User talk:Theonomad

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Elizabeth Quincy-Smith moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Elizabeth Quincy-Smith, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Captain Calm (talk) 15:28, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Please don't copy material from Wikia or Fandom
Hello, I am Diannaa and I am a Wikipedia administrator. The material you've been adding was copied from this article at Fandom. The website is compatibly licensed, but it's a wiki, which means it is user-generated content, and cannot be considered a reliable source. The one source that's included in your addition is this one, which is the source of the two quotations in the passage, but does not even mention the Hull Mint, drawing and quartering, or any of the other content in your addition. Please stop adding it.— Diannaa (talk) 12:31, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Diannaa - have never heard of those sites. Charles 1 was beheaded giving rise to Charles II. Hull Mint is factual. Being the boss doesnt mean drawing and quartering never happened. It was the punishment for high treason for a very long time. Brutal, but true. Thanks, J.


 * No one is disputing the existence of the mint, or its place in history. (If they were, your contributions to e.g. Massachusetts Bay Colony would have been reverted, and other existing mentions of the mint would be removed.)  The existence of the mint doesn't give you license to make unsourced or poorly sourced contributions to articles with marginal relevance to the subject (like Governor of Massachusetts).  Magic ♪piano 14:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Diannaa - have never heard of those sites. Charles 1 was beheaded giving rise to Charles II. Hull Mint is factual - https://www.littletoncoin.com/shop/Hull-Mint-Plaque-Dedication. Being the boss doesnt mean drawing and quartering never happened. It was the punishment for high treason for a very long time. Brutal, but true. Thanks, J. 14:02 UTC, 17 September 2020

Why not remove the history entirely? A case can be made...


 * I suggest you propose deletion of the article on History then. Make your case there.  Magic ♪piano 14:14, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Nah, thanks. have one hand. typing is not my bag. J

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Plan of Boston showing existing ways and owners on December 25, 1635Creator: Lamb, George,[ca. 1928] Boston Public Library ; Norman B. Leventhal Map Center Landowners--Massachusetts--Boston--Maps Boston (Mass.)--History--Colonial period, ca. 1600-1775--Maps

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WHATEVER DIANNAaaaaa. I DONT CARE THAT MUCH. you do. truth is important to me. its not important to you. enjoy your little fiefdom.

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Map published in 1903 MifterBot. 100 years. plus - i had the map cited. It is creepy the way some you go after correct, factual information. I had a specified source.: CITE Lamb, George.. "Plan of Boston showing existing ways and owners on December 25, 1635." Map. 1903. Norman B. Leventhal Map & Education Center,  https://collections.leventhalmap.org/search/commonwealth:9s1619677 (accessed September 26, 2020). If people are interested, all they to go off wikipedia, and search. Copyright isnt an issue - what is?


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Thanks Magicpiano

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October 2020
Your recent editing history at New England shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you do not violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. — Diannaa (talk) 14:44, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content, as you did at John Alden (sailor), without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:48, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

This is your only warning; if you purposefully and blatantly harass fellow Wikipedian(s) again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. ''You continue to leave insulting messages on my talk page, despite being asked to stop. Again, if you have issues with an edit I have made, leave a message on the article's talk page. STOP LEAVING MESSAGES ON MY TALK PAGE.'' Magnolia677 (talk) 09:55, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Dear Magnolia677, My "talk page" is allowed? Please find the "offensive"copy below. While sorry that your delicate sensibilities were offended at my copy and I apologize profusely, I'm five times as  offended that you are attempting to rewrite history. Captain John Hull (18 December 1624 – 1 October 1683) was the Treasurer and mintmaster of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. It would appear that you doubt Hull the mintmaster existed. Given the mountain of material that proves Hull's existence, I'm asking you, the primary doubter of some kind evidence. As for Alden Jr, the Hull and Alden families were connected. They went to church together. Someone changed my reference here: https://archive.org/details/diaryofsamuelsew01sewaiala/page/361/mode/1up?q=Alden While I haven't read anything about Bartholomew Gosnold and Robert Gorges, I'm reasonably certain they didnt have the impact that Hull did. The History of Massachusetts page has Gosnold and Gorges but not Hull. To the mature mind that's inconceivable. Finally, I type with one hand. As such it takes me a little bit and I'm sure of the information before posting. I ask the general audience where do I go to escalate the issue?

Respectfully, J ______________________________________________________ History of MassachusettsJohn Hull the mintmaster didnt exist so says Magnolia677. I thought that Wikipedia was for children. Now I know its for toddlers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theonomad (talk • contribs) 19:52, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Capt John Aldenhttps://archive.org/details/diaryofsamuelsew01sewaiala/page/361/mode/1up?q=AldenRead the footnote 361-cont 362. Go on. But I wont wait for an apology. Theonomad (talk) 22:29, 17 October 2020 (UTC)@Theonomad: Please stop leaving messages on my talk page. If you have a concern please leave a message on the article's talk page. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:38, 17 October 2020 (UTC) Capt John Alden Theonomad (talk) 23:08, 17 October 2020 (UTC)Note: Hull, Alden, Quincy and Sewall families (primarily) from 1630 to 1730 have my research project for the 20 months. I placed knowledge on Wikipedia for others to view and because history's fun. Guaranteed I've forgotten more than you know about the First and Third Churches in Boston MA three hundred years ago.Oh thats right - youre the one that doubts the existence John Hull, mintmaster, husband to Judith Quincy, father to Hannah, father to Daniel Quincy. Thats ok. But, think about your form of currency next time you make a purchase. Silver coins vs beads and shells.Theonomad (talk) 23:08, 17 October 2020 (UTC)History of Massachusetts Theonomad (talk) 00:03, 18 October 2020 (UTC)I'm unclear. How is it NOT the History of Massachusetts: John Hull, 1st Treasurer Boston MA (mintmaster) d.1683? Hull Mint, 1651-1682, Boston MA? Robert Sanderson, Boston MA? Pine Tree Shilling - struck from 1651-1682 in Boston MAAND Bartholomew Gosnold and Robert Gorges are? Theyre bit players. Plus, 90% of Native Americans weren't killed from disease.Theonomad (talk) 00:03, 18 October 2020 (UTC) Please do not add or change content, as you did at John Alden (sailor), without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:48, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

This is your only warning; if you purposefully and blatantly harass fellow Wikipedian(s) again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. You continue to leave insulting messages on my talk page, despite being asked to stop. Again, if you have issues with an edit I have made, leave a message on the article's talk page. STOP LEAVING MESSAGES ON MY TALK PAGE. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:55, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

November 2020
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Boston, you may be blocked from editing. Please stop adding the same text to so many articles; it hardly relates to the article about Boston. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:18, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
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 * Disruptive editing?  Pardon - most people would say its more informative than what's there now. Way more. The subject is Boston.  John C Hull spent the majority of his working life at the Massachusetts Statehouse in Boston starting in 1915 and finishing in 1937. In Boston. Speaker of the House of Massachusetts. Location? Boston. Ran for Lt Governor of Massachusetts -- in Boston. Securities Director of Massachusetts. Location? Boston.  The Depression was a large deal to much of the world.

Have you ever been to Boston Magnolia677? Theonomad (talk) 01:44, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Stop accusing me of disruptive editing Magnolia677. Since you're the master of this page, what do you intend to do?  Leave a weak and flabby copy with 50 year hole or improve the Boston page?  Either one is fine with me. Theonomad (talk) 18:04, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Elizabeth Quincy Smith


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Your draft article, Draft:Elizabeth Quincy-Smith


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