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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:13, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

ABorba (WMF)
?? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:02, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Bridget
User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow You just reverted my edit on Bridget (Guilty Gear), and saying that my clarifications based on the fact that his gender identity is clearly male in the original Japanese and inconclusive at best in English weren’t “encyclopedic”, and that I should “read the talk page”. I’ve read the talk page, and frankly, the talk page seems to be overwhelmingly in favor of the view that Bridget is not a trans woman by any means, at least not officially, and definitely not in all regions. Can you un-revert my edit? Thanks for your consideration. Yndtbt (talk) 05:10, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I'd recommend reading it again then, and discounting the single-purpose accounts from Twitter/Reddit/4chan — I'm not interested in debating this. You'll need to gain consensus for your proposed changes. — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 05:18, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I read the section you linked to. I’ve seen that the people advocating for Bridget being female are users like User:Bigbossbalrog with redlink profile pages and no civility (lack of evidence, insults, unfounded accusations of being “alt-right”), while the people who argue for Bridget to be continued to be described as male are civil people with actual evidence from the text of the game.


 * I think we shouldn’t ignore the voice of reasonable debate just because we see their IP address instead of their Wikipedia username, especially if the opposition clenches onto the same handful of Points Refuted A Thousand Times (PRATTs) and refuses to engage in civil discussion.


 * So I argue that we have enough of a consensus to say that Bridget is male in light of the lack of countervailing evidence. Yndtbt (talk) 08:31, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey just so you know they went and edited it again without any consent from anyone else.
 * Bridget literally says "I'm a girl". You are ignoring this very basic fact because you want to ignore it.  Brand new account like you comes out of nowhere and makes wild claims about the "real text" because you WANT to interpret it that way and pretend you're from Japan.  You're pathetic. FemaleCorrin (talk) 12:50, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

EdTestCommons02 and INVOLVED
User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow Hi TNT,

I understand where you are coming from, and that you try to separate your position as an employee of the WMF from your position as a volunteer on Wikipedia, but I don't believe it is possible to do to a sufficient extend to avoid WP:INVOLVED issues in this case as the block is related to their work with the WMF as you acknowledged when you said Except these aren't researchers doing research about Wikipedia's content, processes, and the people involved, they're employees of the Foundation who build the software you use and maintain the servers it runs on — NOTLAB therefore doesn't apply.

And even if it was unrelated to their work, you are far to close to them in the organizational structure to be issuing such unblocks without WP:INVOLVED issues; you both work in Test Engineering Support. BilledMammal (talk) 05:11, 4 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I think you have inadvertently described why I can separate my position — a block related to their work was addressed by me in a role which I do not (and can not) have in the course of my job.
 * I'm keen to understand what makes you think I work in test engineering support, as I very much don't... I work as a software engineer on the Community Tech team — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 12:16, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you have inadvertently described why I can separate my position — a block related to their work was addressed by me in a role which I do not (and can not) have in the course of my job. - Can you clarify what you mean by that?
 * Looking again, I believe I misread the list I found; two members of your team are also under Test Engineering Support, but Community Tech itself is not. It's not as bad as I originally thought, but that level of integration still puts you far closer than I would be comfortable considering uninvolved. BilledMammal (talk) 12:51, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * By "a block related to their work was addressed by me in a role which I do not (and can not) have in the course of my job." I was alluding to the fact that I could only ever (un)block an account in the role of a volunteer, which (and this is something we disagree on) means I'll only ever evaluate the situation from the point of view of a volunteer.
 * I certainly appreciate your concern (and honestly do welcome being "called out" on these things, I make mistakes) — I will bear these comments in mind in the future, as this specific action appears to have been mooted by the unblock of all the affected accounts. If they had not yet been unblocked, I would in this case request a second administrator endorse my action. — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 08:16, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

