:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * To be fair I'm not suggesting he's a bad editor, I'm sure there are plenty of better examples and I know he's cut down on editing for various reasons anyway. I just object to his contradictory stance on article ownership, there's a notice every time you edit a page that says - If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it. But that said the problem with the other editor is rather different, as there's a substantial difference between improving an article and instigating two day disputes over the spelling of a person's name when they are slightly more pressing things that need to be done. My position right now is that if nobody else can be bothered improving the articles then I'll just do not much either. One Night In Hackney  303  16:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Understandable, far better to write and get paid for it. However I've just started reading Gunrunners (ISBN 1-84717-014-5) about IRA arms importation, so that might stir some creative juices and add some content. If anything a quick check of the index has already proved that this is supported, as it states the first contacts made with arms dealers in the former Yugoslavia were by a senior Continuity IRA member. Note that although the CIRA didn't technically do anything before 1996 they most certainly existed, as post the 1986 split in SF the CIRA Army Council were planning for an armed campaign so acquiring weaponry was certainly part of their activities. One Night In Hackney  303  17:16, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually you're not too wide of the mark. The CIRA contact did a deal that also involved the RIRA, who then did various importations of their own from the area. The first RPG-18 found in Ireland was in a seizure at a RIRA training camp in '99, and they also imported some RPG-22s as well. In 2002 a man was arrested in Split in posession of 50 grenades marked "Property of NATO forces" which were alleged to be destined for the RIRA. You'd think soldiers might be more careful with their grenades wouldn't you? This has given me a good idea though, the RIRA article could benefit from a section about their weaponry, especially as there's a decent sized chapter about it in this book, and information available from other sources too. One Night In Hackney  303  18:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

1803 rebellion
I don't know that much about it to be honest, the modern era is the area I tended to concentrate my attention in simply because I enjoy reading books and there's plenty readily available. Domer48 is probably the best person to speak to about it. One Night In Hackney 303  15:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I was implying you thought I'd be working on it don't worry. I was just pointing out how little I actually know about it, and whether an article could be written and where source material is available. Not read the book in question, busy getting through 20+ books I haven't read to date at the moment though... One Night In Hackney  303  03:21, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Post-1969 era? One Night In Hackney  303
 * The Irish War: The Hidden Conflict between the IRA and British Intelligence ISBN 0801871174 (mainly post 1969, but also includes chapters on everything from 1798 through to Easter Rising through to Civil War and up to 1969)
 * Bandit Country ISBN 0340717378 (essential book about the South Armagh Brigade)
 * Black Operations: The Secret War Against the Real IRA ISBN 0954294556
 * Provos ISBN 0747538182 (part of a trilogy, others are Loyalists and Brits)
 * A Secret History of the IRA ISBN 014101041X
 * Armed Struggle: The History of the IRA ISBN 0195177533
 * Joe Cahill : A Life in the IRA ISBN 0862788366
 * I'll think of some more later. One Night In Hackney  303  04:10, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

RIRA
Thanks! Still got some more to do, and definitely need to sort out the weaponry section still. That text isn't redundant, it's actually quite important in my opinion. One day I'll find a reliable source for citing it, but from what I remember the RIRA attack was actually on the 60th anniversary of the first attack on the bridge (although I could be slightly mistaken on that). The whole point of the RIRA attacking that bridge was that it's a very symbolic target. One Night In Hackney 303  05:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Definitely wasn't the 60th anniversary, but see here and here for more details. I need to add something else to the England section anyway, so I'll add in the significance of the bridge. One Night In Hackney  303  05:19, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Amended the article, hopefully it should make more sense now. One Night In Hackney  303  06:24, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Still got more to do, the "Subsequent activities" section needs expanding and changing slightly as I want to restructure it so it includes some attacks (like this and others mentioned in the article, plus some others hopefully) from after McKevitt was arrested but before he was convicted. That's pretty simple though, doesn't require any drastic changes luckily. There's also quite a few attacks from after he was convicted that aren't mentioned as well. Then there's just the missing "Weaponry" section in theory, although I'm sure I'll think of something else that needs adding. That's one of the few articles I'm still interested in improving really, hence my continued interest in it. One Night In Hackney  303  14:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't know to be honest. Even today my motivation has been dented after these edits. Anyone that's familiar with my work (ie most project members, which he is) knows I shoot straight down the middle, and at times you just have to call a spade a spade. If you don't you only run the risk of more pro-Brit editors scrutinising every single edit you make to any article, and the less disruption they cause the better. Fair enough on the author name I cocked up on, but the second edit isn't supported by the source anyway. A quick check of contribs shows nothing of major significance, so again we're back to people quibbling over wording (and in this case trying to push a minority POV) rather than addressing any of the work that needs doing on the many other articles. Then of course you've got people making edits like these (read the whole article to understand how fundamentally wrong that edit is), which really don't help in the slightest.... One Night In Hackney  303  15:58, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Decided I still have plenty more to do with the article after all. After reading the book a bit more last night I decided there were various things missing.
 * The reason why England was targeted ✅
 * The disruption caused by the Ealing bombing
 * The publicity gained by the MI6 rocket attack
 * The campaign in NI being intensified due to the England attacks (needs a whole section just for that)
 * More background on the Omagh bombing and why it went wrong, instead of just starting with 29 people being killed and going from there
 * Second bomb in Banbridge which was two weeks before the Omagh bombing, and was their biggest attack to date at that point
 * Plus all the other bits and pieces I've already mentioned. One Night In Hackney  303  09:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

