User talk:Theroadislong/Archive 34

Short One Player
Thank you for your comment which is valuable. Will improve the article as suggested and resubmit. Have a good day. Xiaomao8788 00:45, 24 April 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xiaomao8788 (talk • contribs)

Is this the right place to communicate?
Hi T, is this the right place to reach you? As you have seen my post, and I do appreciate your fast reply.

I speak English, but it feels as if I am attempting to speak in a completely foreign language using the WIKI site and I have done computer programming since the 1970s.

As you saw, I had what I believed to be a well-written profile for Ryan Christopher Mouritsen and as you already know it was not approved, but I believe it was over the scripting methods.

I found other approved pages, then COPY/PASTED the content (scripting) that worked on those pages and updated things for Ryan's profile.

Right now, I am about to leave the house.

I still have no idea of who or whatever "Teahouse" might be and why I should talk to that person or group. It is all confusing.

In just a few minutes, I am leaving the house.

Do you have access to Ryan's profile? I would hate to have to restart all of what was never approved. Yes, I did SAVEAS copies of it just in case it got deleted, but that does not mean I have the last version of it either.

I had hoped folks would just say that I had errors or particular lines and then I correct those issues. That would have been helpful.

I visited your site in the past and never found where/how to communicate with you either. I could not see putting my notes at the bottom of huge/long pages would be purposeful either. This site seriously needs to just use EMAIL.

bye Brennan
 * This is the correct place to communicate with me, though your user page is equally correct. Your draft article Draft:Ryan Christopher Mouritsen was deleted by User:xaosflux after a deletion discussion here Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Ryan Christopher Mouritsen where it was described as  “Hopelessly personal and informal”. Please see relevant guidelines at Wikipedia is not a memorial and WP:NOTCV  which were both cited in the discussion. I am not an admin so I cannot view or restore the content that was deleted. Theroadislong (talk) 18:29, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * If you enable email on your account and ask (use User talk:Xaosflux, I can email you the last content of the page that was deleted. — xaosflux  Talk 18:35, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Leandro Soto Ortiz page
Hello, RIL, I have some comments/questions on your edits to Leandro Soto Ortiz. I'm a brand new user to Wikipedia, so please take that into account... :>)

"Biography: Wikipedia cannot reference itself" -- There is no Wikipedia reference in the biography. Do you mean in the introductory paragraph? This reference (to the Leandro Soto papers) was there before I started editing -- I only moved it up to the intro from the bio. Should I delete it altogether, and just have it in the external links? The only problem is, in the notes and references section, I somehow deleted the other three references -- if I delete that one item, there will be nothing left! I have been trying to get help from the Teahouse, but have been unsuccessful so far in restoring the other three... Can you help me? I don't see where my mistake is.

"Added tag to article (TW)"; "external links now removed" -- I don't have to worry about this then, right?

"unsourced so removing" -- removing the Solo, Group and Awards -- I am working on it. But why did you remove Selected Collections? I spent half a day finding the links, which I included... I checked other Cuban artists in Wikipedia, and they seem to be the same as mine, (in Selected Collections). (Some of them even have references to the city rather than links to the collections!)

I'm working on "he was the first artist in his generation to work with the Afro-Cuban heritage."

Cheers from Miami, Lauraj210 (talk) 01:37, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

12:58:58, 25 April 2018 review of submission by Mal. Yahai
Mal. Yahai (talk) 12:58, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello Theroadislong,

I hope this meets you well. Thank you for your review. I have since edited the draft after reading the Wikipedia Writing Guide for Academic Journals and the one on notability for academic journal. I learned from these sources that "As a rule of thumb, if a journal is indexed in selective bibliographic databases in its field, or has an impact factor, this will be enough to establish notability."

I have been able to reference the various databases where the journal in question is indexed with the links to these materials. I hope this will be enough, but I am open to further corrections.

Best regards,

Yahai

Mackinac College edits by Karin D. E. Everett
12:34, 19 March 2018‎ Theroadislong The following Wikipedia contributors may be personally or professionally connected to the subject of the article. Relevant policies and guidelines may include conflict of interest, autobiography, and neutral point of view. Karin D. E. Everett -    I am writing to you because you posted the warning above. Please see my User Page which I recently created. I am hoping that you will then remove the warning about me on the Mackinac College Talk page.

I am also sending you this communication because I do not understand why you questioned (above) whether I am personally or professionally connected to my edits of the Mackinac College Wikipedia page. You did this 14 minutes after John from Idegon reverted four short edits I made to the Mackinac College page; note that I have also sent a query to John from Idegon. I want to assure you that I am neither personally nor professionally connected with the subject of Mackinac College, although I did attend and graduate from Mackinac College almost 50 years ago. Having graduated from Mackinac College, I then attended and graduated from Columbia University, Michigan State University, Baylor College of Medicine, and the University of Tennessee Memphis. My student relationship with Mackinac College was Academic. I’ve had no contact with the college since it closed in 1970.

