User talk:Theresa knott/archive18

Clueless
i made the still trill christian page and it was deleted because of no notirary what exactly does that mean what do i need to do to have it not be deleted
 * I'm also curious to know what "no notirary" means. One of wikipedia's many contributions is the number of non-existent words contributed by editors. :) Baseball Bugs 10:18, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

template
I am more then happy to remove it, if you ask obviously MONGO to remove his. Fair is fair obviously. I am not expected to be treated any better then any other editor, no any worse. --SevenOfDiamonds 10:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!
Theresa knott, thank you for appreciating the article on Daniel Z. Freedman. RS2007 11:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

ANI board comment
Re: your response to Danko on the ANI board here. Shouldn't Mathsci's personal info be removed, a cursory look at his talk page indicates he wishes to remain anonymous. Websites that publish personal info are considered attack sites by Arbcom. This doesn't look like it should be allowed. Just thought you might want to take another look at it. If I'm wrong in my thinking let me know, I'll add your page to my watchlist for a day or two. thanks, R. Baley 10:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't notice the personal info. I've removed it. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 10:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

12 reverts in half hour
Madam, More than half a dozen reverts on two articles in about 10 minutes by user:Manu rocks to remove tempaltes from his pov articles. As I am reverteing vandalism i am not responsble for 3 revert rules. pls see

How?
How do you deal with the vandalism? I've only dealt with about 10 vandals today and my head already hurts. *sigh* Thanks for the deletion of those pages though.Silver seren 22:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't get emotionally involved. I only deal with vandalism when I am bored and with nothing better to do and a view it a bit like housework. It's something that has to be done, and it'll have to be done tomorrow too. My head never hurts, and if you keep it up for any length of time you will learn that it's no big deal really. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 22:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I really hope so. But considering I just became an RC patroller a few days ago, my unability to deal with it is understandable...I guess. Well...back to reversion. ^_^Silver seren 22:59, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

how to stop unscrupulous people from posting false information on talk page?
in one article, some unscupulous people are posting some false information, with sole intent to defame the person regarding the article is about. how can we stop such vandalism?


 * What is the name of the talk page in question? Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:38, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

talk pages in question are prabir ghosh, rationalist movement sukanta das had falsely claimed that prabir ghosh is not the gen. sec. of science and rationalist association of india. in regards to that i have uploaded the certified copy of registrar proving sukanta's claim is bogus. few days back he also deleted the name of prabir ghosh from notable rationalist list. talk pages in question are prabir ghosh, rationalist movement --Rationalistdebasis 00:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

If you have references that prove you are correct, just put the nifo back into the article along with a likn to the reference. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 02:18, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

thank you theresa knott for your suggestion. i have already uploaded the info along with certified copy of court in the talk page. now wat else u suggest me to do to stop such vandalism? regards. --Rationalistdebasis 13:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

actually,
There have been numerous occasions where, even just as an editor, i've gone and left notes regarding smaller things there, where I've gone and helped out at pages, where I've doen the work of providing longersummaries of issues with diffs and so on. and would be two diffs of one case where I helped defuse a situation. ,, and  is another.

I'm upset because lately, I've noticed an incredible uptick in the number of AN/I cases where experienced editors are doing dumb stuff, and the Admins are coddling them, letting them escalate things and then saying 'well the other guy started it, so it's all their fault', which is NOT how things are handled in the real world. In the real world, both peopel throwing punches get hauled to jail, thrown out of the bar, or given detention, or whatever.

As to the specific case, it's been suggested multiple times that the rollback tools might be needed, because the user is NOT using summaries, and is interspersing their work with legit, non-Tecmo related edits. Further, and admin still needs to give a decision about the propriety of the behavior, which has NOT been done. lots of editors and admins said, oooh, that's bad, but he kept doing it. No one has said for him to flat out stop doing it yet. That needs to happen, there needs to be a decision made to hold the editor to. Regular editors cannot make that statement and expect it to hold water. An admin has to, and none has yet.

Finally, even in the last few days, I've done more to contribute to AN/I, finding diffs that support actions against others. I don't look at AN/I only to fidn easy things to help with, and I don't look jsut to support the Admins. I do it because Admins SHOULD have interested users watching the page, and watching how decisions are (or aren't) being made. Accountability, if you will. But I do get involved, I have resolved AN/I's in the past, and will continue to do so. I'm just frustrated beyond normal levels by the abilities of MONGO to continually escalate things, Merkey to get away with his actions, and so on. There are repeat offenders who show up al lthe time there, and really ought to be banned from editing here. They aren't. And no one can really explain why. To imply I don't help isn't the case. review my actions in exactly the way you mention, you'll see me contributing just fine at AN/I. In fact, last link shows that I actually overall support the process. It's when the process fails I get tired of it. ThuranX 05:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * (I took the liberty of moving your text above into short paragraphs to make it easier to read and to reply to).Taking your initial and final points last. I never said, or ment to reply that you do not do outstanding work on the AN/I. You very clearly do, and I have no concerns with non admins commenting on the page, or with non admins reviewing admin actions.I'm just saying that in the past few days you have made quite a number of unhelpful comments.


 * Second point. It is clear that you are upset about a number of things but whinging about them will achieve nothing, and will in fact be counterproductive as it gets people's backs up. In the real world people do get thrown in prison, but only by a judge not a passing policeman.If you think experienced users need stronger measures to deal with them than admins are willing to dish out then you have to go through our dispute resolution process. This process ends up with the arbcom who do act like a panel of judges and do have the power to ban people.


 * Finally, in this, specific case. You do not understand how rollback works. We are not allowed to rollback edits except in the case of vandalism. (yes you do see some admins use rollback in edit wars, and yes the are abusing the rollback function when they do so). We cannot use rollback on his good edits just because he didn't use a summary. That would be admin abuse.  He has stopped doing it, so that part of the dispute has been resolved. All that remains is or someone to carefully check all his recent edits. That is a very time consuming job that requires knowledge of the topics concerned. You have made it clear that you are not willing to do it. So please do not demand that an admin does it.Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 10:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Amazingly, another admin posted a similar, short simple answer on the thread. It probably took just a couple minutes to do, if that. If an admin had said what he said days ago, tagged the issue as resolved, and let it cycle out, it would've been much easier than repeatedly requesting an end to the stupid thing. Regardless of whether or not the user's actions can be fixed so easily, at least some sort of resolution would've been there. Next time, consider just answering the questions.
 * Finally, as to my 'unhelpful coments', if someone would just treat MONGO like any other user, and block him when he contributes to the problems that he's a part of, like any other user who escalates situations just to bring out the worst in others, then I wouldn't be left with the opinion that he's nothing but a troll with admin protectors. but that's not going to get resolved here, and I know where you stand on that issue, so I'll just keep voicing opposition to him getting away with it. Eventually he'll get what he deserves, I'm sure. ThuranX 12:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If you moan in the way you have been doinmg so, chances are people will view you as disruptive. As I explained before. If you want action, you have to act.I have a nice quote on a card given to me by one of my pupils by Neslon Mandela it's "''be the change you want to see in the world". Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 16:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Sandpit
Hi. The user continued vandalising, so I blocked them, and have therefore unprotected Sandpit. Hope this is OK with you. Cheers TigerShark 12:08, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course, no problem. I only protected it for an hour anyway. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn

Ispy1981
Hi, Theresa. I am the real Ispy1981. I'd like to request a checkuser on the Ispy1981 that posted earlier today. This is an anon vandal with a grudge, who needs to be blocked completely, who has hacked into my account. If a check user is performed on this user as well as on my earlier contribs (which are still fresh enough to be used), you'll see I'm not kidding. Thanks.--75.32.146.37 14:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't have check user.But i'd suggest simply starting a new account ifthat's true. If you are fibbing, then please play somewhere else. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 14:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Theresa, I assure you, I'm not playing games. Check the history of my talk page, if you can, before today and by my, I mean Ispy1981. If I do create a new account, or use this one, what's to stop him from hacking into it again? I don't want to leave Wikipedia. I believe in Wikipedia, and I think my over 2000 edits as Ispy can attest to that. Also, check 69.132.198.186. The account I'm on now is an account I created mostly for public computers, but has been created long before this, when I had problems logging into my account before, due to snafus with changes I made to my monobook.--Royameht 14:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * In that case you will need to contact a developer who should be able to check the logs and see that the password on the Ispy1981 was changed earlier today. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 14:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * How do I do that? Just click "Contact Us"?--Royameht 15:06, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Just like to point out, an editor with as much time on Wikipedia as I have and yet "He" doesn't know how to use email on Wikipedia?