YGM
User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow Isabelle 🏳‍🌈 16:04, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * ack (and yes!), but I'm a little under the weather lately so it may be a while until I reply proper — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 06:26, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Replied — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 08:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * There is no rush! Hope you feel better soon. Isabelle 🏳‍🌈 17:02, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Oversight
Hello.could you please Hide these edits in User talk:Alexf : 17:42, 10 September 2022‎ (by IP adress) and 18:19, 10 September 2022 پخش مطلب (talk) 18:30, 10 September 2022 (UTC)


 * done (in the future, please request oversight via these methods rather than publicly ) — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 19:53, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Important question
Hello, on Elizabeth II's page, you put a current event template? Why though? I'd happy like to know! Bigeshjen (talk) 15:13, 8 September 2022 (UTC)


 * "The Queen is under medical supervision at Balmoral Castle in Scotland, a statement from Buckingham Palace says", per https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-62834633 — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 15:15, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh ok, my bad. Have a nice day and sorry for bothering you lol. Bigeshjen (talk) 15:17, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * No worries! You too — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 15:18, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

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MediaWiki message delivery 22:14, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

WP: AGF
You applied an indefinite block for perceived LT and COI that I then explained as not so. However, you agreed with the flaming of the thread that incited your block? Jasonwalkertyler (talk) 12:16, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The perceived legal threats aside, there remains a concern of a conflict of interest. I do appreciate that you've taken the time to attempt to clarify your position, but as it stands I'm personally not convinced, nor do I believe the community is either. With due respect, the partial block does not prevent you from editing any of our other articles, nor does it prevent you from making edit requests on Talk:Samara Weaving — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 12:24, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I’ve stated that I have no COI. However, you’ve blocked me for accurately performing the COI statement in order to contribute: “2. You can also make a statement in the edit summary of any COI contribution.” So which is it??? Jasonwalkertyler (talk) 12:32, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * So you don't have a COI, yet you declared a COI? — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 12:35, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm confused.😀 -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:59, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @TheresNoTime: Did he also call you an WP:LTA on his talk page? That's a laugh. 🌈WaltCip - (talk)  15:21, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * 😌 — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 23:53, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * RfA in December 2016? Yeah, I guess you are a Long Term Admin. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 02:36, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Aw, thank you! Anything to help 🙂 — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 18:43, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

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Help!
Dear TheresNoTime, how a're you 🥰 I have Requirement on IPBE on enwiki due to My Currently Ip blocked on enwiki , but I have already GIPBE and IPBE on Meta.I also Appeal against IP on Unblock Ticket Request System. My Currently Ip is 198.98.48.0/20. Can you help me about this topic. Thanks Dear. → αѵίɾαʍ7  ([ʆεt'ς tαʆƘ🇮🇳])← 13:48, 8 October 2022 (UTC)


 * done for six months — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 15:24, 8 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Dear TheresNoTime, Thanks a lot. →Face-smile.svg αѵίɾαʍ7  ([ʆεt'ς tαʆƘ🇮🇳])← 15:29, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Heads up
Are you aware of this subpage of your account? Looks like a drive-by piece of vandalism...  Catfish  Jim <small style="COLOR:#313F33"> and the soapdish  14:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hah, I hadn't noticed that… charming yet unoriginal, 4/10 — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 15:04, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
I know how you're feeling with recent events. We're in this together.

Liliana UwU (talk / contribs) 09:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC) <br style="clear: both;"/>


 * I guess we'll see after ArbCom finishes chewing me out — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 09:46, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

I regret

 * making my queerness known on Wikipedia — it makes me a target of ongoing harassment and abuse, not just from trolls but from those who would wish to use my queerness to suggest I am involved in all things surrounding queerness.
 * trying to stand up for harassed editors — taking a hard stance on harassment apparently means I am too emotionally involved. Empathising with their hurt, to some, appears to equate to an inability to act impartially.
 * making tough admin actions — they're so easy to be framed negatively, even if I've never taken an action in anything other than good faith.
 * not just shutting up and creating content — that is what we're here to do, though I always took an ancillary role in supporting those who created, and protecting the content already in existence.