The poor quality of the Mackinac College Wikipedia page came to my attention years ago because I previously had an interest in the Up With People Wikipedia page--the Up With People musical show originated on the same campus that eventually became Mackinac College. When I retired in 2011 from my 30-year career as a Research Scientist, I decided to (slowly) write a well-researched history of Mackinac College for its Wikipedia page. To see my Mackinac College efforts in their entirety, look at the Mackinac College Talk page, Table of Contents No. 6. I have gone out of my way to present a neutral point of view. You should know that this effort is neither autobiographical nor about family, friends, clients, employers, financial matters, or other relationships. Please also see the related Wikipedia pages which I wrote and posted in February 2014: Mission Point (Mackinac Island) and Mackinac College (Humbard).

Again, I’d appreciate if you would please remove the warning about me on the Mackinac College Talk page.Karin D. E. Everett (talk) 19:00, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

01:54:06, 26 April 2018 review of submission by 103.51.234.19
103.51.234.19 (talk) 01:54, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

07:42:26, 26 April 2018 review of submission by Vnk414
'''I've added all the references citations to the Article and I am perfectly sure that the article is ready for it's publication and Important Note the Article is not a single percent related to any promotion of the person, Wikipedi is a free encylopedia everyone here are free to express their views. The person in article has achieve a great place in Aviation, so I doesn't think that the Article is promoting him as he doesn't requires any promotion, the Article is created so that the People could easily get information about him as Wikipedia is an easy acces Encyclopedia,Regards''' Vnk414 (talk) 07:42, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Request on 08:25:43, 27 April 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Vroonmenon
Hi,

So I was working on this page of a company called Baseline Ventures India. When I submitted the first draft, I got feedback saying that it sounded more like an advertisement than an encyclopedia entry. So I reworked on the article in consultation with your team. And submitted the article. I have got the same feedback. I spoke to your team and worked on their feedback, I referred to other sports marketing companies like WMG, IMG, Gestifute for further references. I worked exactly on those lines. Yet it has got submitted whereas their articles with all mention of the kind of money they have made and business done appears on your website. I will await further feedback to understand why the article got rejected and how can I finally get this submitted.

Vroonmenon (talk) 08:25, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Request on 11:02:03, 27 April 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Greenvintageshoe
Hi there, thanks for your feedback. No, I'm not being paid to do this and have no conflict of interest to declare. Just, it seems obvious to me - by the Google searches for 'Galsworthy wikipedia' and Wikipedia internal references, and by his 60k twitter followers and media appearances/references - that Galsworthy should have his own page. I'll find some more sources. Sorry - I'm learning with this! Caroline

Greenvintageshoe (talk) 11:02, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Pulse Microsystems
Thank you for your feedback Theroadislong!

I added notable contributions to the apparel decoration industry. Do you have other suggestions? The company has a full list of awards and accolades, but I do not want it to sound like marketing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Csgoldberg (talk • contribs) 18:39, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

I see where you commented about adding third party sources. Given that the company operates in a manufacturing B2B environment, the only articles are from trade publications. I was told that this is unacceptable. Is there a way of making this OK? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Csgoldberg (talk • contribs) 18:49, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 * We only summarise what reliable, independent published sources have to say about a subject. If there are no such sources then we cannot have an article. Theroadislong (talk) 18:51, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

06:49:42, 28 April 2018 review of submission by Vnk414
'''I've added all the references citations to the Article and I am perfectly sure that the article is ready for it's publication and Important Note the Article is not a single percent related to any promotion of the person, Wikipedi is a free encylopedia everyone here are free to express their views. The person in article has achieve a great place in Aviation, so I doesn't think that the Article is promoting him as he doesn't requires any promotion, the Article is created so that the People could easily get information about him as Wikipedia is an easy access Encyclopedia,Regards''' Vnk414 (talk) 06:49, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

band
hello i want to make article about the music band — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vladawer457b (talk • contribs) 10:26, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Make a draft and submit it. Please do not change comments. Nigos (t@lk • Contribs) 10:42, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Please accept my article
You have reviewed my article please help me and you can make some changes to common mistakes please submit my article Eyu Kassa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eyukasssa (talk • contribs) 14:40, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm you are not notable enough for an article yet. Theroadislong (talk) 14:43, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Lisa Franklin
This is not an attack page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wpgjameswow (talk • contribs) 15:43, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Well... it looks remarkably like one to me, but an admin will decide. Theroadislong (talk) 15:48, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Food
Hello! After the successful pilot program by Wikimedia India in 2015, Wiki Loves Food (WLF) is happening again in 2018 and this year, it's  going International. To make this event a grand success, your direction is key. Please sign up here as a volunteer to bring all the world's food to Wikimedia. Danidamiobi (talk) 02:06, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