Ispy1981 15:18, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * And you don't know how to install a user script even though you have done it before. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 15:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

A bit off-topic: finding when passwords changed - like this - is not a typical sysop privilege, is it? Just curious since it would probably be useful to have in some situations (like this one). —Wknight94 (talk) 15:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * No it's not. (and it would be useful at times) We'll need to involve a developer soon, but I'm in contact with both "Seths" by email and hope to get some more info before approaching one. It's a weired one, not at all obvious. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 15:41, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I figured. Just wondering if it was something I had in my arsenal and didn't even know it!  Thanks.  —Wknight94 (talk) 15:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Anagram games
I like your recent talkpage name/sig change - I worked up an alternative you may consider for the future; "Stoke the Rant" ! ;~D LessHeard vanU 10:34, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! I like that one very much. Theresa Knott | The otter sank
 * I have also been enjoying watching the anagrams, and if this hasn't been used before: the star token or the rats token.Natalie 18:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I worry about the otter. Why did it sink? Is it okay? Tom Harrison Talk 17:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's no good parents never taught it to swim. The low lifes! Theresa Knott | The otter sank 17:37, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I was worried about the otter too. Seems unlikely somehow for an otter to sink... I offer these: Token hatters, Thetas Trek On, Hate Trek Tons (not so good, you'll get hostility from Trekkies), Take then sort, Ante the Stork, Harken to test, To Ankh Street (directions? No idea). KillerChihuahua?!? 18:13, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Adding, if you're fond of the otter, 'Then ask otter' might work. If you're fond of things sinking, tortes can sink also. Although one might prefer a torte light enough to not sink. *inno* KillerChihuahua?!? 18:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will use some of those. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm terribly sorry...
But after seeing your comments around, I must now ask. For curiousity is now overcoming me. Taste the korn, The otter sank?

Thanks in advance, Navou 21:30, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

They are anagrams of my name. More fun than just "talk". Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I like that, perhaps I'll try it. The only one I could find for myself was "Ova Nu" but I found another one for you, if you like... "A Tethers knot" and "Than seek rott" Have fun, Navou 23:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't forget the lamest possible "anagram": There's a Knott. (Spoken whenever you or a relative makes an appearance someplace). Baseball Bugs 00:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Smile.You deserve a lame barnstar for that one. But there isn't one to give. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, someone gave me half a one recently. Maybe just a single arm of that rusty starfish would be fitting. :) Baseball Bugs 18:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It brought a tear to my throat and lump to my eye. :) Baseball Bugs 19:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Instead of rusty iron like the Barnstar, the "Lame Award" could be cast in "Lamé". Baseball Bugs 19:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Oldwindy
You had said in the ANI thread you were going to make the request at Meta for desysopping. Has that been done? The user list shows as an Admin at this timestamp. GRBerry 22:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes the request has been made here. No steward has looked at the page yet though. There is no particular urgency. I'm sure it will be done soon enough. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

harassment
I'm talking about his intimidating and threatening languge. Whatever you call it, I believe if you make comments such as calling someone "godamn stubborn"hereand calling my discussion "mini shit storms"here does constitue an insult/insulting language, if its okay to talk to people like this, please tell me, but otherwise he should be blocked.


 * I'm sorry,although it is rude, it's not threatening. Yoy need a reasonably thick skin to edit Wikipedia. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 04:49, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

your ever-changing sigs
"The otter sank"?! How many of these do you have? :-) —Steve Summit (talk) 03:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well as you can see from this page, people keep giving me new ones! (for whoch I am always grateful). I am fortunate to have a name that lens itself to so many. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 04:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Oy vey
Now I feel stupid it took me a year to get your signature. Anyway here is a couple more Sake Then Trot(works if you prounce it like Sake) Skater Tent Ho.  Whispe ring  11:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

An/I
Sorry for the repeated replies :) I'm feeling a little light-headed from lack of sleep and seem to be playing the devil's advocate today. Regards, — M o e   ε  17:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:ANI
Happy holiday! Since I let everyone else who'd been involved know, I thought I'd drop you a line anyway even though this will hopefully be wrapped up by then. Miss Mondegreen talk  14:25, July 30 2007 (UTC)

Deleting comments from my user page
Please don't delete comments on my user page. Coumarin 18:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't troll. Will (talk) 12:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, surprise surprise, you're mentioned as part of my cabal on ED. Looks like someone's still holding a grudge. Will (talk) 23:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I've been called worse. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 23:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

reply to User:24.23.21.137
Hi. Sorry for the misleading notice I might have put on Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. My wording was wrong and I have never come across self reverting vandals before, having only been vandal fighting for a few weeks. Thanks.Tbo 157 talk  00:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Laughs! You don't need to apologise! I should have made it clear I was teasing you rather than dissaproving. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 00:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * LOL. I admire your sense of humour. Happy editing.Tbo 157  talk  00:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Speedy delete?
Can you please delete this for me? --BigFishy 01:48, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. It's blatently obvious who you are though. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 01:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

George Bush is pretty cool
George Bush is pretty cool, and I don't know what your problem is, but he's got my vote!

I mean, my dad grew up with him, they went to Yale, and they were in the Skull & Bones club... and they did lines of cocaine...

Anyway, I think it was pretty unfair that you blocked me indefinetley considering I made a lot of constructive edits.

--BigFishy 02:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I blocked the account indefinately. Big difference. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 02:04, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well -- for an unrelated reason -- my static IP is also blocked from making new accounts. So I only have so many old accounts -- which I either forgot about and now have to remember or were blocked for a limited time long ago -- to use. --BigFishy 02:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Static IP yeah right! I'm the Queen of Sheeba Theresa Knott | The otter sank 02:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Blocking ip/ User:Diemacher
I recently blocked Diemacher for a period of 48 hours, however I removed the block so that the user could pursue mediation- the fact is that he claims he is fixing the article in question, Spirit Airlines, to which Sox23 has been adding incorrect info. As such, this is a content dispute, and I would ask that you remove the block so that these users can try dispute resolution. David Fuchs( talk ) 13:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I was aware of that. I read it in the block log. But this edit looks very much like bad faith to me. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 15:44, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Very childish too. Thanks for helping me out Theresa! Sox 23 00:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

The anon 217.43.69.32
Theresa - You need to see the response to your last post to this anon at User talk:217.43.69.32. I have responded myself, but he really, really does not "get it". So far, he is treading lightly over at talk:Herbert Dingle, but his user-talk page post indicates that he still thinks that he has to make it clear that Dingle was right. --EMS | Talk 17:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * What people need to do, is resist the temptation to argue with him over the physics involved and restrict all conversation to discussing the article only. I'll watch for a while, and see what happens. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Help me!
hi i was searching round my local schools in my area and on the wordsley school pages i found evidence of bullying i looked under the history and found it had been protected by you and i would like to ask if you could full protected the wordsley school page due to this bullying i would hope wikipeida dosent praise bullying thanks