It's likely this is where I stop, down tools and instead have to defer any queer-coded disputes "to the cis", but it's at that point we begin to lose our voice and be oppressed. My last regret is not having the strength to stand up to bigots in high places. I'm sorry I let you down. — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 10:32, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm so sorry you feel like this, but I understand your hurt. As an aging, straight male, I've supported LGBTQ+ for as long as I can remember and on occasions I've taken flak for it - even my being desysoped was based partly on contrived claims of misogyny which could not be further from the truth. I'm still around though. You don't realise how important you are to this project, please stay around. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:00, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I am sad with you, but hope you will return to standing strong. A friend died, and her song was "Non, je ne regrette rien". Look. - If I let you down anywhere, please let me know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:16, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The only people who are in a position to let me down at the moment are deliberating behind closed doors. — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 11:27, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know if there is anything I can say to cheer you up, but I sure can try. It was not by chance that I asked you to be one my nominator, throughout the time I've been here you've inspired me to be a better editor, and one who is proud of their identity. My RfA has been a true roller coaster, to say the least, and it was yours and words that kept me calm and steady. When sit hit the fan I wanted to throw the towel, but then I saw how you and the community rallied in name of queer people and thought it wouldn't be fair to you. I guess what I want to say is that you definitely did not let me down, and I hope you will stay to help me show the ropes, cause I sure as heck will need it if I am to become an admin as half as good as you. Isabelle Belato 🏴‍☠️ 18:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Don't ever regret coming out. It took me decades before I realised I was a bi-curious demisexual (I think that's the right term) and that occasionally finding men attractive, but not really being gay or bisexual per se, is just part of how my brain is wired. We need more people to stand up and say "This is who I am" and if people can't deal with it, that's their problem and not yours. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:38, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Here to echo @Ritchie333. You need to be who you are. It's not your fault that folks can't handle it, or handle it v. poorly. The reblock was absolutely correct, and the fact that this is still kicking around in circles is what's a dissapointment. You have done everything right-here and in our other interactions. I hope you don't leave, but I understand the need to take care of yourself first. Star   Mississippi  20:18, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello TNT. I certainly understand your feelings and want to thank you for sharing them. I also have to say that I think they are what make you special as an editor, an admin, a Wikipedian and (most of all) as a person. No matter what happens please know they are strengths and will serve you well throughout your life. Best regards. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 14:03, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Nothing but love and appreciation for TNT, Isabelle and all other editors/admins who make Wikipedia a better and more complete Wikipedia with their out and proud identities. The transphobes and other bigots can fuck off. That RfA was a shit show but the consensus of the community was on right side of history for a change.  ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:53, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * As a new and queer Wikipedia editor, it is thanks to interacting with people like you that I've stayed long enough to become a productive member of the community. I hope there is a way for you to continue engaging with community discussions you care about the same way you have in the past. Your existence in this space is a net benefit. Hope the weekend has allowed you to rest from all the noise and that you've noticed how graceful the clouds move this time of year. — Ixtal ( T / C ) &#8258; Non nobis solum. 18:25, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


 * You've weakened the bigots hard by your contributions to Wikipedia and you should be grateful for your courage. Without it, perhaps our community would be less welcoming to queer editors like you. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 14:58, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hang in there, TNT. Take care. Drmies (talk) 02:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