info?
hi, so im unable to put some unsourced content or own words I read some policy you can find sources but manage to make your own words? the paragraph you deleted was from my school handbook btw and it was not from the internet and made it into my own words, and check this article though Holy Child College of Davao, Inc. No references or sources at all Davidtran84 (talk) 06:57, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Please see other crap exists. Theroadislong (talk) 11:12, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what you or I have to say about your school. We only summarise what reliable, independent published sources have to say about a subject. Theroadislong (talk) 11:16, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * ow apologize for that I'm quite new to Wikipedia but thanks Davidtran84 (talk) 07:22, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Teahouse invites to WP:ORGNAME violators
First off, thanks for all the work you do reviewing AFC/draft material. I know it is a severely backlogged area and needs a all the help it can get.

That being said, I have noticed that quite often when reviewing reports at UAA, I find you have invited accounts with obvious username violations to the Teahouse, sometimes even names you have yourself reported for those violations. Does that not strike you as a bit inconsistent? Inviting them to discuss things while at the same time requesting they be blocked for obvious policy violations? It feels like a game of Good cop/bad cop only without an actual goal in mind. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:23, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The invites have not been sent by me though, they are automatically generated when declining AFCs. Theroadislong (talk) 18:54, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Ahh I see there is an option to NOT invite to the Teahouse....sorry I will make sure to uncheck this when appropriate, thanks for the heads up. Theroadislong (talk) 19:08, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank You. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:44, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Removing Bolding
Hello. I removed the bolding in my article as you kindly requested. I would like to ask if I can use italics instead. I think if there is some differentiation makes the reading easier as well makes some important information more visible.

Please suggest on this. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cartographies (talk • contribs) 13:38, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Spamming Apology
I sincerely apologize for adding a link in Wikipedia. I did not realize this violated the code of conduct. I will not make the mistake in the future. Thank you very much. -Daniel Mains — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mainsdan (talk • contribs) 14:10, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Referenses at Nadezda Tokareva's page
Thank you! Please, take a look, I have changed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagittaviolin (talk • contribs) 15:49, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Gbenga
Thanks for the help, I still need more information from you to avoid mistake — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whizzstardom (talk • contribs) 15:30, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Short One Player
Thanks for your earlier review of this article.I have since made further changes and added more substance into it, including awards and overseas performances. Appreciate this could be accepted. Thanks. Xiaomao8788 19:31, 2 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xiaomao8788 (talk • contribs)

I have referenced a source as requested. Still not posting
Sir,

I have referenced a source as requested by you. My posting is still being taken down. Could you please tell me specifically what I am doing wrong so I can do research and or ask the correct questions in order to get it corrected. I am confused. Dewitt Travis (talk) 20:49, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks,
 * You have apparently uploaded documents to Google Drive to use as a source this is just not acceptable. See WP:RS for what constitutes a reliable source. Theroadislong (talk) 20:55, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Reliable source I met criteria.
Sir,

That is what I thought. Please be advised that my source meets the criteria listed. It is a sworn statement, a deposition, taken by a former Dean of MUSC.

Wikipedia. ...Must be produced by a reliable third party and be properly cited. Additionally, an archived copy of the media must exist. It is convenient, but by no means necessary, for the archived copy to be accessible via the Internet.

A third party produced the deposition of the dean under oath. The third party is reliable and it is archived. The posting of the deposition and whom took it and where it is archived should meet all of the creitia of wikipedia. I made a statement and I am proving that it is correct, using the school's own words as the appropriate source.

Wikipedia

The reliability of a source depends on context. Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made in the Wikipedia article and is an appropriate source for that content. In general, the more people engaged in checking facts, analyzing legal issues, and scrutinizing the writing, the more reliable the publication.

My statement is 100 percent accurate. I am using the school's sworn statement as my source. To me it meet the criteria that the source must be reliable for the statement being made. I will try it again. I will document the third party who created the documents under oath. I will document where the document is archived. I will document the school official who made the remarks. I will provide a link to the actual document showing that is is a true reliable statement.

Please after I post it again do not take it down. I am meeting all of the requirements listed by wikipedia. I will have the location of where the document is and the third party who produced the document of my source under oath.