 * I protected the article for a further 3 months. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

thanks theresa if you see any vandalism could you block the ip adress of the person becuase it has been going on for ages and it seems to be the same person vandalising everytime

Zeb Text Logo
In regards to the Zebra logo here, User:Measly pawn, I am a member of the Association who has purchased this logo, and all of the rights associated with it. This logo is also free for use as it is an official logo is it not? I believe my mistake in uploading the last one resulted in a blank page, and resulted in the file's warning of being an unfair useage. Please feel free to correct me, as I am not well-versed in terms of the laws governing fair-use photos. Thank you, Measly pawn 20:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I am not a lawyer. But as a far as I am aware, being a member of an association does not give you the right to release its logo under the GFDL. Your best best is to tag it s "fair use" and then put a full fair use rationale on the image page. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

O_O
I didn't know who else to talk to about this. Um...the CVU (Counter-Vandalism Unit) page is gone! I was thinking there was some sort of mistake on someones part?Silver seren 21:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It was deleted by Moreschi

21:58, 9 August 2007 Moreschi (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit" (I don't   think this really does anything anymore, and it certainly encourages a rather paramilitary mindset amongst  vandal reverters. This is unproductive, and the page has also served as a vandal magnet in the past. Either way,  I see no reason for this pi)

I looked over the history of the page and pretty much all recent edits were either vandalism or reverting vandalism. I've been a prominent vandal fighter for many years here and have never so much as looked at that page. What do you need it for? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I suppose people will have to go to WP:Userboxes to get them from now on, huh? Oh well...I was just wondering, especially since i'm a member, and thought it was a mistake or something. Thanks for clarifying.Silver seren 21:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * XP I knew the page could never be deleted for long. And the flood of keep users flood in. I'm happy now. :D And I have the userbox back...just wanted to let you know. *waves* Silver seren 01:37, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Watchtower Sentinel
Could you please unprotect and unblank this user's talk page. He has not vanished, but instead is edit-warring on Hariakhan Baba. IPSOS (talk) 01:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I've reverted his talk page to how it was before he tried to get it deleted and unprotected it.Theresa Knott | The otter sank 12:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * As long as you're dealing with everyone fair and square I have no problem with what you're doing. You are actually a very helpful SysOp. Now that the issue has been settled I can go back to inactivity again. - Watchtower Sentinel 16:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks and thanks for the advice. I try to avoid edit warring. IPSOS (talk) 13:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Harringay Page
Thersa, I noticed you'd deleted the link to the FP blog. Thanks for looking out for the page. Deletion was my first reaction, then I looked at the blog and I thought it had some good stuff on it - detailed crime stats etc. I know blogs are verboten, but I had been inclined to leave this one. What do you think? hjuk 21:10, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The reason I removed the link was because of spam concerns. The user who added it in added to multiple pages and that was there only "contribution" to Wikipedia. Whenever I see this happen I always delete the links. However if you feel the link is useful then go right ahead and add it back in. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi
regarding your comment here this IP has just reverted me again, thats 4 posts 3 of them reverts of my edits .--padraig 21:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Overuse of minor edit flag
I notice that many of your edits involving the flag for Northern Ireland are flagged as minor edits, including quite a few places where this is clearly contentious. This may well be an unintentional consequence of however you typically edit Wikipedia, but in any case can you make sure that this flag is only set where the edit is not controversial? It's probably not intended as such, but it could be construed as a disingenuous attempt to slip edits in undetected. Per Help:Minor edit, "reverting a page is not likely to be considered minor under most circumstances. When the status of a page is disputed, and particularly if an edit war is brewing, then it is better not to mark any edit as minor". Thanks. — ras52 22:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about? I used admin rollback (once) on an IP that was being used to circumvent the 3RR. Admin rollback automatically marks an edit as minor. I also semiprotected the page to stop further sockpuppet abuse. I have absolutely no interest in actually editing the page whatsoever. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Strangely enough, if I were to rewrite that policy entirely, it would still be a Minor edit. Baseball Bugs 22:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * My misunderstanding, but neither your edit summary nor the talk page said why you were reverting 90.240.74.203's edit. As lots of users have been reverting each other all day on that page, presumably because they disagreed with each other, it didn't seem unreasonable to assume you were doing the same, admin or otherwise.  — ras52 23:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Rich Apuzzo Article
Hello,

I am new to Wikipedia, and this is my first article. Could you please give me some constructive feedback to my article Rich Apuzzo? The intention of the article is not to be a fan site, just an informative one. There is a flurry of activity about it lately, and I think much of it is because some people do not like one of the people who have made edits to it and follow him around. Like I said, I am new at this and welcome any advice. Thanks - Angelika 23 00:54, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Just try to ignore that activity and continue to improve the article. I'll read it through and make some edits. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 00:59, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I see you have made some edits. Does that mean we can take that tag off now? Thank you - Angelika 23 01:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No. leave it on for a bit. The page still needs work. Try to change the tone of the article yourself, make it as neutral as you can. Then ask the person who added the tag if their concerns have been addressed. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 01:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Could you please let me know what is wrong with the tone? I tried to be factual and impartial, I did not say he is wonderful or awesome or make any claims like that, and I did not say anything negative about him either. Isn't that pretty neutral? Thank you - Angelika 23 01:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Incivility and editing of talk pages to remove civil warnings
Thank you for your concern, Theresa. I always understood, and Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines seems to back me up on this, that it is considered quite rude to delete civil warnings and discussion from one's own talk pages. Since you feel I've overstepped the bounds on this, I will refrain from attempting to restore the record on the talk page under discussion, despite the recent e-mail from the user in question, which reads (in full): ''"look dipcrap....vandalize my page again and you'll have some serious hell to pay!

I'll wipe you up with the floor, keep it up BOY!!!!!!!"''

I still feel that he is the offender in this matter, not I. -- Orange Mike 01:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Orange Mike, I see that you have responded on Hdayejr's talk page with a nice response. I wish others would follow your example.


 * TPIRFanSteve put something on there that wasn't exactly nice when it seemed like Hdayejr was trying to be civil to him. If people keep goading him, trouble will keep following. I mean, he's banned already, why keep adding fuel to the fire? - Angelika 23 03:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hdayejr has in the past threatened to kill me and compared me to Adolf Hitler. Frankly, I don't give a damn if he decides to randomly be polite to me once in a while. -TPIRFanSteve 04:38, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So why edit his talk page at all? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 07:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

The user here has repeatedly reverted my edits over the past few days for no apparent reason. Based on the IP, it is extremely likely that this person is Hdayejr. -TPIRFanSteve 01:08, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Blocked for 1 month. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 07:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Ipod Tutor page
Theresa, could you please restore page for Ipod Tutor book?

Sorry but it is a blatent advertisment for your book. When the book hits the best seller lists, then we can have an article on it. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 17:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Theresa, this book is historically significant from at least one perspective: it is the first book that has been published which utilizes the iPod in conjunction with flag-point methodology to create a blended learning program. We intended to describe that methodology on the page of the book, and hopefully other educators would be able to utilize it when creating their own blended learning programs. We would hope that you would reconsider, this methodology would have great value in advancing the cause of improving educational pedagogy. Many thanks for your consideration!