kubernetes cron
Hi. I hope you are doing well. What were ya'll discussing here? It was very discreet. —usernamekiran (talk) 12:25, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The migration of a tool — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 14:18, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * could you help me with migrating my cronjob? pretty please? Also, there is an unrelated matter that I wanted to send you an email about since last few weeks. You don't have to reply to the mail, it is some information that you should know. May I send the email? —usernamekiran (talk) 15:23, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Please feel free to email — as to migrating, I just followed the guide in the phab task. Happy to help though — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 15:25, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. But in what language your tool was created? (kindly ping while replying) —usernamekiran (talk) 15:48, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Usernamekiran: I have a wide range of tools in multiple languages, though most are either PHP or Python. The migration primarily affected my Python tools. — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 15:54, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * one email sent. —usernamekiran (talk) 16:13, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi. Did you get the email? —usernamekiran (talk) 12:09, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey, yes I did thank you — I'll reply shortly (my time is a little stretched lately!) — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 13:22, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Dear TheresNoTime, You're a best admin on enwiki and best Steward on Meta ; You always take perfect decision, I always support you're work and contribution, that's great. kind Regards

→<abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"> αѵίɾαʍ7  ([ʆεt'ς tαʆƘ🇮🇳])← 17:03, 19 October 2022 (UTC) <br style="clear: both;"

is this you? The ticket is unverified, so best to ask. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:01, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Yup, I left a note at the bottom of the request in the admin comments bit? — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 16:04, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * thanks -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:31, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

LGB Alliance
Would you mind having a look at this article again please? After your edit protection expired, it’s all kicking off again. Equine-man (talk) 20:48, 21 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Yeah I noticed.. I'm refraining from touching the topic area currently, sorry. I'd recommend requesting protection at WP:RFPP or seeking alternative dispute resolution — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 20:51, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Understood, sensitive topic. Thanks for advice. Equine-man (talk) 20:53, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * On a personal note, please don’t regret your choices to “out” yourself here. You are a wonderful person. I’m a middle aged straight guy, so I’m still “learning”. Equine-man (talk) 21:03, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

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MediaWiki message delivery 21:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Unilateral actions by Arbs
I came across the current thread at AN by coincidence. Since being divested of any use I may have been in any of Wikipedia's back rooms, processes, and content quality control, I rarely venture into governance areas. I think ’s explanation makes sense. You have nevertheless quite rightly opened a can of worms and I’ll continue on a slightly off-topic tone because it needs to be said:

The Arbitration Committee needs more than just a pulse check. In some ways, some its various compositions have been perceived as having become such a law unto themselves that it needs a sanity check. Many of the holders of advanced rights and most of the members of Arbcom think they are doing the right thing. Although flat hierarchies have been all the rage in socio-political movements since 1968, it’s quite surprising however, just how much the governance of Wikipedia by its ANI and its Arbcom has actually become almost dystopian - a kind of mix of Lord of the Flies and Animal Farm with a bit of 1984 thrown in.

There are some nice people on the Committee, but there have sometimes been some catastrophically inept or unpleasant ones. The latter have generally been the power seekers. As soon as an editor has been elected to Arbcom, they have automatically put themselves one step outside the ‘community’. Today’s Arbcom has become one huge bureaucracy. It probably does a good job of shifting the junk, but as a governing body its concept has possibly outlived its usefulness and it should probably be replaced by something completely different. The question is, what? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:55, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Your username is right
There's no time for editors who literally come to your talk page to belittle you, but then go to AN over a valid reaction to an insulting and nasty remark. I've looked up to you as an editor for months, you're beyond valued. Don't interact with that thread, not worth your time whatsoever. ♥ — VersaceSpace  🌃 23:18, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

You are valued
Regardless of any ArbCom decisions, attacks from other editors who really should know better, and all the other bullshit, you are valued. Don't ever forget that. You've done so much to keep Wikipedia a healthy place for editors to build an encyclopedia. And I'm far from the only one who thinks so. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 16:48, 29 October 2022 (UTC)