ThanksDewitt Travis (talk) 22:24, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Dewitt, you don't seem to understand what we mean by a reliable source. An article in the New York Times has been checked for accuracy, bias, etc. by editors, copy editors, and possibly fact-checkers. A deposition is one person's unsupported statement. The NYT article might be wrong; the deposition might be a pure jewel of clear truth. That does not matter when speaking in our collective voice. A statement tucked away in an archive somewhere does not constitute any form of published source, and certainly fails the language you quote about being subject to "more people engaged in checking facts, analyzing legal issues, and scrutinizing the writing". -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  23:24, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The poorly sourced content has been added back for a third time into the lede section of Medical University of South Carolina. Theroadislong (talk) 07:09, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

? changes required
This is a spiritual reference and holistic healing method.. Why no reference in wikipedia it is the same as the word Karma. or Colour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GCMind (talk • contribs) 10:43, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Reference Draft:Karmacology - Study of Colour and its affects on your Karma Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Theroadislong (talk) 10:45, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi
Hello, Manuel Botchway here you left me a message to join teahouse, but before i join i will be very happy to have someone mentor me on how to be better as a writter on wikipedia and would be happy if you can help me. --Manuel Botchway (talk) 11:01, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

14:27:58, 1 May 2018 review of submission by Mileslong123
I do not understand why you have knocked this back. All the information is factual and independently referenced. I copied the format of Microsoft and apple who have accepted entries. Your comments say the information should be independently referenced, which it is. I have written it as a 3rd party, it is not about me. Can you please provide more guidance and be specific. Mileslong123 (talk) 14:27, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Promotional terms include "Partnering with Worldpay they provided a total online shopping solution" "SymShop was an off the shelf shopping solution designed around easy customisation and website integration" "created audit and risk solutions for their clients" "a suite of tools that allowed companies to collaborate and embed risk management company wide" "which allowed non programmers to produce dynamic web solutions" "created a new super tool so risk and audit data could be shared and viewed together" "Symbiant claim several innovations most notable in the world or risk management" Symbiant claim several innovations most notable in the world or risk management" etc. Theroadislong (talk) 14:38, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I think i understand what you mean now. Thank you.. I couldn't see it. Made the changes you suggested. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mileslong123 (talk • contribs) 14:54, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Is the article now acceptable ? Mileslong123 (talk) 17:23, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Firstly no I do not work for the company nor am I being paid by them. My Brother worked for them but left earlier this year, that is how I know the company and as they didn't have an entry thought it would be a good one to start my Wiki career. This company has been around since google started, they have a really interesting story and are a major player in their field. SO, your original issue was the article seemed to be biased and not independent enough, now it's the reference material that isn't independent enough or of good enough quality. So as I am independant and these are independent published articles from numerous different sources (books and magazine articles) I am at a loss as to what you consider a good enough source of reference. A person can not add an entry on a subject they know nothing about. Obviously. So for someone to be bothered enough to spend time doing an entry there has to be a passion for the subject. This passion can be found in many wiki articles. So based on this insight can you provide any constructive comments? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mileslong123 (talk • contribs) 07:49, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You are wrong a person certainly can add an entry on something they know nothing about, anything you know about the company is irrelevant. Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what you or I have to say about the company. We only summarise what reliable, independent published sources have to say about a subject.

Hope this is useful you can ask for further help at the Teahouse. Theroadislong (talk) 08:35, 4 May 2018 (UTC) What is your definition of a listing ?
 * This is a primary source.
 * This is just a listing. Its an article, why are you saying this is a listing? It's a full chapter.
 * This doesn't mention Symbiant. Yes it does on page 500
 * This is just a listing again. A full chapter is not a listing. This is an article. from page 25 onwards.
 * This is a good reference and we need more in-depth ones like this.

Medical university of South Carolina
Sir,

I saw your edits. When I clicked it it did bring me to this page documented an English Wikipedia content guideline. It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions.

As you know I did use the sworn testimony from a dean at the medical university of South Carolina, which was recorded and archived by a third party whom I documented as my source and I also provided the sworn testimony to be viewed by all. It is not a published article in a book, but it does meet the overall purpose: Is the statement true and can it be backed up and verified by a reliable source.

I think this is an important edit on MUSC... The good and the bad. The school deprives students of their constitional rights before dismissing them by providing them no due process of law...Dewitt Travis (talk) 12:31, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The fact remains it is NOT a reliable source, it is a primary source, you have edit warred to include the content, please also see WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Theroadislong (talk) 12:50, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

I have responded to your comments, can you please read my responses and relook at your findings. What is your definition of a listing and no mention. What you refer to has listings are chapters and no mention is a half page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mileslong123 (talk • contribs) 11:32, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The "articles" are just routine business listings or they are written by the company CEO neither of which are suitable reliable sources If you want a second opinion ask at the The Teahouse, or re-submit and I will let another reviewer look at it instead. Theroadislong (talk) 14:54, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Testia,_an_Airbus_company
Hello dear Theroadislong,

Thanks a lot for your previous review of my article. Would you mind having a second look?

I have made several changes, and I beleive after all those versions we are getting closer now :).

Cheers and thanks in advance!

Teddy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Testia,_an_Airbus_company — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teddy.canadas (talk • contribs) 10:16, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your comment!