 * I wish you every success in promoting your novel teaching technique. However you must understand that Wikipedia is an encylopedia and is therefore always lagging behind and never at the cutting edge. If and when your blended learning method takes off then obviously we can have an article on that. However the book itself would not merit an article unless it is successful. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 17:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a peer-reviewed journal; it is a reference work - a collection of sourced, cited information. If your work is on the cutting edge, this is definitely not the place to be describing it (aside from little issues like conflict of interest). Good luck, Early! -- Orange Mike 17:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you anyway.

Edits to Erin Burnett
Theresa, the situation needs to be taken care of. Information you posted has been provided and User_talk:ICarriere has taken it upon themselves to assume the situation is closed and solved is their favour. Please review.

Sorry for the trouble. statsone 17:56, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I would like to add to the comments of statsone by saying that statsone has only provided links to 'political blogs' which he is clearly a member of. I have reviewed these sources and informed him that a 'political blog' does not meet the qualification of a 'good source' when citing a controversy about of a public person.


 * I reaffirmed that Wikipedia does not create controversies, we document them when they occur. The persistents of statsone, leads me to believe this is more than a simple add to the page. He clearly has an agenda to cause harm to Erin Burnett.


 * I have suggested to statsone, that if the quote, which was clearly a mistake on the part of Erin Burnett, becomes a controversy, then by all means, add it to the page under the controversy section. The only conflict that remains is that statsone has not provided a valid source and continues to add the quote without context to the page. - ICarriere 20:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Theresa, I ask that you review the history of edits to both the article and discussion. Others beside statsone disagree with the censorship by ICarriere. And I wouldn't know who Erin Burnett was if it wasn't for reading about the quote elsewhere which is certainly more noteworthy and better cited than other quotes on her article. Thanks. Aquavit 20:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know what can be seen by an Admin, but I'm pretty sure that the username OptimistBen and statsone are the same people logging in and out to make reverts from multiple IPs using a dial-up connection. The fact that the one time user Aquavit, who previously vandalized the page using 24.131.127.14, now makes a plea for intervention, leads me to believe this too may be the same person if not one of their friends.


 * I too will make a plea to ban these users from Wikipedia if you find they have violated any policies. Thank you. ICarriere 20:50, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Theresa, if ICarriere can make up hypotheses with little to go on may I as well? ICarriere has a couple of typographic edits of Backgammon then it's all edits of NBC commentators in a favorable light. This leads me to believe that she is somehow associated with NBC. The reason that I tried to undo her censorship and then created an account was because I've read so much recently about companies editing wikipedia entries to hide or distort the truth and I assumed that what was happening here as ICarriere was so determined to hide a quote that so many others found relevant. Aquavit 21:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Aquavit, I've re-added my personal information to the user page. Unlike you and your friend statsone, I am not one guy hiding behind multiple usernames. Instead, I'm one guy fighting to prevent slander and bias on Wikipedia.


 * As to my edit history, I have made comments to the Jeep page, edits to the Backgammon page, and I created 2 high quality people pages. One of which, you have attempted to vandalized repeatedly. - ICarriere 23:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Please keep messages to the Erin Burnett talk page. statsone 00:32, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Diamonds
The only admin "objection" so far I see to SevenOfDiamonds being blocked is from El C...and he told me that he hasn't looked at the evidence, just was concerned that there have been lots of allegations of sockpuppetry on Diamonds. Viridae left one comment...nothing about an objection. I have no problem leaving it up, but I understand that arbcom doesn't even deal with that page much if at all, so I'm not sure what more can be done...what is the arbcom case to be about? There are a couple more incidents of stalking, but frankly, I can deal with that for the most part until it gets abusive. Everything else there is about him being a ban evader...should arbcom review that as evidence of ban evasion? I thought that was what the enforcement page was for since there is already an existing case.--MONGO 17:15, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I don't know for sure. If El C hasn't reviewed the evidence then I'm willing to ignore his objections until he does. But as I said on the page myself. I think the evidence is pretty damning but I am not 100% confident. The page has got very long, I'm sure I read that someone had some more evidence, let me go back and look. I will not block unless I am absolutely sure. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 17:22, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * To be absolutely clear...I don't want a block on him unless you or whoever does it is absolutely sure. There will be opposition to the block no matter how certain the decision is. I would ask El C for more feedback as well. If you think it should stay at arbcom enforcement longer to get more opinions, then that is fine as well.--MONGO 17:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar of good humor

 * Thank you! Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't that be an ice cream bar? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 20:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

In response to the sandbox comment
I've also added this to Jimbo's talk page as well:
 * h? It'a a sandbox edit. You know, a sandbox, where people can play! Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, and so is the rest of the internet. Like when Al-Qaeda, or any other terror cell makes serious posts about plots that actually follow through. I did say that I'm not sure what to think of it, but just in case, I have notified the FBI via their counter-terrorism tip submission forum. Socby19 21:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Xia and Yuan
Thanks, but please don't semi-protect my talk page: I run a bot, and do new page and recent changes patrol; so I need to keep my communication lines unambiguously open. Last thing I need is to give the appearance of impropriety!

If that particular vandal pops back up, I'll just play whack-a-mole. I went to ANI so that he would be slapped on the wrists at least once to make it unequivocal that this was disruptive behavior; not in the vain hope that I would never again be vandalized. :-) &mdash; Coren (talk) 15:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Anonymizer
Hello Theresa,

As you know I've been in the midst of a discussion/debate in regard to a certain page on Wikipedia.

If you recall, I pointed out my belief that this same individual is using a proxy for various Sock Puppets. What's worse, the person monitors my contrib page and then adds his comments to conversations that have nothing to do with him * (I have no doubt he will be reading this page shortly).

So in my attempt to understand exactly how the person is doing this, I have done some research into the topic. And I am wondering if Wikipedia is even capable of detecting programs like Anonymizer? I know you can't reveal any trade secrets, but I need some reassurance that my contributions here are not in vain.

I'm very concerned about the idea that a person could use this technique to vandalize the work of others with relative impunity and complete anonymity. - ICarriere 19:51, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes we are capable of detecting anon proxies and we hardblock open proxies when we come across them. However admins in genenral are not able to detect a logged in user's IP address. If you suspect somone is creating sockpuppets your best bet is to ask for a checkuser. This can be done at WP:RFC Theresa Knott | The otter sank 17:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, I can see there has been a lot of action going on since I logged out. But I would like to say that making a mistake and being a sock puppet are two very different things.


 * I made a mistake and won't do it again. I was logged out and made an edit on my IP address. I give a firm rebuttal to the accusations on my talk page here * - ICarriere 21:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining. Stating that it won't happen again is good enough for me. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Blocking
Theresa Knott, on what grounds did you block the 2 accounts?

An request for checkuser has been made and it a very weak one. Please explain as you are essentially accussing me of having sockpuppets. --statsone 18:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I blocked them as obvious sockpuppets of someone. I didn't notice the others, or I would have blocked them all. However let's see what the checkuser request comes up with. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Why obvious? They both contributed to the story and had different style.  Aquavit even said he registered an account  to participate.  It looks like ICarriere is having his way when there is a discussion gong on.  He has made a request for checkuser and seem he knows he will not like the results so he is bringing up the possibility of an Anonymizer  with no proof whatsoever.  I do not know the two individuals you blocked nor did I communicate with them through email.  Please review your actions and the actions of ICarriere|ICarriere . --statsone 18:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, on reflection, I'm not 100% sure on Aquavit, and will unblock. But the other one is dead obvious. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:46, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * How can "You Idiot Kid" (that's the blocked one?) be obvious if you haven't even linked her with someone? As I said in Talk:Erin_Burnett, the insouciance with which you block accounts (IP evidence -- are the IPs the same?) is disturbing. OptimistBen 19:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't need to link her with someone so she she is clearly someone's sock. If I link her with someone I'll block them too for disruption, but I can block her right now. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Click here to find out m


 * UPDATE: Make sure to check out this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:67.185.221.175&redirect=no


 * Vsmith, an admin, caught ICarriere congratulating his sockpuppet account.