 * –– FormalDude  (talk)  16:52, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This wholeheartedly - you are a great admin, and you shouldn't let these random attacks get you down.  Rema goxer  (talk) 16:55, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Appreciate it y'all — the attacks are boring and low-effort, but they get me down quite a bit.. I know I can't let them win though — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 17:26, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear it's getting you down. I decided to paint you a little bird to compensate with some positivity. I just wish we could give all parties in a dispute hot chocolates when things get heated, which they would have to enjoy before commenting again. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 14:13, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposed decision posted for Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block
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 * I got your email, thank you — it may be worth finding someone else who can take a look, as I'm preoccupied with the above. Sorry — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 17:53, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the reply. <b style="color:#034503">MB</b> 20:48, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

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TNT, I have something to say to you concerning everything that has happened from discussions on arbcom to AN and everything in between. You are an extremely invaluable part of this encyclopedia community but even more so as a member of the human community. No matter what tries to bring you down, always remember that your value is not based on what happens here. It is measured by the experiences you have, the emotions you emit, the colors you reveal along the way, the Song you sing, and all of it is stunningly beautiful. I appreciate you. -- A Rose Wolf  19:00, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2022).

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:23, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

A favor
Would you consider just leaving WP for a day or two, and then, if you still feel like resigning the admin bit, do it then? Resigning the bit harms the project, not the people who disappointed you. I mean, obviously do what is best for you, but maybe give yourself a little time to see if your perspective changes? Floquenbeam (talk) 12:26, 1 November 2022 (UTC)


 * As usual, Floq says what I was thinking better than I ever could. Listen to them, please. firefly  ( t · c ) 12:27, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I can't say I read arb cases and don't know the background, but being hasty doesn't help anyone. Do what you need to do, but if you ever want to have a chat, you have my ear.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:38, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I wish you all the best in your future endeavors. <span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x Deadbeef →∞ (talk to me) 13:32, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
And a sunflower, to be present in rainy days. I wish you all the best.