I re-wrote quite completely the article again. Does that look better to you? As you indicated I: > removed the promotional tone > made the history section in prose format rather than list > removed the external links

Thanks a lot,

Teddy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teddy.canadas (talk • contribs) 12:17, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Samuel S. Trott article submission
Spiritandfire444 (talk) 12:56, 7 May 2018 (UTC)Hi Theroadislong: 5/7/18 I am new to wikipedia so please forgive me inexperience. What specifically would help my draft article be accepted? Thanks!

Guillermo

Topic for Draft: Tri-Valley Sikh center : status : declined by you.
Hey theroadislong,! Thank you for your time to review my article so my question is that before rejection did you referred to its talk page I have posted A bunch of links of official news media here. So to your reference can you explain me how that well publicized and official news papers are owned by me.?? I didnt get that plus I didnt do references on the main page because in comment I told I am a Newbie and Dont know the proper way for citations So asked for help.!

Plus moreover this is not A my private place It is a religious Temple like any other temple in the area they have wiki .! This was new one So I though I would make one.! Instead of helping me you guys keep on rejecting please help me how can I get this published to the mainspace.!

thank you.! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taransingh (talk • contribs) 17:49, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I have moved the references to the article page, nobody will expect to see them on the talk page. As to your other comments, I'm afraid I don't understand what you are saying, sorry. Theroadislong (talk) 18:20, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

External link on the body of article (Lucent University)
Hi Theroadislong,

Thanks for taking your time to review my article.

I've removed all the external links from the body of the message.

Should I remove them from the External Links section too?

Thanks in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acirmandello (talk • contribs) 20:20, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I have removed two irrelevant ones, the article needs independent sources to establish notability unless it has been written about in independent published sources we cannot have an article about it. Theroadislong (talk) 20:30, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

— Preceding signed comment added by Theroadislong (talk • contribs) 20:30, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * May I submit the Draft for review again? There is no problem for me to have that links removed. Acirmandello (talk) 20:38, 7 May 2018
 * You can submit for review again, but it will be rejected again because it has no references. Theroadislong (talk) 20:41, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping me. I've added two references regarding the branding registration given by United States Patent and Trademark Office and the Letter of Exemption given by Florida Department of Education. Can you tell me if they are valid sources? Acirmandello (talk) 21:17, 7 May 2018

What references would be best for my article
Thanks for reviewing my article - I see what you mean about my references. Most of my information has come from books on the subject and a few documents of demolition records. Is it worth putting these books (with page references) on my references or must I find actual websites and online evidence. I am fascinated by the peerage system in Britain and would find it very satisfying for Wikipedia to have a complete encyclopaedia of all the peerage titles, (even the slightly obscure and unimpressive ones such as the Earldom of Deheubarth) so would greatly appreciate any advice you can give me.

Thanks!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TitusAndro (talk • contribs) 07:44, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Books are great references, sources don't have to be online, see WP:REFB for help with formatting. Theroadislong (talk) 08:04, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Tri-Valley Sikh center
Thanks for your help should I add more for this church pr should I resubmit it.??? Because Today I got clearance from the church for this information amd they appreciated your time and told If you need any additional information because this case was in news from 2014 and now their seems light as most of the people in area don’t know what exactly happened sp for that purpose and for the information about the chruch I had written this article.!

btw thank you so much for your help.! It matter Alot — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taransingh (talk • contribs) 23:50, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * We don't need clearance from the church? Wikipedia has no interest in what they might want to say, only what reliable sources say, which you have now added, I will let another reviewer take a look, thank you for the barnstar but I am not an admin. Theroadislong (talk) 08:07, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Marc di Saverio
Can you help me to write a bio with me? I think it is important, and i can prove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leoparid 3000 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Your draft has no sources. Articles on Wikipedia must be adequately supported by reliable sources so that information can be verified.

We only summarise what reliable, independent published sources have to say about a subject.If there are no such sources then we cannot have an article.

Draft:Jamie Langton
Hi- am totally confused? This was submitted to Wiki previous (under British TV producers/directors) with changes requested to comply with guidelines. Also, I'm sorry if you feel I haven't done enough to qualify being included, but if after 30 years of being responsible for some of the UK's top TV shows and talent, then I'm not sure what does. I've noticed under Educating Essex the director was logged as David clews, please be aware I was the gallery director of this show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:3601:5800:A0B4:145:9852:5F96 (talk) 11:44, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but I have no idea what you are referring to. Your edit history only shows this one edit. Can you tell me what article you are working on? Theroadislong (talk) 11:54, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I believe he's referring to Draft:Jamie Langton, which I declined earlier. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 18:53, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Maui Wowee
hi can you check my draft if its ok? thanks :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuyaphong (talk • contribs) 10:54, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I hope you're not ignoring message I need you guys to check my draft Draft:Maui Wowee :(
 * We are all volunteers here, constant badgering will win no favours, please be patient, your draft is poorly written with only two low quality sources. Theroadislong (talk) 12:44, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Sockpuppet_investigations/Raymondskie99 Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 19:12, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, people! I thought Maui Wowie was a kind of grass? – it was in the 60s (yes, I know, if you can remember the 60s you weren't there!). I've speedy-nominated the draft as G12, unambiguous copyright violation. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:54, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Citation needed for Livermore Gurdware?
So what to add more.! In reference there is everything what can else I post.?? Can u tell me.?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taransingh (talk • contribs) 12:56, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Resubmission
I have make a few edits and resubmitted the draft: SerenataFlowers.com. I would be grateful if you would please review it and inform me of any more issue with the page. If there is, your help would be highly appreciated. Thank you. Jamesreadings (talk) 15:26, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Resubmission: Bret Weinstein
I've resubmitted this article that was initially rejected for not demonstrating the requisite notability of the subject. Since that rejection, Weinstein's notoriety in third-party outlets (like NYT) has increased dramatically and the article now reflects that fact. Let me know. Lukacris (talk) 18:17, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