 * Again, I'm honestly curious: how do you know that she's a sockpuppet? From my perspective it seems that in order to know of a sockpupppet one has to link it with someone, otherwise it's just a new account. It can't be based on your "intuition". Where do I appeal your decision? Vsmith and David Levy are two other admins covering the Erin Burnett article -- should I ask them? OptimistBen 19:15, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Why would you want to appeal against my decision? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:17, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * BTW I'm keeping a close eye on ICarriere. He clearly tried to sockpuppet there. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Because you seem (right now) unwilling to let me in on how this system works, and I'm wary of any abuse of power and feel that all of it should be watched closely and recorded (for example, ICarriere now has a definitive record of at least one case of vandalism -- deleting my Talk comments -- and one case of sockpuppetry -- does this go down anywhere under her permanent record?). I feel obligated to defend anyone who is potentially being treated wrongly, and I hope that others would do the same for me. OptimistBen 19:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well as I explained already. I'm suspicious of you. So I will not explain how I know as per WP:BEANS. All I will say is that I've seen sockpuppeting before and know it when I see it. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:26, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If you explained that you were suspicious of me before, then I missed it. Regardless, your suspicion is unfounded and it seems to me that you're backing away from evidence because you have none. I originally edited the Erin Burnett article through my IP  because I had no real account, but the IP has edits going back to the beginning of June (when I moved seasonally). You're a rather unfriendly/unhelpful admin as well in that you don't seem to read thoroughly or answer genuine newbie questions (e.g., do people have official records of misconduct?). Is there a way to put down official feedback for admins? Do admins undergo peer review? OptimistBen 19:39, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I know that because i checked out your edits. I'm sorry If I came across as rude but you must understand that when a whole load of newbies start wasing into a fight or start edit warring then I am suspicious of all of them. There is some very strange activity going on on that page and I intend to check out all possible sock accounts and block any that i am sure of. As for review, yes obviously you can approach other admins about my actions to see what they think. That would probably be your first port of call. If the other admins who have been editing the talk page disagree with me then I am happy to undo my blocks. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If your blocks are based solely on the lack of previous edits, I would have to say that I disagree. This is precisely the sort of dispute that's likely to draw newbies to an article's talk page, and I see no evidence of advanced Wikipedia knowledge on these users' part.
 * I don't understand your one-week block of User:4.231.233.164 at all, as that could easily be the dynamic IP address of someone who regularly edits anonymously. Also, you deemed this user a "meatpuppet," which usually refers to a separate person invited to a discussion by another user (not to someone committing a block-worthy offense).
 * If you're in the process of typing a reply to my previous post, please disregard any of the above that you already intend to address in that message.  —David Levy 20:04, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Theresa! I, too, am curious as to how you determined that User:You idiot kid is a sockpuppet. I'm also a bit perplexed by your block of User:4.231.233.164 as a meatpuppet. To be clear, I'm not suggesting that either of these actions was incorrect, but I would sincerely appreciate explanations. If you're worried about spilling the beans, feel free to e-mail me. Thanks! :-) —David Levy 19:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually I've been doing some investigating on th internet and think that I have entirely misjudged the situation. The reason I jumped on the new accounts was because when I do new pages patrol I inevitably end up patroling the newbies' contributions page and so know how typical newbies behave. They edit their pet topics, they tend to make multiple edits,they tend to add info, they never state "I am not a sockpuppet". They rarely if ever jump straight into an edit war.  That is why i was so suspicious. I based my decision on their editing behaviour. However, as I've been talking here I've been looking at the internet, and seen something that didn't occur to me. The talk page of Erin Burnett  is being linked to on forums, blogs etc.  This simply did not occur to me, I could see people may link to the article but never thought that people would link to the talk page. :-( This explains the rush of newbies editing just that page. So I'm going to unblock those I've just blocked and make it cleasr in the log that it was my error. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:17, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your thoughtful reconsideration and response!
 * Also keep in mind that people arriving at the article (and finding that the incident in question isn't mentioned) cannot edit it (because it's protected), so the talk page (which contains allegations of sock puppetry that might inspire users to note that they aren't sock puppets) is the next logical destination. —David Levy 20:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Great, I can finally speak. What a nice welcome for a newbie. I would like to know on what grounds you autoblocked me for? Was it for being a newbie and editing an entry? I don't see how you logically determined "the other one is dead obvious." Regardless of what you did to me, the issue of the entry still remains but perhaps we will look toward a more prudent admin than yourself to resolve this. In the future, please be more careful when deciding to block someone. You idiot kid 22:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair point. I can only apologise and promise that I will try to be more careful in the future. I'm sorry you got caught in the autoblock. I did try to remove it when i unblocked you but the wikimediatools were down at the time. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * (comment by uninvolved editor) In her defense (not that she needs it) I have seen some of her admin work, and I have found Theresa to be (generally speaking) both fair and prudent. And if/when someone acknowledges a mistake, it's usually just better to be gracious, accept, and move on. . .after all everybody makes them on occasion.  R. Baley 22:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. You idiot kid 23:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I was reading the above section titled 'Blocking' and noticed something very strange.


 * How was it that statsone, became immediately aware of the block that you (Theresa Knott), placed on the other users.


 * Is there somewhere an experience user knows to look for a block?


 * Also, how is it that a new user like OptimistBen, knew almost immediately that you had blocked You idiot kid?


 * Finally, I've made a list of edits to the Erin Burnett page. I placed it on my talk page. Could you look it over when you get a chance and let me know if this should be added to my WP:CHECKUSER request? Thank you. - ICarriere 01:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Nothing strange about that at all. I posted a note on the Erin Burnett talk page as soon as I blocked the accounts. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 01:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * But did it list the names of the people who you had decided to block? - ICarriere 01:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes Theresa Knott | The otter sank 01:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I see. That makes sense then. Thank you. - ICarriere 02:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Theresa Knott, I'm finally back from auto-block purgatory. It sucked getting blocked and not being able to defend yourself. Thanks for doing the due diligence and restoring my account. As I said on the talk page, I'm saw the video of that quote on the internet, came to the wikipedia page and didn't understand why the quote wasn't there. Ended up reading the talk page, thought ICarriere's arguments against it were poor and signed up for an account to join the discussion. Anyway, thanks for sorting it out.

Perhaps this is biting the hand that brought me back to life but I doubt that a comment inviting people to look at the craziness on the talk page is what brought the majority of people there. Maybe a few hundred saw that comment on reddit while probably over a million saw a clip of the actual quote on various major blogs or the Daily Show. Aquavit 13:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: The above similiarities in writing style and argument as found in 'You Idiot Kid'.