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So long my friend
I saw your desysop request on the Bureaucrat's noticeboard and it surprised me. Apparently it's something relating to arbcom. And then I see your userpage which seems to state that you are leaving. I do not wish to know any details as I do not want this drama to be on my mind throughout the rest of the day, influencing my work elsewhere. However I do want to say this: Thank you for all that you've done. You and so many other admins have helped guide me on the right path after my rough start here on Wikipedia. Without you guys, I highly doubt I would be where I am today. You guys don't always seem to get the appreciation that you deserve, however you still deserve it regardless. So long TNT, and stay foxy, much love. (yes I did steal that from a Youtuber but it works here perfectly well) ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 13:44, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Headers are difficult
You are a disgrace to the project and deserve this humiliation. I am glad that Athaenara's sacrifice led to something good. 2409:4071:4E13:9BC2:0:0:43C8:B912 (talk) 13:49, 1 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you, though please do log in next time — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 13:52, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for everything
Hey TNT, I'm sorry to see that you've resigned but I understand why. You were a fantastic administrator and I, as well as many others I'm sure, learned a lot from you. Thank you for everything that you've done. You seem like a great person and I hope life treats you well. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:00, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh no :(
Hey TNT, I have just seen your admins' rights being revoked, and seeing your message on your user page. I'm sorry you had to go; you were a truly amazing editor and admininistrator. Sometimes, you were influencial in helping others to help them how to edit and helped the Wikipedia community very much here. I am sorry that you have to go; I wish you luck in your bright future. Sarrail (talk) 14:16, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Cheers to you my carefree friend.
TNT, Theres always time for friendships, and I want to absolutely thank you for your service on Wikipedia, You have been extremely friendly, to me, to other editors, and to the discord server. You have assisted me in understanding and learning wikipedia editing and for that i am ever grateful. I do hope to see you return to WP or at least at all again sometime. Mistakes happen, if they didnt the world would be extremely and drastically different than what it is now. I do wish you the best of luck in any and all future endeavors. You are in my heart, dont forget that. Goodnight. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 14:26, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Ableist Tropes
"See above. I know no one is asking me to explain how calling someone who has publicly disclosed a condition which can cause actual delusions "delusional" is ableist" is something you put on WP:AN. I'm trying to figure out how someone is to know you have a publically disclosed condition. My sense was that you were just baiting him, but looking at your history that doesn't seem likely. But A) I don't think most people research people they are discussing things with and B) I'm not clear how such research would have found anything as a 2 minute search by me on your pages didn't turn up anything. I'm just frustrated because I regard Spartaz as an "honorable opponent"--someone I rarely agree with but greatly respect. I know him well enough in our years here that I'd expect him to treat your comments as though you were calling him a bigot--which isn't an unreasonable reading of what you said IMO. Ah well, I don't think this is recoverable at this point as I think it unlikely you'd apologize for it. But it is really frustrating. Thanks for listening. Hobit (talk) 16:17, 30 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I feel your question has already been answered in the discussion. Spartaz doesn't have to be aware of the publicly disclosed condition for their comment to be insulting. TNT seemingly mentioned that in order to justify their offense. An ableist trope made unknowingly is still an ableist trope. –– FormalDude  (talk)  16:31, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Two things. #1 I'm comfortable saying most people wouldn't recognize " if you think no one else viewing these edits isn't thinking the same then you are truly deluded" as ableist.  I work in an environment where I need to be very careful with language that others would consider bigoted and I wouldn't have recognized it as such (though I will henceforth).  Web searches on the issue seem to indicate that many people are surprised by such a categorization. That said, once informed that someone finds it offensive, it is only proper not to use that language. But #2, it was the statement "calling someone who has publicly disclosed a condition" that I'm responding to.  My reading of that is that Spartaz was expected to be aware of this publicly disclosed condition--otherwise I don't see how it was relevant.  In general when I find language offensive, I just tell people I do find it that way and ask that they not use the language again.  I only take offense the first time if the language is clearly intended to insult.  So taking it as an intentional ableist trope seems inappropriate unless there is some context (such as a prior correction or that Spartaz being aware of the condition).  Do you feel I've got something wrong here? Hobit (talk) 16:43, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do, but I'll take it to your talk page as I doubt TNT is interested in hosting this. –– FormalDude  (talk)  16:55, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, and I've responded there. But I do hope to get a response from TNT also. Hobit (talk) 17:22, 30 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The worst of this discussion and at ANI is the people who just can't give it a rest. What's the point in baiting TheresNoTime? I was baited to the point I snapped and I got desysoped for it by the very arb that started the baiting. I wouldn't want that to happen to TNT. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:09, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I wanted to thank TNT for their apology to Spartaz. Hobit (talk) 23:08, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

User page
Hi TNT. I'm sorry to see you go, and I really hate to pile more on your shoulders right now, but could you please consider revising the statement that is currently on your talk user page? People generally get a lot of slack when it comes to criticising ArbCom as whole, but I think accusing specific arbs of misconduct, with diffs, takes you into bright-line WP:POLEMIC territory. Can you say what you want to say without singling out individuals? –&#8239;Joe (talk) 14:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)


 * No I don't think I can, sorry... I guess AN/I is thataway — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 14:08, 1 November 2022 (UTC)


 * You know,, I think Arbcom deserves all the criticism it gets especially when it comes from hardworking and highly respected members of the community. I am greatly saddened by the turmoil the Committee has caused - again. Despite my own feelings about Arbcom, I have always believed that the Committee's remit - on paper at least - was to be fair, defuse, and encourage, rather than going out of its way to seek the most contentious 'solutions' within its powers and punish people. Now we've lost another valuable member of our community and in the end effect, the Committee does just as much to harm Wikipedia as any of the issues it tries in its amateurish way to resolve. I never criticised individual Arbcom members although I most certainly and justifiably could have done, but those who are mean spirited know precisely who they are. TNT's valedictory is no worse than any of the others by admins who have felt they were unfairly treated or excessively punished for just doing their job. Arbcom committees and other users just love rubbing salt into wounds and causing character assassinations. As I said already on this issue, it's time to give it a rest. It's time to give TNT a warm hug and thank her for everything she's done for Wikipedia and wish her well - she's worth more than ten of people like you and me. It's time to disband Arbcom and its total mess of ridiculous bureaucracy. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:09, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia will be a poorer place without you
I've said before that the wiki, and especially ArbCom, has a massive problem with how transphobia has been institutionalised (going back to at least El Sandifer being blocked under rather spurious circumstances). The circumstances of the Athaenara block seems to be a re-run of the whole Bedford controversy fifteen years ago (half a lifetime to me!), and, by the way, thank you for excising that cancer a few months ago.