SerenataFlowers.com draft page
Hello, I have searched within Wikipedia for articles of the requested awards, and could find none. What about if I delete the awards section, would the article have any chance of being published? Thank you. Best regards, Jamesreadings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesreadings (talk • contribs) 18:02, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

SerenataFlowers.com
Hello, I have searched within Wikipedia for articles of the requested awards, and could find none. What about if I delete the awards section, would the article have any chance of being published? Thank you. Best regards, Jamesreadings. Jamesreadings (talk) 02:11, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * But how would that make the website notable? Theroadislong (talk) 06:29, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Are you talking about the website or the awards? Jamesreadings (talk) 12:26, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * If the website SerenataFlowers.com had received notable awards then it might help the draft pass WP:GNG at the moment there is no indication of why it is notable enough for an article. Theroadislong (talk) 12:32, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

re poss delete terence hogan
It was kind of you to let me know this is being discussed. I put up the page years ago. I recently came back to it to upload pictures. I wanted the page to say that crime does not pay. The page was edited by someone very kind. The photographs were deleted, that is fine. I am not amending or asking to add photos to this article anymore. I have a number of citations I have put in. I am so new to this that I am lost. I am so sorry to write to you but I cant understand why this is happening. I thought wiki was a family of kind people willing to help. It is all very upsetting and I do not know what to do? would you mind giving me your thoughtd kareenzKareenza (talk) 09:39, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Articles on Wikipedia must be adequately supported by reliable sources so that information can be verified.

We only summarise what reliable, independent published sources have to say about a subject. If there are no such sources then we cannot have an article. It is possible that your father is notable enough for an article, but at present the sources don't support this adequately. I don't know anything about the problem with photographs. Theroadislong (talk) 09:45, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Clive Wilkins
Hi there Theroadislong,

Maybe this is the time the Clive Wilkins entry needs to be revised and seriously updated with more recent info. It has, as you have no doubt spotted, been some years since it was last looked at. Your comments suggest that the article needs references. How should references be added to the text? Please respond to explain and maybe give examples. I will update the entry and add verifiable references in the text and hope that moves the article in the right direction. If however the method of present of said info is incorrect please inform me and I will endeavour to change things to suit. With a bit of luck I might be able to work out how to add photos too. Best wishes

Jean Scott Thomson (talk) 10:41, 14 May 2018 (UTC)Jean Scott Thomson.
 * Please read WP:REFB for help with referencing. I have had a quick look but can find no independent sources that mention him in depth. It will be deleted if you cannot find any. I was at college with him back in 1972 so would like his article to stay if possible! Theroadislong (talk) 11:02, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Clive Wilkins Artist and author
Hi there Theroadislong, You know sorting reference (for fear of losing the entry) on the wikipedia entry for Clive Wilkins, artist is not easy. Can you look over the changes I have made and see what you think? Feel free to tidy the entry up if you can. or alternatively give me some clues as to how this works.

Please don't delete the entry after 7 days as you suggest. It can be worked on to be improved. Best wishes Jean Scott Thomson (talk) 13:56, 14 May 2018 (UTC)Jean Scott Thomson
 * I am not an admin so cannot delete the article but if it was sent to articles for deletion WP:AFD it would certainly be deleted as it is in a terrible state, the only working reference is a mirror (copy of Wikipedia) so isn't valid, the other external links you have added are primary sources. Articles on Wikipedia must be adequately supported by reliable sources so that information can be verified. We only summarise what reliable, independent published sources have to say about a subject. If there are no such sources then we cannot have an article. Do you have a connection with Wilkins by any chance? Theroadislong (talk) 14:48, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Clive Wilkins
Dear Theroadislong, Clive wonders who you might be if, as you say, you were on a foundation course together. Did you know each other well? Indeed, might you come to our aid and help salvage this Wikipedia page? I am sure we would be most happy to meet up to get this working properly. Are the references to research papers published as part of 'The Captured Thought' not viable then? This is work published and endorsed by an independent organisation,'The Royal Society' no less as well, as other notable scientific magazines, and indeed the providence to do this work came out of Clive's experience in both painting and writing as well as his position as artist in residence in the department of Psychology at Cambridge University. The opportunity to speak at the Hay Festival on two occasions is likewise an independant accolade that suggests some work of worth. Could you give some clue as to what is required here to make this work? Not being a regular contributor to Wikipedia results in all this seeming a little foreign and difficult to navigate I am afraid. Is there any way of having a page set up for us professionally in order to get this working efficiently?