 * With that in mind, the WP:CHECKUSER came back with the following:


 * Inconclusive. IPs show users as unrelated. Some other matches. Probable IP spoofing. Admins should use the "duck test" on this one. Voice-of-All 19:52, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Is the duct test what I think it is? Sounds like a duck, looks like a duck, must be a duck? Or is there some other test used on Wikipedia? - ICarriere 02:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep that's the test, and no I have no intention of reblocking anyone after the mess I got in yesterday. I'm far too involved now, and anyway, you haven't presented any evidence. I cannot block based on your say so. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Dark Lord Dylan
Theresa Knott, one of my colleagues, Dark Lord Dylan is suspected to be a sock puppet of Gundar Twinky fluffuy or something like that. I can asure you that I have seen all of his accounts and none of them resemble this name. Is there anyway you could lift the block on him? And if you need more info just tell me. Thanks.--Kondrayus 23:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Please explain this edit, and these ones and also explain how you come to know all of "his accounts". Cheers. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 23:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that admission of a user's multiple accounts is pretty good indicator of puppetry on the part of that user. I'd also point out that this is probably another one, judging from contribs and writing style, not to mention particularly Kondrayus' edits to the long-closed SSP case today, which I reverted. MSJapan 01:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Let me also add that this user who now claims no knowledge of GTF told me on my talk page to contact him to find out info about GTF, and he spelled his name entirely correctly there. MSJapan 01:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes I spotted it immediately. Appears to be some kid without anyone to talk to making up friends and chatting amongst himself. Every now and then he craves attention so trolls a wikipedian. Kinda sad but wikipedia i not therapy:-( Theresa Knott | The otter sank 01:52, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought that was my conclusion - good thing we have GFDL here! Do you think it would be reasonable to block Kondrayus as a sock as well, or just leave it be?  My concern is the lack of substantive edits (meaning ongoing and largely irrelevant additions to video game articles and talk pages) that this user engages in. MSJapan 05:56, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I considered it, but figure if I did he'd create yet another sock. He seems pretty harmless to be honest. Not really causing disruption, more our bemusement. Let's just keep an eye on him. Perhaps someone will befriend him and the problem will stop. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 14:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * On an unrelated note, your talkpage sig graphic up top still uses "Taste the Korn" and not "The otter sank". If only we all could have such anagrammable handles. MSJapan 05:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah I know. As my name is so anagrammable (I like that word, I think I'll steal it from you) it's easy for me to change my sig regularly. But creating a new grapahic each time takes effort and I cannot be bothered with that. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 14:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Erin Burnett Research
I noticed your comment on the discussion page, and thought I might be able to help. Here are some sources that I've compiled.

Citations:

Aug. 10, 2007, Transcript (Original Statement) Chris Matthews with Erin Burnett

Aug. 16, 2007, 11:34PM EST (Commentary) Daily Show: Great Recall of China

Aug. 17, 2007, 8:25 AM EST (2nd Clarification) Morning Joe: How to improve Chinese Imports? 

Aug. 17, 2007, 5:17 PM EST (FF 4m:1s) (3rd Clarification) Hardball: Cramer going ballistic over the economy

Most people who see Erin Burnett making the rounds on MSNBC and NBC know what she was attempting to convey. That is why aside from the leftwing political blogs, this did not become an issue. - ICarriere 13:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

This research is great. You should put it on the article talk page for everyone to see. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 14:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Permissions for re-use of diagrams
I am in the midst of designing a web based learning tool for medical students during their anaesthesia attachments. Your SVG diagrams of the respiratory system are clear and would be fantastic for this purpose. I noted that they are available under the creative commons licence; would you be happy for them to be used in the project as long as you are credited?

Chris —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chebbes (talk • contribs).


 * Certainly! Feel free to use it. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 07:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm just getting used to vectoring. Your artwork is very clear and will be great for teaching.

Chris --Chebbes 21:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Bad-faith edits by a contributor
Theresa: I had to log out and make this edit because I believe a regular contributor known as Yath is tracking what articles I contribute to and is on the verge of vandalism-like harrasement. I'll try to give you a fair—and short—synopsis of the background here:

I did to the Kilogram article what I did to the Specific heat capacity article: I did some wholesale revising of it. The Kilogram article had degraded to a sorry state and needed many errors corrected. It seems that some articles, like the Specific heat capacity article, have appreciative and cooperative authors. I got a lot of help from Spiel496 and BenB4 and the two helped me to delete a redundant article that I had effectively merged into Specific heat capacity. Other articles; namely the Kilogram article have what I term “squatters,” who take extreme ownership of articles and are less than enthusiastic about newcomers stirring the pot. One such regular contributor to the Kilogram article is Yath. As I mentioned, I recently made major revisions to Kilogram article; I even created this ray-traced graphic for the article because the old photograph had been deleted due to copyright problems. However, Yath hasn’t been very agreeable to the changes along the way. His opposition though, has always seemed to be founded on a legitimate editorial basis. I believe we've been handling our Kilogram-related disputes in the proper fashion by debating them in the Talk:Kilogram page. The Kelvin issue is a different matter:

A table of SI-prefixed forms of the kelvin has been in the article for years as far as I can tell; this 500-edit-old version is the oldest I can find and it contains the table. A user had recently truncated the table and I restored to its full size it last night. This morning, I found that Yath had deleted it. This borders on vandalism because the table had an imbedded editors’ note explaning that other articles linked directly to the table and deleting the section breaks all the referenced links. For instance, an article on Absolute zero might mention 450 nk and the link takes the reader to the table. Notwithstanding this advise, he deleted it. His comment was a terse “(si prefix table adds nothing to the article.)” I left this response regarding that on the talk page.

More disturbing to me is I can see from the history section that the last time Yath made an edit to the Kelvin article was nearly a year ago—29 September 2006. Yet less than nine hours after I restored the table to its full size (after having been truncated by someone else) Yath deleted it. I suspect he is tracking my contributions and is just trying to stir up trouble. Can you do something about this? Greg L (my talk) 18:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC) (I had to hand-enter this signature since I logged out to write this note to you).


 * I think you need more evidence than this. If he follows you to several articles, that's possible stalking, but one? It's just not enough. It could just be a coincidence. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In fact, having looked at his edit contributions, he appears to have a interest un units of measurement having edited several topic in the field recently. So it is quite possible that it is simply a coincidence Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Advise for creation of a Category
As per request, you have deleted a page "Slovenian Buddhists". It seems to me that this page would be good as a catgeory, as it exist also "Slovenia Roman Catholics" for example. This category could also be linked to Slovenian_people_by_religion. The link to this page as catgeory exists in Shenphen Rinpoche, so I son't understand why the category hasn't been created automatically as it is written here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:CAT#Some_general_guidelines ? Advises would be appreciated :) --Alencek 00:06, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No idea! I know very little about categories. Try the WP:VP someone there should be able to help. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 00:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I reverted you
There already is a main article that lists all of these journals, and these can simply be redirects to that article. If you feel I am in error, at least please address the problem of the multiple single purpose accounts created simply for creating these articles, the similar and unreferenced text, the timing of all of the creations, and the actions of multiple wikilinking internally and the suggestion that this be done to boost ratings on search engines, before you remove my tags. Wikipedia editors don't generally create multiple single purpose accounts, each with the name of one journal, in order to create articles. These are ads. Each of these editors was a single purpose account that only edited these articles, and only edited them from August 8 to 9th, 2006. These are advertisements, and there is a main article that lists them all. They're not only adverstisements, they were created by a single sock puppet account. These are not regularly contributing editors, this is the work of a pernicious spammer and this type of abuse of Wikipedia is despicable. Please restore the prods. Thank you. KP Botany 00:09, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * First edit at 07:14, 2006 August 9
 * First edit at 07:20, 2006 August 8
 * First edit at 07:39, 2006 August 9
 * First edit at 08:10, 2006 August 9
 * First edit at 08:19, 2006 August 9
 * First edit at 08:42, 2006 August 9
 * First edit at 08:37, 2006 August 9
 * First edit at 08:48, 2006 August 9