LPYC
See here, and I know plenty about the email as well ;) The thing about those edits is that they are the sort of edits that should be made by those familiar with the subject matter, not banned wrestling fan vandals who know nothing about the articles in question. One Night In Hackney  303  14:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It took a while to nail him down, but once I did the evidence was pretty damning. He's just a vandal and a troll, and any lingering doubt I had about whether it was him or not was erased the second he touched those articles, as it was a classic "look it's me" sign. One Night In Hackney  303  14:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm too lazy to find the link! The hunger strike article should finally be reviewed soon with any luck, it's now third in the oldest five articles which are listed in the backlog box at the top of the candidates page. Once that's done I should have more work to do other than the RIRA article. One Night In Hackney  303  14:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That could be a good idea. Just picked up the Nothing but an Unfinished Song book actually (may as well add that to the list above, ISBN 0745325726), that should be handy for adding some more information to Bobby's article. One Night In Hackney  303  15:01, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

County Derry
Those pesky anons are always at it aren't they? One Night In Hackney 303  15:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I know, I can think of plenty of articles that could do with moving to much more appropriate names. One Night In Hackney  303  15:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Hunger Strike
Nice. One Night In Hackney 303  04:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Shortly after I found details of a monument in Dublin anyway, so I got to remove that horrible term. Just asked for a peer review as well, next stop featured article. One Night In Hackney  303  14:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Not sure, never done one. I just assume that should iron out any minor problems prior to the FA nomination, rather than it failing that miserably. On a more positive note I've decided to add Provisional IRA arms importation to my list of projects. It's a handly little article, it won't attract any POV warriors in theory as it's largely factual, plus I have plenty of source material including the rather excellent Gunrunners book which is 400+ pages of little but IRA arms importation.  One Night In Hackney  303  15:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

agorism
Thanks for getting in touch. I watch the agorism page, but haven't had the time to dip very deeply back into the published sources recently, so I hesitate to edit. My thoughts on the jneil situation is that 1) the edits sound like Neil, and 2) Neil, whatever else you want to say about him, is knowledgeable, so I would be inclined just to temper the edits, correct the tone, etc. Libertatia 16:00, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Just be professional about tone, sourcing, etc. If it's Neil, then he's the guy who can help with sources. Libertatia 16:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The difficulty here is that JNEIL is not being professional. He is unabashadly self-promoting, and frankly overwriting anything in reference to Konkin's stance(s). A careful read of JNEIL's edits show's the dillemma~


 * one other thing, J.Neil Shulman has apparently met god, literally. on the J Neil Schulman article he has placed references to websites which promote his audiobook, in which he claims that he has spoken to god, who came to him one night and led him to begin working at correcting things religion has gotten wrong. sadly, i think the man's reference and rational capabilities have been clouded by delusions of grandeur. i don't say these things to try and bash the man, i say these things so you can better understand who we are dealing with in the agorism article.~ HERE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Neil_Schulman

Óglach Roibeard Gearóid Ó Seachnasaigh
You interested in making a start at improving this yet? One Night In Hackney 303  21:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about you putting your new lead into place first? I didn't want to be bold and steal it. One Night In Hackney  303  15:27, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Technicaly you have them, they are listed here - this and this. I'll take a look shortly, quite a lot of the hunger strike can be copied straight across, with minor amendments to make it article specific and ensure the references are in full and not just page numbers of books that aren't cited in full in his article.  One Night In Hackney  303  15:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem, been there, done that. Hope you get it sorted out. One Night In Hackney  303  16:09, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
At least some people can see the truth for what it really is. This'll be my last edit on here, get hold of me at blackdevil at fastmail dot co dot uk Note to trolls, that's just a throwaway email address anyway, so don't waste your time. Class war not race war. One Night In Hackney 303  16:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)