Best wishes Jean Scott Thomson (talk) 16:16, 14 May 2018 (UTC)Jean Scott Thomson
 * As I have a conflict of interest in that I went to college with him, it would be inappropriate for me to edit the article. Professional paid editing is VERY much frowned upon also. You should declare your conflict of interest on your user page and on the article's talk page too. Other editors are now editing and I have faith that if Clive is notable then the article will be cleaned up, revised and hopefully kept. All good wishes. 16:42, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Clive Wilkins
Hi The road is long, indeed it is!! phew. Please have a look and tell me if the changes that have been made comply. This is very difficult and complex it seems~ at least it is for someone who has no idea what they are doing~ that's me of course! best wishes Jean Scott Thomson (talk) 17:29, 14 May 2018 (UTC)Jean Scott Thomson
 * I'm afraid it is not improving, I would strongly suggest you stop editing the article and allow other neutral editors to take a look. Theroadislong (talk) 18:39, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Clive Wilkins has been deleted
Oh well... it’s not life threatening. Sorry we couldn’t fix it.

It’s all probably for the best... it all seemed just too complicated.

Get in touch if you feel you could help. You would be welcome to.

zapikfutura@hotmail.com

Best wishes

Jean Scott Thomson (talk) 22:47, 14 May 2018 (UTC) Jean Scott Thomson

05:03:58, 17 May 2018 review of submission by 199.83.223.77
Thank you for reviewing this draft article and providing your feedback. I have made edits to incorporate additional sources based on this input. Please let me know if you have any further suggestions.

199.83.223.77 (talk) 05:03, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

please help me
from where should i collect resources? for Seerat Alam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Celebritycheckk (talk • contribs) 16:17, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid after a quick search I can find no reliable sources either. Are there any magazine or newspaper articles that review her? Wikipedia requires there to be in-depth coverage in reliable, independent published sources. We have no interest in what she says about herself and if there are no reliable sources about her then we cannot have an article. Theroadislong (talk) 16:21, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

terence hogan
hello I think most of my article has been deleted now including the photograph. I dont understand why someone would be this cruel to do this. I cited everything and the original article has been online since 2011. I am new to wiki and some people just are not giving me a chance. I think the article is not on a deletion list but someone has more or less pulled every thin from it so it is a skeleton. Why would anyone do that, osh it is so upsetting and it is personal as someone obviously does not like me kareenzaKareenza (talk) 18:38, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * PLEASE don't take this personally! All Wikipedia article require citations for ALL content that is included, the content as written was not correctly sourced but it can all be added back as long as there are suitable sources. I would strongly advice you not to edit it and trust the community to create a worthwhile article it will happen I assure you. Theroadislong (talk) 18:42, 13 May 2018 (UTC)


 * You are very kind yes I have taken it personally as I am so new and I put in complete citations inc isbn and publisher etc of everything. Youtube link to the bbc which had researchers to check all facts. I detailed every book he has been in. so I am not sure why these citations were not looked at there were four, but prob not correctly put in. Anyway I will take your kind valuable advice and hope maybe someone will help create a better article but I have a feeling it will be forgotten which would be a shame as I try and use it to tell people crime does not pay. I had an awful childhood, always on the run and then stuck in boarding school so I never glamourise crime. But here I am moaning, forgive me and thank you again for your hopeful words to me kareenzaKareenza (talk) 18:59, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Please read RIGHTGREATWRONGS that is not what Wikipedia can be used for, we also cannot use content sourced to The Daily Mail or Youtube as they are not considered reliable sources I'm afraid. All good wishes, I am working on the article. Theroadislong (talk) 19:03, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Btw the Guardian newspaper has emailed me a copy of Terence Hogans obituary which I can send if that helps re verification? kareenzaKareenza (talk) 11:32, 14 May 2018 (UTC) wow thank you, i have all the books here that he has been in and rare photos used in the article which is copyrighted to me but look thank you again and I will try and get some sleep and stop worrying! Very very best wishes kareenzaKareenza (talk) 19:09, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The books would be excellent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 19:12, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, TRIL - I was actually in the middle of citing sources right about the time you removed a bulk of the article. I saved it, and was wondering if you'd be okay with me replacing what you've done and adding back what I did before the edit conflict, and then you can go back in and delete or fix as needed? Atsme 📞📧 19:17, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The previous content was not neutral in tone and not sourced please feel free to add your content now as long as it is sourced. Theroadislong (talk) 19:21, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I know - I was in the middle of working on it - I added some sources, but it needs more work. The user who has been working on it has a COI and should not edit any of it. Atsme 📞📧 19:32, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Please note...Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source. You have restored unsourced content. Theroadislong (talk) 20:01, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Theroadislong The Guardian newspaper has just sent me a copy of Terence Hogans obituary if that helps for verification as it includes all his crimes and home life. kareenzaKareenza (talk) 11:34, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