 * I didn't delete prods I deleted speedy delete tags. I was going through the speedy delete candidate list and felt that these were not obvious ads. Also nofollow foils any SEO attempt. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 00:12, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * So, in other words, every thing I said, and all the evidence I gathered, and the fact that these were created in the manner were created aren't anything, and we have to allow these to sit and waste multiple Wikipedia hours arguing about their deletion, and I have to post other tags? Well, good for Elsevier and their creation of multiple single purpose accounts to create articles and boost their image on Wikipedia.  I don't know why I bothered to even spend the last few hours finding this crap, when it certainly would be defended to the utmost by someone who can't be bothered to even look at what is going on.  KP Botany 00:14, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Bloody 'ell mate calm down! It's only spam. We get it all the time I delete it all the time. If you feel that strongly about it ask another admin for a review. I'm not happy deleting pages that have existed for over a year without a debate that's all. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 00:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, yeah, I'll calm down, after all, why bother looking at the evidence, or even acknowledge that there is any evidence to the contrary once you've made up your mind? We'll just waste time on AfDs for the crap, because, after all, multiple single purpose accounts created simply for the purpose of created articles that all read alike couldn't possibly be spammers, and they should always be given a break.  Whatever.  I asked someone to waste his time AfDing the crap, so we can give Elsevier even more of a break spamming the hell out of Wikipedia.  Maybe a review also, after all, editing real articles is hardly worthwhile any more.  KP Botany 00:23, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I did look at the evidence!! I decided I wasn't happy deletinmg without a debate. I'm sorry if that steps on your toes but I'm not going to pussy foot around you. Calm down. It's not my fault you cant work out how to do a afd! Theresa Knott | The otter sank 00:28, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I did it. And, really, all these sound alike articles created by single purpose accounts weren't spam to you?  Well, now I know.  Again, three cheers for Elsevier for all the work they created for Wikiipedia editors.  At least I don't have to waste any of my time adding references to real articles.  KP Botany 00:38, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Stop it! So iI did something you didn't like. So what? Why all the drama? Why all the "Blah blah blah real articles" crap. You wanna go edit articles. I'm not stopping you. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 00:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Current Opinion in Biotechnology
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Current Opinion in Cell Biology
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What on earth are you doing?
Why template me multiple times! Once is plenty enough. I've already seen it anyway. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 00:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Because that's what the instructions say, to add this template to your page. And, you did tell me to ask another admin to review it, your suggestion, which I followed, just like I followed the instructions.  KP Botany 01:09, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * When instructions are written, the editors who write them make (perhaps a stupid) assumption that the person reading then will use thwir brain and think before blindly following them. Now I don't for one minute think you are stupid. I think you are trolling because i upset you, so I am asking you nicely. Please stop.  Theresa Knott | The otter sank 01:12, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Uniquely Phral
Another for your block list. --Calton | Talk 01:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * More:

- Jeeny Talk 06:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * User:Leibstandarte Phral Phralter
 * User:Phralsgemeinschaft
 * User:Nova Wikia‎
 * Not sure about the last one. It doesn't have any edits. Are you going on nsme alone? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 07:51, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for removing vandalism, but I now can't get rid of "new messages" thing
Hi Theresa. It's taken me a while to work out what's happened, but it looks like from here that you got rid of vandalism on my Talk page by simply deleting that page. I've no problem at all with that, but the funny thing is that orange "You have new messages (last change)." message won't go away. I suspect that as the page was deleted before I was able to open it, the system thinks I've never opened it and thus continues to show the message. In other words, a bug. I can't report it as a bug because I do my editing as an anon (my preference). I know that next time I log in to my ISP I'll simply have a new IP address, but some other anon may get similarly confused. And possibly a similar situation may occur for non-anons. Presumably, if a Talk page gets deleted then associated unread messages should also be deleted. Would you be able to appropriately report this as a bug, if that is what it is? Cheers, 86.149.48.197 09:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems to have cleared itself - message no longer appearing - so probably there's some bot in the background that does the necessary housework. Cheers, --86.149.48.197 11:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

current opinion
Seems to have all happened while I was asleep. I left my opinion for KP. Obviously those pages needed merging or upgrade, but of course speedy wasn't the way--it rarely is. I try to watch CSD to catch the science stuff people didnt understand, but I cant get them all. Personally, I think there's enough material on each for a separate article, but the combined one is a good enough start--I'd rather work getting in the journals that don't have articles yet. In general I have some considerable experience here (and elsewhere) working with publishers and their publicity guys, so feel free to ask if there's anything needing doing or speaking to. Thanks for all the good work, now and always!! DGG (talk) 19:27, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with seperate articles or one big article. I'm also fine with deletion if that's what an AFD decides. If you want to, you could speak publishers and comment on the creation of multiple socks to edit Wikipedia. That looks bad and get's peoples hackles up here. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 11:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

hello
how do you do? I am fine .. see you again--S1721422301490 14:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC) What are you doing? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 14:32, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi i am fine too. I'm intriged as to what your purpose is here on wikipedia. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 14:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Interwikilinking thats it, I can speak english equal to native speaker but i am not keen on writing in english wiki

I was just experimenting on autoblock. autoblock it does work very well. I was banned for using User:S172142230149 user id, so please report me to admins thanks for that.. if they caught me they may ban gain, i dont want to create another user name. u can see my previous contribution with that user name. reply to me ok --S1721422301490 14:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello
We just wanted to know why exactly you deleted our LoveSac page? We were very factual and did not advertise. Is there something we are missing?

75.40.163.154 20:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I didn't delete it. However I've checked the deletion log, it was deleted three times by three different admins as "blatant advertising". Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Deletion Log shows you as the admin that deleted it.
The deletion log shows you as the admin that deleted it, that is odd, why does it list you in the deletion log? Isn't this Theresa Knott?

75.40.163.154 21:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That is very strange. Let me look again. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:06, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This is what I see when I look at the deletion log.

Deletion log * 14:59, 17 July 2007 Merope (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "LoveSac" ‎ (csd g11; content was: 'LoveSac - Alternative Furniture Co.LoveSac is the designer, wholesaler & retailer of the original Oversized SacTM, and now a family...' (and the only contributor was 'Djdoublej')) * 10:54, 29 June 2007 Waggers (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "LoveSac" ‎ (CSD G11: Blatant Advertising) * 01:42, 8 November 2005 Titoxd (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "LoveSac" ‎ (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LoveSac)

What do you see? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Here is what I see
20:56, 25 August 2007 Theresa knott (Talk | contribs) deleted "Lovesac" ‎ (content was: ' LoveSac - Alternative Furniture Co.LoveSac is the designer, wholesaler & retailer of the original Oversized SacTM, and no...')

75.40.163.154 21:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah I see. You recreated it under a different name. Let me take a look. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * OK I've read it. It's very definately an ad for your company. We are not into companies using wikipedia to promote their products. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

How is it different
How is it different than for instance Zappos.com all we did was state what we do and what we sell, we didn't hype or advertise anything specific at all, just facts. We are just trying to inform the community using Wikipedia what we are as it is obviously a relatively popular search term. Something seems very weird here, I would like to know what you consider advertising on our page that was not advertising on others such as zappos, amazon, any retail companies wiki page for that matter. Specific example would be nice.

75.40.163.154 21:23, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

OK this may come across as a bit harsh. But I want you to understand where I am coming from on this. I've been an editor here for years. I started editing back when Wikipedia was a teeny tiny website and have over the years helped it to become one of the most important websites anywhere. We allow anyone to edit here, and we've grown exponentially because of it. I and the other wikipedians like me are in the business of writing an encylopedia. I see people like you as abusers of our open editing policy. We get to decide what goes in our encylopedia. We've had a deletion debate and decided that, at this time, we dont want an article on your beanbags. That is our decision because we are the ones writing this encylopedia. We do sometimes have articles on companies. We are allowed to do this and we don't have to justify our decisions to the people like you who aren't here to write an encylopedia but are instead here to promote thier company or products.