Honestly, the block was completely justified, as there is no excuse for an admin making those sorts of comments about other editors (over a long period of time), and you were completely justified in suspecting possible Loudres' account may have been compromised (either socially or technologically). Should you yourself have done it? Probably not, and it's a testament to your maturity that you were willing to accept that.

But, whenever I've seen your ship pass mine in the night on the encyclopedia, you've always seemed to be a level-headed individual, and most importantly, one whose level head remains firmly in the real world, which can't be said for a lot of seasoned editors.

I understand wanting a break, and I understand not wanting to come back, but don't let it be on their terms. To quote the great literary hero Samwise Gamgee (by way of Peter Jackson), "a new day will come, and when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer". Until then, take care of yourself. Sceptre (talk) 15:37, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I am sorry to see you go, old friend
Like those above, I, too, am sad to see you leave enwiki. You were the reason that I filed to became an administrator and were a tremendous help to me over these past 5 years. You'll be sorely missed by many and your contributions are greatly appreciated. You know how to reach me; please keep in touch. I wish you the best with your future endeavours. The SandDoctor Talk 15:40, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Sending my thoughts
Hello, TheresNoTime. The last time we had some meaningful interaction was on 2 March. That day, you taught me a powerful lesson: don't overreact to the situation. We all f—- up. Throughout your tenure as an administrator you saw too many, and always dealt with these in a level-headed, composed, and knowledgeable manner.

I owe a personal debt to you. You were the one that taught me so many things, and for so many months I have looked up to you in a positive manner.

Seeing how ArbCom has wronged you to the point where you leave, it leaves a hole in Wikipedia that will never be closed. ArbCom's policies definitely need a rewrite, not targeting their members.

If we meet again, be our guest. But if you decide to go and never return, I can only say I wish you the best in your future endeavors, and hopefully the stress of Wikipedia will be ridded and life becomes a little bit better.

Fare thee well, and thank you, TheresNoTime. I hope you come back someday. 🙏 — 3PPYB6 (T / C / L) — 17:45, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Sad to see you go
I just heard about the ArbCom case, and I'm sad to see you go. You were a great support as an admin and showed patience in dealing with the WPTC shenanigans over the time that I've known you. Also, I apologize about emailing you during this time. I didn't know all this was going on.

Thank you. TornadoLGS (talk) 01:52, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

I guess this is bye for now
Hi TNT. I know you may or may not see this, but I wanted to say thanks for your edits to Wikipedia. You were very approachable, fun to talk to, yet had the interests of Wikipedia in the back of your head. I remember the fun chats we had on Discord and how you settled on some number of foxes in a trenchcoat before you left. 🦊

You are always welcome back here whenever. I remember sometimes there are times when I would need to take a step back from Wikipedia. I heard about the ArbCom case and yeah they came to a consensus to remove your checkuser and suppression perms. They never came to an agreement to desysop you, but then you resigned just a few hours ago.

Thanks so much for all the time and contributions that you put in on Wikipedia. I hope that you continue to have a wonderful time, be it on or off Wikipedia. Please continue your amazing work wherever you might, and please know that Wikipedia will welcome you back in the future. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 03:45, 2 November 2022 (UTC)