I think I read something about u having worked on an some of the article and it had been taken out, I thought you meant mine, so I am sorry I must have got mixed up as am new and back and forth with helpers. I am near the end. I am doing what I have been asked to do. I have said where I stood when taking the picture on the beach with a kodak timer camera. i have asked my elderly step mum to sign a release form even though my birthday present long ago from her was a family album of all our pics. All the google images which are from the article I wrote are in question but the DM has now sent me an email confirming I have the copyright so it has not been very easy but I hope I am nearly there. I would like to show dads wife before she passses that he had his page as a memorial if that happens. Best wishes, thank you for all your patient understanding kareenza Kareenza (talk) 21:43, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * When you edit talk pages please take care not to delete content. I have removed Terence Hogan from my watchlist all my edits were reversed, please address your comments to User:Atsme. Theroadislong (talk) 08:08, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize I deleted content and I'm not sure to what TP you're referring - please provide a diff so I can see what happened and whether or not I need to fix something.  please discuss the obit on the TP of Terence Hogan - I have been unable to find a copy of it anywhere. Atsme 📞📧 13:57, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Your edit here removed 11 of my edits. Kareenza has removed content from my talk page when she has replied possibly inadvertently. As I say though, I have removed the article from my watchlist so do what you wish. Theroadislong (talk) 15:30, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * For the sake of clarity, and what you obviously appear to have trouble understanding is:
 * On May 13, 2018 the only thing remaining in that article when you nominated it for deletion is evidenced here which I will describe as a WP:STUB
 * On May 13, 2018 I started adding sources and added back all the material that you deleted here.
 * On May 13, 2018 You reverted everything I added back and in your edit summary stated (Reverted good faith edits by Atsme (talk): Pleasedo not revert large number of edits I have made it is disruptive. (TW))
 * On May 13, 2018 I reverted your disruptive revert of the material while I was trying to improve the article.
 * On May 13, 2018 Your disruptive removal of content continued while I was working to find sources for the material - I explained it in the edit summary We don't remove info that isn't cited, we tag it. I'm working on this. (TW)) (undo) (Tag: Undo) and added the under construction and in use tags.
 * On May 14, 2018 - the very next day I took a break from source searching, and you removed the under construction tag and started removing material yet again.
 * On May 16, 2018 - when I was able to return to the article, I replaced the under construction tag and some of the edits you again removed, and went back to work finding sources after you tag bombed the article which was highly disruptive.
 * I'm not going to include all the diffs for discussions on the TP and here on your TP but you really need to understand why your edits were not helpful. To begin, while Verifiability policy says it's ok to remove unsourced material, it also states: Whether and how quickly material should be initially removed for not having an inline citation to a reliable source depends on the material and the overall state of the article. We actually have WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles so instead of responding to cn issues as would a deletionist, it may prove more beneficial to the project if you responded more along the lines of an inclusionist, and help find sources. Anyway, our V policy is why I added the under construction tag, and left the citations needed tag in the header. I believe the sources exist, such as Daily Express 28/11/62, pg 3, The Guardian articles that published the events in the 1960s, and obit that I've been unable to locate. I'm going to try to get access at WP:RX but it makes my research more difficult when you keep deleting the material, so please stop doing that. The article is not a BLP so there is no concern about BLP vio.  I recently initiated a survey at RS/N regarding the use of The Daily Mail, and some of the results lead me to believe there are parts of that article that can be used. Be patient - I'm working one-eyed after surgery so it's taking me a bit longer than usual to read and research. Atsme 📞📧 17:14, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * After 10 years of tireless editing, with more than 90,000 edits, an exemplary record and even a Barnstar from Jimmy Wales, it is very hurtful to be labeled disruptive.  I will avoid any articles you are working on in future including Terence Hogan. Theroadislong (talk) 18:45, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * If that's all you took away from our discussion, then I'm done here, especially in light of the fact that you were the first to hang the "disruptive" label on me as evidenced by your fallacious edit  summary, despite the fact that I was trying to save the article by adding citations and RS supported content. Congratulations on your barnstars and exemplary record. Happy editing for another 10 years.  Atsme 📞📧 21:00, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Re User talk:Edwardadoyle
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 17:13, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, my bad! Thanks for letting me know :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PrivateEquityFan212 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 18 May 2018 (UTC)