Actually (rereading it) that came across a lot harsher than I intended. I don't know why those companies have wikipedia pages. I can't be everywhere at once. Sorry to disappoint you. We have a review process that I could open for you if you like. The above view is mine, others may have different opinions on the matter. You may get the page reinstated that way. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:37, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

KP Botany
KP Botany can indeed be annoying (most recently, I've been amused/appalled by her double standard on sockpuppets wrt Brya and SallyForth), but part of WP:AGF for me is that most things have a backstory, and in the case of an editor with substantial contributions, the backstory is worth paying attention to. I provided the backstory. I don't see the piling on as serious, but I know KP will, and even though I would count myself overly sensitive to behave the way she has behaved, I see where she's coming from. --Curtis Clark 21:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

OK fair enough. Thanks for the explanation. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/SevenOfDiamonds
Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Requests for arbitration/SevenOfDiamonds. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/SevenOfDiamonds/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/SevenOfDiamonds/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 22:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi there, I noticed your comments on this RfArb and thought you might be interested to know I have filed an RFCU on other accounts that I suspect are socks of ZF/NU. Feel free to read and add your view on the matter. If not that is OK too. Respectfully Nomen Nescio Gnothi seauton 08:32, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

New Ways Deletion
Hi Teresa. I'm the director of NewWays. I had just begun to add a description and more content to the Wikipedia The intention is not to write an advertisment of our organization but, instead, talk about our work, goals, history, and action. --Zezek 23:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It's just not notable enough yet. When it takes off, then we can have an article. Also you need to be careful of conflict of interest here. Read WP:COI for the lowdown on it. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Photo editing still protected
I see you're editing it, so you must be an admin who knows that it still needs a few things. The guy who protected it seems to be on a long wiki-break, so can you please unprotect it? There's a pretty decent consensus version worked out that may result in a few edits if you do. Dicklyon 07:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page while I was cleaning up the mess. =) -- Gogo Dodo 08:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

personal note
A lot of us prefer to be behind the camera than in front of it, and can relate to your comment. Suggestion: Have your daughter take a closeup that makes your eyes by themselves be the picture. You can almost do that with the large-format photo that's there now, except it's not straight-on. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Eh? I have no idea what you are talking about! What comment? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 12:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The comment on the picture's page, "Finally I have a picture of myself that I don't hate." Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh I see. But what if it's my eyes that are the problem? You never thought of that did you? The reason I hate most pics of me is that they usually don't look like me. I've had a couple of professional pics taken for newspaper articles about my wikipedia activities and they do look good, but they are of course not free so can't be used on a user page. Most pics taken by family and freinds look awful. That's because many of my friends and family don't know how to take a photograph. I particulaly hate flash photographs because I always half close my eyes and end up looking drunk! Theresa Knott | The otter sank 12:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The only problem with your eyes is the red-eye problem due to the flash. On close-up setting, with proper lighting, the flash can be deactivated. And in regard to the flash in general, the problem is anticipating the flash. You have to discipline yourself to not blink until after the flash, by which time they've already got the eyes-opened photo. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Alfort etc. ~ Bonaparte?
Hi Theresa. Since you are an admin, couldn't you possibly block this guy? His behavior reminds me very much of Bonaparte, but even if it's not him, his every move is a violation of at least three policies at once, NPA most prominently. I don't think WP:BITE applies – or does he look like a genuine newcomer? KissL 14:06, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I thought he looked like irismeister, though not a 100% sure. He could however be a user from the romanian wiki. He seems to have stopped for now though. I'll keep an eye on him for a bit. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 14:13, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

If you'll keep an eye on him, that's just fine with me, thanks. I haven't come across Irismeister so far, but looking at his user page, I think you're right. This "tyranny Wiki style" talk is definitely the same. These trolls can be so difficult to tell apart! :) KissL 14:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

88.82.46.193
Banning me is absurd.But i wouldn't be suprized.Do them in black and white.That way,no more arguments,and i will be happy.Like i said before,but you didn't listen,i don't care about the kmines screenshots.Also an svg should definetly satisfy me.--88.82.46.193 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.82.32.78 (talk) 20:29, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me, but don't say I didn't listen when I've only just joined the debate! Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

For the thing above,i just copy pasted my self without thinking.For the images..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHa,i think i pissed my pants,you mist SIX.And the very BIG and UGLY ones.I should have guessed that,you know ,you aren't not forced to do them,you didn't read the "thin words"(i don't know how you say that in English).Can you explain me how you done them?I'll try and make the rest(i intalled inkscape). What do you think,the other guy really did them by hand.Or they are really screenshots.--88.82.32.78 22:25, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if he made them or not. But images like this should be SVGs anyway. What dou you mean by "you mist SIX". I don't follow you. Anyway to edit the images, open them in inkscape and edit away. Inkscape isn't too difficult to learn, but it' not simple enough that i can give you a tutorial on this talk page :-(. I've actually written a beginner's tutorial on meta. Hang on I'll try to find a link. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Here you go. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Tutorial_for_Vectorial_graphism have fun. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:33, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Just scroll down the page huny, and you'll get the point.I just want a shortcut for thies particular images.--88.82.32.78 22:35, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't understand. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I do now. You want me to replace all the stategy ones too? That'll be a lot of work. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Like i said.Just explain me how to do thies in particular.I don't need a masters in inkscape.Now honestly,do you beleave that he did that by hand,if i where one of your students and told you that i did them by hand,would you beleave me?--88.82.32.78 22:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Seriously, it's perfectly possible he did them by hand. As for the images. To copy a flag say you click edit copy then edit paste. To change the font click the capaital A on the left side bar, drag a square big enough then start typing. If it's too small click on the arrow and use it to drag the number by the handles. You can change the size of anything like this. To change the colour, you have to click on this button [[Image:Inkscapefillandstrokebutton.png]] at the top of the screen. That's pretty much all you will need for now. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

In the 3BV section we can just put one.the other two are redondand.You get the picture,of what 3bv is with a small one,i propose the one you alredy created,this would be more intelligent then try to redo every thing.Ther isn't any issue about the number of images in this section.So this can be fixed with little pain.The other two are small.And the last,is just a flag.That whay i'm not going to need soon my masters in inkscape.A was looking for a link like that in commons,can you add that link,in the tamplates that ask peopol to transform this image to svg(for commons and wikipedia)?--88.82.32.78 23:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC) Yes. I'm going to bed now, but I'll do it in the morning. If you know the name of the template can you put it here to save me having to look for it. Cheers. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 23:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Commons link.I don't know if ther is one specific for wikipedia too."He made them by hand".3bv 59 has 256 scares,that have to be carefully put so that the numbers corespond with the mines.You have the option to do them by hand or just take the screenshot.Plus a bunch of other evidence.I'm assuming that you just hiding behind the "good faith" policy,on this one.--88.82.32.78 23:27, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Playboy Magazine Covers
Hi,

How do I nominate them for deletion as a group ?

Thanks,

Tovojolo 15:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I answered on the ANI. I hope my instructions are clear. If not let me know and I'll do it for you. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

need your help
hi i commented ages ago on the wordsley school article vandalism and now the school term is starting could you please extend the prtection until next september thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.228.143 (talk) 11:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No. Not unless there has been any vandalism. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 11:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Email
Check yours when you get a chance. Thanks.--MONGO 14:42, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reversions
User page and talk page. Busy vandal. :) --Moonriddengirl 02:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for catching the vandalism on my User talk page on the one moment I let my guard down. All the best. Bobo. 02:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC)